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Post by helios969 on May 14, 2018 18:50:20 GMT
I sure hope the people that are going to quit playing Mass Effect games if it doesn't land your way don't forgot to leave us your Dear John letters...never got tired of reading those during the height of the ME3 ending debacle.
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Post by Ameridan on May 14, 2018 23:25:24 GMT
My hope is TOR will finish its slow death soon and Bioware Austin will get to play with Mass Effect.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 15, 2018 1:21:32 GMT
My hope is TOR will finish its slow death soon and Bioware Austin will get to play with Mass Effect. They already have experience since they helped develop some of MEA.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 15, 2018 6:34:59 GMT
I have to say, my preference is to go forward with Andromeda. It's there, just build on it and make sure it's done well. However, if returning to the MW were to become a thing, I'd still rather we have MEA2 but that it somehow ties into a return to the MW based on the ending of MEA2.
Still, like I said, I'd prefer MEA2 and further exploration of the vast, uncharted (to the AI) galaxy that awaits. It would be interesting to see how the AI handles getting around the galaxy without mass relays. Could somehow have come along who studied the relays and thinks they could be built in Andromeda? Sure, it would be a slow process, but potentially interesting.
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Post by Ameridan on May 15, 2018 15:23:11 GMT
Andromeda leaves plenty of questions unanswered so it definitely makes sense to follow on from it.
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Post by natetrace on May 15, 2018 15:58:29 GMT
It's been some time since I posted in this thread. I think at this point Andromeda is still a blank slate. Even with one game behind it, how many decisions need to carry over? Five? With a sequel they can do anything, again. It'd be easier than a post ME3 milky way setting, though as I've said before they could just push a ME4 far enough into the future to negate the endings and will probably omit refusal.
Still, another game set in Andromeda could take place 3 years later or twenty. Stay with Ryder or have us create a new main character. They have three races in Andromeda mentioned but not seen, and they could add more to that. I kind of want to see a race that's taken the remnant and fused it with their flesh, that'd be cool.
Will we be at war with the Kett, or have an uneasy peace where we still fight rogue elements who are probably secretly supported by their senate, but publicly chastised?
MEA2 is quite possible and wouldn't require a lot of carry over. They made the archives, but like DA some of that can just be there to remind you of certain decisions you made rather than have a story impact.
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Post by natetrace on May 15, 2018 16:01:16 GMT
It's been some time since I posted in this thread. I think at this point Andromeda is still a blank slate. Even with one game behind it, how many decisions need to carry over? Five? With a sequel they can do anything, again. It'd be easier than a post ME3 milky way setting, though as I've said before they could just push a ME4 far enough into the future to negate the endings and will probably omit refusal. Still, another game set in Andromeda could take place 3 years later or twenty. Stay with Ryder or have us create a new main character. They have three races in Andromeda mentioned but not seen, and they could add more to that. I kind of want to see a race that's taken the remnant and fused it with their flesh, that'd be cool. Will we be at war with the Kett, or have an uneasy peace where we still fight rogue elements who are probably secretly supported by their senate, but publicly chastised? MEA2 is quite possible and wouldn't require a lot of carry over. They made the archives, but like DA some of that can just be there to remind you of certain decisions you made rather than have a story impact. Four races mentioned but not seen. I forgot about the Jardaan.
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Post by griffith82 on May 15, 2018 17:19:35 GMT
It's been some time since I posted in this thread. I think at this point Andromeda is still a blank slate. Even with one game behind it, how many decisions need to carry over? Five? With a sequel they can do anything, again. It'd be easier than a post ME3 milky way setting, though as I've said before they could just push a ME4 far enough into the future to negate the endings and will probably omit refusal. Still, another game set in Andromeda could take place 3 years later or twenty. Stay with Ryder or have us create a new main character. They have three races in Andromeda mentioned but not seen, and they could add more to that. I kind of want to see a race that's taken the remnant and fused it with their flesh, that'd be cool. Will we be at war with the Kett, or have an uneasy peace where we still fight rogue elements who are probably secretly supported by their senate, but publicly chastised? MEA2 is quite possible and wouldn't require a lot of carry over. They made the archives, but like DA some of that can just be there to remind you of certain decisions you made rather than have a story impact. Four races mentioned but not seen. I forgot about the Jardaan. Four races? I know the Jardaan but who else?
