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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 19, 2016 17:01:32 GMT
Genuine question this time: Did anyone's Lavellan break up with Solas at Trespasser, after finding out the truth about him? Hahaha, I've my Inquisitor has had her heart fluttering, then ripped out and trodden on and hastily put back into place. She had confusing mixed signals from a certain bald elf from the beginning! Make remarks about her people, then be polite, then flirt back, then flirt, then Fade date and a "hey, you're awesome" and return a little kiss with Fade tongue enthusiasm, then back away and warn away, then tell you he'll consider it, then appreciate your comforting and help with his friend, then accuse you of being effected by the anchor, then backwards kind of racist compliment, then warn away and back away, and then change his mind right away because "don't go" overpowered his rationality or maybe it was her touch, then not Fade enthusiastic make-out, then "BTdubs, I love you, gurrrl.", then you're vhenan, then you go to a ball, his first question disapproval, he says no dancing, then he says "dance with me"*, let's go into the jungle, "yo, quiz, it might not be a great idea to drink from the Well, and then "WTF! Why the heck did you drink from the Well!? Are you crazy! You made yourself a servant!", but you don't believe in the elven gods, "Uh, yeah I do. I just don't think I they were gods!" well that would have been fricking nice to know beforehand!, "whatcha gonna do with your power? If you say trust your friends you're wrong. Friends can't be trusted!!!" Maybe you just picked crappy friends! Mine are awesome and trustworthy and would never betray me**, and then "uh, huh, whatever, come. I have something to show you!" Apparently dropping everything to go to Crestwood all of the sudden is okay! And then: is all romantic, innuendo flirting (yes! Finally a sex scene is coming, thinks I!) "I have something important to tell you... *sweats* er, slave marks!", comforts, takes away or says "you're perfectly perfect as you are!", smooch, smooch, butt grab, annnd "I'll stop distracting you now. We need to focus and yeah... we're done." What the fu--, and then back at Skyhold, is evasive and won't explain, no one else notices you died a little on the inside (except Cole, but I don't get that banter because Solas's ass is grounded! Think he'll keep things from the Inquisitor!). End battle, much destruction, oops orb is broken, sad Solas is sad, "what we had was real and I hope you'll understand one day", Inquisitor looks at her people then looks back and Solas is gone. Party: Solas is still gone. Balcony scene: Solas is still gone. Epilogue slides: Still gone, dream spotting doesn't count! Two years later: Still gone, no explanation, by the way your hand is killing you. Find out later, Solas is an agent of Fen'Harel, whaaa. Meets Solas, nice stone decor... oh. Solas presumes the Inquisitor will have questions... no. fricking. duh. "I'm Fen'Harel and, yeah, sorry for not being able to tell you, but enough of that topic, let's talk about this:" talks about tearing down the Veil and destroying the known world. wait, wha- "enough of that topic, moving on! You're welcome for Skyhold and drawing your attention to the Qunari threat!" Why you bast-- "Moving on, hey look convenient arm hurt timing! Let me just fix this or you'll die!" Ah, my arm! "Yup, you're welcome, all fixed! I love you by the way, it's unfortunate my plans will probably end in your death! I'll never forget youuu!" Sad walks away. We've gone through too much emotional turmoil not to see this through to the end! *I think hearing him say that the way he did was the nail in the coffin. There was no turning back! **I don't know whether to laugh or cry for poor Lavellan! Oh, that's cool! She looks really good Did you draw (create) her yourself? *snip* Thank you! And yes, I drew/created her! You could see her here in my Tumblr art blog. (I should draw her more...) I didn't know you did your own artwork! That's awesome I'm super jealous of all people with the talent to create there own fan art. I'll definitely check out your Tumblr!
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Post by CapricornSun on Oct 19, 2016 17:10:27 GMT
*snip* Thank you! And yes, I drew/created her! You could see her here in my Tumblr art blog. (I should draw her more...) I didn't know you did your own artwork! That's awesome I'm super jealous of all people with the talent to create there own fan art. I'll definitely check out your Tumblr! Thanks! My previous avatars I used back in the old BSN where it was artwork of my Lavellan were also done by me.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 19, 2016 17:16:15 GMT
*snip* I didn't know you did your own artwork! That's awesome I'm super jealous of all people with the talent to create there own fan art. I'll definitely check out your Tumblr! Thanks! My previous avatars I used back in the old BSN where it was artwork of my Lavellan were also done by me. Well, I can't believe I never knew all of this! You've been art posting for the Blanketfort for how long now?
