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Post by Phantom on May 29, 2018 13:58:23 GMT
i would have that the entire Citadel to be a passive indoctrination booster to encourage behavior that quickly induce quicker indoctrination as a part of Reapers plans.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 29, 2018 14:09:16 GMT
well it would be funny if Bioware developed a Faction that actually influenced the Council to be so peaceful and diplomatic that they don't want to fight the Reapers. and funny doubly so if they used my joke faction, "Paragon of Our Kind" for that faction's name. Well, we know Saren, Dr. Kenson (and team), and TIM (and Cerberus) were all indoctrinated. It almost would have been better if Cerberus turned about to be the "good guys" in ME3 fighting against the indoctrinated Council. Meanwhile, the Alliance suspected they were indoctrinated and began work on the Crucible on their own but with the help of certain factions like the STG, Asari Commandos/Huntresses, the krogan, the rachni and some turian faction started by Garrus. This would make the idiocy of the Council make sense. Similarly, while Cerberus would continue to be terrorists in some capacity (methodology) they would continue with the goals set forth in ME2.
Just ideas kicking around in my head but imagine A/K finding that working with Cerberus made sense after Horizon in ME2?
Way better then the whole cheap Hydra/Cobra ripoff that Supermac turned Cerberus into.
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Post by SofNascimento on May 29, 2018 15:45:48 GMT
I'd like it to continue the Ryder/MEA story if possible, but I wonder if the brand has been rendered toxic by the player base (and the many, many memelords who never played it). Andromeda was rendered toxic by itself. The internet didn't help certainly, but the game massive failure is its own fault. Now, even if Andromeda is better forgotten, Mass Effect still carry weight. It will probably be reboot somewhere down the line simarly to Doom or Prey.
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Post by griffith82 on May 29, 2018 16:03:43 GMT
While I agree the council was really stupid and dragging their heels Shep said it well in ME1. Something like if they were human I’d call it human nature. Real life politics aren’t much better. Sure, maybe in the lead up to fighting the geth and Sovereign in ME1 it could make sense. But in ME2 and ME3? That's stretching credulity. Indoctrination makes more sense. ME2 they are trying to recover and don’t want to admit the truth. Easier to blame it on the Geth than a faceless enemy. ME3? They were running scared. Typical political BS. Oh and I hate the IT theory.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 29, 2018 20:03:56 GMT
Typical political BS. Oh and I hate the IT theory. You and me both. I can see where they're coming from - in some aspects - but it's ultimately a failure. If nothing else, IT leaves us with no ending.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 13:55:33 GMT
Typical political BS. Oh and I hate the IT theory. You and me both. I can see where they're coming from - in some aspects - but it's ultimately a failure. If nothing else, IT leaves us with no ending. Game files say you did defeat the Reapers. There's nothing in there about "resisting" indoctrination and having some DLC or future game finish it off. I'll have to dig it up, but yeah. It's vague about how it happened, but there is foreshadowing to support it (hint: Geth Consensus level, talking to Legion about "interfacing with a Reaper").
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Post by dmc1001 on May 30, 2018 17:28:29 GMT
You and me both. I can see where they're coming from - in some aspects - but it's ultimately a failure. If nothing else, IT leaves us with no ending. Game files say you did defeat the Reapers. There's nothing in there about "resisting" indoctrination and having some DLC or future game finish it off. I'll have to dig it up, but yeah. It's vague about how it happened, but there is foreshadowing to support it (hint: Geth Consensus level, talking to Legion about "interfacing with a Reaper"). Wouldn't interfacing with a Reaper just be the Control ending?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 13:18:51 GMT
Game files say you did defeat the Reapers. There's nothing in there about "resisting" indoctrination and having some DLC or future game finish it off. I'll have to dig it up, but yeah. It's vague about how it happened, but there is foreshadowing to support it (hint: Geth Consensus level, talking to Legion about "interfacing with a Reaper"). Wouldn't interfacing with a Reaper just be the Control ending? Difference is you don't interface with them, they interface with you. Shepard's "implants" were actually parts of Sovereign recovered from the Citadel. They have control over your sensory inputs.
