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Post by Nevara on Aug 23, 2016 17:25:39 GMT
That's great to hear. Me too. Still a newb to the Solas lovins. (That burning love... moths... flames... masochists) But still another playthrough is keeping me busy before surgery. I'm screwed I'm starting to struggle to remember irl people's names... My brain thinks it's ok to just put "Solas" everywhere ! But Solas is everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 17:31:21 GMT
Cut for tender eyes: You probably saw it in the tags. A Solavellan author Gorillainthemist, writer of "Yes, Fen'Harel" got called out for writing "50 Shades of Grey"-style BDSM in their fic, by someone who is a BDSM practitioner. Apparently, it is unsafe and unhealthy to spread badly-researched porn to people who are dumb and think fanfiction is a useful tool for learning about that particular hobby/lifestyle. To me, it's infantilizing to be told you don't know how to handle your trashy romance habit, and cannot make informed choices without tons of research into something that, which, at least for me is just entertainment. Then again, I am in a stable monogamous relationship with little to no interest in BDSM at all, other than some light femdom in fanfic. I can see that practitioners of it might not want to see their kink portrayed poorly and unsafely, and abusive partners romanticized, but I have to wonder if they even approached the author and talked to them before castigating them and their work publicly like that. I don't particularly care for the fic myself, since their Solas is really, really skeevy and unlikable in it and Cullen is given a lobotomy. It seems really cruel and unnecessary to call them out, at least to me. I just do not care for the way the tumblr fandom police operate. At least serve them a warrant. Awww really?! That sucks. I saw a tumblr post by Anachromystic on BDSM and I was wondering if it was pertaining to a certain Solavellan fic, and gosh it makes me sad to hear that she was talking about Gorillainthemist's fic. I love reading Yes, Fen'Harel and Gorillainthemist is such a nice person. And I love reading Anachromystic's stories too, but yeah she occasionally makes posts that make me feel bad because they're sometimes on things I enjoy. (Like Yes, Fen'Harel) And at one point, she even made a post (but it's now deleted) on how garbage Sarah J. Maas' book A Court of Thorns and Roses was because it romanticized "abusive" romances. I haven't finished reading it, but I'm enjoying it so far... I guess her opinions on it and Yes, Fen'Harel shouldn't really matter to me if I like them or not? (Her posts still made me feel like crap for liking them though.... ) Any time there's a call-out on tumblr, I feel like there's an agenda behind it. Sometimes it's jealousy, sometimes it's "protect the childrens"(despite tumblr being full of unambiguously hardcore pornographic images), sometimes its cultural or generational differences, sometimes it's actual harmful racism, bigotry, or abuse. If readers want a certain type of tropey romance fic, though, authors are going to write it, end of story. I just wonder why they decided to do this now, instead of months ago as the fic isn't exactly new. As far as abusive portrayals in fanfic, Solavellan gets it particularly bad, I think, because Solas, by the end of the game, is an unambiguous antagonist whether you love him or not. It's easy to end up slotting him into a lot of abusive, yet popular alphahole het romance protagonist stereotypes. I don't think you should feel bad about liking the fic, Sunny. Even if it's not a portrayal of a healthy relationship, what I read of it had a coherent narrative that pulls the reader along. Sadly, it's hard to find consistently updated longfic for Solavellan that doesn't get bogged down with side plots or OCs.
