melbella
N6
Trouble-shooting Space Diva
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: melbella
Prime Posts: 2186
Prime Likes: 5778
Posts: 7,939 Likes: 24,279
inherit
214
0
24,279
melbella
Trouble-shooting Space Diva
7,939
August 2016
melbella
Bottom
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
melbella
2186
5778
|
Post by melbella on Feb 22, 2020 0:48:36 GMT
More people didn't buy Andromeda, than bought Andromeda. This is true of every game ever made. Your statements are meaningless.
|
|
inherit
1363
0
Dec 31, 2021 19:39:42 GMT
1,233
garrusfan1
1,826
Aug 30, 2016 16:55:35 GMT
August 2016
garrusfan1
|
Post by garrusfan1 on Feb 22, 2020 3:22:21 GMT
Andromeda didn't lose money... it just didn't meet sales expectations and make as much money as EA wanted. Couple that with a floundering Anthem production and needing to shore it up and you have Andromeda being shelved at the time. Let's not act like Andromeda was such a failure that it lost money when every single indication has pointed to it making money, but nowhere near expectations. I don't think MEA was a failure. It was my least favorite mass effect game but that isn't an insult since I love all the others (minus the last ten minutes of ME3). Personally I think the number of people that hated it are alot less then people think. Those people were just very loud about it. And to those who didn't like it you are allowed to have your views and I am not saying everyone loved it.
|
|
ahglock
N5
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem
Origin: ShinobiKillfist
Posts: 2,869 Likes: 3,483
inherit
9886
0
3,483
ahglock
2,869
Feb 21, 2018 17:57:17 GMT
February 2018
ahglock
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem
ShinobiKillfist
|
Post by ahglock on Feb 22, 2020 14:26:46 GMT
Andromeda didn't lose money... it just didn't meet sales expectations and make as much money as EA wanted. Couple that with a floundering Anthem production and needing to shore it up and you have Andromeda being shelved at the time. Let's not act like Andromeda was such a failure that it lost money when every single indication has pointed to it making money, but nowhere near expectations. I don't think MEA was a failure. It was my least favorite mass effect game but that isn't an insult since I love all the others (minus the last ten minutes of ME3). Personally I think the number of people that hated it are alot less then people think. Those people were just very loud about it. And to those who didn't like it you are allowed to have your views and I am not saying everyone loved it. It doesn’t matter how many people who played it hated it, loved it, liked it etc. all that matters is how many copies did they sell. That’s what determines if it’s a failure. They look at that to decide if there will be a MeA2 Which may be slightly modified by a stat like # of people who downloaded it for free from access and played it for x hours or more. If 3 million bought it that’s not much incentive to invest in MEA2. Now if 20 million people downloaded it for free and played it to completion that might indicate a sequel could sell vastly better than the first in the series. We can make educated guesses on this but EA doesn’t release hard numbers often. Virtually all the evidence we do have access to though points towards really bad sales. Though the evidence is almost entirely circumstantial.
|
|
Polka Dot
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 679 Likes: 1,207
inherit
10957
0
Feb 14, 2019 20:07:41 GMT
1,207
Polka Dot
679
Feb 14, 2019 18:50:29 GMT
February 2019
polkadot
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Polka Dot on Feb 22, 2020 17:30:28 GMT
I don't think MEA was a failure. It was my least favorite mass effect game but that isn't an insult since I love all the others (minus the last ten minutes of ME3). Personally I think the number of people that hated it are alot less then people think. Those people were just very loud about it. And to those who didn't like it you are allowed to have your views and I am not saying everyone loved it. It doesn’t matter how many people who played it hated it, loved it, liked it etc. all that matters is how many copies did they sell. That’s what determines if it’s a failure. They look at that to decide if there will be a MeA2 Which may be slightly modified by a stat like # of people who downloaded it for free from access and played it for x hours or more. If 3 million bought it that’s not much incentive to invest in MEA2. Now if 20 million people downloaded it for free and played it to completion that might indicate a sequel could sell vastly better than the first in the series. We can make educated guesses on this but EA doesn’t release hard numbers often. Virtually all the evidence we do have access to though points towards really bad sales. Though the evidence is almost entirely circumstantial. # of copies sold isn't the only determinant of revenue from any game that includes mtx. There's also the question of subscriptions - Origin access, Playstation Plus, Xbox Live. I've no idea how/whether bean counters try to attribute subscription revenue to individual products, but every game in those libraries likely contribute to those subscription fees.
