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Aug 21, 2018 22:58:08 GMT themikefest said:

And what reason is it that I don't like?

The implication that's where we'd eventually end up. As for Control my guess is from what I've seen of you, you hate every choice the catalyst gives you.

If Synthesis is where we will end up, then I see no reason to pick it now. Let it happen naturally, there's no need to force it on everyone.

I actually don't mind Paragon Control (I can headcanon the Shepalyst ordered the Reapers to self-destruct after helping to rebuild) except I don't like Shepard to die in most of my PTs.

As a result, I pick Destroy because that's been the goal from the beginning. No (good) reason to change at the last minute.

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Aug 22, 2018 0:04:48 GMT Qui-Gon GlenN7 said:

Aug 21, 2018 23:44:55 GMT griffith82 said:

Synthesis. And for the record it doesn't surprise me that you only pick destroy. I wouldn't be surprised if you use MEHEM.

This is another example of you trying (badly) to bully people for having (gasp) a different opinion than yours.

Shocking.

Synthesis may be where humanity ends up, but it most definitely is not where all life in the Galaxy will go. My cat has no interest in being a hybrid, and no reason.

If you say that Synthesis only happens to "intelligent" life, who draws that line, and does evolution stop there?

The joy you bring to parties, never seems to amaze me.

Edit: and so what if any of us use MEHEM, or whatever other mod we want? It's my game.

Odd. I don't recall saying it was wrong to use that nor did I bully anyone.

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Aug 21, 2018 23:48:43 GMT themikefest said:

Aug 21, 2018 23:44:55 GMT griffith82 said:

Synthesis. And for the record it doesn't surprise me that you only pick destroy. I wouldn't be surprised if you use MEHEM.

Oh yeah. The green crap. Hopefully I'm dead before that happens. Of course I only pick destroy. Surprise. I don't use MEHEM since I play on the ps3.

And that's your choice.

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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2018 0:54:46 GMT

The implication that's where we'd eventually end up. As for Control my guess is from what I've seen of you, you hate every choice the catalyst gives you.

If Synthesis is where we will end up, then I see no reason to pick it now. Let it happen naturally, there's no need to force it on everyone.

I actually don't mind Paragon Control (I can headcanon the Shepalyst ordered the Reapers to self-destruct after helping to rebuild) except I don't like Shepard to die in most of my PTs.

As a result, I pick Destroy because that's been the goal from the beginning. No (good) reason to change at the last minute.

True though to me synthesis is the best paragon ending.

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Aug 21, 2018 23:48:07 GMT Phantom said:

do you believe in Universal Harmony and Balance? if you like Synthesis, you might believe in Universal Harmony and Balance.

Synthesis in no way insures harmony and balance. It ends the Organic vs Synthetic war. Does it stop warfare? Does it mean that krogan still don't hate the turians and salarians? Is the Council any less a bunch of egotistical assholes? Do merc bands suddenly lay down their weapons? No, I think Synthesis only resolves one issue (and that's a maybe since it remains possible for pre-organic matter to coalesce into ORGANIC LIFE - then what?). Organic matter didn't exist at the start of the Big Bang. Somehow, stuff came together and, eventually, organic life arose. No reason to think that won't happen again and that such beings won't come into conflict with these creepy green monsters.

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Aug 21, 2018 22:58:08 GMT themikefest said:

And what reason is it that I don't like?

The implication that's where we'd eventually end up. As for Control my guess is from what I've seen of you, you hate every choice the catalyst gives you.

The thing about evolution is that it has no end. If this ancient thing claims that anything is the final evolution we know for a fact that it's lying. This is high among my reasons for not choosing Synthesis. Also, evolution isn't necessary a good outcome, just a change. There is no ultimate end, no final place to which the entire universe comes together as one. If evolution were to stop, we'd stagnate and that would be a terrible place to be. The Catalyst is a billion years old. You think it doesn't know how evolution works?

Here, read this article and the first response to it. It's pretty damn similar to what I've said. No, sorry, but that thing is lying through it's holographic teeth.

