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Post by ahglock on Apr 6, 2018 2:41:11 GMT
Which is a bull since we know the beam did go through all of the relays. How do you know it did? What about the relays that are doormant? Did the beam travel through those? While not impossible, my impression was the entire point of the citadel is it linked to and controlled all relays. If one being dormant stopped that a lot of civilizations might be improving between cycles without the reapers knowing it. Seems like too obvious of an oversight to miss, but the Reapers consistently make poor decisions so I guess its possible.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 6, 2018 3:40:49 GMT
Add re-building the galaxy into the story and missions like re-awake or not Geth and EDI etc. In my canon it's super easy to bring them back - just "plug" them into the data core. Their bodies are "dead" but their data is not. EDI is Normandy in so many levels that it should be impossible for the ship to fly just like that at the end of ME3, after Destroy so EDI should've been already back, just not in "her body". This is a blatant lore violation, at least for EDI. When a "blue box"is deactivated or destroyed, the personality vanishes. Reactivate the hardware and you get a new personality.... a new person. Geth use different technology, so this may not apply to them. Whether you care about that is a separate issue. Sounds like you want to undo choices, so why not lore too? EDI was based on the "rogue VI" from Mars (which I still maintain turned into an AI - consider it akin to the geth themselves) *and* Reaper Tech. I think it's that second aspect that allows the rules to be bent for her. Also, EDI never fully entered the Eva body. She always maintained that the majority of her mind remained in the Normandy.
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Post by izut on Apr 6, 2018 13:50:43 GMT
Add re-building the galaxy into the story and missions like re-awake or not Geth and EDI etc. In my canon it's super easy to bring them back - just "plug" them into the data core. Their bodies are "dead" but their data is not. EDI is Normandy in so many levels that it should be impossible for the ship to fly just like that at the end of ME3, after Destroy so EDI should've been already back, just not in "her body". This is a blatant lore violation, at least for EDI. When a "blue box"is deactivated or destroyed, the personality vanishes. Reactivate the hardware and you get a new personality.... a new person. Geth use different technology, so this may not apply to them. Whether you care about that is a separate issue. Sounds like you want to undo choices, so why not lore too? The thing is that the starbrat was the voice of the reapers and he tried to make us chose indoctrinated ending - synthesis or control so I'm sure he lied a lot about Geth and all the synthetic life being destroyed. Shepard alive at the end is the proof of that due to having synthetic implants that are crucial for her/him to live.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 6, 2018 14:55:49 GMT
Well, I see IT is still alive.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 7, 2018 0:02:41 GMT
Well, I see IT is still alive. I'm willing to bet IT is more alive on here than it is on the IT forum
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 7, 2018 4:05:45 GMT
I don't think izut was advocating IT. Instead, she suggested that Control and Synthesis would have been the result of indoctrination. Choosing Destroy - the only path that would end the Reapers forever - was a free mind.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 7, 2018 4:29:57 GMT
Well, I see IT is still alive. Quick, someone get the tin foil hats!
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 7, 2018 14:08:24 GMT
I don't think izut was advocating IT. Instead, she suggested that Control and Synthesis would have been the result of indoctrination. Choosing Destroy - the only path that would end the Reapers forever - was a free mind. I don’t see that. I always choose one of those as my Paragon Shep.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 7, 2018 15:58:05 GMT
I don't think izut was advocating IT. Instead, she suggested that Control and Synthesis would have been the result of indoctrination. Choosing Destroy - the only path that would end the Reapers forever - was a free mind. I'm not following. How is that different from IT?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 7, 2018 19:26:01 GMT
I don't think izut was advocating IT. Instead, she suggested that Control and Synthesis would have been the result of indoctrination. Choosing Destroy - the only path that would end the Reapers forever - was a free mind. I'm not following. How is that different from IT? If I were to guess, the difference is that in IT those choices don't actually happen since you haven't actually entered the Citadel yet while with their post they are saying those choices still happen it's just Shepard was indoctrinated as they did it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 7, 2018 23:29:53 GMT