|
|
Arcian
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: GVArcian
XBL Gamertag: GVArcian
Prime Posts: 2473
Prime Likes: 2168
Posts: 928 Likes: 1,354
inherit
174
0
Nov 28, 2023 21:09:53 GMT
1,354
Arcian
928
August 2016
arcian
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
GVArcian
GVArcian
2473
2168
|
Post by Arcian on Feb 24, 2020 12:14:13 GMT
You speak for a vocal minority and more importantly yourself I disagree. More people didn't buy Andromeda, than bought Andromeda. So in speaking on Andromeda's problems, means I am automatically speaking for the majority and if I am part of that majority, then yes, I would also be speaking for myself. Are you trying to say that most people who bought the OT didn't buy Andromeda? Because as much as I hate Andromeda, obviously there are more people who didn't buy it than there are people who did buy it. That's true of every game ever made.
|
|
inherit
10735
0
Jul 17, 2022 15:59:28 GMT
362
sassafrassa
292
January 2019
sassafrassa
|
Post by sassafrassa on Feb 25, 2020 16:33:35 GMT
]I don't think MEA was a failure. If it wasn't a failure then why did the for-profit companies that own it treat like one? They quickly stopped releasing any patches for it, stopped advertising for it, and even cancelled all DLC for it. That indicates that they consider it a failure. You should understand that "making money" isn't really good enough in this industry. A game or a movie needs to do a lot more than just barely make back more than its budget. Consider the time investment. A game that spends several years in development is one you are hoping to make many times its budget back. After all, all that time could have been spent on other games that are far more profitable.
|
|
inherit
3439
0
9,182
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,831
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Feb 25, 2020 16:53:31 GMT
I'm not sure "many times" is actually correct there, but the general principle is sound. It's not enough just to not lose money, the project has to be profitable enough to be better than some alternative use of the capital.
|
|
Kabraxal
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 1,004 Likes: 2,731
inherit
3790
0
2,731
Kabraxal
1,004
Feb 23, 2017 18:40:36 GMT
February 2017
kabraxal
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Kabraxal on Feb 25, 2020 17:04:54 GMT
I'm not sure " many times" is actually correct there, but the general principle is sound. It's not enough just to not lose money, the project has to be profitable enough to be better than some alternative use of the capital. And given EA's obsession with Anthem and it's possible revenue stream, it's no surprise they gutted the ME:A team to try and get a broken mess out the door. EA is worried about setting up a continuous revenue stream and Andromeda was never going to offer that in the way a live service looter shooter could. This trend for live service games needs to die, but sadly it's probably going to be the majority of AAA gaming going forward.
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
Jan 24, 2024 17:47:40 GMT
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Feb 26, 2020 16:40:34 GMT
I'm not sure " many times" is actually correct there, but the general principle is sound. It's not enough just to not lose money, the project has to be profitable enough to be better than some alternative use of the capital. And given EA's obsession with Anthem and it's possible revenue stream, it's no surprise they gutted the ME:A team to try and get a broken mess out the door. EA is worried about setting up a continuous revenue stream and Andromeda was never going to offer that in the way a live service looter shooter could. This trend for live service games needs to die, but sadly it's probably going to be the majority of AAA gaming going forward. The nice thing about the live service model is that it's a good haven for creative bankruptcy. Simply craft a meaningful gameplay loop with some window dressing, throw in some swag for those addictive personalities, and you can essentially keep it going for quite a long time. It's done well for Epic's Fortnite....so far.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 26, 2020 17:21:26 GMT
This is true of every game ever made Less true for Grand Theft Auto v. Less true for The Witcher 3 etc. More true for Mass Effect Andromeda. Your statements are meaningless. As far as you can perceive, perhaps. The number of people that buy any given product that isn't toilet paper will probably be greatly outnumbered by people who don't, but what does that actually mean? There's no fixed number of people set to buy a product that decide not to. While that is true, there is a set userbase for consoles and PC games. A userbase that has, in this console cycle, increased exponentially, compared to previous generations and should provide Bioware with an equal growth in sales. When a company launches a product that people want, is good and people trust that company, they receive bigger growth in sales, compared to the growth of that market, with the end goal of achieving maximum sales, as there are available customers, in that market. We could go into greater depth into this, but I don't consider it prevalent, at this time. The point is that Bioware, as a division of EA, aims to make products that maximize sales, addresses as many customers in the base are available and aims to capture a bigger share with each new release. Bioware has failed to capture the market's growth and has actually regressed in terms of sales. Which means your previous customers were dissatisfied with your old product to an extent and, also based on reception of new games, did not return as part of your client base. Are you trying to say that most people who bought the OT didn't buy Andromeda? Not only that, but even addressing a new market audience did not compensate for that, even as the market for video games has, in general, grown considerably since 2010-2012. Also, we are no longer in a recession, meaning more people can afford greater disposable income, making a $60 title a much smaller investment, if they are on the fence. Which makes Andromeda's lackluster market performance even more egregious, by comparison. What this all means in the end is that the amount of people lost, as a client base, outweighs the remaining of the original client base, including the newly engaged userbase. To put it in mathematical terms, lets say the returning userbase is A, the userbase lost is B and the userbase gained is C. If userbase B is greater than userbase A and/or C, you fucked up. If userbase B is greater than both A and C together, then you fucked up royally. So far we know that A+B>A+C. From there we can surmise that B>A/C, but isn't at the point of B>A+C. With people being further disenchanted with Andromeda and with Anthem further sullying the brand name and the long time absence of Bioware's key franchises, how much longer will it be, continuing said course, till B>A+C becomes a reality?