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Post by CapricornSun on Oct 19, 2016 17:30:56 GMT
Thanks! My previous avatars I used back in the old BSN where it was artwork of my Lavellan were also done by me. Well, I can't believe I never knew all of this! You've been art posting for the Blanketfort for how long now? Hmmm, since I first ended DA:I's base game which is... late 2014? And I had been shared my Solas and Solavellan artworks on BSN for quite a while on the old BSN too. Especially last year when I was highly active in drawing Solas and Solavellan art.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 19, 2016 17:39:42 GMT
Well, I can't believe I never knew all of this! You've been art posting for the Blanketfort for how long now? Hmmm, since I first ended DA:I's base game which is... late 2014? And I had been shared my Solas and Solavellan artworks on BSN for quite a while on the old BSN too. Especially last year when I was highly active in drawing Solas and Solavellan art. Well, I feel like Leliana after she realized how many spies were crawling around the Inquisition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 18:35:10 GMT
Just to play devil's advocate, but wouldn't all the crap he put Lavellan through be a good reason to leave? He broke up with her and for 2 years she hadn't had any contact with him. No idea why he broke up with her, but with one of my Lavellans she had the sicking feeling that its because she's a modern elf and she pretty sure he is an ancient based on what the grumpy elf guy from the temple said. Then suddenly bam! Solas uses you to avert Qunari from disrupting his plans and hey he's Fen'harel. Not only that, but he is going an act a plan that may result in everyone you love dying. That maybe after all that it would be good to keep those ties severed.
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2016 18:44:31 GMT
Genuine question this time: Did anyone's Lavellan break up with Solas at Trespasser, after finding out the truth about him? Hahaha, I've my Inquisitor has had her heart fluttering, then ripped out and trodden on and hastily put back into place. She had confusing mixed signals from a certain bald elf from the beginning! Make remarks about her people, then be polite, then flirt back, then flirt, then Fade date and a "hey, you're awesome" and return a little kiss with Fade tongue enthusiasm, then back away and warn away, then tell you he'll consider it, then appreciate your comforting and help with his friend, then accuse you of being effected by the anchor, then backwards kind of racist compliment, then warn away and back away, and then change his mind right away because "don't go" overpowered his rationality or maybe it was her touch, then not Fade enthusiastic make-out, then "BTdubs, I love you, gurrrl.", then you're vhenan, then you go to a ball, his first question disapproval, he says no dancing, then he says "dance with me"*, let's go into the jungle, "yo, quiz, it might not be a great idea to drink from the Well, and then "WTF! Why the heck did you drink from the Well!? Are you crazy! You made yourself a servant!", but you don't believe in the elven gods, "Uh, yeah I do. I just don't think I they were gods!" well that would have been fricking nice to know beforehand!, "whatcha gonna do with your power? If you say trust your friends you're wrong. Friends can't be trusted!!!" Maybe you just picked crappy friends! Mine are awesome and trustworthy and would never betray me**, and then "uh, huh, whatever, come. I have something to show you!" Apparently dropping everything to go to Crestwood all of the sudden is okay! And then: is all romantic, innuendo flirting (yes! Finally a sex scene is coming, thinks I!) "I have something important to tell you... *sweats* er, slave marks!", comforts, takes away or says "you're perfectly perfect as you are!", smooch, smooch, butt grab, annnd "I'll stop distracting you now. We need to focus and yeah... we're done." What the fu--, and then back at Skyhold, is evasive and won't explain, no one else notices you died a little on the inside (except Cole, but I don't get that banter because Solas's ass is grounded! Think he'll keep things from the Inquisitor!). End battle, much destruction, oops orb is broken, sad Solas is sad, "what we had was real and I hope you'll understand one day", Inquisitor looks at her people then looks back and Solas is gone. Party: Solas is still gone. Balcony scene: Solas is still gone. Epilogue slides: Still gone, dream spotting doesn't count! Two years later: Still gone, no explanation, by the way your hand is killing you. Find out later, Solas is an agent of Fen'Harel, whaaa. Meets Solas, nice stone decor... oh. Solas presumes the Inquisitor will have questions... no. fricking. duh. "I'm Fen'Harel and, yeah, sorry for not being able to tell you, but enough of that topic, let's talk about this:" talks about tearing down the Veil and destroying the known world. wait, wha- "enough of that topic, moving on! You're welcome for Skyhold and drawing your attention to the Qunari threat!" Why you bast-- "Moving on, hey look