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Post by natetrace on May 15, 2018 17:55:33 GMT
Four races mentioned but not seen. I forgot about the Jardaan. Four races? I know the Jardaan but who else? They are on the wiki and I think mentioned in datapads. Eealen, sirinde and thusali or something like that.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 16, 2018 3:43:15 GMT
It's been some time since I posted in this thread. I think at this point Andromeda is still a blank slate. Even with one game behind it, how many decisions need to carry over? Five? I think minimal decisions will carry over based on MEA. I wouldn't mind an echo of ME2 that would allow squadmates to potentially die or just not be recruited at all. This way, if you really think Liam and Peebee can't be trusted, they're expendable. Or if you like them you can keep them around.
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Post by Ahriman on May 16, 2018 8:41:17 GMT
It's been some time since I posted in this thread. I think at this point Andromeda is still a blank slate. Even with one game behind it, how many decisions need to carry over? Five? I think minimal decisions will carry over based on MEA. I wouldn't mind an echo of ME2 that would allow squadmates to potentially die or just not be recruited at all. This way, if you really think Liam and Peebee can't be trusted, they're expendable. Or if you like them you can keep them around. I might be in minority, but when I played the game I felt that majority of choices were designed to end up more or less the same in the long run. Unlike "replace all councilors with humans, because I'm Shepard, lul", for example. Exaltation facility will be destroyed sooner or later, Turian pathfinder won't be able to work for long anyway, Reyes survives no matter what, game directly tells you that AI representative is purely symbolical and so on.
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Post by helios969 on May 16, 2018 9:42:07 GMT
It's been some time since I posted in this thread. I think at this point Andromeda is still a blank slate. Even with one game behind it, how many decisions need to carry over? Five? I think minimal decisions will carry over based on MEA. I wouldn't mind an echo of ME2 that would allow squadmates to potentially die or just not be recruited at all. This way, if you really think Liam and Peebee can't be trusted, they're expendable. Or if you like them you can keep them around. This isn't intended to be hyperbole but does MEA allow you to make any meaningful choices that need to be carried over? I'm trying to think about any choice that could impact a direct sequel, but nothing really comes to mind. Maybe if you make the deal with Archon's second to avoid fighting at the end...could result in some change of dialogue in a sequel but otherwise seems superficial. I don't know.
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Post by souljahbill14 on May 16, 2018 10:43:43 GMT
I think minimal decisions will carry over based on MEA. I wouldn't mind an echo of ME2 that would allow squadmates to potentially die or just not be recruited at all. This way, if you really think Liam and Peebee can't be trusted, they're expendable. Or if you like them you can keep them around. This isn't intended to be hyperbole but does MEA allow you to make any meaningful choices that need to be carried over? I'm trying to think about any choice that could impact a direct sequel, but nothing really comes to mind. Maybe if you make the deal with Archon's second to avoid fighting at the end...could result in some change of dialogue in a sequel but otherwise seems superficial. I don't know. In retrospect, if MEA doesn’t have any, then ME1 didn’t have any either.
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Post by alanc9 on May 16, 2018 16:44:12 GMT
None that weren't retconned away. The human Council never made any sense in the first place, so good riddance.
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Post by ahglock on May 16, 2018 17:25:57 GMT
I think minimal decisions will carry over based on MEA. I wouldn't mind an echo of ME2 that would allow squadmates to potentially die or just not be recruited at all. This way, if you really think Liam and Peebee can't be trusted, they're expendable. Or if you like them you can keep them around. This isn't intended to be hyperbole but does MEA allow you to make any meaningful choices that need to be carried over? I'm trying to think about any choice that could impact a direct sequel, but nothing really comes to mind. Maybe if you make the deal with Archon's second to avoid fighting at the end...could result in some change of dialogue in a sequel but otherwise seems superficial. I don't know. Have to impact none really, could impact quite a few. Its actually pretty well done in that regard allowing them to use or hand wave almost everything and its story consistent.
