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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 13:58:25 GMT
We were on topic until you got all butt-hurt about me saying this... You somehow came to the conclusion that this was an insult on your sex life. You sure as hell have thin skin if that's the case! The entire conversation was about Miranda until you flew off the rails... I was a little confused myself. It was entirely about Miranda, then went into something like "in my day" and somehow that got twisted into "why are you talking about my sex life". Anyway, Miranda is a hot, shapely woman who has a naughty side that's into public sex. She's also smart and competent but Shepard really only cares about the naughty side.
Now, I've never played this romance. Should be obvious. What I do know is that the Miranda in ME2 had changed in ME3. She seemed to be more "human", more well-rounded in her behavior toward others. I've seen videos of it, including when Shepard dumped her. There was that something in her voice that felt hurt by the rejection. Similarly, I've seen her die while romanced and, I don't know, I liked the Miranda we had in ME3 more than ME2.
There is dialogue in ME2 that reflects the more sensitive side of Miranda. It really depends a lot in how Shepard responds to her. I have no problem with a naughty side being portrayed and I was not objecting to anything about the romance scene that was portrayed. I thought it a shame that they basically set up a nice space for a scene more like the one they gave us with Jack in Shep's cabin and then opted not to use it. Miranada's "come hither" dialogue implies that she doesn't settle for anything less than the best." It's very James Bond to that point, so I was expecting that tone to continue... and then it takes this sudden switch in tone to wind up in the engine room.
What I said about it did not warrant a response containing a buch of lewd remarks and details... and that is what I "took offense" with (even though I would say I wasn't even taking offense with that). So then I cam back with a somewhat joking comment about romantic romances... James Bond style romances and then, all of a sudden, I'm getting lectured about being a prism or a lens for my generation... and the thread went completely off topic. I would LOVE to get it back on topic. (Keep in mind that I have not read the post you're responding to and am only responding to your post, which talks about me).
So, here's the question, do you like how Bioware leads us into these romance situations? Do you feel they follow through with romance scenes that are appropriate to the set up they chooose for them?... or do you, sometimes, feel let down by the romance scenes. If personally felt let down by the Miranda romance scene. I was similarly let down by the Vetra one in ME:A... although it makes a great "good friends" scene if Vetra is not romanced. Also, please note that I'm not talking about "sex", but "romance." in a literary sense.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Dec 5, 2018 15:54:38 GMT
The engine room scene threw me as well, but I write it off as Miranda staking her claim on Shepard. Miranda comes across as the domineering and possessive type. She is basically throwing their relationship in Tali's face, to stay off any further attention from Tali or anyone else for that matter. And it adds a bit more to why Tali is getting drunk after Shepard reconnects with Miranda on Horizon,..trying to wash the memory of what happened in the engine away.
I just hope in future ME games one romance isn't favored to the point that it feels like "the romance". I like Liara when I was romancing her on my femshep play through but HATED how it felt like it was telling me, you should be romancing Liara when I continued Miranda's romance in ME3 as male shep. Despite it's faults(I still enjoyed the game)MEA did a much better job balancing the romances. If they go with MEA2 I hope they keep the balance, and stay away from favoring any one character because he/she is the writers' favorite.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 18:05:59 GMT
The engine room scene threw me as well, but I write it off as Miranda staking her claim on Shepard. Miranda comes across as the domineering and possessive type. She is basically throwing their relationship in Tali's face, to stay off any further attention from Tali or anyone else for that matter. And it adds a bit more to why Tali is getting drunk after Shepard reconnects with Miranda on Horizon,..trying to wash the memory of what happened in the engine away. I just hope in future ME games one romance isn't favored to the point that it feels like "the romance". I like Liara when I was romancing her on my femshep play through but HATED how it felt like it was telling me, you should be romancing Liara when I continued Miranda's romance in ME3 as male shep. Despite it's faults(I still enjoyed the game)MEA did a much better job balancing the romances. If they go with MEA2 I hope they keep the balance, and stay away from favoring any one character because he/she is the writers' favorite. Thank you.
