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Post by Phantom on Jul 18, 2018 15:00:16 GMT
a part of me wants have a new Player character killing Shepard(if Shepard is renegade you have to fight an indoctrinated Shepard at London; if Shepard is paragon, fighting him at the citadel) also with that, this New Player character does destroy the Citadel due to that the Reapers master plan involves the Citadel and Cruible to disable the fleets. Having one of a new villain of ME5 is Indoctrinated Liara(nothing against her; it would be out of left field)
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Post by themikefest on Jul 18, 2018 15:15:30 GMT
I have nothing against a sequel that takes place in Andromeda, though it's at the bottom of my preferred list, I would not want Ryder to return. I would like to have new characters for the game.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 18, 2018 15:22:22 GMT
I have nothing against a sequel that takes place in Andromeda, though it's at the bottom of my preferred list, I would not want Ryder to return. I would like to have new characters for the game. I hope that doesn’t happen. This isn’t Dragon Age. |
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Post by lavigne on Jul 19, 2018 10:55:51 GMT
I have nothing against a sequel that takes place in Andromeda, though it's at the bottom of my preferred list, I would not want Ryder to return. I would like to have new characters for the game. I hope that doesn’t happen. This isn’t Dragon Age. I don't see that happening. They'll run to safe ground. They have to. Another new start and flop would probably kill the series. Equally though, I don't think they'll return to Andromeda. Most likely is that it will be a MW game - if a sequel is unpalatable or unworkable then either a prequel (but not Prothean era) or a side-quel. I suspect the latter. They get to keep the familiar races and political landscape, and they have the opportunity to cameo previous characters. I could see them going for that. I just wouldn't expect anything too radical. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2018 12:34:56 GMT
I hope that doesn’t happen. This isn’t Dragon Age. I don't see that happening. They'll run to safe ground. They have to. Another new start and flop would probably kill the series. Equally though, I don't think they'll return to Andromeda. Most likely is that it will be a MW game - if a sequel is unpalatable or unworkable then either a prequel (but not Prothean era) or a side-quel. I suspect the latter. They get to keep the familiar races and political landscape, and they have the opportunity to cameo previous characters. I could see them going for that. I just wouldn't expect anything too radical. Actually imo that would kill the series more than an Andromeda sequel. In order for me to play a MW game it must be a spin off or prequel and the best idea for that is either pre Reaper war Prothean era or pre Reaper war Leviathan era. Prothean would be the best. |
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Post by lavigne on Jul 19, 2018 13:29:18 GMT
Actually imo that would kill the series more than an Andromeda sequel. In order for me to play a MW game it must be a spin off or prequel and the best idea for that is either pre Reaper war Prothean era or pre Reaper war Leviathan era. Prothean would be the best. I just can't see them going Prothean. They've shied away from playing non-Human characters before in ME, and it's difficult to see them pulling that rabbit out the hat now, when they'll be even more risk-averse. They're going to want to sell the game to the widest possible audience, not just the die-hard ME fans, hence it'll be a human character, on a human ship, yada yada yada. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 19, 2018 15:40:51 GMT
I hope that doesn’t happen. This isn’t Dragon Age. I don't see that happening. They'll run to safe ground. They have to. Another new start and flop would probably kill the series. Equally though, I don't think they'll return to Andromeda. Most likely is that it will be a MW game - if a sequel is unpalatable or unworkable then either a prequel (but not Prothean era) or a side-quel. I suspect the latter. They get to keep the familiar races and political landscape, and they have the opportunity to cameo previous characters. I could see them going for that. I just wouldn't expect anything too radical. There's nothing wrong with Ryder or the Andromeda system. For Ryder in particular, it's easy to have Ryder grow better into the Pathfinder role. Not that difficult. Still, I actually enjoyed the lighthearted tone of MEA. It was a nice break from the bleakness of the MET. |
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Post by lavigne on Jul 19, 2018 17:06:51 GMT
There's nothing wrong with Ryder or the Andromeda system. For Ryder in particular, it's easy to have Ryder grow better into the Pathfinder role. Not that difficult. Still, I actually enjoyed the lighthearted tone of MEA. It was a nice break from the bleakness of the MET. It wouldn't be my preference, but equally it wouldn't really bother me if the next game was a sequel, I would buy it. I just don't think that's where we'll be going. I think we're looking at another lengthy development period for the next game, and by the time they come back I think they'll just want to draw a line under the MEA experience and try to bring the game back to its previous levels of success. |
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Post by themikefest on Jul 19, 2018 18:24:42 GMT
There's nothing wrong with Ryder or the Andromeda system. For Ryder in particular, it's easy to have Ryder grow better into the Pathfinder role. Not that difficult. Still, I actually enjoyed the lighthearted tone of MEA. It was a nice break from the bleakness of the MET. What do you mean by better? Give more priority to the safety and security of the crew and tempest? Show that he/she has more of a backbone than what was seen in MEA? |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2018 22:30:50 GMT
There's nothing wrong with Ryder or the Andromeda system. For Ryder in particular, it's easy to have Ryder grow better into the Pathfinder role. Not that difficult. Still, I actually enjoyed the lighthearted tone of MEA. It was a nice break from the bleakness of the MET. What do you mean by better? Give more priority to the safety and security of the crew and tempest? Show that he/she has more of a backbone than what was seen in MEA? He/she showed plenty of backbone. |
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Post by themikefest on Jul 19, 2018 22:41:08 GMT
Not from what I saw in the game
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 20, 2018 3:38:25 GMT
There's nothing wrong with Ryder or the Andromeda system. For Ryder in particular, it's easy to have Ryder grow better into the Pathfinder role. Not that difficult. Still, I actually enjoyed the lighthearted tone of MEA. It was a nice break from the bleakness of the MET. What do you mean by better? Give more priority to the safety and security of the crew and tempest? Show that he/she has more of a backbone than what was seen in MEA? More or less, yes. Assume Ryder didn't know what he or she was doing. Maybe Alec even pulled some strings to get them on the Pathfinder team when they might not have otherwise have made the cut. Maybe Alec even needed them to have their roles for the time when Ellen was eventually thawed out. (All conjecture, of course.) Now Ryder has been involved in a major conflict and there's no doubt the kett are on their way. Since the kett have an empire was can assume it has far greater forces waiting to dominate the AI.