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Post by CapricornSun on Aug 23, 2016 17:52:22 GMT
Awww really?! That sucks. I saw tumblr post reblogged by a DAI/Solavellan author I follow on Tumblr on BDSM and I was wondering if it was pertaining to a certain Solavellan fic, and gosh it makes me sad to hear that they were talking about Gorillainthemist's fic. I love reading Yes, Fen'Harel and Gorillainthemist is such a nice person. And I love reading their stories too, but yeah they occasionally makes posts that make me feel bad because they're sometimes on things I enjoy. (Like Yes, Fen'Harel) And at one point, they even made a post (but it's now deleted) on how garbage Sarah J. Maas' book A Court of Thorns and Roses was because it romanticized "abusive" romances. I haven't finished reading it, but I'm enjoying it so far... I guess their opinions on it and Yes, Fen'Harel shouldn't really matter to me if I like them or not? (Their posts still made me feel like crap for liking them though.... ) Any time there's a call-out on tumblr, I feel like there's an agenda behind it. Sometimes it's jealousy, sometimes it's "protect the childrens"(despite tumblr being full of unambiguously hardcore pornographic images), sometimes its cultural or generational differences, sometimes it's actual harmful racism, bigotry, or abuse. If readers want a certain type of tropey romance fic, though, authors are going to write it, end of story. I just wonder why they decided to do this now, instead of months ago as the fic isn't exactly new. As far as abusive portrayals in fanfic, Solavellan gets it particularly bad, I think, because Solas, by the end of the game, is an unambiguous antagonist whether you love him or not. It's easy to end up slotting him into a lot of abusive, yet popular alphahole het romance protagonist stereotypes. I don't think you should feel bad about liking the fic, Sunny. Even if it's not a portrayal of a healthy relationship, what I read of it had a coherent narrative that pulls the reader along. Sadly, it's hard to find consistently updated longfic for Solavellan that doesn't get bogged down with side plots or OCs. Yeah, I wonder too. (I do laugh at the "protect the children" reason because welcome to the internet! xD) And yes, I wonder why they decided go after that fic now? Maybe they just discovered it existed and thought it is their duty to correct the public about it? *shrugs* (Or yeah, maybe jealousy also played a part?) And thanks. I do like the fic for narrative reasons besides the smut, and it does have sweet parts in the fic too. And even if the BDSM there may not be 100% correctly portrayed, it did intrigue me to the culture behind it.
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Post by ellawyn on Aug 23, 2016 18:02:47 GMT
Awww really?! That sucks. I saw a tumblr post by Anachromystic on BDSM and I was wondering if it was pertaining to a certain Solavellan fic, and gosh it makes me sad to hear that she was talking about Gorillainthemist's fic. I love reading Yes, Fen'Harel and Gorillainthemist is such a nice person. And I love reading Anachromystic's stories too, but yeah she occasionally makes posts that make me feel bad because they're sometimes on things I enjoy. (Like Yes, Fen'Harel) And at one point, she even made a post (but it's now deleted) on how garbage Sarah J. Maas' book A Court of Thorns and Roses was because it romanticized "abusive" romances. I haven't finished reading it, but I'm enjoying it so far... I guess her opinions on it and Yes, Fen'Harel shouldn't really matter to me if I like them or not? (Her posts still made me feel like crap for liking them though.... ) Any time there's a call-out on tumblr, I feel like there's an agenda behind it. Sometimes it's jealousy, sometimes it's "protect the childrens"(despite tumblr being full of unambiguously hardcore pornographic images), sometimes its cultural or generational differences, sometimes it's actual harmful racism, bigotry, or abuse. If readers want a certain type of tropey romance fic, though, authors are going to write it, end of story. I just wonder why they decided to do this now, instead of months ago as the fic isn't exactly new. As far as abusive portrayals in fanfic, Solavellan gets it particularly bad, I think, because Solas, by the end of the game, is an unambiguous antagonist whether you love him or not. It's easy to end up slotting him into a lot of abusive, yet popular alphahole het romance protagonist stereotypes. I don't think you should feel bad about liking the fic, Sunny. Even if it's not a portrayal of a healthy relationship, what I read of it had a coherent narrative that pulls the reader along. Sadly, it's hard to find consistently updated longfic for Solavellan that doesn't get bogged down with side plots or OCs. I feel like the tendency to twist Solas into that archetype isn't the fault of canon so much as it is the fault of one of the first popular Solavellan fanfics (I don't know if I'm allowed to name names, so I won't.) since it was written shortly after the game was made, updated frequently, and had a portrayal of Solas that, in my opinion, was not only ridiculously OOC but also pointlessly dark and dominant and "edgy." Unfortunately, due to that fic's popularity and early arrival, it appears to given a lot of other writers the idea that's what Solas is really like, even when canon clearly states otherwise.
Also she might have only recently discovered the fic.
