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Post by NightSymphony on Aug 22, 2016 20:42:53 GMT
It's hard not to be sad when you think of Solas.
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Post by patriciachr34 on Aug 22, 2016 20:46:27 GMT
I have a question for those of you in the Blanket Fort. Have any of you translated what the Nightmare Demon says to Solas in the Fade at Adamant? I am very curious. The DA Wiki says: "Have you learned, trickster? That was no victory. Your pride will be your death." Oooo...This begs the question, if you are a Dalish elf wouldn't you know the translation, and why was there no after Adamant dialog regarding this? I have gotten this far in my Dalsih elf mage Cullen Romance, but not in my Solacemance. So, I do not know if there is extra "romance" dialog when you get back to the keep.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2016 20:47:13 GMT
The Dalish only have a limited knowledge of the elven language, so you have to assume that Lavellan would not be able to translate that quickly, even if they knew how to.
You are right about the Dalish reaction to anyone approaching them in the Fade, let alone someone claiming to be Fen'Harel. They are wary of spirits and regard them all as dangerous, which is a pity considering what a good relationship their ancestors had with spirits. However, this could be to do with the fact that their gods are no longer in control of the Beyond (Fade). According to their beliefs Fen'Harel now patrols this feeding on the souls of the dead.
I think Solas' main criticism of them though is their dedication to the Creators, trying to preserve incomplete lore and refusing to listen when anyone tries to enlighten them. I think he was a bit unfair to those clans he approached though. When he turns up with no vallaslin, claiming to be a simple apostate, naturally they are going to see him as a city elf. Then if he tried to correct their view of their gods, naturally they would think he was an Andrastrian city elf criticising their culture. With around 1800 years of people trying to eradicate their culture and beliefs, they are going to be a bit sensitive about the issue.
Really I feel if he or any of his followers had wanted to help the ordinary elves after the Veil have an accurate view of history, they should have stuck around instead of taking a nap. As it is, it would seem that some followers of the Evanuris probably did stay awake and reproduce and it is their descendants that make up the majority of modern elves; hence the pro-Evanuris, anti-Fen'Harel viewpoint.
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Post by ellawyn on Aug 22, 2016 21:59:46 GMT
The Dalish only have a limited knowledge of the elven language, so you have to assume that Lavellan would not be able to translate that quickly, even if they knew how to.
You are right about the Dalish reaction to anyone approaching them in the Fade, let alone someone claiming to be Fen'Harel. They are wary of spirits and regard them all as dangerous, which is a pity considering what a good relationship their ancestors had with spirits. However, this could be to do with the fact that their gods are no longer in control of the Beyond (Fade). According to their beliefs Fen'Harel now patrols this feeding on the souls of the dead.
I think Solas' main criticism of them though is their dedication to the Creators, trying to preserve incomplete lore and refusing to listen when anyone tries to enlighten them. I think he was a bit unfair to those clans he approached though. When he turns up with no vallaslin, claiming to be a simple apostate, naturally they are going to see him as a city elf. Then if he tried to correct their view of their gods, naturally they would think he was an Andrastrian city elf criticising their culture. With around 1800 years of people trying to eradicate their culture and beliefs, they are going to be a bit sensitive about the issue.
Really I feel if he or any of his followers had wanted to help the ordinary elves after the Veil have an accurate view of history, they should have stuck around instead of taking a nap. As it is, it would seem that some followers of the Evanuris probably did stay awake and reproduce and it is their descendants that make up the majority of modern elves; hence the pro-Evanuris, anti-Fen'Harel viewpoint. I imagine the Dalish worshipping the Creators is also a big factor too. He's probably not too happy that they not only mangle his history and culture, but villainize him for his sacrifices and struggles while deifying the people who would've killed and enslaved them. But on the subject of hanging around - I don't think Solas himself could've done that. I mean, he globally altered the fabric of reality, something he still hasn't recovered from after thousands of years of sleeping. He probably couldn't physically be awake for some time after that. His followers could've done it. I'm sure some of them tried - they didn't just disappear after all, and Solas appears to be the only one who dropped straight off to sleep. But they were probably outnumbered, and with the combination of people pissed at Fen'Harel for the Veil + Evanuris propaganda against him which was probably rediscovered later, it was a PR war they simply lost. History eventually turned against them, but that doesn't mean they didn't make the attempt. Sometimes the good guys really do just lose.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Aug 22, 2016 23:19:10 GMT
Not to be totally off-topic but are any of you who also went to the RDA forum having trouble with the site? I have it bookmarked but when I go to it, the page tells me I have been banned from the forum. I have no idea what I could have done to earn a ban, so I'm wondering if maybe the site itself is having trouble? I was on for a minute yesterday with no trouble but didn't have time to post anything before I had to log off again.