Now we're left with where we left off. A little time will have passed. The Ryder Twins will now be working together (or, if they play it smart, have them both around and doing separate missions) and preparing for the inevitable war against the kett. In the end, Ryder(s) will be spending time preparing for the kett. If I had my way, SAM would be diverted to studying Meridian and have less of a role in the daily live of the Ryders. That would force them to stand up on their own.
I think it would be a mistake to abandon the Ryders. They aren't Shepard and I believe they were meant to be something like the polar opposite of Shepard. I think that's clear because they were with the twins over Alec - who is quite a lot like Shepard. If the twins are abandoned I think this will show that BioWare has no ability to build on their own mistakes. That means anytime they have criticism they'll drop it and move on to the next thing.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 20, 2018 4:24:37 GMT
There's nothing wrong with Ryder or the Andromeda system. For Ryder in particular, it's easy to have Ryder grow better into the Pathfinder role. Not that difficult. Still, I actually enjoyed the lighthearted tone of MEA. It was a nice break from the bleakness of the MET. It wouldn't be my preference, but equally it wouldn't really bother me if the next game was a sequel, I would buy it. I just don't think that's where we'll be going. I think we're looking at another lengthy development period for the next game, and by the time they come back I think they'll just want to draw a line under the MEA experience and try to bring the game back to its previous levels of success. It doesn't please me to drop MEA but I agree that BioWare is going to do something different. |
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Post by Shinobu on Jul 20, 2018 4:29:19 GMT
What do you mean by better? Give more priority to the safety and security of the crew and tempest? Show that he/she has more of a backbone than what was seen in MEA? More or less, yes. Assume Ryder didn't know what he or she was doing. Maybe Alec even pulled some strings to get them on the Pathfinder team when they might not have otherwise have made the cut. Maybe Alec even needed them to have their roles for the time when Ellen was eventually thawed out. (All conjecture, of course.) Now Ryder has been involved in a major conflict and there's no doubt the kett are on their way. Since the kett have an empire was can assume it has far greater forces waiting to dominate the AI.
Now we're left with where we left off. A little time will have passed. The Ryder Twins will now be working together (or, if they play it smart, have them both around and doing separate missions) and preparing for the inevitable war against the kett. In the end, Ryder(s) will be spending time preparing for the kett. If I had my way, SAM would be diverted to studying Meridian and have less of a role in the daily live of the Ryders. That would force them to stand up on their own.
I think it would be a mistake to abandon the Ryders. They aren't Shepard and I believe they were meant to be something like the polar opposite of Shepard. I think that's clear because they were with the twins over Alec - who is quite a lot like Shepard. If the twins are abandoned I think this will show that BioWare has no ability to build on their own mistakes. That means anytime they have criticism they'll drop it and move on to the next thing.
Well, they did in the past drop criticized elements such as inventory, planet scanning, the Mako, and corridors only to return to them later. I hope that at this point they improve things that are criticized rather than defaulting to expunging them.