As for Control, I find it creepy. Really creepy. If I'd just survived the Reaper War I'd be scared shitless to see the Reapers roaming around, no matter how helpful they seemed to be. I'd just be waiting for them to turn on us. And I'd be looking at the husks, wondering which one of them used to be my husband/wife/son/daughter/mother/father/etc.

I'm with themikefest on this. Don't know that our reasons are the same but if I were Shepard standing there deciding what choice to make, these are the things that would run through my mind. I doubt I'd believe the thing that knows it's toast if it can't convince Shepard not to destroy it.

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Aug 22, 2018 1:04:00 GMT dmc1001 said:

The implication that's where we'd eventually end up. As for Control my guess is from what I've seen of you, you hate every choice the catalyst gives you.

The thing about evolution is that it has no end. If this ancient thing claims that anything is the final evolution we know for a fact that it's lying. This is high among my reasons for not choosing Synthesis. Also, evolution isn't necessary a good outcome, just a change. There is no ultimate end, no final place to which the entire universe comes together as one. If evolution were to stop, we'd stagnate and that would be a terrible place to be. The Catalyst is a billion years old. You think it doesn't know how evolution works?

Here, read this article and the first response to it. It's pretty damn similar to what I've said. No, sorry, but that thing is lying through it's holographic teeth.

As for Control, I find it creepy. Really creepy. If I'd just survived the Reaper War I'd be scared shitless to see the Reapers roaming around, no matter how helpful they seemed to be. I'd just be waiting for them to turn on us. And I'd be looking at the husks, wondering which one of them used to be my husband/wife/son/daughter/mother/father/etc.

I'm with themikefest on this. Don't know that our reasons are the same but if I were Shepard standing there deciding what choice to make, these are the things that would run through my mind. I doubt I'd believe the thing that knows it's toast if it can't convince Shepard not to destroy it.

We would not be surprised if it was lying about what Synthesis really does.

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Aug 22, 2018 1:16:36 GMT Son of Dorn said:

Aug 22, 2018 1:04:00 GMT dmc1001 said:

The thing about evolution is that it has no end. If this ancient thing claims that anything is the final evolution we know for a fact that it's lying. This is high among my reasons for not choosing Synthesis. Also, evolution isn't necessary a good outcome, just a change. There is no ultimate end, no final place to which the entire universe comes together as one. If evolution were to stop, we'd stagnate and that would be a terrible place to be. The Catalyst is a billion years old. You think it doesn't know how evolution works?

Here, read this article and the first response to it. It's pretty damn similar to what I've said. No, sorry, but that thing is lying through it's holographic teeth.

As for Control, I find it creepy. Really creepy. If I'd just survived the Reaper War I'd be scared shitless to see the Reapers roaming around, no matter how helpful they seemed to be. I'd just be waiting for them to turn on us. And I'd be looking at the husks, wondering which one of them used to be my husband/wife/son/daughter/mother/father/etc.

I'm with themikefest on this. Don't know that our reasons are the same but if I were Shepard standing there deciding what choice to make, these are the things that would run through my mind. I doubt I'd believe the thing that knows it's toast if it can't convince Shepard not to destroy it.

We would not be surprised if it was lying about what Synthesis really does.

You mean, like it turns everyone into Synthetic-type beings that it can then control? Yes, that's crossed my mind. Not in any serious way, but it has come to mind.

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Aug 22, 2018 0:55:11 GMT dmc1001 said:

Aug 21, 2018 23:48:07 GMT Phantom said:

do you believe in Universal Harmony and Balance? if you like Synthesis, you might believe in Universal Harmony and Balance.

Synthesis in no way insures harmony and balance. It ends the Organic vs Synthetic war. Does it stop warfare? Does it mean that krogan still don't hate the turians and salarians? Is the Council any less a bunch of egotistical assholes? Do merc bands suddenly lay down their weapons? No, I think Synthesis only resolves one issue (and that's a maybe since it remains possible for pre-organic matter to coalesce into ORGANIC LIFE - then what?). Organic matter didn't exist at the start of the Big Bang. Somehow, stuff came together and, eventually, organic life arose. No reason to think that won't happen again and that such beings won't come into conflict with these creepy green monsters.