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Post by Amburu on Aug 22, 2016 23:39:48 GMT
Not to be totally off-topic but are any of you who also went to the RDA forum having trouble with the site? I have it bookmarked but when I go to it, the page tells me I have been banned from the forum. I have no idea what I could have done to earn a ban, so I'm wondering if maybe the site itself is having trouble? I was on for a minute yesterday with no trouble but didn't have time to post anything before I had to log off again. If you meant RDF I am not experiencing any trouble at the moment but I recall there have already been issues there. Got fixed by itself after a few hours.
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Post by Elessara on Aug 22, 2016 23:44:27 GMT
Not to be totally off-topic but are any of you who also went to the RDA forum having trouble with the site? I have it bookmarked but when I go to it, the page tells me I have been banned from the forum. I have no idea what I could have done to earn a ban, so I'm wondering if maybe the site itself is having trouble? I was on for a minute yesterday with no trouble but didn't have time to post anything before I had to log off again. I logged in just now without a problem, so not sure. =\
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 23, 2016 0:06:55 GMT
I'm also able to access RDF without a problem. For those of you who love to write, they are trying to get an in-forum Dragon Age roleplaying thread going. I can't commit to it but I thought I'd mention it in case it would be something fun for any of you.
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Post by Nimlowyn on Aug 23, 2016 1:12:10 GMT
I'm also able to access RDF without a problem. For those of you who love to write, they are trying to get an in-forum Dragon Age roleplaying thread going. I can't commit to it but I thought I'd mention it in case it would be something fun for any of you. I'm playing, it's fun! And it gets my mind off Solas...for a little while.
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Post by CapricornSun on Aug 23, 2016 4:10:11 GMT
Blzemofiqzmljkzehmlwhmlq spent the day on this artwork idea i had since last week, but I had to finish reading a long long long story beforehand ! ... I've just realised it was supposed to be cute heartwarming and it turned out angsty. WHY Sometime before tresp PostOmg, this is absolutely gorgeous Amburu! And yes, it's hard to escape the angst when it comes to Solavellan.
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Post by R2s Muse on Aug 23, 2016 10:45:57 GMT
Hello everyone! Just wanted to stop in and say hello to the old neighbors. We've just moved the Cullen thread over here, but with a new mandate of broader discussion, not just Cullen. Feel free to drop by The Old Guard, just a few doors down!
I'm really glad we have a spot to continue, and I look forward to your Solas-ian speculations as the frenzy ramps up for DA4 (some day!). :waves:
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Post by illyria on Aug 23, 2016 10:54:06 GMT
*wanders into the thread after being on holiday*
'sup nerds. Did I miss anything good?
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Post by Nevara on Aug 23, 2016 11:12:25 GMT
*finds trampled blankets. Fluffs them and plops down* Ugh. So nice. *smiles at the clan with a wave* How's everyone doing?
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Post by illyria on Aug 23, 2016 11:25:24 GMT
*finds trampled blankets. Fluffs them and plops down* Ugh. So nice. *smiles at the clan with a wave* How's everyone doing? I'm good. It's been a long trek to our new home. Glad to see so many made it.