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Post by CapricornSun on Aug 23, 2016 18:12:59 GMT
Cut for tender eyes: You probably saw it in the tags. A Solavellan author Gorillainthemist, writer of "Yes, Fen'Harel" got called out for writing "50 Shades of Grey"-style BDSM in their fic, by someone who is a BDSM practitioner. Apparently, it is unsafe and unhealthy to spread badly-researched porn to people who are dumb and think fanfiction is a useful tool for learning about that particular hobby/lifestyle. To me, it's infantilizing to be told you don't know how to handle your trashy romance habit, and cannot make informed choices without tons of research into something that, which, at least for me is just entertainment. Then again, I am in a stable monogamous relationship with little to no interest in BDSM at all, other than some light femdom in fanfic. I can see that practitioners of it might not want to see their kink portrayed poorly and unsafely, and abusive partners romanticized, but I have to wonder if they even approached the author and talked to them before castigating them and their work publicly like that. I don't particularly care for the fic myself, since their Solas is really, really skeevy and unlikable in it and Cullen is given a lobotomy. It seems really cruel and unnecessary to call them out, at least to me. I just do not care for the way the tumblr fandom police operate. At least serve them a warrant. Awww really?! That sucks. I saw a tumblr post reblogged by a DAI/Solavellan author I follow on Tumblr on BDSM and I was wondering if it was pertaining to a certain Solavellan fic, and gosh it makes me sad to hear that they were talking about Gorillainthemist's fic. I love reading Yes, Fen'Harel and Gorillainthemist is such a nice person. And I love reading their stories too, but yeah they occasionally make or reblogs posts that make me feel bad because they're sometimes on things I enjoy. (Like Yes, Fen'Harel) And at one point, they even made a post (but it's now deleted) on how garbage Sarah J. Maas' book A Court of Thorns and Roses was because it romanticized "abusive" romances. I haven't finished reading it, but I'm enjoying it so far... I guess their opinions on it and Yes, Fen'Harel shouldn't really matter to me if I like them or not? (Their posts still made me feel like crap for liking them though.... ) Quoting myself because I made corrections to my original reply. Removed the author's name because she only reblogged said BDSM post agreeing with it and didn't create the original post herself (because I'm dumb and assumed she wrote it) but yeah the rest of my post is the same.
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Post by NightSymphony on Aug 23, 2016 18:43:58 GMT
I'm screwed I'm starting to struggle to remember irl people's names... My brain thinks it's ok to just put "Solas" everywhere ! But Solas is everywhere. I made this when the game first came out. I feel like it's appropriate right now.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 23, 2016 18:49:48 GMT
Any time there's a call-out on tumblr, I feel like there's an agenda behind it. Sometimes it's jealousy, sometimes it's "protect the childrens"(despite tumblr being full of unambiguously hardcore pornographic images), sometimes its cultural or generational differences, sometimes it's actual harmful racism, bigotry, or abuse. If readers want a certain type of tropey romance fic, though, authors are going to write it, end of story. I just wonder why they decided to do this now, instead of months ago as the fic isn't exactly new. As far as abusive portrayals in fanfic, Solavellan gets it particularly bad, I think, because Solas, by the end of the game, is an unambiguous antagonist whether you love him or not. It's easy to end up slotting him into a lot of abusive, yet popular alphahole het romance protagonist stereotypes. I don't think you should feel bad about liking the fic, Sunny. Even if it's not a portrayal of a healthy relationship, what I read of it had a coherent narrative that pulls the reader along. Sadly, it's hard to find consistently updated longfic for Solavellan that doesn't get bogged down with side plots or OCs. Yeah, I wonder too. (I do laugh at the "protect the children" reason because welcome to the internet! xD) And yes, I wonder why they decided go after that fic now? Maybe they just discovered it existed and thought it is their duty to correct the public about it? *shrugs* (Or yeah, maybe jealousy also played a part?) And thanks. I do like the fic for narrative reasons besides the smut, and it does have sweet parts in the fic too. And even if the BDSM there may not be 100% correctly portrayed, it did intrigue me to the culture behind it. I think it's mostly coincidence. When she was asked if she read fic in question (she deleted that post later) she said that she didn't. I think she simply attacked the trope and people immediately thought about the popular fic that either uses the trope or something similar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 18:58:12 GMT
Any time there's a call-out on tumblr, I feel like there's an agenda behind it. Sometimes it's jealousy, sometimes it's "protect the childrens"(despite tumblr being full of unambiguously hardcore pornographic images), sometimes its cultural or generational differences, sometimes it's actual harmful racism, bigotry, or abuse. If readers want a certain type of tropey romance fic, though, authors are going to write it, end of story. I just wonder why they decided to do this now, instead of months ago as the fic isn't exactly new. As far as abusive portrayals in fanfic, Solavellan gets it particularly bad, I think, because Solas, by the end of the game, is an unambiguous antagonist whether you love him or not. It's easy to end up slotting him into a lot of abusive, yet popular alphahole het romance protagonist stereotypes. I don't think you should feel bad about liking the fic, Sunny. Even if it's not a portrayal of a healthy relationship, what I read of it had a coherent narrative that pulls the reader along. Sadly, it's hard to find consistently updated longfic for Solavellan that doesn't get bogged down with side plots or OCs. I feel like the tendency to twist Solas into that archetype isn't the fault of canon so much as it is the fault of one of the first popular Solavellan fanfics (I don't know if I'm allowed to name names, so I won't.) since it was written shortly after the game was made, updated frequently, and had a portrayal of Solas that, in my opinion, was not only ridiculously OOC but also pointlessly dark and dominant and "edgy." Unfortunately, due to that fic's popularity and early arrival, it appears to given a lot of other writers the idea that's what Solas is really like, even when canon clearly states otherwise.