Well People that often believe in Synthesis is a good thing are big believers that it will solve all problems thru conflict resolution thru greater means of communication thru a Higher state of conscience and being unity with all species.

Also many synthesis supporters will often believe as well it is the final evolution. With that Final Evolution will bring peace for everyone. and Rainbow farts for everyone.

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Aug 22, 2018 1:31:21 GMT dmc1001 said:

Aug 22, 2018 1:16:36 GMT Son of Dorn said:

We would not be surprised if it was lying about what Synthesis really does.

You mean, like it turns everyone into Synthetic-type beings that it can then control? Yes, that's crossed my mind. Not in any serious way, but it has come to mind.

Indeed. It and it's lackys like to use mind control as a weapon.

Edit: It would fit them to do that.

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Aug 22, 2018 0:55:11 GMT dmc1001 said:

Aug 21, 2018 23:48:07 GMT Phantom said:

do you believe in Universal Harmony and Balance? if you like Synthesis, you might believe in Universal Harmony and Balance.

Synthesis in no way insures harmony and balance. It ends the Organic vs Synthetic war. Does it stop warfare? Does it mean that krogan still don't hate the turians and salarians? Is the Council any less a bunch of egotistical assholes? Do merc bands suddenly lay down their weapons? No, I think Synthesis only resolves one issue (and that's a maybe since it remains possible for pre-organic matter to coalesce into ORGANIC LIFE - then what?). Organic matter didn't exist at the start of the Big Bang. Somehow, stuff came together and, eventually, organic life arose. No reason to think that won't happen again and that such beings won't come into conflict with these creepy green monsters.

I don't even give it solving the one problem in the near here and now. Maybe a immediate effect as shown in the cut scenes but who knows how long that will last. Soon Geth will be like humans you are only 10% inorganic, inferior synthetics must give way to the true synthetics. Or organics will say how dare we get polluted with this tech we must root out the source of the corruption the Geth must die. If it does ensure harmony and balance as some read that is some super creepy mind control stuff.

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Feb 4, 2018 21:29:10 GMT Fly In The Lotion said:

Feb 4, 2018 19:26:56 GMT dmc1001 said:

You do understand that if BioWare had fucked around for three years and then only really spent two years on a ME game set into the Milky Way with a canonized ending and Shepard featured...it'd still have been a completely shit game, right? The setting isn't the problem. The lack of time spent on its actual development (three wasted years and then two scrambling to make up for it) is the culprit.

The problem was never Andromeda (Galaxy). The problem is, that Andromeda Galaxy is now tainted and it's unlikely to be fixable.

They shouldn't even made this game in the first place if they can't do it right.

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Aug 22, 2018 3:56:28 GMT Phantom said:

Also many synthesis supporters will often believe as well it is the final evolution. With that Final Evolution will bring peace for everyone. and Rainbow farts for everyone.

If that's the case, that this is final evolution, then there's only one conclusion to draw: everyone is dead. That's the only way evolution ends.

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Mass Effect '5' speculation (Official Thread) Aug 22, 2018 16:07:36 GMT

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I actually don't mind Paragon Control (I can headcanon the Shepalyst ordered the Reapers to self-destruct after helping to rebuild) except I don't like Shepard to die in most of my PTs.

Why would a Paragon Shepard commit a gratuitous act of genocide?

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I actually don't mind Paragon Control (I can headcanon the Shepalyst ordered the Reapers to self-destruct after helping to rebuild) except I don't like Shepard to die in most of my PTs.

Why would a Paragon Shepard commit a gratuitous act of genocide?