I don't think izut was advocating IT. Instead, she suggested that Control and Synthesis would have been the result of indoctrination. Choosing Destroy - the only path that would end the Reapers forever - was a free mind. I'm not following. How is that different from IT? IT seems to imply Shepard has been slowly indoctrinated over the course of the games from all her/his interactions with Reapers or Reaper Tech (Sovereign, derelict Reaper, Object Rho, the proto-Reaper, etc.). Also, IT implies that the Catalyst meeting was all in Shepard's head. As I interpreted the post here, everything happening is real but the Catalyst is attempting to take over Shepard's mind with varying degrees of success. Synthesis means it was fully successful. Catalyst is partially successful. Destroy is a complete failure. I might also call Refusal a partial success since the Reapers live but the Catalyst doesn't get its desired outcome. I've read about and watched videos concerning IT. It can seem compelling but it ultimately doesn't work for me. Saying the ending was all a hallucination makes no sense. Maybe the differences between IT and izut's theory are minor, but to me it's significant and doesn't align with IT. IT, in saying it's a hallucination, also denies the trilogy an ending. The theory in this thread still ends the trilogy because its events actually happened.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 7, 2018 23:32:02 GMT
I don't think izut was advocating IT. Instead, she suggested that Control and Synthesis would have been the result of indoctrination. Choosing Destroy - the only path that would end the Reapers forever - was a free mind. I don’t see that. I always choose one of those as my Paragon Shep. Which is fine. I'm just a hardcore believer that the Reapers should not be allowed to get away with genocide on a level that no being can even conceive of. With Control, Synthesis and Refusal, they are given a pass on what they did. With Destroy, they finally get what's coming to them.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 8, 2018 2:12:18 GMT
I'm not following. How is that different from IT? IT seems to imply Shepard has been slowly indoctrinated over the course of the games from all her/his interactions with Reapers or Reaper Tech (Sovereign, derelict Reaper, Object Rho, the proto-Reaper, etc.). Also, IT implies that the Catalyst meeting was all in Shepard's head. As I interpreted the post here, everything happening is real but the Catalyst is attempting to take over Shepard's mind with varying degrees of success. Synthesis means it was fully successful. Catalyst is partially successful. Destroy is a complete failure. I might also call Refusal a partial success since the Reapers live but the Catalyst doesn't get its desired outcome. I've read about and watched videos concerning IT. It can seem compelling but it ultimately doesn't work for me. Saying the ending was all a hallucination makes no sense. Maybe the differences between IT and izut 's theory are minor, but to me it's significant and doesn't align with IT. IT, in saying it's a hallucination, also denies the trilogy an ending. The theory in this thread still ends the trilogy because its events actually happened. OK. So the difference is that the indoctrination is only happening in the last few minutes rather than over the entire game? Well, it does have the advantage of ruling out a lot of the IT arguments, which is always a plus. I think this is functionally equivalent to a theory The Twilight God used to try and push around here -- Deception Theory, IIRC. People generally called that a subset of IT, but he didn't. I suppose we probably should have a different descriptor than IT for the set of all deception/indoctrination-based theories. It doesn't make sense to lump the Choose Wisely folks in with standard IT either. As for what the Reapers deserve, I'm just gonna shrug. They weren't ever responsible for anything in the first place. They were just some indoctrinated stooges themselves. The Reapers didn't have enough agency to be either guilty or innocent.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 8, 2018 4:22:18 GMT
As for what the Reapers deserve, I'm just gonna shrug. They weren't ever responsible for anything in the first place. They were just some indoctrinated stooges themselves. The Reapers didn't have enough agency to be either guilty or innocent. Depends on whether or not you take Sovereign at face value. If you do, they have agency. Also, if you think it's not their fault, then Control isn't really good, either, since it takes their free will. Synthesis changes nothing in regard to their free choice since the Catalyst remains. Refusal also leaves them under Catalyst control. Any way you look at it, Destroy is the decision that stands on its own.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Apr 8, 2018 8:37:52 GMT
Well, I see IT is still alive. I'm willing to bet IT is more alive on here than it is on the IT forum They have a forum?
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 8, 2018 16:11:52 GMT
Assuming BioWare is not out of business by that time (which I sure hope they're not) I don't think we'll see an "Andromeda 2". For starters, the title is ridiculous (no offense) even as a placeholder title, it sounds dumb > Mass Effect: Andromeda, version/edition 2? Think of "Skyrim 2" which is a joke title, but some people genuinely hoped for that, like what the heck. Second, whether most here agree or not, the general consensus is that Andromeda was a flawed game, to the point of being plain bad, people got pissed. Bio sure wants a fresh start (again...), to not drag along old wounds and all that shit.
Not saying they'll ditch all the possible lore, or species, the journey, the characters, or some events of Andromeda, just saying that the next game may have mentions of it, but that'd be about all we get I think. The reason they chose another galaxy was, I think, because they couldn't figure a way of continuing on the MW without making one of the absurdly ridiculous endings (aside from destruction, which was the whole point of the game btw) as canon, they went as far as saying that "no ending will ever be canon" which leads to the question of how on earth could you ever do a game set on the MW again if you don't plan on making a canon ending.
