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Post by dmc1001 on May 18, 2018 16:08:12 GMT
The rachni decision was decidedly NOT retconned. What we got was an indoctrinated clone that turns on you vs the real queen who actually agrees to help you and means it. The all human Council was a stupid idea. Best case scenario had they kept it was that the entire galaxy would rebel against humanity and we'd lose. Then the fools shall experience the full power of the Dark Side!: *walks away laughing like Darth Sidious* Is that Udina?
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 18, 2018 16:14:26 GMT
Then the fools shall experience the full power of the Dark Side!: *walks away laughing like Darth Sidious* Is that Udina? Maybe. 😎
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Post by dmc1001 on May 18, 2018 18:54:26 GMT
Now that I look at it again...Udina vs Anderson!
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Post by Princess Trejo on May 18, 2018 20:09:02 GMT
A flashback prequel would be nice. Maybe a story about the origin of the Initiative, the departure of the Arks, Nexus uprising, the ability to play as an exile or Nexus soldier. And no Ryder sibling crap.
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Post by griffith82 on May 18, 2018 23:01:10 GMT
A flashback prequel would be nice. Maybe a story about the origin of the Initiative, the departure of the Arks, Nexus uprising, the ability to play as an exile or Nexus soldier. And no Ryder sibling crap.
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Post by SwobyJ on May 22, 2018 2:39:45 GMT
I wouldn’t say all the decisions were retconned. You could argue the Rachni one was but definitely the Human Council one. That was clearly designed to be the biggest dick move possible and play into ME2 but I would argue that they were simply disbanded. The rachni decision was decidedly NOT retconned. What we got was an indoctrinated clone that turns on you vs the real queen who actually agrees to help you and means it. The all human Council was a stupid idea. Best case scenario had they kept it was that the entire galaxy would rebel against humanity and we'd lose. I was all for the all-human Council option. Not for my main RP, no haha, but as a legitimate outcome. It would be as an announced temporary military dictatorship that takes advantage of the political chaos and with too much (not everything, but enough) tied into the Citadel, the other races very grudgingly going along with it for now. Add in all sorts of reports like social friction, smaller scale attempts to retake the Citadel, squabbling between peoples (not just involving Humans), and states arming up much more than otherwise (something we could consider in the longer term to be relatively useful against the Reapers). It would be a blatant power grab by Udina but I got the impression in the ME1 setting that there were plenty enough Humans that wanted this powergrab and plenty enough aliens with rational enough reasons to already be concerned about such events. Shepard wouldn't be as excited about it, but they would at least be into Humans, and maybe therefore Shepard themselves, having more authority in the fight. I wanted three possibilities: 1) Same Council, the rudest the longest but you could eventually win them over (more than the MET actually lets us) and they might end up the most grateful after the long RP slog. 2) Changed Council, nicer but more aloof, and while giving easier help sooner, and generally agreeable, locks off access to greatest trilogy rewards (whether just story gratefulness or otherwise gameplay rewards). 3) Human Council, initially totally on your side but as the strain gets to them through the trilogy, even they will inevitably be antagonistic to you, eventually where only your best efforts keep them from trying to kill you. That's a lot more roleplaying than we got, but this is what I'd have liked. There would still be the established factors of there being a Council and you only having a resolved relationship with them by the end of the trilogy, but we'd have variety as the trilogy continued. ME1 would end with the death or survival of the Council and if dead, what replaces them. ME2 would end with a helped or hurt relationship with whatever Council exists. And ME3 locks in what your situation with them is (with less variety if you're playing ME3 fresh). The nicest situation being the Same Council finally waking up and including Shepard as even an equal. The nastiest situation being the Human Council deciding that in the uniting of the galaxy you're dangerous enough to their own condition (whether during war or post-war) that taking you out of the picture is in their own selfish interests. Technically you could have All Human Council that you soften in their approach but they are innately out for a quasi human supremacy ('temporary' or not) no matter what. I think these options would also make the writing of 'joining/working with Cerberus' more understandable for more Shepards.
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Post by SwobyJ on May 22, 2018 2:46:13 GMT
I mentioned earlier about something related to new mass relays built in Andromeda. Just got to the part where Suvi explains we knew about the planets in Andromeda because the geth rebuilt a relay into a telescope. We don't know why they did it but apparently they shared that information with the AI. What if the tech for relays was also shared? Could be a way to have them in Andromeda. I think they have a lot planned or at least hoped for with the Geth. I have mixed feelings about the idea of so many peoples surviving ME3, but its not just negative. In the end, I'm okay with wartime decisions not necessarily meaning that absolutely all of a civilized species or line of creations (geth) being destroyed. But part of this is a dream to have a built up Andromedan civilization heading back to Milky Way and seeing what a mess its become in some ways.