convenient arm hurt timing! Let me just fix this or you'll die!" Ah, my arm! "Yup, you're welcome, all fixed! I love you by the way, it's unfortunate my plans will probably end in your death! I'll never forget youuu!" Sad walks away. so uh... does that mean you did or didn/t break up with him? to answer @theloneshadow My first attempt at Solasmance would have broken up with him because it was a conflicted tepid relationship to start with. Then she finally falls for him and he ends it. She would not have held the torch for him for 2 years. There are other elves to have elf babies with. This is one of many reasons why I deleted her. My next attempt at a Solasmance would break up with him as soon as he revealed that he's going to destroy the world. Maybe the Dalish got it wrong, but man, Solas is super wrong. I'm a bit confused at what point the break up conversation happens at the end scene. Do you break it off at the start, middle, end? If for some reason the only dialogue that leads to break is at the start before he reveals his plans, then I guess she'd be stuck with him until DA4 lets her break it off with him. Because Quiz is totally gonna be there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 18:51:29 GMT
Genuine question this time: Did anyone's Lavellan break up with Solas at Trespasser, after finding out the truth about him? We've gone through too much emotional turmoil not to see this through to the end! *I think hearing him say that the way he did was the nail in the coffin. There was no turning back! **I don't know whether to laugh or cry for poor Lavellan!
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2016 19:07:09 GMT
Just to play devil's advocate, but wouldn't all the crap he put Lavellan through be a good reason to leave? He broke up with her and for 2 years she hadn't had any contact with him. No idea why he broke up with her, but with one of my Lavellans she had the sicking feeling that its because she's a modern elf and she pretty sure he is an ancient based on what the grumpy elf guy from the temple said. Then suddenly bam! Solas uses you to avert Qunari from disrupting his plans and hey he's Fen'harel. Not only that, but he is going an act a plan that may result in everyone you love dying. That maybe after all that it would be good to keep those ties severed. I had this very same question: bsn.boards.net/thread/188/year-gap-solas-mance?page=1And now I've formed my solution up to a point: My planned Lavellan is a widow with 3 kids. I think of this Korean romance drama when I think of how she compares the two loves. Her husband, father of her children, was a trusted kind friend. He was a warm simmering pot. Then she meets Solas and it's an energetic boil that's likely to kick the lid off the pot. Lots of energy and lust; she didn't know love could feel this way. She's already had her married with kids part of her life. She takes lovers over the 2 years likes she's always done since she was widowed, but nothing like what she'd felt with Solas so his memory lingers very strongly with her. It's not like she's pining. I think she takes his being Fen Harel pretty well in stride, she's seen a lot of crazy things over her lifetime. It's the whole "every one has to die" thing that is a deal breaker. So, she ends it. Doesn't mean the love died on the spot, ust means she won't be in a relationship with someone's goals so very far from her own. I don't know if I can play a Lavellan that would keep themselves as "in a relationship with" Solas after his big kill everyone for ancient elves speech.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:12:16 GMT
Just to play devil's advocate, but wouldn't all the crap he put Lavellan through be a good reason to leave? He broke up with her and for 2 years she hadn't had any contact with him. No idea why he broke up with her, but with one of my Lavellans she had the sicking feeling that its because she's a modern elf and she pretty sure he is an ancient based on what the grumpy elf guy from the temple said. Then suddenly bam! Solas uses you to avert Qunari from disrupting his plans and hey he's Fen'harel. Not only that, but he is going an act a plan that may result in everyone you love dying. That maybe after all that it would be good to keep those ties severed. I had this very same question: bsn.boards.net/thread/188/year-gap-solas-mance?page=1And now I've formed my solution up to a point: My planned Lavellan is a widow with 3 kids. I think of this Korean romance drama when I think of how she compares the two loves. Her husband, father of her children, was a trusted kind friend. He was a warm simmering pot. Then she meets Solas and it's an energetic boil that's likely to kick the lid off the pot. Lots of energy and lust; she didn't know love could feel this way. She's already had her married with kids part of her life. She takes lovers over the 2 years likes she's always done since she was widowed, but nothing like what she'd felt with Solas so his memory lingers very strongly with her. It's not like she's pining. I think she takes his being Fen Harel pretty well in stride, she's seen a lot of crazy things over her lifetime. It's the whole "every one has to die" thing that is a deal breaker. So, she ends it. Doesn't mean the love died on the spot, ust means she won't be in a relationship with someone's goals so very far from her own.I don't know if I can play a Lavellan that would keep themselves as "in a relationship with" Solas after his big kill everyone for ancient elves speech. How unfortunate that we don't have the option to end it after the big bomb shell dropped.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 19, 2016 19:14:28 GMT