As I've said many times before, I love Tom and Fryda and want them back. Also, I want savegame importing with consequences, and that can't happen without a sequel. I think it will be doable to toughen the Ryders up and give them the option of being renegades.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 20, 2018 5:17:00 GMT
What do you mean by better? Give more priority to the safety and security of the crew and tempest? Show that he/she has more of a backbone than what was seen in MEA? He/she showed plenty of backbone. One thing ME:A teaches us is that people perceive this sort of behavior differently. You can see it in responses to the trilogy too. I find Shepard's macho bluster kind of embarrassing sometimes. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 20, 2018 5:38:05 GMT
Well, they did in the past drop criticized elements such as inventory, planet scanning, the Mako, and corridors only to return to them later. I hope that at this point they improve things that are criticized rather than defaulting to expunging them. Changing elements of a game is an enormous difference between tossing out the game entirely. |
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 20, 2018 9:46:41 GMT
It wouldn't be my preference, but equally it wouldn't really bother me if the next game was a sequel, I would buy it. I just don't think that's where we'll be going. I think we're looking at another lengthy development period for the next game, and by the time they come back I think they'll just want to draw a line under the MEA experience and try to bring the game back to its previous levels of success. It doesn't please me to drop MEA but I agree that BioWare is going to do something different. Me neither, but going back to Shepurd would kill it for me completely. We have TWINS. Two, freaking, characters to be used in the next instalments, if they go with Ryders. Could have interesting scenarios.. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 20, 2018 12:07:07 GMT
It wouldn't be my preference, but equally it wouldn't really bother me if the next game was a sequel, I would buy it. I just don't think that's where we'll be going. I think we're looking at another lengthy development period for the next game, and by the time they come back I think they'll just want to draw a line under the MEA experience and try to bring the game back to its previous levels of success. It doesn't please me to drop MEA but I agree that BioWare is going to do something different. I hope they don’t drop MEA. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 20, 2018 12:13:49 GMT
Not from what I saw in the game There were several times Ryder did. Tough decisions were all throughout the game. The Ancient A.I, saving the scouts or Salarian, the water crisis thing on Elaaden, Sacrificing Kalinda and many more. But that’s all subjective. I like Shepard but his/her attitude was grating at times. |
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Post by themikefest on Jul 20, 2018 12:55:52 GMT
More or less, yes. Assume Ryder didn't know what he or she was doing. Maybe Alec even pulled some strings to get them on the Pathfinder team when they might not have otherwise have made the cut. They made the cut the same way Kosta made the cut, they were dreamers. I have to question Alec if he looked at Kosta's background record to even consider him for the team. He does tell Ryder he was suspended x number of times. But again, he was dreamer. If I had my way, I would get rid of the sam thing. I would give the asari and Kosta squadmates the Emily Wong treatment. I would give the player the option to recruit 2 other squadmates to replace the asari and Kosta. One might be the sibling. I don't believe it would be a mistake. One of the top complaints I've read/heard about MEA was that the characters weren't interesting. That's one reason why I would want new characters for the next game, if one were to take place in Andromeda.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 20, 2018 13:51:33 GMT
More or less, yes. Assume Ryder didn't know what he or she was doing. Maybe Alec even pulled some strings to get them on the Pathfinder team when they might not have otherwise have made the cut. They made the cut the same way Kosta made the cut, they were dreamers. I have to question Alec if he looked at Kosta's background record to even consider him for the team. He does tell Ryder he was suspended x number of times. But again, he was dreamer. If I had my way, I would get rid of the sam thing. I would give the asari and Kosta squadmates the Emily Wong treatment. I would give the player the option to recruit 2 other squadmates to replace the asari and Kosta. One might be the sibling. I don't believe it would be a mistake. One of the top complaints I've read/heard about MEA was that the characters weren't interesting. That's one reason why I would want new characters for the next game, if one were to take place in Andromeda.
I wouldn’t mind if Liam was benched as I can’t stand him. I’d keep Sam and Peebee. That complaint is one I’ve never got. Especially if they are comparing the squad to the MET. Just look at ME1. The characters are way more interesting and it took 3 games to flesh out the characters in the MET. |
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Post by souljahbill14 on Jul 20, 2018 17:29:21 GMT
Yeah, if people think your squad mates in MEA are less interesting than your squad in ME1, than I’m not sure if they’ve played both games.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 20, 2018 17:37:27 GMT
It doesn't please me to drop MEA but I agree that BioWare is going to do something different. I hope they don’t drop MEA. Well I do hope that they don't drop MEA due to that it has fans. a part of me hope i don't get to write to Mass Effect due to I would make it extremely grim dark. but i would have an intense boss battle with Harbringer and remove Reaper as an Enemy from Mass Effect forever. also get to see how nightmarish dark space truly is. |
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Post by melbella on Jul 20, 2018 19:25:36 GMT
One of the top complaints I've read/heard about MEA was that the characters weren't interesting. That's one reason why I would want new characters for the next game, if one were to take place in Andromeda. And new characters would be more interesting because???? There's no guarantee a new set of 6 would be any better than the old set of 6. If the problem is the writing, writing about something different won't improve it any. The writing itself has to improve, in which case EVERYTHING will be more interesting. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 20, 2018 19:34:15 GMT
I don't believe it would be a mistake. One of the top complaints I've read/heard about MEA was that the characters weren't interesting. That's one reason why I would want new characters for the next game, if one were to take place in Andromeda. Like I said, if we go this route we're going to end up with BioWare ditching characters and concepts anytime people bitch about them. And we know that now, more than ever, the ability to complain is much greater than it's ever been in the past. You can kiss goodbye any hope of improvement. And if they brought Shepard back it would be even worse. Shepard sells. They could run Shepard games until no one cared anymore, taking a great character and driving him into the ground, basically belittling him. It's happening in Star Wars right now so don't think it couldn't happen here. It's time to move on and improve on what we have rather than dumping it. |
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