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Post by Ahriman on May 22, 2018 7:38:15 GMT
The rachni decision was decidedly NOT retconned. What we got was an indoctrinated clone that turns on you vs the real queen who actually agrees to help you and means it. The all human Council was a stupid idea. Best case scenario had they kept it was that the entire galaxy would rebel against humanity and we'd lose. I was all for the all-human Council option. Not for my main RP, no haha, but as a legitimate outcome. It would be as an announced temporary military dictatorship that takes advantage of the political chaos and with too much (not everything, but enough) tied into the Citadel, the other races very grudgingly going along with it for now. There were literally zero reasons for them to go along with it. Humanity would end up with genophage 2.0 a month later in most peaceful course of events.
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Post by griffith82 on May 22, 2018 12:41:39 GMT
I was all for the all-human Council option. Not for my main RP, no haha, but as a legitimate outcome. It would be as an announced temporary military dictatorship that takes advantage of the political chaos and with too much (not everything, but enough) tied into the Citadel, the other races very grudgingly going along with it for now. There were literally zero reasons for them to go along with it. Humanity would end up with genophage 2.0 a month later in most peaceful course of events. That would be the most “peaceful” outcome. Most likely 10x worse. Think Hiroshima but on a galactic scale. There’s already plenty of evidence of dissent on the Citadel if you let them die.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 22, 2018 14:22:00 GMT
I was all for the all-human Council option. Not for my main RP, no haha, but as a legitimate outcome. It would be as an announced temporary military dictatorship that takes advantage of the political chaos and with too much (not everything, but enough) tied into the Citadel, the other races very grudgingly going along with it for now. There were literally zero reasons for them to go along with it. Humanity would end up with genophage 2.0 a month later in most peaceful course of events. The Council races sure do love their slow extinction, genocidal bioweapons...
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Post by dmc1001 on May 26, 2018 7:09:03 GMT
There were literally zero reasons for them to go along with it. Humanity would end up with genophage 2.0 a month later in most peaceful course of events. The Council races sure do love their slow extinction, genocidal bioweapons... It's not even kinder. It's horrific to slowly watch your race go extinct over time.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 26, 2018 9:12:44 GMT
The Council races sure do love their slow extinction, genocidal bioweapons... It's not even kinder. It's horrific to slowly watch your race go extinct over time. Indeed, and the Council races call themselves "a peaceful galactic power."😒
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Post by dmc1001 on May 26, 2018 17:43:52 GMT
It's not even kinder. It's horrific to slowly watch your race go extinct over time. Indeed, and the Council races call themselves "a peaceful galactic power."😒 So peaceful that they don't even want to fight the Reapers...
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Post by Lebanese Dude on May 27, 2018 13:08:00 GMT
I'd like it to continue the Ryder/MEA story if possible, but I wonder if the brand has been rendered toxic by the player base (and the many, many memelords who never played it).
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Post by griffith82 on May 27, 2018 19:52:05 GMT
I'd like it to continue the Ryder/MEA story if possible, but I wonder if the brand has been rendered toxic by the player base (and the many, many memelords who never played it). If memes can’t kill Star Wars.....
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Post by warden on May 27, 2018 20:29:55 GMT
I'd like to play a character from the Turian race. No need to go Dragon Age route, just make a Turian player character.
Turians the holy race.
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Post by griffith82 on May 28, 2018 1:47:17 GMT
I'd like to play a character from the Turian race. No need to go Dragon Age route, just make a Turian player character. Turians the holy race. I can’t see that being feasible with ME. It’s doable in Dragon Age because it’s not a self contained story. Now I’d be fine with it as a side game (think DA Awakening) but not part of the main series.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 28, 2018 1:54:27 GMT
I'd like to play a character from the Turian race. No need to go Dragon Age route, just make a Turian player character. Turians the holy race. I can’t see that being feasible with ME. It’s doable in Dragon Age because it’s not a self contained story. Now I’d be fine with it as a side game (think DA Awakening) but not part of the main series. How would it be any less feasible than having the protagonist be human?
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Post by griffith82 on May 28, 2018 3:06:40 GMT
I can’t see that being feasible with ME. It’s doable in Dragon Age because it’s not a self contained story. Now I’d be fine with it as a side game (think DA Awakening) but not part of the main series. How would it be any less feasible than having the protagonist be human? I just don’t see a story line that would make sense. It would have to be well done and I’m just not sure what they would do. First Contact War? Turian expansion story? It would have to be an all new plot but only way I see it is as a prequel and I’m not sure it would work.
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Post by colfoley on May 28, 2018 23:16:39 GMT
Plus ME has always been human centric. It's a staple of the franchise.