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Post by griffith82 on May 16, 2018 17:45:41 GMT
None that weren't retconned away. The human Council never made any sense in the first place, so good riddance. I wouldn’t say all the decisions were retconned. You could argue the Rachni one was but definitely the Human Council one. That was clearly designed to be the biggest dick move possible and play into ME2 but I would argue that they were simply disbanded.
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Post by ahglock on May 16, 2018 18:27:04 GMT
None that weren't retconned away. The human Council never made any sense in the first place, so good riddance. I wouldn’t say all the decisions were retconned. You could argue the Rachni one was but definitely the Human Council one. That was clearly designed to be the biggest dick move possible and play into ME2 but I would argue that they were simply disbanded.
That decision still irritates me, I always wanted to push for a true multi species council as I kind of agreed with the Volus ambassador. But if i played renegade enough they argued and my Shepard was forced to agree with a all human council. I was like what my conversation options are all different flavors of I'm okay with this crap. I was ruthless not speciesist.
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Post by griffith82 on May 16, 2018 18:45:28 GMT
I wouldn’t say all the decisions were retconned. You could argue the Rachni one was but definitely the Human Council one. That was clearly designed to be the biggest dick move possible and play into ME2 but I would argue that they were simply disbanded.
That decision still irritates me, I always wanted to push for a true multi species council as I kind of agreed with the Volus ambassador. But if i played renegade enough they argued and my Shepard was forced to agree with a all human council. I was like what my conversation options are all different flavors of I'm okay with this crap. I was ruthless not speciesist.
Yeah you can even say “that’s not why I did this” but it doesn’t matter. Still not a big deal to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 0:11:53 GMT
I think minimal decisions will carry over based on MEA. I wouldn't mind an echo of ME2 that would allow squadmates to potentially die or just not be recruited at all. This way, if you really think Liam and Peebee can't be trusted, they're expendable. Or if you like them you can keep them around. This isn't intended to be hyperbole but does MEA allow you to make any meaningful choices that need to be carried over? I'm trying to think about any choice that could impact a direct sequel, but nothing really comes to mind. Maybe if you make the deal with Archon's second to avoid fighting at the end...could result in some change of dialogue in a sequel but otherwise seems superficial. I don't know. Sloane v Reyes (either could be dead, both could be alive) Krogan colony friend or foe? Akksul's fate
Is the underground lake on Eladaan secret? Did Ryder uncover Alec's secrets? Help Advent get gas or endanger their water supply?
There's probably quite a few other things that could be dealt with in a sequel - or not. Any of it could be glossed over and ignored, especially if the sequel would take us into different areas where we wouldn't really expect to run into any of those characters anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 1:29:39 GMT
This isn't intended to be hyperbole but does MEA allow you to make any meaningful choices that need to be carried over? I'm trying to think about any choice that could impact a direct sequel, but nothing really comes to mind. Maybe if you make the deal with Archon's second to avoid fighting at the end...could result in some change of dialogue in a sequel but otherwise seems superficial. I don't know. Sloane v Reyes (either could be dead, both could be alive) Krogan colony friend or foe? Akksul's fate
Is the underground lake on Eladaan secret? Did Ryder uncover Alec's secrets? Help Advent get gas or endanger their water supply?
There's probably quite a few other things that could be dealt with in a sequel - or not. Any of it could be glossed over and ignored, especially if the sequel would take us into different areas where we wouldn't really expect to run into any of those characters anyway.
Additionals: 1) Any of the council candidates selected could have an impact. For example, if you pick Bradley, you're likely pulling him away from being able to run the outpost on Eos, which could be written up as a significant change depending on the personality of the person who takes over from him. If you select Morda, then whoever takes her position over could have an impact. 2) Did you allow the Outcasts to keep the formula for Oblivion or return it to Dr. Nakamoto? 3) Did you do the Remnant Tiller quest to ensure a H-3 Helium fuel supply for the Initiative? 4) Did you allow the Angaran scientist to continue her studies on the Yevara? 5) Did you destroy the Angaran AI, give it to the Angara, or keep it for the Initiative? 6) Did you rescue both the Turian and Asari arks, or rescue either one of them, or not rescue either of them. 7) Did you kill Kalinda and recover the Remnant device or let PeeBee rescue her and let the Remnant device fall into the lava?... or did you not do the quest at all? 8) Did you let Mashal continue interrogating the Kett in order to find her family (any apparently minor character can be written into a more "important" role in a future game... and Bioware has done that before... for example, the reappearance made by Conrad Verner and Jenna in ME3).
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Post by dmc1001 on May 17, 2018 4:59:10 GMT
None that weren't retconned away. The human Council never made any sense in the first place, so good riddance. I wouldn’t say all the decisions were retconned. You could argue the Rachni one was but definitely the Human Council one. That was clearly designed to be the biggest dick move possible and play into ME2 but I would argue that they were simply disbanded. The rachni decision was decidedly NOT retconned. What we got was an indoctrinated clone that turns on you vs the real queen who actually agrees to help you and means it. The all human Council was a stupid idea. Best case scenario had they kept it was that the entire galaxy would rebel against humanity and we'd lose.
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Post by helios969 on May 17, 2018 8:44:39 GMT
This isn't intended to be hyperbole but does MEA allow you to make any meaningful choices that need to be carried over? I'm trying to think about any choice that could impact a direct sequel, but nothing really comes to mind. Maybe if you make the deal with Archon's second to avoid fighting at the end...could result in some change of dialogue in a sequel but otherwise seems superficial. I don't know. Sloane v Reyes (either could be dead, both could be alive) Krogan colony friend or foe? Akksul's fate
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There's probably quite a few other things that could be dealt with in a sequel - or not. Any of it could be glossed over and ignored, especially if the sequel would take us into different areas where we wouldn't really expect to run into any of those characters anyway.
Akksul, or more specifically the Roekaar could be a good one to follow. That one could be tied together with selecting the Moshae or not in how much animosity develops between the AI races and the Angaran. The Krogan colony would fall into the same sort of thing. Both have longer term ramifications so if Bio timeskipped ahead both threads could still effect stability and overall relations.
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Post by griffith82 on May 17, 2018 10:01:05 GMT
I wouldn’t say all the decisions were retconned. You could argue the Rachni one was but definitely the Human Council one. That was clearly designed to be the biggest dick move possible and play into ME2 but I would argue that they were simply disbanded. The rachni decision was decidedly NOT retconned. What we got was an indoctrinated clone that turns on you vs the real queen who actually agrees to help you and means it. The all human Council was a stupid idea. Best case scenario had they kept it was that the entire galaxy would rebel against humanity and we'd lose. Pretty much. The human council idea was too Palpatine like.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 17, 2018 17:33:17 GMT
I mentioned earlier about something related to new mass relays built in Andromeda. Just got to the part where Suvi explains we knew about the planets in Andromeda because the geth rebuilt a relay into a telescope. We don't know why they did it but apparently they shared that information with the AI. What if the tech for relays was also shared? Could be a way to have them in Andromeda.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 18, 2018 16:02:31 GMT
I wouldn’t say all the decisions were retconned. You could argue the Rachni one was but definitely the Human Council one. That was clearly designed to be the biggest dick move possible and play into ME2 but I would argue that they were simply disbanded. The rachni decision was decidedly NOT retconned. What we got was an indoctrinated clone that turns on you vs the real queen who actually agrees to help you and means it. The all human Council was a stupid idea. Best case scenario had they kept it was that the entire galaxy would rebel against humanity and we'd lose. Then the fools shall experience the full power of the Dark Side!: *walks away laughing like Darth Sidious*
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