|
|
inherit
975
0
Apr 13, 2024 10:00:53 GMT
1,677
cloud9
3,871
Aug 14, 2016 11:41:22 GMT
August 2016
cloud9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2
sicklyhour015
|
Post by cloud9 on Mar 5, 2020 13:13:51 GMT
Im afraid that BioWare is going to fuck up Mass Effect, again. I don't trust them anymore to make the game. So, they might as well partner with Obsidian Entertainment to make a Mass Effect game.
|
|
ahglock
N5
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem
Origin: ShinobiKillfist
Posts: 2,869 Likes: 3,483
inherit
9886
0
3,483
ahglock
2,869
Feb 21, 2018 17:57:17 GMT
February 2018
ahglock
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem
ShinobiKillfist
|
Post by ahglock on Mar 5, 2020 19:16:51 GMT
Im afraid that BioWare is going to fuck up Mass Effect, again. I don't trust them anymore to make the game. So, they might as well partner with Obsidian Entertainment to make a Mass Effect game. I’m not a huge fan of obsidian. There games are chock full of forced bad humor.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
30,251
Hanako Ikezawa
22,357
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 5, 2020 20:37:30 GMT
Im afraid that BioWare is going to fuck up Mass Effect, again. I don't trust them anymore to make the game. So, they might as well partner with Obsidian Entertainment to make a Mass Effect game. I’m not a huge fan of obsidian. There games are chock full of forced bad humor. Plus considering the last time they took a BioWare property to make a game with KOTOR 2, I’ll take BioWare over Obsidian any day.
|
|
inherit
975
0
Apr 13, 2024 10:00:53 GMT
1,677
cloud9
3,871
Aug 14, 2016 11:41:22 GMT
August 2016
cloud9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2
sicklyhour015
|
Post by cloud9 on Mar 6, 2020 5:48:46 GMT
Im afraid that BioWare is going to fuck up Mass Effect, again. I don't trust them anymore to make the game. So, they might as well partner with Obsidian Entertainment to make a Mass Effect game. I’m not a huge fan of obsidian. There games are chock full of forced bad humor. At least they made a game that choices matter that affect the outcome, whether it's side quests, good/evil choices, main campaign, and companions. (Which Mass Effect completely lacked) So yes, Obsidian Entertainment is the best option for Mass Effect.
|
|
inherit
Innocuous Alaskan
417
0
4,799
Trilobite Derby
Drinking rosehip tea, independently.
1,824
August 2016
akhadeed
|
Post by Trilobite Derby on Mar 9, 2020 6:42:34 GMT
I’m not a huge fan of obsidian. There games are chock full of forced bad humor. Plus considering the last time they took a BioWare property to make a game with KOTOR 2, I’ll take BioWare over Obsidian any day. Quite a lot of the time, I agree with you. ...But I disagree this time. I REALLY like KOTOR 2. Though it may be the same love I have for DA2 and MEA. Where I'm like, "The skeleton of the game under this is really cool, and as for the rest of it, well -mitigating factors-." ...Anyway, I wouldn't want an Obsidian Teamup because as much as I like some of their writing, plain ol' Bioware has given me four Mass Effect games I've genuinely enjoyed playing. And Mass Effect usually isn't my go-to platform for philosophy.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
30,251
Hanako Ikezawa
22,357
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 9, 2020 6:52:58 GMT
Plus considering the last time they took a BioWare property to make a game with KOTOR 2, I’ll take BioWare over Obsidian any day. Quite a lot of the time, I agree with you. ...But I disagree this time. I REALLY like KOTOR 2. Though it may be the same love I have for DA2 and MEA. Where I'm like, "The skeleton of the game under this is really cool, and as for the rest of it, well -mitigating factors-." ...Anyway, I wouldn't want an Obsidian Teamup because as much as I like some of their writing, plain ol' Bioware has given me four Mass Effect games I've genuinely enjoyed playing. And Mass Effect usually isn't my go-to platform for philosophy. I'm not saying that KOTOR 2 was bad. I really liked it too. But I love KOTOR 1 a lot more. That's what I meant, that Bioware does Bioware games a lot better than Obsidian does.
|
|
inherit
The Smiling Knight
538
0
21,889
smilesja
13,728
August 2016
smilesja
|
Post by smilesja on Mar 14, 2020 1:29:01 GMT
I think Obsidian gets way too much love in my view.
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
Jan 24, 2024 17:47:40 GMT
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Mar 14, 2020 22:32:13 GMT
I think Obsidian gets way too much love in my view. I would say the same for devs like CDPR. As good as the work they do is, I feel like a big part of the reason why people gush over them so hard is because the general climate of games in the AAA ecosystem is just not that great. In the case of Obsidian, a lot of the love they’re getting for their work on Outer Worlds is likely stemming primarily from the immense incompetence Bethesda has shown with the Fallout property. 76 has been such a hilariously bad effort on both the technical and even PR standpoint, a game that’s similar to something we’d expect from them that wasn’t a trash fire feels like a huge breath of fresh air.
|
|
inherit
TEH EVUL CREEP
1008
0
Sept 27, 2021 23:28:25 GMT
3,757
BamBam the Destroyer
I hunt, therefore I am
2,774
August 2016
jockcranley
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Mar 16, 2020 2:36:35 GMT
MOAR Speculation Original (Posted some time ago) ME:A2
|
|
inherit
975
0
Apr 13, 2024 10:00:53 GMT
1,677
cloud9
3,871
Aug 14, 2016 11:41:22 GMT
August 2016
cloud9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2
sicklyhour015
|
Post by cloud9 on Apr 26, 2020 5:09:48 GMT
We really need some news, to get back to an interesting discussion about the future of the series. But let's try it anyway. How would you continue the series if your job description says that you have to aknowledge both the trilogy and Andromeda? Do you think the Kett do in Andromeda what they do, because they prepare for a Reaper invasion? A problem most of our Shepards solved more than 600 years ago. Maybe the Kett are even what became of the Protheans (that went to Andromeda before us). Could the scourge actually be an unwanted side effect of the Crucible? Maybe the protagonist has to solve the Kett problem by either convincing them that the Reapers are no longer a threat for the universe or by a strategic victory against them... Just some brainstorming food for thought to end the seemingly never ending cycle going on here lately. If I were a BioWare game tester, I would play the trilogy from start to finish to take notes on how to revamp level design, overhaul and tweak gameplay, how to design choice based quests, and how to import those choices that can affect the world. (As well as fix plotholes and rewrite them) Then I would play Dragon Age: Origins to learn how to properly create a story, theme, characters, setting, and have choices matter in game and create endings thst can affect the outcome based in actions of the main character. So BioWare can start brainstorming, rewriting, and editing stories of Mass Effect.
|
|
inherit
217
0
Member is Online
2,753
General Mahad
You'll be peeling goddamn potatoes for the rest of your miserable excuse for a military career!
1,664
August 2016
vaas
|
Post by General Mahad on Apr 26, 2020 14:37:21 GMT
Andromeda didn't lose money... it just didn't meet sales expectations and make as much money as EA wanted. Couple that with a floundering Anthem production and needing to shore it up and you have Andromeda being shelved at the time. Let's not act like Andromeda was such a failure that it lost money when every single indication has pointed to it making money, but nowhere near expectations. You have to remember that EA ice’d game franchises and even studios for failing to meet their expectations.
|
|
inherit
410
0
2,857
Sartoz
6,035
August 2016
sartoz
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.hVm-5wNStlyTEXjhwDoa_wHaEK%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=8f745a5f30b08f8231ddb64664df7375d23cc10878aa50d66fec54e9d570c7e2&ipo=images
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Sartoz on Apr 26, 2020 21:59:40 GMT
Andromeda didn't lose money... it just didn't meet sales expectations and make as much money as EA wanted. Couple that with a floundering Anthem production and needing to shore it up and you have Andromeda being shelved at the time. Let's not act like Andromeda was such a failure that it lost money when every single indication has pointed to it making money, but nowhere near expectations. You have to remember that EA ice’d game franchises and even studios for failing to meet their expectations.