People often criticize ME:A as making it seem the PeeBee's romance in "the romance" in the game; and from some perspectives , they're right. However, part of it, I think, is that PeeBee's romance is possibly the best ME romance Bioware has ever written. While posters above in this thread use the fact that PeeBee flattenst Ryder and Ryder is slow to throw her off as a sign that Ryder is a pushover, from the perspective of a romance, it's a seen that works. If Ryder is immediately smitten by this exuberant person who has just landed in his/her lap, then displaying some reluctance to push her off would be "natural" regardless of whether or not Ryder was an assertive person. The player can then follow up with a flirtaceous remark. The romance itself flows very naturally throughout the game, especially if the casual sex option is accepted... right up to the scene where she flattens Ryder a second time if her strings offer is accepted. The sex scene itself is a bit of a downer in that the tone of the banter between them suddenly seems to get more "awkward" or "forced." and, personally, I could have easily done without it (meaning the romance felt complete without tacking on the sex scene).
Still, it's a step up from the sudden shift in romance tone that the Miranda romance took by suddenly going from James Bond's "best" to "the engine room floor." While Endless seemed to be indicating that it was due to an "unsatisfied urgency" on Miranda's part, Mirande herself had never expressed any of that to Shepard. In fact, her dialogue was that she needed time to think. While it can work a little better by RP'ing that she's telling Tali to back off, I never thought that Miranda would be that insecure that she'd feel the need to bother. IF Shepard is romancing both, Miranda quite openly tells Shepard to break it off with Tali before he can expect any remoance with her.
In ME:A, I find the pacing of Cora's romance really bad. It starts out well, but then gets totally bogged down with no additonal flirty dialogue being available for most of the mid-section of the game... which is a really long, long time if the player decides to completely clear both Voeld and Havarl before proceeding with the Asari ark quest.
In short, I hope Biwoare pays some even greater attention to the romance full relationship side of things..
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Dec 6, 2018 16:23:02 GMT
The engine room scene threw me as well, but I write it off as Miranda staking her claim on Shepard. Miranda comes across as the domineering and possessive type. She is basically throwing their relationship in Tali's face, to stay off any further attention from Tali or anyone else for that matter. And it adds a bit more to why Tali is getting drunk after Shepard reconnects with Miranda on Horizon,..trying to wash the memory of what happened in the engine away. I just hope in future ME games one romance isn't favored to the point that it feels like "the romance". I like Liara when I was romancing her on my femshep play through but HATED how it felt like it was telling me, you should be romancing Liara when I continued Miranda's romance in ME3 as male shep. Despite it's faults(I still enjoyed the game)MEA did a much better job balancing the romances. If they go with MEA2 I hope they keep the balance, and stay away from favoring any one character because he/she is the writers' favorite. Thank you.
People often criticize ME:A as making it seem the PeeBee's romance in "the romance" in the game; and from some perspectives , they're right. However, part of it, I think, is that PeeBee's romance is possibly the best ME romance Bioware has ever written. While posters above in this thread use the fact that PeeBee flattenst Ryder and Ryder is slow to throw her off as a sign that Ryder is a pushover, from the perspective of a romance, it's a seen that works. If Ryder is immediately smitten by this exuberant person who has just landed in his/her lap, then displaying some reluctance to push her off would be "natural" regardless of whether or not Ryder was an assertive person. The player can then follow up with a flirtaceous remark. The romance itself flows very naturally throughout the game, especially if the casual sex option is accepted... right up to the scene where she flattens Ryder a second time if her strings offer is accepted. The sex scene itself is a bit of a downer in that the tone of the banter between them suddenly seems to get more "awkward" or "forced." and, personally, I could have easily done without it (meaning the romance felt complete without tacking on the sex scene).
Still, it's a step up from the sudden shift in romance tone that the Miranda romance took by suddenly going from James Bond's "best" to "the engine room floor." While Endless seemed to be indicating that it was due to an "unsatisfied urgency" on Miranda's part, Mirande herself had never expressed any of that to Shepard. In fact, her dialogue was that she needed time to think. While it can work a little better by RP'ing that she's telling Tali to back off, I never thought that Miranda would be that insecure that she'd feel the need to bother. IF Shepard is romancing both, Miranda quite openly tells Shepard to break it off with Tali before he can expect any remoance with her.
In ME:A, I find the pacing of Cora's romance really bad. It starts out well, but then gets totally bogged down with no additonal flirty dialogue being available for most of the mid-section of the game... which is a really long, long time if the player decides to completely clear both Voeld and Havarl before proceeding with the Asari ark quest.
In short, I hope Biwoare pays some even greater attention to the romance full relationship side of things..