Also she might have only recently discovered the fic. You can name names, I just prefer to spoiler them as I don't personally want to call anyone out, or pretend I'm giving nuanced criticism. I think I know what fic you're talking about, and it's still got the third most kudos for Solavellan on AO3, despite having wrapped up over a year ago.
I did read it to the end, as it updated consistently, and was full of over the-top-drama and I didn't find their Solas characterization offensive even if I thought it was OOC. I don't remember much about it except the bathing scene where I think Solas was being all edgy and was for lack of a better term "da'len-ing" Lavellan (which I hate in any fic I come across where there is a Solavellan romance). Also, there was one decent if slightly brutal sex-scene, and the self-insert Lavellan became obsessed with necromancy to the point where I wished she would shut up about it. Oh yeah, and there was some stuff where Solas got all jealous because Lavellan was banging a human at the end. That was hilarious.
I feel like any time an author tries to run with the jealousy angle with Solas it's terrible, because he doesn't get jealous, he gets disdainful (if your character is spending time with someone he doesn't approve of), or sad (because your character is happy and he knows he could never give them that, as he's all Byronic and stuff).
So basically, I enjoyed it for what it was, which is tropey OOC romantic fanfiction.
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Post by CapricornSun on Aug 23, 2016 19:40:55 GMT
I feel like the tendency to twist Solas into that archetype isn't the fault of canon so much as it is the fault of one of the first popular Solavellan fanfics (I don't know if I'm allowed to name names, so I won't.) since it was written shortly after the game was made, updated frequently, and had a portrayal of Solas that, in my opinion, was not only ridiculously OOC but also pointlessly dark and dominant and "edgy." Unfortunately, due to that fic's popularity and early arrival, it appears to given a lot of other writers the idea that's what Solas is really like, even when canon clearly states otherwise.
Also she might have only recently discovered the fic. You can name names, I just prefer to spoiler them as I don't personally want to call anyone out, or pretend I'm giving nuanced criticism. I think I know what fic you're talking about, and it's still got the third most kudos for Solavellan on AO3, despite having wrapped up over a year ago.
I did read it to the end, as it updated consistently, and was full of over the-top-drama and I didn't find their Solas characterization offensive even if I thought it was OOC. I don't remember much about it except the bathing scene where I think Solas was being all edgy and was for lack of a better term "da'len-ing" Lavellan (which I hate in any fic I come across where there is a Solavellan romance). Also, there was one decent if slightly brutal sex-scene, and the self-insert Lavellan became obsessed with necromancy to the point where I wished she would shut up about it. Oh yeah, and there was some stuff where Solas got all jealous because Lavellan was banging a human at the end. That was hilarious.