Under the control ending, it's may be Shepard's body, but Harbinger's words. Same thing happened with Saren at the end of ME1, when Sovereign spoke through Saren stating "I am Sovereign, and this station is mine"! Or in ME2, it may have been the Collectors or the Collector General's body, but it was Harbinger speaking through it.
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Post by griffith82 on May 31, 2018 14:07:03 GMT
Wouldn't interfacing with a Reaper just be the Control ending? Difference is you don't interface with them, they interface with you. Shepard's "implants" were actually parts of Sovereign recovered from the Citadel. They have control over your sensory inputs.
Under the control ending, it's may be Shepard's body, but Harbinger's words. Same thing happened with Saren at the end of ME1, when Sovereign spoke through Saren stating "I am Sovereign, and this station is mine"! Or in ME2, it may have been the Collectors or the Collector General's body, but it was Harbinger speaking through it.
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Post by Ascend on May 31, 2018 14:38:46 GMT
Honestly... I'd prefer we see a proper remake/reboot of the trilogy first. It will put Andromeda on the side for a while, and then they can simply continue the Andromeda story. The only thing I'm afraid of if they reboot, is that they can ruin some key moments that should be left completely untouched (aside from the obvious graphics/animation upgrades).
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Post by griffith82 on May 31, 2018 17:03:11 GMT
Honestly... I'd prefer we see a proper remake/reboot of the trilogy first. It will put Andromeda on the side for a while, and then they can simply continue the Andromeda story. The only thing I'm afraid of if they reboot, is that they can ruin some key moments that should be left completely untouched (aside from the obvious graphics/animation upgrades). Not me. Leave the OT alone. IMHO.
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Post by themikefest on May 31, 2018 17:08:13 GMT
Honestly... I'd prefer we see a proper remake/reboot of the trilogy first. It will put Andromeda on the side for a while, and then they can simply continue the Andromeda story. The only thing I'm afraid of if they reboot, is that they can ruin some key moments that should be left completely untouched (aside from the obvious graphics/animation upgrades). I have nothing against a reboot/remake of the trilogy. My preference is for a sequel to ME3 with Shepard returning so that he/she can have a chance to beat Sam at chess, give Garrus an opportunity to win at shooting bottles, if he lost, and for Vega to top Shepard's number of pullups.
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Post by Ascend on May 31, 2018 20:47:43 GMT
Honestly... I'd prefer we see a proper remake/reboot of the trilogy first. It will put Andromeda on the side for a while, and then they can simply continue the Andromeda story. The only thing I'm afraid of if they reboot, is that they can ruin some key moments that should be left completely untouched (aside from the obvious graphics/animation upgrades). Not me. Leave the OT alone. IMHO. Really? Wouldn't you want ME1 without all the bugs and Andromeda-like gameplay (as in a Mako that drives well and good variety in combat builds)? Wouldn't you want ME3 without endless fetch quests, a non-rushed ending and eliminated plot holes from the trilogy (Dark energy, I'm looking at you)? Question. Is ME2 the first Mass Effect game that you played? In any case, I was hoping that Andromeda would have the best things from all the prior games... But it didn't achieve that. So my hope for the next game is that it is able to capitalize on all the good points of each game. That would be; From ME1: - Sense of scale (still felt bigger to me than Andromeda) - Immersion (No automatic departure from planet when entering the ship, for example. That still annoys me from all the sequels) - Story/Plot structure From ME2: - Ending - Characters - Side quests From ME3: - Emotional impact - Variety of consequences - DLC quality (You know they're gonna do it anyway, so might is well do it like ME3) From MEA: - Exploration - Gameplay - Cinematics (particularly the first 10-ish hours) - Banter system
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 1, 2018 4:36:48 GMT
Honestly... I'd prefer we see a proper remake/reboot of the trilogy first. It will put Andromeda on the side for a while, and then they can simply continue the Andromeda story. The only thing I'm afraid of if they reboot, is that they can ruin some key moments that should be left completely untouched (aside from the obvious graphics/animation upgrades). Not me. Leave the OT alone. IMHO. I'm totally with you on this one. I can't even imagine the ways they'll fuck it up. Nah, leave it as is, imperfections and all. Loot crates for the remastered MET? I have no doubt it would be a thing.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 1, 2018 4:39:36 GMT
Honestly... I'd prefer we see a proper remake/reboot of the trilogy first. It will put Andromeda on the side for a while, and then they can simply continue the Andromeda story. The only thing I'm afraid of if they reboot, is that they can ruin some key moments that should be left completely untouched (aside from the obvious graphics/animation upgrades). I have nothing against a reboot/remake of the trilogy. My preference is for a sequel to ME3 with Shepard returning so that he/she can have a chance to beat Sam at chess, give Garrus an opportunity to win at shooting bottles, if he lost, and for Vega to top Shepard's number of pullups. Beat Sam at chess USING PETROVSKI'S CHESS BOARD!! Yes, I'm slightly bitter that we couldn't use it after going to all that trouble to get it. Offing that bastard was a plus because he was so smug in thinking he'd have a comfortable life as an Alliance prisoner. Even my Paragon Shepard was fed up with it, seeing him turn citizens into monstrosities.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 1, 2018 11:22:37 GMT
I like Petrovsky. I let him live.