To be fair Cora's romance isn't the only one in the series to suffer pacing issues due to being gated behind the progress of the main quest. ME2 romances were plagued by similar issues, Garrus being the best example. Peebee's friends with benefits option really helped with her pacing, where as if you chose to hold off with her it suffered as well. Peebee is one of the better examples of a well paced romance, very similar to Morrigan's in DOA due in part to the sex being a midpoint for a much deeper relationship instead of the pay off. You get the chance to make out/sleep with them again instead of dialog like, "Can we talk later, I am working on some calibrations.", as you unlocked more romance dialog that was gated by progress on the main quest. It REALLY annoyed me that Liara even on the friendship path upstages your chosen love interest in terms to quality moments with Shepard. While Peebee is the better timed/paced romance, when not romancing her she doesn't over shadow your chosen love interest. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 6, 2018 16:40:53 GMT
Thank you.
People often criticize ME:A as making it seem the PeeBee's romance in "the romance" in the game; and from some perspectives , they're right. However, part of it, I think, is that PeeBee's romance is possibly the best ME romance Bioware has ever written. While posters above in this thread use the fact that PeeBee flattenst Ryder and Ryder is slow to throw her off as a sign that Ryder is a pushover, from the perspective of a romance, it's a seen that works. If Ryder is immediately smitten by this exuberant person who has just landed in his/her lap, then displaying some reluctance to push her off would be "natural" regardless of whether or not Ryder was an assertive person. The player can then follow up with a flirtaceous remark. The romance itself flows very naturally throughout the game, especially if the casual sex option is accepted... right up to the scene where she flattens Ryder a second time if her strings offer is accepted. The sex scene itself is a bit of a downer in that the tone of the banter between them suddenly seems to get more "awkward" or "forced." and, personally, I could have easily done without it (meaning the romance felt complete without tacking on the sex scene).
Still, it's a step up from the sudden shift in romance tone that the Miranda romance took by suddenly going from James Bond's "best" to "the engine room floor." While Endless seemed to be indicating that it was due to an "unsatisfied urgency" on Miranda's part, Mirande herself had never expressed any of that to Shepard. In fact, her dialogue was that she needed time to think. While it can work a little better by RP'ing that she's telling Tali to back off, I never thought that Miranda would be that insecure that she'd feel the need to bother. IF Shepard is romancing both, Miranda quite openly tells Shepard to break it off with Tali before he can expect any remoance with her.
In ME:A, I find the pacing of Cora's romance really bad. It starts out well, but then gets totally bogged down with no additonal flirty dialogue being available for most of the mid-section of the game... which is a really long, long time if the player decides to completely clear both Voeld and Havarl before proceeding with the Asari ark quest.
In short, I hope Biwoare pays some even greater attention to the romance full relationship side of things..
To be fair Cora's romance isn't the only one in the series to suffer pacing issues due to being gated behind the progress of the main quest. ME2 romances were plagued by similar issues, Garrus being the best example. Peebee's friends with benefits option really helped with her pacing, where as if you chose to hold off with her it suffered as well. Peebee is one of the better examples of a well paced romance, very similar to Morrigan's in DOA due in part to the sex being a midpoint for a much deeper relationship instead of the pay off. You get the chance to make out/sleep with them again instead of dialog like, "Can we talk later, I am working on some calibrations.", as you unlocked more romance dialog that was gated by progress on the main quest. It REALLY annoyed me that Liara even on the friendship path upstages your chosen love interest in terms to quality moments with Shepard. While Peebee is the better timed/paced romance, when not romancing her she doesn't over shadow your chosen love interest. It's very creepy that she also has spy cameras in Shepard's quarters or has her agents following Shepard around the Citadel (if judging by the fact that, if you are romancing Liara, she will call you out on sleeping with Allers or Kelly). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 18:31:26 GMT
Thank you.
People often criticize ME:A as making it seem the PeeBee's romance in "the romance" in the game; and from some perspectives , they're right. However, part of it, I think, is that PeeBee's romance is possibly the best ME romance Bioware has ever written. While posters above in this thread use the fact that PeeBee flattenst Ryder and Ryder is slow to throw her off as a sign that Ryder is a pushover, from the perspective of a romance, it's a seen that works. If Ryder is immediately smitten by this exuberant person who has just landed in his/her lap, then displaying some reluctance to push her off would be "natural" regardless of whether or not Ryder was an assertive person. The player can then follow up with a flirtaceous remark. The romance itself flows very naturally throughout the game, especially if the casual sex option is accepted... right up to the scene where she flattens Ryder a second time if her strings offer is accepted. The sex scene itself is a bit of a downer in that the tone of the banter between them suddenly seems to get more "awkward" or "forced." and, personally, I could have easily done without it (meaning the romance felt complete without tacking on the sex scene).