I feel like any time an author tries to run with the jealousy angle with Solas it's terrible, because he doesn't get jealous, he gets disdainful (if your character is spending time with someone he doesn't approve of), or sad (because your character is happy and he knows he could never give them that, as he's all Byronic and stuff). I think I know of the fic you speak about too. It's written well and I did start reading it when it was still ongoing (and if we're talking about the same fic, it did have some hot smut scenes ) but then I stopped because I reached a point where I couldn't stand the Lavellan in the fic. ^__^;
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Post by illyria on Aug 23, 2016 19:48:46 GMT
*wanders into the thread after being on holiday* 'sup nerds. Did I miss anything good? Not much, there's a little tumblr drama, but that's to be expected. How was your holiday? It was great, thanks for asking! Cut for tender eyes: You probably saw it in the tags. A Solavellan author Gorillainthemist, writer of "Yes, Fen'Harel" got called out for writing "50 Shades of Grey"-style BDSM in their fic, by someone who is a BDSM practitioner. Apparently, it is unsafe and unhealthy to spread badly-researched porn to people who are dumb and think fanfiction is a useful tool for learning about that particular hobby/lifestyle. To me, it's infantilizing to be told you don't know how to handle your trashy romance habit, and cannot make informed choices without tons of research into something that, which, at least for me is just entertainment. Then again, I am in a stable monogamous relationship with little to no interest in BDSM at all, other than some light femdom in fanfic. I can see that practitioners of it might not want to see their kink portrayed poorly and unsafely, and abusive partners romanticized, but I have to wonder if they even approached the author and talked to them before castigating them and their work publicly like that. I don't particularly care for the fic myself, since their Solas is really, really skeevy and unlikable in it and Cullen is given a lobotomy. It seems really cruel and unnecessary to call them out, at least to me. I just do not care for the way the tumblr fandom police operate. At least serve them a warrant. Awww really?! That sucks. I saw a tumblr post reblogged by a DAI/Solavellan author I follow on Tumblr on BDSM and I was wondering if it was pertaining to a certain Solavellan fic, and gosh it makes me sad to hear that they were talking about Gorillainthemist's fic. I love reading Yes, Fen'Harel and Gorillainthemist is such a nice person. And I love reading their stories too, but yeah they occasionally make or reblogs posts that make me feel bad because they're sometimes on things I enjoy. (Like Yes, Fen'Harel) And at one point, they even made a post (but it's now deleted) on how garbage Sarah J. Maas' book A Court of Thorns and Roses was because it romanticized "abusive" romances. I haven't finished reading it, but I'm enjoying it so far... I guess their opinions on it and Yes, Fen'Harel shouldn't really matter to me if I like them or not? (Their posts still made me feel like crap for liking them though.... ) Get something that can blacklist stuff. My dash is quieter since I got tumblr savior, but also a much healthier place. I'm screwed I'm starting to struggle to remember irl people's names... My brain thinks it's ok to just put "Solas" everywhere ! But Solas is everywhere. Butt solas.
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Post by Elessara on Aug 23, 2016 21:00:12 GMT
All of this *SPOILER* *SPOILER* *SPOILER* stuff reminds me of right after Trespasser was released. Makes me want to replay it actually.
Edit to add: I don't know why there's this giant space after my one line post ><
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Post by ellawyn on Aug 23, 2016 21:20:05 GMT
I feel like the tendency to twist Solas into that archetype isn't the fault of canon so much as it is the fault of one of the first popular Solavellan fanfics (I don't know if I'm allowed to name names, so I won't.) since it was written shortly after the game was made, updated frequently, and had a portrayal of Solas that, in my opinion, was not only ridiculously OOC but also pointlessly dark and dominant and "edgy." Unfortunately, due to that fic's popularity and early arrival, it appears to given a lot of other writers the idea that's what Solas is really like, even when canon clearly states otherwise.
Also she might have only recently discovered the fic. You can name names, I just prefer to spoiler them as I don't personally want to call anyone out, or pretend I'm giving nuanced criticism. I think I know what fic you're talking about, and it's still got the third most kudos for Solavellan on AO3, despite having wrapped up over a year ago.
I did read it to the end, as it updated consistently, and was full of over the-top-drama and I didn't find their Solas characterization offensive even if I thought it was OOC. I don't remember much about it except the bathing scene where I think Solas was being all edgy and was for lack of a better term "da'len-ing" Lavellan (which I hate in any fic I come across where there is a Solavellan romance). Also, there was one decent if slightly brutal sex-scene, and the self-insert Lavellan became obsessed with necromancy to the point where I wished she would shut up about it. Oh yeah, and there was some stuff where Solas got all jealous because Lavellan was banging a human at the end. That was hilarious.
I feel like any time an author tries to run with the jealousy angle with Solas it's terrible, because he doesn't get jealous, he gets disdainful (if your character is spending time with someone he doesn't approve of), or sad (because your character is happy and he knows he could never give them that, as he's all Byronic and stuff).
So basically, I enjoyed it for what it was, which is tropey OOC romantic fanfiction.
(We're all talking about Apotheosis, right? That's what I was talking about.)
I read it to the end too, because I'm just a complete masochist. Even when I'm not really into something I can't help but wonder how it's going to end.
