Mass Effect '5' speculation (Official Thread)

Dozens at least. I saw just as many posters say they wanted someone new as those who wanted Shepard if not more. After all most knew that Shepard’s story was over so we should have a new protagonist.

You’re assuming everyone who felt that way posted. I could say the same and say that the dozens who posted expressing they wanted Shepard to return as protagonist were all there was.

Where did I call out people who disliked Ryder? You said nobody on the old forum wanted a new protagonist and I was simply pointing out that that wasn’t the case where the truth was many were.

No you’re not. You were saying I was calling people out. I’m not the one saying shame on those who liked them or that anyone trying to defend a different perspective is embarrassing themselves.

And that’s fine. If you don’t like Ryder, go ahead and don’t like them. I couldn’t care less. However my issue is when you said I was calling people out when I was only posting that you were mistaken about everybody on the old forums wanting Shepard again. That’s it.

That's fine also. I'm just pointing out your bias when you imply (with emphasis on "imply") that a couple dozen people on the old forums saying something (again, implying somehow that it constitutes a reasonable number) while in your previous post (not in this thread) is merely a vocal minority (which you've done several times in the past, I know this becuase Me, you and several others talked about it for days before I took a break from the forum).

I can understand that.  Personally, I have a mixed opinion about it.  Shepard was an exceptionally successful character for them, so I can see the allure of repeating at least some of those traits in Ryder.  I also liked that Ryder was the antithesis of the stereotypical wartime commanding officer that is so common in videogames.  It was a refreshing difference for me at a time when all videogames are starting to really feel like the same game over and over again... War with ghouls.  I recognize though that my tastes do differ from the generation that plays most of the videogames and, therefore, generates most of the revenues for the devs.  I'm simply not a part of their target audience anymore and ME:A's greatest flaw is that the story simply "missed" connecting with its target audience.  At this point, I think a return to a more Shepard-like character, is almost inevitable be it by progressing Ryder's personality in that direction or by creating a different PC who is more like Shepard overall... a shame really.

And honestly I think this is what most are asking for. Ryder (to me at least) felt like a bland boy scout after coming from the MET.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I much prefer Bioware's protagonists when the past is left more ambiguous or at least has more options than being constructed to when the game starts. That helps the character be my character rather than Bioware's character. 

No worries.  I'm just more focused on seeing how much I can experiment with getting to know the character in different ways after the game starts that creating a "me character" before the game starts and then trying to fit the dialogue given in the game to suit my preconception of who that character should be and what he/she should be able to say in such a circumstance.  I don't mind having the devs tell me the starting point of the game and I don't mind them directing the "range" of different personalities that they figure can fit the story they are trying to tell.  Regardless of background selected, Shepard's personality range was always the same.  It didn't matter... war hero Shepard had the exact same paragon/renegade options as ruthless Shep.  Now, if they had gotten more aggressive with their point system difference at the start (that is, when they allotted 20 free Renegade points to ruthless Shep and 20 free Paragon to war-hero Shep) such that it really mattered... e.g. such that it would be impossible for ruthless Shep to get to the highest level of paragon and, therefore, could not possibly talk Saren into shooting himself, I might have been more enthusiastic about having that choice to start with.

How can you say Shepard with his/her wide range of in game choice differences (renegade to paragon) isn't able to be felt/acted in accordance with the player like the Warden or the Inquisitor? I REALLY have to hear this this one...

This is literally one of the biggest gripes (his potential for mood swings) with the fanboys on this forum about Shepard...

Edit:
To make this easier I'll break down all the Bioware protagonist (that I've played) in which you can't change their history...

-Revan (Kotor) same background no matter what you choose
-Ryder will always be a brother or sister with a family past
-Hawke, the same as Ryder

Protagonist in which you can change their history...

-Shepard can change his background and psychological history
-Warden's Race (which changes the history depending on)
-Inquisitor ( same as Warden)