I do agree that it sucks that Shepard couldn't ask Samantha to come up to the cabin to play chess to show off the chessboard received from the dlc.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 3, 2018 3:02:51 GMT
Not me. Leave the OT alone. IMHO. Really? Wouldn't you want ME1 without all the bugs and Andromeda-like gameplay (as in a Mako that drives well and good variety in combat builds)? Wouldn't you want ME3 without endless fetch quests, a non-rushed ending and eliminated plot holes from the trilogy (Dark energy, I'm looking at you)? Question. Is ME2 the first Mass Effect game that you played? In any case, I was hoping that Andromeda would have the best things from all the prior games... But it didn't achieve that. So my hope for the next game is that it is able to capitalize on all the good points of each game. That would be; From ME1: - Sense of scale (still felt bigger to me than Andromeda) - Immersion (No automatic departure from planet when entering the ship, for example. That still annoys me from all the sequels) - Story/Plot structure From ME2: - Ending - Characters - Side quests From ME3: - Emotional impact - Variety of consequences - DLC quality (You know they're gonna do it anyway, so might is well do it like ME3) From MEA: - Exploration - Gameplay - Cinematics (particularly the first 10-ish hours) - Banter system First no I played ME 1 back when it first launched on the 360. Also I enjoyed it as is but any issues would require a full remake and the issues aren’t enough to make it a bad game. I didn’t see any glaring plot holes with ME3, and I had no issues with the so called fetch quests. Also the Dark Energy plot was terrible. I thought MEA hitcalk the right notes and did everything right.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 3, 2018 4:20:03 GMT
Really? Wouldn't you want ME1 without all the bugs and Andromeda-like gameplay (as in a Mako that drives well and good variety in combat builds)? Wouldn't you want ME3 without endless fetch quests, a non-rushed ending and eliminated plot holes from the trilogy (Dark energy, I'm looking at you)? And loot crates. Don't forget those because they'll surely be in any remaster. It'll suck the fun right out of it. Imagine having to buy the Colossus armor or N7 weapons. Well, sure, technically you could eventually get them on your own but it would be on Ilos or something. So, no, I have zero interest in a remaster.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 3, 2018 4:30:00 GMT
First no I played ME 1 back when it first launched on the 360. Also I enjoyed it as is but any issues would require a full remake and the issues aren’t enough to make it a bad game. I didn’t see any glaring plot holes with ME3, and I had no issues with the so called fetch quests. Also the Dark Energy plot was terrible. I thought MEA hitcalk the right notes and did everything right. Same. They hardly even felt like fetch quests. You just found all sorts of random stuff through - gasp! - exploration! OMG, that's terrible! Sure, the keeper scanning was something but it's impact in ME2 was minimal (and non-existent in ME3). Tbh, I rather liked having to plan out skill sets rather than minimize them into a few select things some devs felt were important. ME1 had more of an RPG with tailoring your character that drifted away by ME2. And while MEA implemented it to an extent it didn't do enough to minimize making your character ultra-powerful in a NG+. Even ME2 was smart enough to give you a boost but not overpower your character. Yeah, the dark energy plot went nowhere. Well, that stuff happens in games. Removing it from ME2 would require entirely reworking Tali's recruitment mission. No thanks. As for the Mako, the planets had a hell of a lot of sheer walls to climb which was why it was difficult. Ftr, wherever those appeared in MEA, the Nomad behaved no better than the Mako. But the Mako had guns so it wins.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 5:53:11 GMT
Honestly... I'd prefer we see a proper remake/reboot of the trilogy first. It will put Andromeda on the side for a while, and then they can simply continue the Andromeda story. The only thing I'm afraid of if they reboot, is that they can ruin some key moments that should be left completely untouched (aside from the obvious graphics/animation upgrades). I have nothing against a reboot/remake of the trilogy. My preference is for a sequel to ME3 with Shepard returning so that he/she can have a chance to beat Sam at chess, give Garrus an opportunity to win at shooting bottles, if he lost, and for Vega to top Shepard's number of pullups. Nooo! It should be the other way aroun—oh, wait—nevermind.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 3, 2018 8:09:25 GMT
See this kick ass Colossus armor from ME1? It's difficult to find, particularly at higher levels. In the remaster it will cost $$$$$. Can't wait for that.