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Post by Nevara on Aug 23, 2016 11:28:20 GMT
*finds trampled blankets. Fluffs them and plops down* Ugh. So nice. *smiles at the clan with a wave* How's everyone doing? I'm good. It's been a long trek to our new home. Glad to see so many made it. That's great to hear. Me too. Still a newb to the Solas lovins. (That burning love... moths... flames... masochists) But still another playthrough is keeping me busy before surgery.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 14:56:09 GMT
*wanders into the thread after being on holiday* 'sup nerds. Did I miss anything good? Not much, there's a little tumblr drama, but that's to be expected. How was your holiday?
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Post by CapricornSun on Aug 23, 2016 15:53:00 GMT
*wanders into the thread after being on holiday* 'sup nerds. Did I miss anything good? Not much, there's a little tumblr drama, but that's to be expected. How was your holiday? Tumblr drama? Uh oh, what is it about this time?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 16:35:19 GMT
Not much, there's a little tumblr drama, but that's to be expected. How was your holiday? Tumblr drama? Uh oh, what is it about this time? Cut for tender eyes: You probably saw it in the tags. A Solavellan author Gorillainthemist, writer of "Yes, Fen'Harel" got called out for writing "50 Shades of Grey"-style BDSM in their fic, by someone who is a BDSM practitioner. Apparently, it is unsafe and unhealthy to spread badly-researched porn to people who are dumb and think fanfiction is a useful tool for learning about that particular hobby/lifestyle. To me, it's infantilizing to be told you don't know how to handle your trashy romance habit, and cannot make informed choices without tons of research into something that, which, at least for me is just entertainment. Then again, I am in a stable monogamous relationship with little to no interest in BDSM at all, other than some light femdom in fanfic. I can see that practitioners of it might not want to see their kink portrayed poorly and unsafely, and abusive partners romanticized, but I have to wonder if they even approached the author and talked to them before castigating them and their work publicly like that. I don't particularly care for the fic myself, since their Solas is really, really skeevy and unlikable in it and Cullen is given a lobotomy. It seems really cruel and unnecessary to call them out, at least to me. I just do not care for the way the tumblr fandom police operate. At least serve them a warrant.
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Post by CapricornSun on Aug 23, 2016 16:52:20 GMT
Tumblr drama? Uh oh, what is it about this time? Cut for tender eyes: You probably saw it in the tags. A Solavellan author Gorillainthemist, writer of "Yes, Fen'Harel" got called out for writing "50 Shades of Grey"-style BDSM in their fic, by someone who is a BDSM practitioner. Apparently, it is unsafe and unhealthy to spread badly-researched porn to people who are dumb and think fanfiction is a useful tool for learning about that particular hobby/lifestyle. To me, it's infantilizing to be told you don't know how to handle your trashy romance habit, and cannot make informed choices without tons of research into something that, which, at least for me is just entertainment. Then again, I am in a stable monogamous relationship with little to no interest in BDSM at all, other than some light femdom in fanfic. I can see that practitioners of it might not want to see their kink portrayed poorly and unsafely, and abusive partners romanticized, but I have to wonder if they even approached the author and talked to them before castigating them and their work publicly like that. I don't particularly care for the fic myself, since their Solas is really, really skeevy and unlikable in it and Cullen is given a lobotomy. It seems really cruel and unnecessary to call them out, at least to me. I just do not care for the way the tumblr fandom police operate. At least serve them a warrant. Awww really?! That sucks. I saw a tumblr post reblogged by a DAI/Solavellan author I follow on Tumblr on BDSM and I was wondering if it was pertaining to a certain Solavellan fic, and gosh it makes me sad to hear that they were talking about Gorillainthemist's fic. I love reading Yes, Fen'Harel and Gorillainthemist is such a nice person. And I love reading their stories too, but yeah they occasionally make or reblogs posts that make me feel bad because they're sometimes on things I enjoy. (Like Yes, Fen'Harel) And at one point, they even made a post (but it's now deleted) on how garbage Sarah J. Maas' book A Court of Thorns and Roses was because it romanticized "abusive" romances. I haven't finished reading it, but I'm enjoying it so far... I guess their opinions on it and Yes, Fen'Harel shouldn't really matter to me if I like them or not? (Their posts still made me feel like crap for liking them though.... )