I don't know where melbella's original post is so I'm jumping on here. I see both positions. I pick Destroy for more than one reason. I think dead Reapers trump and other outcomes. Beyond that, I want a happily-ever-after for Shepard and Kaidan. I always headcanon that's what is happening anyway but I like that breath scene. (Or, even better, Shepard standing on the Normandy and placing Anderson's plaque on the memorial wall. Thanks, MEHEM!)

Why would Shepard commit a gratuitous act of genocide against the Reapers? Well, they did kills, let's be generous and say 100 billions every cycle (I'm probably underestimating given the number of races and colonies out there. Earth alone, now is approaching 8 billion. In a hundred years I can't imagine it wouldn't at least double.) Two thousand cycles (roughly every 50,000 thousand years) multiplied by 100,000,000 people = 200 trillion beings (assuming trillion is what comes after billions). That number is staggering. If killing off, roughly 2000 Reapers (which doesn't take into account the "failures", like the Protheans, or those Reapers already destroyed) is the cost, I wouldn't even flinch. I can't let that pass. I don't think anyone could.

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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 23, 2018 0:08:04 GMT

I actually don't mind Paragon Control (I can headcanon the Shepalyst ordered the Reapers to self-destruct after helping to rebuild) except I don't like Shepard to die in most of my PTs.

Why would a Paragon Shepard commit a gratuitous act of genocide?

Because it was literally the least of all evils. I am not using that in the millenial sense.

Tell us your reason, instead of asking the devil's question. Please. I would really like to hear your opinion on this rather than your diatribe and redirect.

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Post by melbella on Aug 23, 2018 1:37:10 GMT

I actually don't mind Paragon Control (I can headcanon the Shepalyst ordered the Reapers to self-destruct after helping to rebuild) except I don't like Shepard to die in most of my PTs.

Why would a Paragon Shepard commit a gratuitous act of genocide?

Why would a Paragon Shepard kill EDI and the geth? Why would a Paragon Shepard rewrite the DNA of the entire galaxy on a whim? Paragon Shepard is willing to make the ultimate sacrifice so no one else, except the creatures who have been destroying civilizations for a billion years, if not longer, has to die.

I'm not that selfless though. I usually pick Destroy because I like seeing the Reapers destroyed, not just imagining it.

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Mass Effect '5' speculation (Official Thread) Aug 23, 2018 2:29:52 GMT

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Aug 23, 2018 1:37:10 GMT melbella said:

Why would a Paragon Shepard commit a gratuitous act of genocide?

Why would a Paragon Shepard kill EDI and the geth? Why would a Paragon Shepard rewrite the DNA of the entire galaxy on a whim? Paragon Shepard is willing to make the ultimate sacrifice so no one else, except the creatures who have been destroying civilizations for a billion years, if not longer, has to die.

I'm not that selfless though. I usually pick Destroy because I like seeing the Reapers destroyed, not just imagining it.

There's that reason + Shep/Kaidan living happily ever after. I'm a sucker for that particular romance. I mean, if you happened to have missed it...

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I actually don't mind Paragon Control (I can headcanon the Shepalyst ordered the Reapers to self-destruct after helping to rebuild) except I don't like Shepard to die in most of my PTs.

Why would a Paragon Shepard commit a gratuitous act of genocide?

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Aug 23, 2018 14:59:02 GMT Iakus said:

Why would a Paragon Shepard commit a gratuitous act of genocide?

Yep...felt pretty heroic when my Shepard defeated the Reapers.

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Mass Effect '5' speculation (Official Thread) Aug 23, 2018 16:37:28 GMT

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Post by Ascend on Aug 23, 2018 16:37:28 GMT

Destroy being Mass Genocide is a given.
Synthesis being Mass Molestation... Eh... Don't know.
Still don't get why people see control as Mass Slavery. It isn't. Unless you're claiming everyone will turn into husks after Shepard takes control...

In fact... To quote from the Paragon Control ending; "To ensure that all have a voice in their future".

Doesn't sound like slavery, does it?

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Aug 23, 2018 14:59:02 GMT Iakus said: