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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 23, 2018 17:05:10 GMT
Destroy being Mass Genocide is a given. Synthesis being Mass Molestation... Eh... Don't know. Still don't get why people see control as Mass Slavery. It isn't. Unless you're claiming everyone will turn into husks after Shepard takes control... In fact... To quote from the Paragon Control ending; "To ensure that all have a voice in their future".Doesn't sound like slavery, does it? Synthesis is a forced change in state of being. I don't know if slavery is the right term but they weren't given an option. Control? You damn well better not step out of line because a Reaper will remove your ass from existence. The idea of that quote is that the Reapers will enforce peace. Doesn't sound all that fun to me. Of course, if Shepard could do that, so could the Intelligence have done a billion years ago. If it failed back then why think it could work now?
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Post by souljahbill14 on Aug 23, 2018 17:05:50 GMT
I never bought into the Geth and Edi being alive narrative so I don’t feel an ounce of guilt about “mass genocide.” Alive? Maybe not in the conventional sense. A thinking being who has developed an emotional attachment not just to Joker and Shepard, but to all life in the galaxy? She most certainly is alive. She was willing to die to stop the Reapers, saying they would never get the chance to complete the current cycle (just before Shepard chose his squadmates to get to the missiles and then the beam run). I don't know that being organic is the only way a being can be considered alive. Ants are alive, but they don't think like us and we don't treat them like they matter. She's more alive than ants. Edi may be able to process more than ants but she’s in no way more alive than an ant. |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 23, 2018 17:15:00 GMT
No, but mass genocide still seems good. And you can bet the entire galaxy would practically worship Shepard for making that happen. Right? As for myself, I just answered the only legit item in that meme and ignored the other oversimplified, hyperbolic nonsense. |
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Post by themikefest on Aug 23, 2018 17:17:47 GMT
There was no genocide when my Shepard destroyed the reapers.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 23, 2018 17:51:03 GMT
Alive? Maybe not in the conventional sense. A thinking being who has developed an emotional attachment not just to Joker and Shepard, but to all life in the galaxy? She most certainly is alive. She was willing to die to stop the Reapers, saying they would never get the chance to complete the current cycle (just before Shepard chose his squadmates to get to the missiles and then the beam run). I don't know that being organic is the only way a being can be considered alive. Ants are alive, but they don't think like us and we don't treat them like they matter. She's more alive than ants. Edi may be able to process more than ants but she’s in no way more alive than an ant. I guess we're going to have to disagree on this one. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 23, 2018 17:52:46 GMT
There was no genocide when my Shepard destroyed the reapers. Of course not. 200 trillion organic lifeforms had already been extinguished by these genocidal robots. It's justice to see them gone. |
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Post by themikefest on Aug 23, 2018 18:11:27 GMT
There was no genocide when my Shepard destroyed the reapers. Of course not. 200 trillion organic lifeforms had already been extinguished by these genocidal robots. It's justice to see them gone. I know, but someone will say its genocide for letting the geth and the edibot be destroyed |
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 23, 2018 18:19:11 GMT
Of course not. 200 trillion organic lifeforms had already been extinguished by these genocidal robots. It's justice to see them gone. I know, but someone will say its genocide for letting the geth and the edibot be destroyed I liked both. It's regrettable that we had to lose them. I really like EDI. I'm still willing to do it. Furthermore, EDI was also willing to do it. It should be noted that the Catalyst said even Shepard was likely to die so sacrifice wasn't likely to sway him/her. |
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Post by Ascend on Aug 23, 2018 18:28:02 GMT
Destroy being Mass Genocide is a given. Synthesis being Mass Molestation... Eh... Don't know. Still don't get why people see control as Mass Slavery. It isn't. Unless you're claiming everyone will turn into husks after Shepard takes control... In fact... To quote from the Paragon Control ending; "To ensure that all have a voice in their future".Doesn't sound like slavery, does it? Synthesis is a forced change in state of being. I don't know if slavery is the right term but they weren't given an option. Control? You damn well better not step out of line because a Reaper will remove your ass from existence. The idea of that quote is that the Reapers will enforce peace. Doesn't sound all that fun to me. Of course, if Shepard could do that, so could the Intelligence have done a billion years ago. If it failed back then why think it could work now?
Wouldn't call it enforced... Shepard spent the whole three games achieving peace in multiple instances, not through enforcing, but through persuasion, communication, negotiations etc. At least, my Shepard. If you played renegade it's another story. But in any case... Why would it be any different for the Shepard AI? It has all the experience of Shepard on how to do it peacefully. I don't agree that the Intelligence could have also done it. It is an AI with an obviously limited perspective. Control is similar to reprogramming the Reapers to be peaceful, basically. See it as the Legion mission. Reprogram or destroy? |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 23, 2018 18:48:19 GMT
How is Synthesis ending not a forced change of being? Did you ask every inhabitant of the universe if it was ok with them before turning them green with PCB brains? It is the worst ending, by far. Control gives you a long long time before Shep becomes Shepinger, so the extended cycle will allow time to rebuild and perhaps thrive for a while, so it is better than Refuse. Refuse is the developers revenge, and I didn't appreciate it. However, it was satisfying to choose it once just because. Destroy wins by being the least shitty, and just barely. The meme from Iakus nails it imo. |
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Post by themikefest on Aug 23, 2018 18:54:50 GMT
I like that. Have a like. excellent |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 23, 2018 19:20:18 GMT
*reads current conversation* And people think the Mass Effect fans are over the ME3 endings.  |
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 23, 2018 19:55:39 GMT
*reads current conversation* And people think the Mass Effect fans are over the ME3 endings.  Really? Not from what I've seen for the 2+ years I've been hanging around. However, I think it's a testament to how much this game impacted people. If it hadn't, people wouldn't be arguing about it today, or still making mods and videos about it. Whatever people think about how good or bad the endings are, they still care enough about it to argue. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 23, 2018 19:57:22 GMT
*reads current conversation* And people think the Mass Effect fans are over the ME3 endings. Really? Not from what I've seen for the 2+ years I've been hanging around. However, I think it's a testament to how much this game impacted people. If it hadn't, people wouldn't be arguing about it today, or still making mods and videos about it. Whatever people think about how good or bad the endings are, they still care enough about it to argue. Oh I agree with that. I was referring to all the people arguing that the games should go back to the Milky Way because "nobody would care about the endings by then" yet here we are over half a decade later still discussing them with the same passion as if they came out yesterday. |
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 23, 2018 21:09:06 GMT
Really? Not from what I've seen for the 2+ years I've been hanging around. However, I think it's a testament to how much this game impacted people. If it hadn't, people wouldn't be arguing about it today, or still making mods and videos about it. Whatever people think about how good or bad the endings are, they still care enough about it to argue. Oh I agree with that. I was referring to all the people arguing that the games should go back to the Milky Way because "nobody would care about the endings by then" yet here we are over half a decade later still discussing them with the same passion as if they came out yesterday. "And it goes on and on my friends... " |
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Post by Iakus on Aug 23, 2018 21:23:24 GMT
*reads current conversation* And people think the Mass Effect fans are over the ME3 endings.   |
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Post by Iakus on Aug 23, 2018 21:24:36 GMT
How is Synthesis ending not a forced change of being? Did you ask every inhabitant of the universe if it was ok with them before turning them green with PCB brains? It is the worst ending, by far. Control gives you a long long time before Shep becomes Shepinger, so the extended cycle will allow time to rebuild and perhaps thrive for a while, so it is better than Refuse. Refuse is the developers revenge, and I didn't appreciate it. However, it was satisfying to choose it once just because. Destroy wins by being the least shitty, and just barely. The meme from Iakus nails it imo. Yeah being worse than Saren is the "best" ending...  |
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Post by themikefest on Aug 23, 2018 21:38:16 GMT