Just to play devil's advocate, but wouldn't all the crap he put Lavellan through be a good reason to leave? He broke up with her and for 2 years she hadn't had any contact with him. No idea why he broke up with her, but with one of my Lavellans she had the sicking feeling that its because she's a modern elf and she pretty sure he is an ancient based on what the grumpy elf guy from the temple said. Then suddenly bam! Solas uses you to avert Qunari from disrupting his plans and hey he's Fen'harel. Not only that, but he is going an act a plan that may result in everyone you love dying. That maybe after all that it would be good to keep those ties severed. Hahaha, I've my Inquisitor has had her heart fluttering, then ripped out and trodden on and hastily put back into place. She had confusing mixed signals from a certain bald elf from the beginning! Make remarks about her people, then be polite, then flirt back, then flirt, then Fade date and a "hey, you're awesome" and return a little kiss with Fade tongue enthusiasm, then back away and warn away, then tell you he'll consider it, then appreciate your comforting and help with his friend, then accuse you of being effected by the anchor, then backwards kind of racist compliment, then warn away and back away, and then change his mind right away because "don't go" overpowered his rationality or maybe it was her touch, then not Fade enthusiastic make-out, then "BTdubs, I love you, gurrrl.", then you're vhenan, then you go to a ball, his first question disapproval, he says no dancing, then he says "dance with me"*, let's go into the jungle, "yo, quiz, it might not be a great idea to drink from the Well, and then "WTF! Why the heck did you drink from the Well!? Are you crazy! You made yourself a servant!", but you don't believe in the elven gods, "Uh, yeah I do. I just don't think I they were gods!" well that would have been fricking nice to know beforehand!, "whatcha gonna do with your power? If you say trust your friends you're wrong. Friends can't be trusted!!!" Maybe you just picked crappy friends! Mine are awesome and trustworthy and would never betray me**, and then "uh, huh, whatever, come. I have something to show you!" Apparently dropping everything to go to Crestwood all of the sudden is okay! And then: is all romantic, innuendo flirting (yes! Finally a sex scene is coming, thinks I!) "I have something important to tell you... *sweats* er, slave marks!", comforts, takes away or says "you're perfectly perfect as you are!", smooch, smooch, butt grab, annnd "I'll stop distracting you now. We need to focus and yeah... we're done." What the fu--, and then back at Skyhold, is evasive and won't explain, no one else notices you died a little on the inside (except Cole, but I don't get that banter because Solas's ass is grounded! Think he'll keep things from the Inquisitor!). End battle, much destruction, oops orb is broken, sad Solas is sad, "what we had was real and I hope you'll understand one day", Inquisitor looks at her people then looks back and Solas is gone. Party: Solas is still gone. Balcony scene: Solas is still gone. Epilogue slides: Still gone, dream spotting doesn't count! Two years later: Still gone, no explanation, by the way your hand is killing you. Find out later, Solas is an agent of Fen'Harel, whaaa. Meets Solas, nice stone decor... oh. Solas presumes the Inquisitor will have questions... no. fricking. duh. "I'm Fen'Harel and, yeah, sorry for not being able to tell you, but enough of that topic, let's talk about this:" talks about tearing down the Veil and destroying the known world. wait, wha- "enough of that topic, moving on! You're welcome for Skyhold and drawing your attention to the Qunari threat!" Why you bast-- "Moving on, hey look convenient arm hurt timing! Let me just fix this or you'll die!" Ah, my arm! "Yup, you're welcome, all fixed! I love you by the way, it's unfortunate my plans will probably end in your death! I'll never forget youuu!" Sad walks away. so uh... does that mean you did or didn/t break up with him? to answer @theloneshadow My first attempt at Solasmance would have broken up with him because it was a conflicted tepid relationship to start with. Then she finally falls for him and he ends it. She would not have held the torch for him for 2 years. There are other elves to have elf babies with. This is one of many reasons why I deleted her. My next attempt at a Solasmance would break up with him as soon as he revealed that he's going to destroy the world. Maybe the Dalish got it wrong, but man, Solas is super wrong. I'm a bit confused at what point the break up conversation happens at the end scene. Do you break it off at the start, middle, end? If for some reason the only dialogue that leads to break is at the start before he reveals his plans, then I guess she'd be stuck with him until DA4 lets her break it off with him. Because Quiz is totally gonna be there. Ah, yes, my rant was a little off the walls (sometimes we need a good vent). To elaborate, I find it perfectly reasonable for Lavellan as a character to break up with Solas and/or give up on him (depending if the last dialogue option meant a break-uo in Trespasser). My Lavellan didn't, and it fits her character, but regardless of that my puppet master self would have continued the relationship. We've been through too much with this just to break it off in a DLC and have it so that Solas makes no comment that he was ever in a relationship in the next game. I need to continue this story, to know what happens next and get some type of closure! There's no getting off the SolasxLavellan hellspiral until it's over-- regardless of what Lavellan thinks! *Insert evil cackle!* This is pretty much the same thing that happened with my Fenris romance in DA2. Would my Hawke really have stayed brooding over Fenris and not have relations with anyone else for three years? Perhaps not, but I wanted to see where that was going! And I am in control! *More evil cackling* I mean, I do head canon fix it up so it is not of character for my characters, but I know without my spirit guidance nudge nudging them in a certain direction a lot of the time my character wouldn't do a certain thing. Freeing Sten and sparring Zevran and letting them tag along. Ever going into the Deep Roads ever . Deciding not to rush the Redcliffe arc and Connor's cure and instead a long deviation to the Circle. Taking time off to do various gift-y quests/approval quests for my companions. Becoming good enough friends with Isabela so she won't betray us. Killing dragons in Inquisition. These are all examples of me exerting my will of my character. Not that I did it with Lavellan, mind you. I think she did what she would have done regardless of me. Does this whole conversation make me seem a little crazy about my characters?...
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2016 19:16:15 GMT
@theloneshadow
If it's true that one can't end the relationship until after the bomb shell is dropped, then technically my Lavellan will still be flagged as in a romance with him at the end. But she'd probably also say the Kill half of the kill/redeem dialogue so what does that get her I wonder?
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 19, 2016 19:24:25 GMT
@theloneshadow If it's true that one can't end the relationship until after the bomb shell is dropped, then technically my Lavellan will still be flagged as in a romance with him at the end. But she'd probably also say the Kill half of the kill/redeem dialogue so what does that get her I wonder? Your character sounds a lot more mature than mine. She probably pined, maybe sulked, definitely brooded, and in the end gave that cringey love will fix this remark. If I was her there would be no, we can overcome this, after "your people will die." Ah, Lavellan. *pats fondly* you're worse than my Anders romance Hawke and Tabris who fell for the assassin! I'm really curious about what that ending dialogue choice will effect too... is it a break up? Will it be acknowledged? So many questions We've gone through too much emotional turmoil not to see this through to the end! *I think hearing him say that the way he did was the nail in the coffin. There was no turning back! **I don't know whether to laugh or cry for poor Lavellan! This sums up the romance pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:31:10 GMT
@theloneshadow If it's true that one can't end the relationship until after the bomb shell is dropped, then technically my Lavellan will still be flagged as in a romance with him at the end. But she'd probably also say the Kill half of the kill/redeem dialogue so what does that get her I wonder? Your character sounds a lot more mature than mine. She probably pined, maybe sulked, definitely brooded, and in the end gave that cringey love will fix this remark. If I was her there would be no, we can overcome this, after "your people will die." Ah, Lavellan. *pats fondly* you're worse than my Anders romance Hawke and Tabris who fell for the assassin! I'm really curious about what that ending dialogue choice will effect too... is it a break up? Will it be acknowledged? So many questions
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2016 19:38:40 GMT
I watched it online. Apparently saying you're willing to do anything to stop him makes him a little less inclined to kiss you. Because he doesn't. But that seems to be the only difference. Unless they take it into account in some other way in DA4.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 19, 2016 20:22:34 GMT
Woah, I'm impressed! You should post that to the Alistair thread on the Origins section!