Yeah, I agree too. Solas is so insistent that this is a bad idea, and so frequently tells you you should move on, that I feel like he wouldn't really get jealous. He might get a little sad that he's alone again, but jealous to the point where he's, like, going all alpha male and sneering at her new love interest or whatever? Eh. He's already got one foot out the door as it is, if Lavellan decided to move on of her own free will, he'd probably be relieved more than anything.
Really, I think the whole dom/sub relationship thing just isn't my thing. Like I've read dom Solas fic and I've read dom Lavellan fic and my reaction is almost always "Wow, [Dom character] is being a huge dick," even as the sub party raves about how they're so into it. I guess it's just not my cup of tea.
I enjoyed that author's prose, though. I always thought she did well there.
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Yeah, I wonder too. (I do laugh at the "protect the children" reason because welcome to the internet! xD) And yes, I wonder why they decided go after that fic now? Maybe they just discovered it existed and thought it is their duty to correct the public about it? *shrugs* (Or yeah, maybe jealousy also played a part?) And thanks. I do like the fic for narrative reasons besides the smut, and it does have sweet parts in the fic too. And even if the BDSM there may not be 100% correctly portrayed, it did intrigue me to the culture behind it. With all these spoilers people are going to think we recently had a spoilery information dump. I'll admit that I have been reading "Yes, Fen'Harel" myself. I have no interest in BDSM whatsoever and have never read 50 Shades of Grey (when I first heard the title of that book I thought it was a gothic novel about ghosts of the Grey family ), so I'm not a fair judge of its depiction of BDSM. I started reading the fic out of morbid curiosity and after weeks of none of my fave fics updating. The smut isn't really my cup of tea, but the narrative has kept me interested anyhow. It doesn't really feel like authentic Sollavellan to me, but GorillaInTheMist has set up some interesting tension and character chemistry. Here's my take on the controversy. I'm soooo glad that I don't use Tumblr. That place seems to be packed with people looking to jump on other people's backs about anything they can. People can write and read whatever kind of fan fic they like. Impressionable youths shouldn't be reading rated E fan fic anyway, and adults don't need a nanny making sure they have a proper understanding of REAL BDSM. If you don't like a fic, then don't read it. Simple as that. Oddly enough no one seems to be critiquing the inaccurate depiction of graduate programs or university faculty interaction in all those grad school AU fics (even though those might mislead some kids into thinking university is all about flirting with professors and hanging out at bars). No one should expect fan fic to be as well researched as a published novel or checked for factual accuracy by a professional editor. I wish people should save their criticism for something that really matters...like I don't know...child slavery in Myanmar or lead tainted water in American cities. Cut for criticism of "Yes, Fen'Harel": Am I the only one who thinks that the writer of "Yes, Fen'Harel" actually would rather be writing Cullavellan? Because the way she keeps presenting it, Cullen is a victim of Evil!Leliana and Evil!Cassandra brainwashing him, while Solas is both self-loathing and possessive (and if the people who are calling it out are to be believed, working from the Dom List of Don'ts). For me, this makes Cullen look like a damsel in need of rescue, instead of a bullet the heroine has dodged, and as such Solas and Cullen come off as pathetic and Lavellan manipulative.
It's like the writer is trying to create love-triangle tension, but already has a love triangle with Solas' two personas; adding Cullen (and later Alistair) just turns it into a Mary Sue-fest where everyone is panting for Lavellan. Which I guess works in a certain genre of fic, like those that LK Hamilton writes.
I agree there are far more important things that the anti brigade on tumblr should be focusing on. If something you hate creeps into your entertainment, there's nothing wrong with making an effort to change that, but there has to be a better way to do it than choosing one fan writer out of a hundred to be surprise-pilloried to support your argument.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 23, 2016 22:04:01 GMT
With all these spoilers people are going to think we recently had a spoilery information dump. I'll admit that I have been reading "Yes, Fen'Harel" myself. I have no interest in BDSM whatsoever and have never read 50 Shades of Grey (when I first heard the title of that book I thought it was a gothic novel about ghosts of the Grey family ), so I'm not a fair judge of its depiction of BDSM. I started reading the fic out of morbid curiosity and after weeks of none of my fave fics updating. The smut isn't really my cup of tea, but the narrative has kept me interested anyhow. It doesn't really feel like authentic Sollavellan to me, but GorillaInTheMist has set up some interesting tension and character chemistry. Here's my take on the controversy. I'm soooo glad that I don't use Tumblr. That place seems to be packed with people looking to jump on other people's backs about anything they can. People can write and read whatever kind of fan fic they like. Impressionable youths shouldn't be reading rated E fan fic anyway, and adults don't need a nanny making sure they have a proper understanding of REAL BDSM. If you don't like a fic, then don't read it. Simple as that. Oddly enough no one seems to be critiquing the inaccurate depiction of graduate programs or university faculty interaction in all those grad school AU fics (even though those might mislead some kids into thinking university is all about flirting with professors and hanging out at bars). No one should expect fan fic to be as well researched as a published novel or checked for factual accuracy by a professional editor. I wish people should save their criticism for something that really matters...like I don't know...child slavery in Myanmar or lead tainted water in American cities. Cut for criticism of "Yes, Fen'Harel": Am I the only one who thinks that the writer of "Yes, Fen'Harel" actually would rather be writing Cullavellan? Because the way she keeps presenting it, Cullen is a victim of Evil!Leliana and Evil!Cassandra brainwashing him, while Solas is both self-loathing and possessive (and if the people who are calling it out are to be believed, working from the Dom List of Don'ts). For me, this makes Cullen look like a damsel in need of rescue, instead of a bullet the heroine has dodged, and as such Solas and Cullen come off as pathetic and Lavellan manipulative.
It's like the writer is trying to create love-triangle tension, but already has a love triangle with Solas' two personas; adding Cullen (and later Alistair) just turns it into a Mary Sue-fest where everyone is panting for Lavellan. Which I guess works in a certain genre of fic, like those that LK Hamilton writes.
I agree there are far more important things that the anti brigade on tumblr should be focusing on. If something you hate creeps into your entertainment, there's nothing wrong with making an effort to change that, but there has to be a better way to do it than choosing one fan writer out of a hundred to be surprise-pilloried to support your argument. I think the same could be said about 50 Shades Of Grey. There are other pieces of literature that are as bad that could be focused on. Thing is - 50 Shades of Gray IS popular (and what's more - it was originally a fanfiction for Twilight, which is pretty telling). And so is Yes, Fen'Harel (on much smaller scale ofc, but still), which I did see people, on occasion, tout as a god example of how to write a good BDSM relationship. I can't have really much of an opinion, since I'm not that much into BDSM or BDSM fiction. I mostly keep that particular fanfiction bookmarked, because... whoa, I'm just curious about how the author is actually planning to make this relationship work, given that this is some pretty messed up stuff, and that's aside from all of BDSM
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Cut for criticism of "Yes, Fen'Harel": Am I the only one who thinks that the writer of "Yes, Fen'Harel" actually would rather be writing Cullavellan? Because the way she keeps presenting it, Cullen is a victim of Evil!Leliana and Evil!Cassandra brainwashing him, while Solas is both self-loathing and possessive (and if the people who are calling it out are to be believed, working from the Dom List of Don'ts). For me, this makes Cullen look like a damsel in need of rescue, instead of a bullet the heroine has dodged, and as such Solas and Cullen come off as pathetic and Lavellan manipulative.
It's like the writer is trying to create love-triangle tension, but already has a love triangle with Solas' two personas; adding Cullen (and later Alistair) just turns it into a Mary Sue-fest where everyone is panting for Lavellan. Which I guess works in a certain genre of fic, like those that LK Hamilton writes.
I agree there are far more important things that the anti brigade on tumblr should be focusing on. If something you hate creeps into your entertainment, there's nothing wrong with making an effort to change that, but there has to be a better way to do it than choosing one fan writer out of a hundred to be surprise-pilloried to support your argument. Yes, Fen'Harel critique In terms of Alistair and Cullen both being after Lavellan giving the story a Mary-Sue vibe...I guess any Mary-Sueness hasn't bothered me as she's tried to set up the Cullen and Alistair things as largely political versus the Solas/Fen'Harel thing which is emotional/romantic. Meh. I don't really call Mary-Sue on anyone anyway. All BioWare player characters seem like Mary-Sues to me. Haha, you have a point, it's just much more apparent when the writer can actually show that everyone is in love with the OC, rather than silently pining or it not coming up if the romance options aren't taken.
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Post by Amburu on Aug 24, 2016 0:14:39 GMT
The RP works a bit differently than I had expected. It feels more like co-op fan fic writing Omg this is an AWESOME accurate way to explain it. Thank you ! I was struggling for words everytime, I'm taking this line with me !
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Post by Nimlowyn on Aug 24, 2016 0:57:33 GMT
I'm also able to access RDF without a problem. For those of you who love to write, they are trying to get an in-forum Dragon Age roleplaying thread going. I can't commit to it but I thought I'd mention it in case it would be something fun for any of you. I'm doing the RP over there in the "Making Contact" thread. The guidelines say to post within a week of your turn (although they've been moving a bit faster than that), so I don't think the commitment is too bad. I created a lone wolf, city elf apostate with a depressing past. He does drink, flirt, and joke all the time though, so it's not all grim and fatalistic. The RP works a bit differently than I had expected. It feels more like co-op fan fic writing than a D&D session. I totally recommend it. I'm slower than most so I'm getting a wee bit self conscious but I'm still in under a week! X)
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 24, 2016 1:44:06 GMT
Co-op fan fiction/ written RPG: I used to do something similar with a bunch of Final Fantasy 6 (or 3, if you prefer) fans, many years ago.
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Post by CapricornSun on Aug 24, 2016 5:21:29 GMT
I'm also able to access RDF without a problem. For those of you who love to write, they are trying to get an in-forum Dragon Age roleplaying thread going. I can't commit to it but I thought I'd mention it in case it would be something fun for any of you. I'm doing the RP over there in the "Making Contact" thread. The guidelines say to post within a week of your turn (although they've been moving a bit faster than that), so I don't think the commitment is too bad. I created a lone wolf, city elf apostate with a depressing past. He does drink, flirt, and joke all the time though, so it's not all grim and fatalistic. The RP works a bit differently than I had expected. It feels more like co-op fan fic writing than a D&D session. I totally recommend it. When you mentioned a DA RP group I went over to RDF looking for the thread but I couldn't find it. xD I'm not gonna join it though, since I'm already busy RPing with my D&D group, but I was curious to see how other RPs went. And yes, our D&D RP works that way too! Co-op fanfic writing (I'm not sure how a regular RP works since the D&D RP is the first RP I've done) and it's soooo much fun! And TMI but in our D&D RP, smut is currently happening and let me tell you, RPing smut is a very... fascinating experience. Good practice for my writing skills though.
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Hi all, I went back to playing DA recently and I've come across something new (at least for me). You know the place in Exalted Plains with the book or codex entry about Fen'Harel and that strange skull? I visited the place and accidently clicked on a wall and then a window with a very cryptic information popped up: It's called "thin crevices", I think(I'm not sure how to translate it). And that's why I'd like to ask you to post the thing in english, co I can try and make sense of it. Is this something new or am I excited for something that everyone has seen and forgotten long ago? And what do you think this is about?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 10:40:34 GMT
Hi all, I went back to playing DA recently and I've come across something new (at least for me). You know the place in Exalted Plains with the book or codex entry about Fen'Harel and that strange skull? I visited the place and accidently clicked on a wall and then a window with a very cryptic information popped up: It's called "thin crevices", I think(I'm not sure how to translate it). And that's why I'd like to ask you to post the thing in english, co I can try and make sense of it. Is this something new or am I excited for something that everyone has seen and forgotten long ago? And what do you think this is about? It's in Polish. I don't speak it, but I ran it through Google Translate and got this: "Thin Features Ancient tribes, Elves, Celene followers, Gaspard followers. Too much war, too much dead. Reality in ribbons and shreds. Not only in the sky, but everywhere. Walls are fragile (around myself?). First quarter. then a third, a second ... first. Coming, click in my head. Several-click. What's that? Hello? Are you there? If someone sees it?" I've never seen this in the game before, good find! No idea what it's about. The two words in parenthesis wouldn't translate so I looked them up individually and tried to figure it out myself. It could potentially be a nod to the The Witcher series, since it's based on a Polish novel series and made by a Polish company. Otherwise, I have no idea what it's about (aside from the first sentence).
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Post by Valkyrie on Aug 24, 2016 11:16:33 GMT
Wait a moment. I didn't make myself clear. I am aware what it means, because it's my language (I have Polish version of the game). The reason I can't make sense of it is because Polish translation is sometimes simply bad in my opinion. And it definitely is not good for cryptic texts like this one. So I'm looking for this text from english version of the game in order to find something that will be a clue for the true meaning of it. Sorry for the confusion.
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