Really? Not from what I've seen for the 2+ years I've been hanging around. However, I think it's a testament to how much this game impacted people. If it hadn't, people wouldn't be arguing about it today, or still making mods and videos about it. Whatever people think about how good or bad the endings are, they still care enough about it to argue. Oh I agree with that. I was referring to all the people arguing that the games should go back to the Milky Way because "nobody would care about the endings by then" yet here we are over half a decade later still discussing them with the same passion as if they came out yesterday. That's right. Because of that, there will be an ME4 trailer released in 2021 with a scene showing femshep on Earth standing on hill seeing the amount of destruction the reapers caused before they were destroyed. Jennifer Hale will be narrating the trailer. This forum will have many, many posters responding to the trailer and there will be many threads created. One of the things that will talked about the most will be the endings to ME3.  |
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 23, 2018 22:07:17 GMT
Oh I agree with that. I was referring to all the people arguing that the games should go back to the Milky Way because "nobody would care about the endings by then" yet here we are over half a decade later still discussing them with the same passion as if they came out yesterday. That's right. Because of that, there will be an ME4 trailer released in 2021 with a scene showing femshep on Earth standing on hill seeing the amount of destruction the reapers caused before they were destroyed. Jennifer Hale will be narrating the trailer. This forum will have many, many posters responding to the trailer and there will be many threads created. One of the things that will talked about the most will be the endings to ME3. If that happens riots will happen. Cannonizing that ending would be a huge mistake. |
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2018 0:10:00 GMT
Alive? Maybe not in the conventional sense. A thinking being who has developed an emotional attachment not just to Joker and Shepard, but to all life in the galaxy? She most certainly is alive. She was willing to die to stop the Reapers, saying they would never get the chance to complete the current cycle (just before Shepard chose his squadmates to get to the missiles and then the beam run). I don't know that being organic is the only way a being can be considered alive. Ants are alive, but they don't think like us and we don't treat them like they matter. She's more alive than ants. Edi may be able to process more than ants but she’s in no way more alive than an ant. Is "alive" the sort of thing you can be more or less of? I thought it was binary. |
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2018 0:12:07 GMT
Control gives you a long long time before Shep becomes Shepinger, so the extended cycle will allow time to rebuild and perhaps thrive for a while, so it is better than Refuse. Why would that ever happen? Even if the Sheplyst went bad, wouldn't it go bad in its own way? |
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2018 0:13:55 GMT
That's right. Because of that, there will be an ME4 trailer released in 2021 with a scene showing femshep on Earth standing on hill seeing the amount of destruction the reapers caused before they were destroyed. Jennifer Hale will be narrating the trailer. This forum will have many, many posters responding to the trailer and there will be many threads created. One of the things that will talked about the most will be the endings to ME3. If that happens riots will happen. Cannonizing that ending would be a huge mistake. In my experience it's only Destroy fans who are rabidly intolerant of the other options. I don't see why canonized Destroy would cause a mass freakout. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 24, 2018 0:21:00 GMT
Control gives you a long long time before Shep becomes Shepinger, so the extended cycle will allow time to rebuild and perhaps thrive for a while, so it is better than Refuse. Why would that ever happen? Even if the Sheplyst went bad, wouldn't it go bad in its own way? Does it matter the form, if the function becomes the same? I don't think it is inevitable that ControlShep becomes StarBrat 2.0, but it is a possibility that many have considered. That it is a possibility, is enough for me. Absolute power corrupts absolutely as the saying goes. |
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Post by melbella on Aug 24, 2018 1:25:46 GMT
Edi may be able to process more than ants but she’s in no way more alive than an ant. Is "alive" the sort of thing you can be more or less of? I thought it was binary.
What is the third principle of sentient life? The capacity for self-sacrifice. Both EDI and Legion are willing to sacrifice themselves for others, and Legion actually does so. That makes them sentient creatures - alive. I seriously doubt a Reaper ever even thought of the possibility for self-sacrifice, let alone considered doing it. It's not part of their programming, and they've had millions if not billions of years to consider it. They have no problem sacrificing others though.
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Post by Ascend on Aug 24, 2018 1:42:33 GMT
If that happens riots will happen. Cannonizing that ending would be a huge mistake. I don't see why canonized Destroy would cause a mass freakout. Which is exactly why destroy must not be canonized. |
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