Yeah. And I blamed Bio management for their incompetence. One would think that with their years of experience, lessons would be learned from their previous game failures. ... Anthem being the most spectacular.
We'll see what happens....
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
946
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 16:16:50 GMT
Looking at the above image, Bioware did address the ending with the Extended Cut. However, by "addressing the ending", if you think that they were going to undo the effects of synthesis, control or destroy to allow the galaxy to continue on like nothing happened, that was never going to happen. Or completely rewrite the ending from scratch so that it "makes sense". A war like this was going to leave a pretty big dent in the shape of the galaxy. When the Reapers got done harvesting the Protheans their civilization was also in ruins like this cycle was.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 27, 2020 17:29:31 GMT
Looking at the above image, Bioware did address the ending with the Extended Cut I don't think, though I have no way to quantify it, either way, that the EC "fixed" the endings, or even addressed the clients, I won't use the word fans, the clients complaints. Evident by how, still, ME3 makes every "Top 10 Worst Endings" list. I once saw a "Top 10 Worst Endings" list about TV shows and they made a special exception for ME3 and included it on the list. It was right below "Lost". Suffice to say that the impression is that the EC didn't address people's complaints. if you think that they were going to undo the effects of synthesis, control or destroy to allow the galaxy to continue on like nothing happened, that was never going to happen I think people argued that neither of these choices made sense. For whatever reason, people don't grow green circuitry and unless all Reapers where overwritten by the blue beam, instead of just a single nearby Reaper, what does the blue beam even do? Just a couple of complaints among the many, many complaints that we've had, since the original endings happened. And I've gone on to say that, as far as the game goes, the Endings don't come close to being the biggest problem ME3 has, but it is executed so egregiously, like there was so little thought put into them. Or completely rewrite the ending from scratch so that it "makes sense". If anyone can blow the logic behind the endings apart, with little to virtually no effort and Bioware coming up with answers like "destroying is easier than erasing", or something like that? I mean, Kojima writes better bullshit. A war like this was going to leave a pretty big dent in the shape of the galaxy. No argument there. When the Reapers got done harvesting the Protheans their civilization was also in ruins like this cycle was. Yeah, but the Citadel and relays were left intact, in those cases and no overwhelming population of foreign forces were left trapped in a single cluster, with no way back to their home systems. We are talking about a collapse of civilization in the galactic scale and, possibly, a hellish existence for everyone left alive and the many more generations to come. There is a very good chance that all Milky Way civilizations could go extinct, from the post Reaper War state of the Galaxy. Earth is, probably, not even inhabitable. So all your friends stuck on Earth are likely going to die very soon and suffer terribly while doing so. I'm going to stop myself right here, because I am rambling. You get the point. I understand it is a costly battle and things will be bad, regardless, but fuck me, the end result isn't even worth the effort.
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
Jan 24, 2024 17:47:40 GMT
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Apr 28, 2020 8:25:12 GMT
Yeah, but the Citadel and relays were left intact, in those cases and no overwhelming population of foreign forces were left trapped in a single cluster, with no way back to their home systems. We are talking about a collapse of civilization in the galactic scale and, possibly, a hellish existence for everyone left alive and the many more generations to come. There is a very good chance that all Milky Way civilizations could go extinct, from the post Reaper War state of the Galaxy. Earth is, probably, not even inhabitable. So all your friends stuck on Earth are likely going to die very soon and suffer terribly while doing so. I'm going to stop myself right here, because I am rambling. You get the point. I understand it is a costly battle and things will be bad, regardless, but fuck me, the end result isn't even worth the effort.
To be fair, the only reason the Citadel and relays were intact is because the Protheans never even managed to complete their version of the Crucible.
Regarding foreign forces isolated to single clusters, that's very likely what happened to the Protheans too, since they were a galaxy-spanning empire that likely intermingled with a number of species likely settled well beyond their planets of origin. In any case, the point seems kind of moot, since any advanced civilizations were just flat out eradicated anyway.
Anyway, the EC essentially dispels any ideas of galactic collapse, or friends dying and suffering terribly in a high-EMS scenario. Whether one wants to accept what the appended epilogues show is another story.
|
|