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Post by melbella on Jun 3, 2018 15:47:38 GMT
Yeah, the dark energy plot went nowhere. Well, that stuff happens in games. Removing it from ME2 would require entirely reworking Tali's recruitment mission. No thanks. Not really. They'd only have to change her reason for being there - to spy on the geth and collect any data they may have stored. The quarians are thinking about preparing for war, right? That means they need intel on the enemy they're planning to attack. That would make way more sense than the sun thing anyway. Sending Tali into hostile geth territory to get sun readings that no one cares about is just one more dumb move by the Admiralty Board.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 3, 2018 18:06:08 GMT
Really? Wouldn't you want ME1 without all the bugs and Andromeda-like gameplay (as in a Mako that drives well and good variety in combat builds)? Wouldn't you want ME3 without endless fetch quests, a non-rushed ending and eliminated plot holes from the trilogy (Dark energy, I'm looking at you)? And loot crates. Don't forget those because they'll surely be in any remaster. It'll suck the fun right out of it. Imagine having to buy the Colossus armor or N7 weapons. Well, sure, technically you could eventually get them on your own but it would be on Ilos or something. So, no, I have zero interest in a remaster. I'd just play through with whatever the game gave me; I doubt I'd even notice that I didn't get the best stuff if I didn't get it. I wouldn't want to get Colossus stuff before Ilos anyway. I like upgrading stuff, and having the mechanism go away at the 2/3 mark or so wouldn't make the game better for me.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 3, 2018 18:10:45 GMT
Yeah, the dark energy plot went nowhere. Well, that stuff happens in games. Removing it from ME2 would require entirely reworking Tali's recruitment mission. No thanks. Not really. They'd only have to change her reason for being there - to spy on the geth and collect any data they may have stored. The quarians are thinking about preparing for war, right? That means they need intel on the enemy they're planning to attack. That would make way more sense than the sun thing anyway. Sending Tali into hostile geth territory to get sun readings that no one cares about is just one more dumb move by the Admiralty Board. The dark energy plot was really stupid. I didn’t mind it in ME 2 but where Mac would have taken it was really dumb.
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Post by warden on Jun 3, 2018 20:14:39 GMT
Not really. They'd only have to change her reason for being there - to spy on the geth and collect any data they may have stored. The quarians are thinking about preparing for war, right? That means they need intel on the enemy they're planning to attack. That would make way more sense than the sun thing anyway. Sending Tali into hostile geth territory to get sun readings that no one cares about is just one more dumb move by the Admiralty Board. The dark energy plot was really stupid. I didn’t mind it in ME 2 but where Mac would have taken it was really dumb. Well it's not like ME3 plot was any better, in fact was worst than the dark energy. Well the dark energy plot had interesting features and more logic to be honest. Who is Mac if I may ask? the dark energy plot was made by Drew Karpyshyn (and I wouldn't say made, (from what I read from the "plot" it had the basics but was still in a concept state) and he left the company when ME2 was half in development. (If I don't recall wrong) As usual you are just being an opportunist. Anyway in the end all comes back to ME1 because they didn't have a single clue of what to do with the series. So if you start with that, nothing good can come in the future.
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