Honestly, I have no idea if they'll go to yet a different Galaxy in the next installment or they'll figure a clever way of making ME3 endings work for a new game set on the MW. But I think, Andromeda will be discarded for now. I don't think an Andromeda sequel is impossible, I just don't feel they would like to continue there for now, due to the "bad press" and all that the game got. They will have to fix the mess they created in ME3 eventually, and I wont envy the person in charge of doing it when the time finally comes.
As for when the game will release, it's far fetched, honestly. We'll see the next DA first that's for sure, probably in 2021 or 22? 2020 if we're lucky. ME will be at least 3 more years after that, and only if they already started working on it way before.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 8, 2018 16:31:47 GMT
Assuming BioWare is not out of business by that time (which I sure hope they're not) I don't think we'll see an "Andromeda 2". For starters, the title is ridiculous (no offense) even as a placeholder title, it sounds dumb > Mass Effect: Andromeda, version/edition 2? Think of "Skyrim 2" which is a joke title, but some people genuinely hoped for that, like what the heck. Second, whether most here agree or not, the general consensus is that Andromeda was a flawed game, to the point of being plain bad, people got pissed. Bio sure wants a fresh start (again...), to not drag along old wounds and all that shit. Not saying they'll ditch all the possible lore, or species, the journey, the characters, or some events of Andromeda, just saying that the next game may have mentions of it, but that'd be about all we get I think. The reason they chose another galaxy was, I think, because they couldn't figure a way of continuing on the MW without making one of the absurdly ridiculous endings (aside from destruction, which was the whole point of the game btw) as canon, they went as far as saying that "no ending will ever be canon" which leads to the question of how on earth could you ever do a game set on the MW again if you don't plan on making a canon ending. Honestly, I have no idea if they'll go to yet a different Galaxy in the next installment or they'll figure a clever way of making ME3 endings work for a new game set on the MW. But I think, Andromeda will be discarded for now. I don't think an Andromeda sequel is impossible, I just don't feel they would like to continue there for now, due to the "bad press" and all that the game got. They will have to fix the mess they created in ME3 eventually, and I wont envy the person in charge of doing it when the time finally comes. As for when the game will release, it's far fetched, honestly. We'll see the next DA first that's for sure, probably in 2021 or 22? 2020 if we're lucky. ME will be at least 3 more years after that, and only if they already started working on it way before. I don’t agree. Most of the general reaction is it had a flawed release but is overall a good game. If it had released in its current state it would not have received as much vitriol. If they ditch Andromeda because of a bad release and stupid memes then Bioware is dead in my eyes.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 8, 2018 20:12:49 GMT
I'm willing to bet IT is more alive on here than it is on the IT forum They have a forum? yes technically, though its long since devolved into just a hangout spot
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 8, 2018 23:00:52 GMT
I don’t agree. Most of the general reaction is it had a flawed release but is overall a good game. If it had released in its current state it would not have received as much vitriol. If they ditch Andromeda because of a bad release and stupid memes then Bioware is dead in my eyes. I would use the word "inconsistent" at best. I guess hype also got in the way, 5 years of waiting, 2 or 3 years of teasers at E3s and other events, artificial over hype from so called industry insiders and what not. Most of us were expecting something huge, gameplay wise and story wise. And in my book it didn't qualify as anything more than inconsistent. Whether is just memes or hatred or whatever, the game received lots of mixed reviews let's just say. That's why I think the next installment wont be a sequel of Andromeda, they can't be dealing with more garbage and bad press that surely will gain track again if they announce a sequel. There's a reason why they didn't try to sell us the game as another trilogy to begin with: it was a test, and it didn't went as well as they wanted it to. Obviously that's just my own opinion.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 8, 2018 23:29:17 GMT
I don’t agree. Most of the general reaction is it had a flawed release but is overall a good game. If it had released in its current state it would not have received as much vitriol. If they ditch Andromeda because of a bad release and stupid memes then Bioware is dead in my eyes. I would use the word "inconsistent" at best. I guess hype also got in the way, 5 years of waiting, 2 or 3 years of teasers at E3s and other events, artificial over hype from so called industry insiders and what not. Most of us were expecting something huge, gameplay wise and story wise. And in my book it didn't qualify as anything more than inconsistent. Whether is just memes or hatred or whatever, the game received lots of mixed reviews let's just say. That's why I think the next installment wont be a sequel of Andromeda, they can't be dealing with more garbage and bad press that surely will gain track again if they announce a sequel. There's a reason why they didn't try to sell us the game as another trilogy to begin with: it was a test, and it didn't went as well as they wanted it to. Obviously that's just my own opinion. I can’t see how that would create bad press. Two Worlds is a great example. A very mixed reception game plagued with issues and it got a sequel that was reviewed better than the first and a third is in the works. Can’t let bad press and mistakes stop you. Biggest mistake would be ignoring MEA and retconning it.
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 8, 2018 23:50:04 GMT
I can’t see how that would create bad press. Two Worlds is a great example. A very mixed reception game plagued with issues and it got a sequel that was reviewed better than the first and a third is in the works. Can’t let bad press and mistakes stop you. Biggest mistake would be ignoring MEA and retconning it. I don't really know the company behind TW, but for what I've seen, Bioware likes to step away when things don't go their way. ME3 to Andromeda is the example I'd use. Not saying they should retcon it, just let it "cool down" so to speak. They already did that with ME3 in fact, when they released MEA. They didn't want to deal with ME3 endings, so they essentially took the "let's get the fuck away from that" approach, and changed settings to a different galaxy (which btw is not a bad thing IMO, so long as it's done right). As things are now, I personally can't see a reason why they would do a direct sequel to Andromeda.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 8, 2018 23:51:07 GMT
I don’t agree. Most of the general reaction is it had a flawed release but is overall a good game. If it had released in its current state it would not have received as much vitriol. If they ditch Andromeda because of a bad release and stupid memes then Bioware is dead in my eyes. I would use the word "inconsistent" at best. I guess hype also got in the way, 5 years of waiting, 2 or 3 years of teasers at E3s and other events, artificial over hype from so called industry insiders and what not. Most of us were expecting something huge, gameplay wise and story wise. And in my book it didn't qualify as anything more than inconsistent. Whether is just memes or hatred or whatever, the game received lots of mixed reviews let's just say. That's why I think the next installment wont be a sequel of Andromeda, they can't be dealing with more garbage and bad press that surely will gain track again if they announce a sequel. There's a reason why they didn't try to sell us the game as another trilogy to begin with: it was a test, and it didn't went as well as they wanted it to. Obviously that's just my own opinion. The only way I see a sequel happening is if Bioware releases a few very well received games that bolster their reputation a bit, to offset the bad press from Andromeda.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 9, 2018 1:04:58 GMT
I can’t see how that would create bad press. Two Worlds is a great example. A very mixed reception game plagued with issues and it got a sequel that was reviewed better than the first and a third is in the works. Can’t let bad press and mistakes stop you. Biggest mistake would be ignoring MEA and retconning it. I don't really know the company behind TW, but for what I've seen, Bioware likes to step away when things don't go their way. ME3 to Andromeda is the example I'd use. Not saying they should retcon it, just let it "cool down" so to speak. They already did that with ME3 in fact, when they released MEA. They didn't want to deal with ME3 endings, so they essentially took the "let's get the fuck away from that" approach, and changed settings to a different galaxy (which btw is not a bad thing IMO, so long as it's done right). As things are now, I personally can't see a reason why they would do a direct sequel to Andromeda. I hope you’re wrong.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 9, 2018 4:04:44 GMT
As for what the Reapers deserve, I'm just gonna shrug. They weren't ever responsible for anything in the first place. They were just some indoctrinated stooges themselves. The Reapers didn't have enough agency to be either guilty or innocent. Depends on whether or not you take Sovereign at face value. If you do, they have agency. Also, if you think it's not their fault, then Control isn't really good, either, since it takes their free will. Synthesis changes nothing in regard to their free choice since the Catalyst remains. Refusal also leaves them under Catalyst control. Any way you look at it, Destroy is the decision that stands on its own. There's no reason Sovereign would know he was an indoctrinated stooge. And I think Control's merely a wash -- if the available options are replacing one indoctrinated personality with another, the Reapers are left exactly where they were. No other option because there isn't an independent personality to restore. You can find murdering them better on the merits, sure; that aspect's a rerun of Legion's LM, isn't it?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 9, 2018 5:15:24 GMT
Depends on whether or not you take Sovereign at face value. If you do, they have agency. Also, if you think it's not their fault, then Control isn't really good, either, since it takes their free will. Synthesis changes nothing in regard to their free choice since the Catalyst remains. Refusal also leaves them under Catalyst control. Any way you look at it, Destroy is the decision that stands on its own. There's no reason Sovereign would know he was an indoctrinated stooge. And I think Control's merely a wash -- if the available options are replacing one indoctrinated personality with another, the Reapers are left exactly where they were. No other option because there isn't an independent personality to restore. You can find murdering them better on the merits, sure; that aspect's a rerun of Legion's LM, isn't it? Funny enough, Legion and the non-indoctrinated geth believed destroying the indoctrinated geth was the way to go. Take that for what it's worth.
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