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 23, 2016 16:56:45 GMT
Cut for tender eyes: You probably saw it in the tags. A Solavellan author Gorillainthemist, writer of "Yes, Fen'Harel" got called out for writing "50 Shades of Grey"-style BDSM in their fic, by someone who is a BDSM practitioner. Apparently, it is unsafe and unhealthy to spread badly-researched porn to people who are dumb and think fanfiction is a useful tool for learning about that particular hobby/lifestyle. To me, it's infantilizing to be told you don't know how to handle your trashy romance habit, and cannot make informed choices without tons of research into something that, which, at least for me is just entertainment. Then again, I am in a stable monogamous relationship with little to no interest in BDSM at all, other than some light femdom in fanfic. I can see that practitioners of it might not want to see their kink portrayed poorly and unsafely, and abusive partners romanticized, but I have to wonder if they even approached the author and talked to them before castigating them and their work publicly like that. I don't particularly care for the fic myself, since their Solas is really, really skeevy and unlikable in it and Cullen is given a lobotomy. It seems really cruel and unnecessary to call them out, at least to me. I just do not care for the way the tumblr fandom police operate. At least serve them a warrant. Awww really?! That sucks. I saw a tumblr post Anachromystic on BDSM and I was wondering if it was pertaining to a certain Solavellan fic, and gosh it makes me sad to hear that she was talking about Gorillainthemist's fic. I love reading Yes, Fen'Harel and Gorillainthemist is such a nice person. And I love reading Anachromystic's stories too, but yeah she occasionally makes posts that make me feel bad because they're sometimes on things I enjoy. (Like Yes, Fen'Harel) And at one point, she even made a post on how garbage Sarah J. Maas' book A Court of Thorns and Roses was because it romanticized "abusive" romances. I haven't finished reading it, but I'm enjoying it so far... I guess her opinions on it and Yes, Fen'Harel shouldn't really matter to me if I like them or not? (Her posts still made me feel like crap for liking them though.... ) You can always have disagreements on things. Different strokes and all that.
Now, if she's actively *trying* to make you feel like crap, that's another deal. Those who matter, don't mind; those who mind, don't matter, Capricorn.
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Post by CapricornSun on Aug 23, 2016 17:13:32 GMT
Awww really?! That sucks. I saw a tumblr post Anachromystic on BDSM and I was wondering if it was pertaining to a certain Solavellan fic, and gosh it makes me sad to hear that she was talking about Gorillainthemist's fic. I love reading Yes, Fen'Harel and Gorillainthemist is such a nice person. And I love reading Anachromystic's stories too, but yeah she occasionally makes posts that make me feel bad because they're sometimes on things I enjoy. (Like Yes, Fen'Harel) And at one point, she even made a post on how garbage Sarah J. Maas' book A Court of Thorns and Roses was because it romanticized "abusive" romances. I haven't finished reading it, but I'm enjoying it so far... I guess her opinions on it and Yes, Fen'Harel shouldn't really matter to me if I like them or not? (Her posts still made me feel like crap for liking them though.... ) You can always have disagreements on things. Different strokes and all that.
Now, if she's actively *trying* to make you feel like crap, that's another deal. Those who matter, don't mind; those who mind, don't matter, Capricorn. Yes, I know. *sigh* It's just an awful feeling knowing that an author who writes stories I enjoy reading is calling out another author whose works I also enjoy reading, and also recently made a post on how a book you've enjoyed reading is apparently trash and threw it in the garbage can. Like... OUCH! And yes, I'm aware... Opinions and stuff but gosh, they do know how to make people feel dumb for liking what they like.
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Post by Amburu on Aug 23, 2016 17:22:13 GMT
I'm good. It's been a long trek to our new home. Glad to see so many made it. That's great to hear. Me too. Still a newb to the Solas lovins. (That burning love... moths... flames... masochists) But still another playthrough is keeping me busy before surgery. I'm screwed I'm starting to struggle to remember irl people's names... My brain thinks it's ok to just put "Solas" everywhere ! Edit : Top of page ! Needs a pic, right ? Let's see Ok I love this one. Cutest™ And thanks for the compliments ♥
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