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Post by Garnet on Oct 19, 2016 22:02:42 GMT
Yay! I just got my copy of The Masked Empire! I'm excited to know exactly wtf is going on with Halamshiral and to finally meet Felassan.
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2016 22:14:51 GMT
You know what that picture says?
"She totally isn't my Mistress." with a sub speech of she totally was my mistress.
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Post by ellawyn on Oct 19, 2016 22:32:29 GMT
gervaise21 Pretty much what you said, with one more reason for me - I believe that Solas knows fuck all about what he's doing. Just look at his previous attempts. Raised the Veil? Screwed his people. Gave his orb to Corypheus? An ancient darkspawn nearly destroys the world. Not what I would call a trail of successes. I think he should leave saving the world to someone else, before he screws up even further. Nice of him to warn us about the Qunari warmongering. Although, looking from his point of view, that too may come back and bite him in that finely shaped butt. I hope to hell there's a dialogue option for the next protagonist akin to: "So, how'd that work out for you?" after a thorough curb stomping. I'd pick that even with Lavellan, 'cause she sure deserves some gloating. How'd his plan with the Qunari fail? Seems like it went off pretty fine to me. He got the Inquisition to take care of the Qunari and got to remove the mark from the Inquisitor. I'm not seeing how that went wrong at all. Unless you mean that it led to the Inquisiton finding out about his plans and vowing to stop him, in which case you only learn about all of that because he... told you. Like he just straight up told you. Either because he believes you deserve to know or because he wants someone to oppose him, but either way, I don't see anything that went wrong there. And I still don't see how people could've reasonably expected Solas to know giving the Orb to Corypheus would cause the Breach. Sure it wasn't tremendously responsible, but when was the last time you looked at someone and though, apropos of nothing, "Gee I bet they're an unkillable demigod." Like how could anyone come to that conclusion without having it explicitly given to them. The Veil was a mistake though, yeah. A mistake that's preferable to the end of the world, but a mistake nonetheless. Gotta wonder how he landed on that idea.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Oct 19, 2016 22:33:26 GMT
I've played the two first episodes of Telltale's Game of Thrones, and let me tell you something - if I play DA4 like I played tonight... Thedas is completely and utterly f*cked. Damn I make horrible decisions!
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 19, 2016 23:04:09 GMT
Yay! I just got my copy of The Masked Empire! I'm excited to know exactly wtf is going on with Halamshiral and to finally meet Felassan. Hi, Garnet! It's been so long! That's awesome about the book. I'm still on the fence about reading it because I'm already very spoiled to what happens in it. I've played the two first episodes of Telltale's Game of Thrones, and let me tell you something - if I play DA4 like I played tonight... Thedas is completely and utterly f*cked. Damn I make horrible decisions! Haha, I don't think we have to worry that much. I think the ASoIaF world is a decent bit crappier to live in and find happiness than the Dragon Age world. Now a Dragon Age game in ASoIaF's world... *whispers* valar morghulis... no one would survive.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 19, 2016 23:48:06 GMT
I've played the two first episodes of Telltale's Game of Thrones, and let me tell you something - if I play DA4 like I played tonight... Thedas is completely and utterly f*cked. Damn I make horrible decisions! To be fair, I'm not sure how many objectively good decisions you can actually make there. Game of Thrones is one of the really good Telltale series, regardless, though, imo. Up there with Walking Dead S1/S2, Wolf Among Us, and Tales from the Borderlands. I hope you enjoy it. I'm immersed in Final Fantasy 14 and Dishonored, myself. I realized I never played all the Dishonored DLC and I really want to do that before the sequel launches. On topicness: I don't agree with the Veil being a mistake. Best of bad options, maybe, but if its the best thing you can do, I don't think it can be called a mistake to do it. Unless doing nothing would have been the actually good option, but apparently that was not the case. I think Solas is experiencing guilt for the veil, but its like survivor's guilt. Like, he's not actually at fault for its consequences, imo, since he did the best he could. His guilt over it's effects is evidence to me that this is the case, along with just observing his generally kind-towards-those-who-need-it personality in the time he was with the Inquisition. If he could have put up the veil without destroying elven civilization, I am sure he would have done that. If he could have ensured more people survived beyond the ones that did, I am sure he would have. But I am also sure that he couldn't just send a message through Elvehnan's town crier system that he was "Gonna raise the veil, everyone evacuate!". The Evanuris would likely have noticed and he wouldn't have caught them, which would have made the entire thing moot.