Still, it's a step up from the sudden shift in romance tone that the Miranda romance took by suddenly going from James Bond's "best" to "the engine room floor." While Endless seemed to be indicating that it was due to an "unsatisfied urgency" on Miranda's part, Mirande herself had never expressed any of that to Shepard. In fact, her dialogue was that she needed time to think. While it can work a little better by RP'ing that she's telling Tali to back off, I never thought that Miranda would be that insecure that she'd feel the need to bother. IF Shepard is romancing both, Miranda quite openly tells Shepard to break it off with Tali before he can expect any remoance with her.
In ME:A, I find the pacing of Cora's romance really bad. It starts out well, but then gets totally bogged down with no additonal flirty dialogue being available for most of the mid-section of the game... which is a really long, long time if the player decides to completely clear both Voeld and Havarl before proceeding with the Asari ark quest.
In short, I hope Biwoare pays some even greater attention to the romance full relationship side of things..
To be fair Cora's romance isn't the only one in the series to suffer pacing issues due to being gated behind the progress of the main quest. ME2 romances were plagued by similar issues, Garrus being the best example. Peebee's friends with benefits option really helped with her pacing, where as if you chose to hold off with her it suffered as well. Peebee is one of the better examples of a well paced romance, very similar to Morrigan's in DOA due in part to the sex being a midpoint for a much deeper relationship instead of the pay off. You get the chance to make out/sleep with them again instead of dialog like, "Can we talk later, I am working on some calibrations.", as you unlocked more romance dialog that was gated by progress on the main quest. It REALLY annoyed me that Liara even on the friendship path upstages your chosen love interest in terms to quality moments with Shepard. While Peebee is the better timed/paced romance, when not romancing her she doesn't over shadow your chosen love interest. I absolutely agree. PeeBee's romance was a step towards better pacing and showing that they're getting some idea about how a relationship needs some different dialogue options to help maintain it over the course of the entire game... which is not an easy task, I'm sure, for these longer, open-world games. Not romancing Liara and having her behave the way she does never bothered me as much as it does other people. I just relegated her to the role of overly affectionate and meddling sibling and ran with that. I do like how they introduced the notion of a romanced Liara being jealous of whoever Shep was romancing in ME2, but rather than get back together with her, I tend to use her jealously and spying as a means for Shep to just tell her they're done come ME3. I really liked Miranda's romance and would have loved a romance scene that did the James Bond angle justice. She's pretty much my go to romance in ME2. For drama, I then let her die in Shep's arms in ME3. Tali's bar scene makes a lot of sense in that context. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 6, 2018 19:02:12 GMT
It's very creepy that she also has spy cameras in Shepard's quarters or has her agents following Shepard around the Citadel (if judging by the fact that, if you are romancing Liara, she will call you out on sleeping with Allers or Kelly). What does she say? Here's a vid: But it doesn't have Kelly in it. But I'm guessing it goes the same way as it does in the video. (I never did a Liara romance in any of my play thoughs). |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 6, 2018 19:06:46 GMT
Here's a vid: But it doesn't have Kelly in it. But I'm guessing it goes the same way as it does in the video. (I never did a Liara romance in any of my play thoughs). Yeah, I found that vid after I asked hence why I deleted my post.  Figures the one character she wouldn't mention is Kelly (yet another time her romance gets ignored) though it is weird since she grants the achievement so you think she would be included. On the plus side at least it leaves my interpretation valid. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 6, 2018 19:12:17 GMT
Here's a vid: But it doesn't have Kelly in it. But I'm guessing it goes the same way as it does in the video. (I never did a Liara romance in any of my play thoughs). Yeah, I found that vid after I asked hence why I deleted my post. Figures the one character she wouldn't mention is Kelly (yet another time her romance gets ignored) though it is weird since she grants the achievement so you think she would be included. On the plus side at least it leaves my interpretation valid. LOL, cheeky bugger! 😃 Most of my Shepard's had romance flings with Kelly or Allers (a few did both), and none of the main romances ever brought it up. So that begs the question, how did Mrs Blue Creeper found out? |
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Post by Phantom on Dec 6, 2018 19:13:16 GMT
I do think that Liara will make a good villain.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 6, 2018 19:16:41 GMT
I do think that Liara will make a good villain. So long as you get to kill her, Frank Castle style, then I'll be happy with that. |
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Post by Phantom on Dec 6, 2018 19:24:28 GMT
I do think that Liara will make a good villain. So long as you get to kill her, Frank Castle style, then I'll be happy with that. yeah, there will be several possible ways to kill her off. Ranging from Merciful to Sadistic to Nightmare fuel that would be right at home with Warhammer 40,000. Liara would be a Cult Leader of The Shepard and the Cult of Shepard would be a sect of Siari Religion. In Short, she would twist the idea of Shepard into Something he is not. Liara will not be the only villain. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 6, 2018 19:33:53 GMT
Yeah, I found that vid after I asked hence why I deleted my post. Figures the one character she wouldn't mention is Kelly (yet another time her romance gets ignored) though it is weird since she grants the achievement so you think she would be included. On the plus side at least it leaves my interpretation valid. LOL, cheeky bugger! 😃 Most of my Shepard's had romance flings with Kelly or Allers (a few did both), and none of the main romances ever brought it up. So that begs the question, how did Mrs Blue Creeper found out? Kelly is my main romance in the Shepard Trilogy. Not just because she is a sweetie, but also it’s the only romance that the creator said supported the kind of relationship I want ie nonsexual. But yeah, Liara’s reaction is terrible and it’s creepy she would know immediately after. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 6, 2018 19:35:14 GMT
So long as you get to kill her, Frank Castle style, then I'll be happy with that. yeah, there will be several possible ways to kill her off. Ranging from Merciful to Sadistic to Nightmare fuel that would be right at home with Warhammer 40,000. Liara would be a Cult Leader of The Shepard and the Cult of Shepard would be a sect of Siari Religion. In Short, she would twist the idea of Shepard into Something he is not. Liara will not be the only villain. Will at least one of her deaths be like in the this vid: I'm more in favour of the mind fuckery death that happens to Howard Saint. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 6, 2018 19:41:09 GMT
LOL, cheeky bugger! 😃 Most of my Shepard's had romance flings with Kelly or Allers (a few did both), and none of the main romances ever brought it up. So that begs the question, how did Mrs Blue Creeper found out? Kelly is my main romance in the Shepard Trilogy. Not just because she is a sweetie, but also it’s the only romance that the creator said supported the kind of relationship I want ie nonsexual. But yeah, Liara’s reaction is terrible and it’s creepy she would know immediately after. I only did the romance/fling with Kelly because she is a redhead (I like redheads, and MET lacks redhead romances for Shepard), plus as you said, she's a sweetie. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 6, 2018 20:28:54 GMT
I do think that Liara will make a good villain. Is this when we find out that every time she "embraced eternity" with Shepard she was also subtly trying to manipulate his/her mind so that she could be romanced? A high willpower Shepard resists while a weaker Shepard caves in. That's why a Shepard already on track for A/K would abandon them for her with little thought on the matter. A rejected Liara would grow disgruntled about how Shepard doesn't appreciate all she's done for him (never mind she'd be dead in the ruins of Therum had Shepard not come along) and have her bitterness turn her into an anti-human terrorist. I think this could work, especially after she uses her resources as the Shadow Broker to go after humans. Further, she can begin to systematically kill off anyone who knows she's the Shadow Broker. |
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Post by Phantom on Dec 6, 2018 20:51:32 GMT
I do think that Liara will make a good villain. Is this when we find out that every time she "embraced eternity" with Shepard she was also subtly trying to manipulate his/her mind so that she could be romanced? A high willpower Shepard resists while a weaker Shepard caves in. That's why a Shepard already on track for A/K would abandon them for her with little thought on the matter. A rejected Liara would grow disgruntled about how Shepard doesn't appreciate all she's done for him (never mind she'd be dead in the ruins of Therum had Shepard not come along) and have her bitterness turn her into an anti-human terrorist. I think this could work, especially after she uses her resources as the Shadow Broker to go after humans. Further, she can begin to systematically kill off anyone who knows she's the Shadow Broker. those are good ideas. Side note: We need more Anti-Human Terrorists with Mass Effect |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 6, 2018 23:23:23 GMT
Is this when we find out that every time she "embraced eternity" with Shepard she was also subtly trying to manipulate his/her mind so that she could be romanced? A high willpower Shepard resists while a weaker Shepard caves in. That's why a Shepard already on track for A/K would abandon them for her with little thought on the matter. A rejected Liara would grow disgruntled about how Shepard doesn't appreciate all she's done for him (never mind she'd be dead in the ruins of Therum had Shepard not come along) and have her bitterness turn her into an anti-human terrorist. I think this could work, especially after she uses her resources as the Shadow Broker to go after humans. Further, she can begin to systematically kill off anyone who knows she's the Shadow Broker. those are good ideas. Side note: We need more Anti-Human Terrorists with Mass Effect Why? This makes humans more important than they are or should be. We are not the big bad, and we are not Space Jesus. Most interstellar species have abandoned such needless pursuits as hating others over simple differences, at least in my headcanon. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 7, 2018 1:40:10 GMT
those are good ideas. Side note: We need more Anti-Human Terrorists with Mass Effect Why? This makes humans more important than they are or should be. We are not the big bad, and we are not Space Jesus. Most interstellar species have abandoned such needless pursuits as hating others over simple differences, at least in my headcanon. The point is to make Liara a Big Bad. We're not talking about an entire species. Just the one person. Salarians definitely prove that space racism is alive and kicking. In fact, the entire Council might be considered to be anti-human based on their blatant disregard for anything Shepard EVER said. Then there's AI, which they know are intelligent but choose to destroy regardless. Hating others over simple differences is alive and kicking in ME. |
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Post by Phantom on Dec 7, 2018 2:13:23 GMT
those are good ideas. Side note: We need more Anti-Human Terrorists with Mass Effect Why? This makes humans more important than they are or should be. We are not the big bad, and we are not Space Jesus. Most interstellar species have abandoned such needless pursuits as hating others over simple differences, at least in my headcanon. Well One of the many Canon Reasons that Aliens would join an Anti-Human Terrorist organization is ranging from Humans are too aggressive, too powerful, inferior species, or taking terrorities that don't belong to them or stepping out of their position. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 7, 2018 3:16:34 GMT
I do think that Liara will make a good villain. Is this when we find out that every time she "embraced eternity" with Shepard she was also subtly trying to manipulate his/her mind so that she could be romanced? A high willpower Shepard resists while a weaker Shepard caves in. That's why a Shepard already on track for A/K would abandon them for her with little thought on the matter. A rejected Liara would grow disgruntled about how Shepard doesn't appreciate all she's done for him (never mind she'd be dead in the ruins of Therum had Shepard not come along) and have her bitterness turn her into an anti-human terrorist. I think this could work, especially after she uses her resources as the Shadow Broker to go after humans. Further, she can begin to systematically kill off anyone who knows she's the Shadow Broker. You know, you and Phantom just gave me an idea for that Venom/ME crossover I was playing on writing. I have been toying with the idea of expanding it to be a Marvel/ME expanded crossover. So I was thinking, what if I did a final short final storyline of an crazy, power obsessed Liara who's drunk on her own Power Kool Aid. And she draws the attention of a certain flaming skulled individual,whose out to bring down vengeance upon her... What do you think? |
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Post by themikefest on Dec 7, 2018 13:11:17 GMT
I do think that Liara will make a good villain. I don't see her being a good villain, but if she were a villain, I would want my Shepard be the one dealing with her.
What about having her as a fugitive? After the reapers are destroyed, the council wants to punish humanity for Cerberus. My Shepard fires back by producing evidence that the asari failed to reveal information that could have ended the war earlier saving lives. Liara gets very upset with that, gets in Shepard's face yelling at him/her then leaves the squad. My Shepard had enough of the asari's crap decides to inform the galaxy that Liara T'soni, aka smurfette, is the shadowbroker who played a role in having the asari not revealing the artifact earlier. Bounty hunters across the galaxy pursue her. In the meantime Shepard continues with her/his mission to darkspace. Once the mission is completed, Shepard learns t'soni has been captured. Shepard is given the option to kill her or let someone else kill her.  |
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Post by burningcherry on Dec 7, 2018 13:44:43 GMT
My Shepard had enough of the asari's crap decides to inform the galaxy that Liara T'soni, aka smurfette, is the shadowbroker who played a role in not having the asari reveal the artifact earlier. This would be the exact opposite of truth. |
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Post by themikefest on Dec 7, 2018 13:48:40 GMT
My Shepard had enough of the asari's crap decides to inform the galaxy that Liara T'soni, aka smurfette, is the shadowbroker who played a role in not having the asari reveal the artifact earlier. This would be the exact opposite of truth. I edited my post. |
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Post by burningcherry on Dec 7, 2018 14:03:31 GMT
This would be the exact opposite of truth. I edited my post. But it's still false. It was Liara who made them at least speak about Kahje and found the decrypion key there. |
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