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Post by Phantom on May 29, 2018 0:26:16 GMT
Indeed, and the Council races call themselves "a peaceful galactic power."😒 So peaceful that they don't even want to fight the Reapers... well it would be funny if Bioware developed a Faction that actually influenced the Council to be so peaceful and diplomatic that they don't want to fight the Reapers. and funny doubly so if they used my joke faction, "Paragon of Our Kind" for that faction's name. If they actually use it, an darker aspect of it that that faction actually think it is a good idea to use a Genophage on the Humans and campaign peacefully for it due to they believe that Humans are too powerful for their own good and making Humans third class citizens. To The Warden, if the story is good, and game mechanics are sound, why not have a Turian hero of any faction or independent. IF I can think a Cerberus Phantom game might work, I do think a Turian game have equal or greater chance of Working. No matter what, I want a solid Mass Effect game of any galaxy to help out Bioware. A good Mass Effect game is worth every penny. Yes If asked for voting an Andromeda game with a Ryder lead, I would.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 29, 2018 7:18:46 GMT
So peaceful that they don't even want to fight the Reapers... well it would be funny if Bioware developed a Faction that actually influenced the Council to be so peaceful and diplomatic that they don't want to fight the Reapers. and funny doubly so if they used my joke faction, "Paragon of Our Kind" for that faction's name. Well, we know Saren, Dr. Kenson (and team), and TIM (and Cerberus) were all indoctrinated. It almost would have been better if Cerberus turned about to be the "good guys" in ME3 fighting against the indoctrinated Council. Meanwhile, the Alliance suspected they were indoctrinated and began work on the Crucible on their own but with the help of certain factions like the STG, Asari Commandos/Huntresses, the krogan, the rachni and some turian faction started by Garrus. This would make the idiocy of the Council make sense. Similarly, while Cerberus would continue to be terrorists in some capacity (methodology) they would continue with the goals set forth in ME2.
Just ideas kicking around in my head but imagine A/K finding that working with Cerberus made sense after Horizon in ME2?
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Post by Phantom on May 29, 2018 12:36:34 GMT
well it would be funny if Bioware developed a Faction that actually influenced the Council to be so peaceful and diplomatic that they don't want to fight the Reapers. and funny doubly so if they used my joke faction, "Paragon of Our Kind" for that faction's name. Well, we know Saren, Dr. Kenson (and team), and TIM (and Cerberus) were all indoctrinated. It almost would have been better if Cerberus turned about to be the "good guys" in ME3 fighting against the indoctrinated Council. Meanwhile, the Alliance suspected they were indoctrinated and began work on the Crucible on their own but with the help of certain factions like the STG, Asari Commandos/Huntresses, the krogan, the rachni and some turian faction started by Garrus. This would make the idiocy of the Council make sense. Similarly, while Cerberus would continue to be terrorists in some capacity (methodology) they would continue with the goals set forth in ME2.
Just ideas kicking around in my head but imagine A/K finding that working with Cerberus made sense after Horizon in ME2?
Well those are very good ideas if they ever do a soft reboot of Mass Effect trilogy. Kaiden would be too nice to work for Cerberus. Jacob has a harder edge on him compared to Kaiden that is one of the reasons that Jacob fits within Cerberus over Kaiden. Kaiden is a type of Soldier that would be good on a diplomatic mission with other species to have a working relationship.
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Post by griffith82 on May 29, 2018 13:22:14 GMT
well it would be funny if Bioware developed a Faction that actually influenced the Council to be so peaceful and diplomatic that they don't want to fight the Reapers. and funny doubly so if they used my joke faction, "Paragon of Our Kind" for that faction's name. Well, we know Saren, Dr. Kenson (and team), and TIM (and Cerberus) were all indoctrinated. It almost would have been better if Cerberus turned about to be the "good guys" in ME3 fighting against the indoctrinated Council. Meanwhile, the Alliance suspected they were indoctrinated and began work on the Crucible on their own but with the help of certain factions like the STG, Asari Commandos/Huntresses, the krogan, the rachni and some turian faction started by Garrus. This would make the idiocy of the Council make sense. Similarly, while Cerberus would continue to be terrorists in some capacity (methodology) they would continue with the goals set forth in ME2.
Just ideas kicking around in my head but imagine A/K finding that working with Cerberus made sense after Horizon in ME2?
While I agree the council was really stupid and dragging their heels Shep said it well in ME1. Something like if they were human I’d call it human nature. Real life politics aren’t much better.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 29, 2018 13:54:42 GMT
Well, we know Saren, Dr. Kenson (and team), and TIM (and Cerberus) were all indoctrinated. It almost would have been better if Cerberus turned about to be the "good guys" in ME3 fighting against the indoctrinated Council. Meanwhile, the Alliance suspected they were indoctrinated and began work on the Crucible on their own but with the help of certain factions like the STG, Asari Commandos/Huntresses, the krogan, the rachni and some turian faction started by Garrus. This would make the idiocy of the Council make sense. Similarly, while Cerberus would continue to be terrorists in some capacity (methodology) they would continue with the goals set forth in ME2.
Just ideas kicking around in my head but imagine A/K finding that working with Cerberus made sense after Horizon in ME2?
While I agree the council was really stupid and dragging their heels Shep said it well in ME1. Something like if they were human I’d call it human nature. Real life politics aren’t much better. Sure, maybe in the lead up to fighting the geth and Sovereign in ME1 it could make sense. But in ME2 and ME3? That's stretching credulity. Indoctrination makes more sense.
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