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Post by ellawyn on Oct 20, 2016 0:48:49 GMT
I've played the two first episodes of Telltale's Game of Thrones, and let me tell you something - if I play DA4 like I played tonight... Thedas is completely and utterly f*cked. Damn I make horrible decisions! To be fair, I'm not sure how many objectively good decisions you can actually make there. Game of Thrones is one of the really good Telltale series, regardless, though, imo. Up there with Walking Dead S1/S2, Wolf Among Us, and Tales from the Borderlands. I hope you enjoy it. I'm immersed in Final Fantasy 14 and Dishonored, myself. I realized I never played all the Dishonored DLC and I really want to do that before the sequel launches. On topicness: I don't agree with the Veil being a mistake. Best of bad options, maybe, but if its the best thing you can do, I don't think it can be called a mistake to do it. Unless doing nothing would have been the actually good option, but apparently that was not the case. I think Solas is experiencing guilt for the veil, but its like survivor's guilt. Like, he's not actually at fault for its consequences, imo, since he did the best he could. His guilt over it's effects is evidence to me that this is the case, along with just observing his generally kind-towards-those-who-need-it personality in the time he was with the Inquisition. If he could have put up the veil without destroying elven civilization, I am sure he would have done that. If he could have ensured more people survived beyond the ones that did, I am sure he would have. But I am also sure that he couldn't just send a message through Elvehnan's town crier system that he was "Gonna raise the veil, everyone evacuate!". The Evanuris would likely have noticed and he wouldn't have caught them, which would have made the entire thing moot. Hmm. I agree to an extent. I know people like to say that Solas is a failure that should've just never tried, but really, let's stop and think about what Thedas would be like if Solas had never been in it - and by "Thedas" I mean "The lifeless Blighted husk where Thedas would've been because Solas wasn't there to stop the Evanuris from destroying the world, likely via Blight stuff." The Veil's creation did cause lots of damage, and Solas obviously regards it as a mistake - but really, what was the alternative? Doing nothing? Letting the Evanuris destroy the world? And that supposedly would be better? I know the "find a better way" crowd exists, but I still say it's hopelessly naive to say that when the demigod who's got a far deeper understanding of these things and millenia to think on them couldn't find it. If the PC does find such a thing, I'd say that's less a sign of Solas' incompetence and more a sign of how blatantly these games coddle the player character. ...Although, really, even if the PC doesn't find a better way - hell, even if they're for some reason forced into seeing Solas' plan through - you'd still have people who'd insist he was somehow wrong but the Inquisitor was right. There's just such a weird double standard in how people treat NPCs versus PCs. Look at Shepard - they destroy an entire planet full of innocents, players say it was a regrettable course of action but ultimately for the greater good. Solas destroys part of the world to stave off it's complete destruction, players say he's a failure who needs to sit down and shut up. Hypocrisy? What's that? Still, I say it was a mistake in that, while it did it's job and was preferable to the alternative, it does seem sort of odd that 1) Solas would take it as a solution before something else (I assume he tried straight-up murder and it didn't work, but how did he go from that to the Veil? What made him believe it was the best way?) and 2) Solas was somehow unaware of it's consequences. At the very least, he appears to be unaware of it's consequences. Maybe he knew full well what it would lead to, but hoped that the survivors would find their way. Also Wolf Among Us is the best Telltale game I will fight someone over this.
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