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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2020 2:12:12 GMT
Not a consumer product which can be changed and altered to suit whatever you demand of them. Movies are kind of the same way. Yeah. And movies have budgets and make flops and put franchises on ice. Just ask Disney Wars and Terminator Dark Flop. I mean Fate. Dark Fate. Okay. *looks at Disney's Star Wars movies, shows, games, books, comics, etc in production* I think they're fine.
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Post by jamierose95 on May 19, 2020 2:51:53 GMT
Don't understand why some people on this forum want bioware to fail just remember a lot of great ips like dragon age and mass effect wouldn't never be made again. Just look at Dead space. Bioware will make amazing games again they just need the right leadership.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 3:05:56 GMT
A lot of people who worked on the original trilogy have left the company.
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Post by alanc9 on May 19, 2020 3:08:53 GMT
The plot doesn't say that. The Catalyst says that. Nobody says you have to believe him, and why would you? As for proving TIM right, why would you care what he thought? He was an enemy, he's dead now, and whatever he believed or didn't believe is of no importance. The Catalyst itself is an arbiter of the plot in the exact same manner that Vigil was on Ilos. Unlike others, I see absolutely no reason to trick or indoctrinate Shepard who is literally on death's door by that point. Hell, you don't even know how to even use the device till Starkid tells you how. The enemy having a point is a very common trope in nearly all media, especially nowadays. Very rarely are things so clear cut and that was also something highlighted in the trilogy. Otherwise, the Geth's perspective and what they thought would also have been of little importance, as they too were once "enemies." Never mind Shepard literally says that TIM was right. I'm not saying that I agree with the direction, just that is what was objectively presented to me as a player. There's nothing about the story which requires the Reapers to be right about what they were doing. And who said the Catalyst was lying? It's merely that he's wrong, as many villains are. I mean, if you want to believe him, you're allowed to. But its not a very common interpretation, and the case for it isn't very good.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2020 3:17:21 GMT
Don't understand why some people on this forum want bioware to fail just remember a lot of great ips like dragon age and mass effect wouldn't never be made again. Just look at Dead space. Bioware will make amazing games again they just need the right leadership. Again? They never stopped.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 3:23:40 GMT
The Catalyst itself is an arbiter of the plot in the exact same manner that Vigil was on Ilos. Unlike others, I see absolutely no reason to trick or indoctrinate Shepard who is literally on death's door by that point. Hell, you don't even know how to even use the device till Starkid tells you how. The Catalyst isn't the boy who stands before you. Subtitles say "Child" not "Catalyst".
So, there's no reason to indoctrinate Shepard? Then why are they indoctrinating or harvesting everyone else? In some places, you can see they've got these huge structures which gather up organics, and break down their genetic material to be used to make Reapers or Reaper troops.
In one part of the game it was said that the Reapers were inviting people to board a Reaper to propose a truce. Shepard than says, "anyone aboard a Reaper is going to become indoctrinated".
One of the soldiers on the Normandy states "they make their soldiers out of our civilians".
Why does Harbinger take such a special interest in Shepard? Why did Sovereign recognize Shepard as a potential ally? Why does Harbinger yell "struggle if you wish your mind will be mine" during the Arrival DLC? As indoctrination is "an insidious means of corrupting organic minds". Why do the Reapers say that synthesis and control are the ideal solutions? They want you to accept their ideals. Seems pretty obvious that they are trying to indoctrinate him. Technically he doesn't tell you to grab those power conduits, shoot the tube, or take a leap of faith. That's what activates the Crucible. It's through Shepard's actions that makes the Crucible work. As far as what each choice does, the outcomes are determined by the Crucible, not the Starchild. It was the blueprints which ultimately decided what choices you have.
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Post by themikefest on May 19, 2020 11:37:13 GMT
Technically he doesn't tell you to grab those power conduits, shoot the tube, or take a leap of faith. For the red and blue, Shepard sees visions of what to do. The green gets nothing. The thing says add your essence to the crucible. That doesn't mean jump in the beam. It could be a strand of hair, skin flakes, blood, urine or taking a crap. My Shepard plays stupid. She/he doesn't know what to do for the green, decides to shoot the tube since there's a weapon in her/his right hand. Wouldn't ems determine what choices Shepard has? Yes the plans have the choices, but it comes down to ems deciding what choices are available. Depending on ems, thing would only mention blue and red, and if ems is really low, it will only give the blue or red choice.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 19, 2020 13:41:54 GMT
I don't see how they could create an ending that everyone likes You don't have to. And that entire line of reasoning ends there. It's not your job. It's not my job, either. If it were, maybe I'd have that answer for you. In fact, I've answered that very question before. Multiple times, even. What kind of a writer writes peer-reviewe.d? It's supposed to be peer-reviewed. Sometimes, my one hand types faster than the other. And I don't always catch it. It's a neurological problem, most likely, from a disk that went through my spine and nearly severed my spinal cord from the neck down. My left side has been permanently damaged. Next question. When games are being developed, they are usually under an NDA. So Jason Schreier, an outsider, coming into the studio and walking out spewing this stuff is really an NDA breach Oh, so I guess EA would be suing his ass, then. Because that is a lot of laundry he let out. Still no lawsuit? How about suing him for libel? Surely, there's damage being caused by a journalist spewing lies or half truths? Still no? Boy, Jason Schreier must have EA by the balls, then, to do whatever he wants and get away with it. Because, surely, anyone else would have sued the fuck out of them. Realistically, his grankids would still be paying for his brevity. But he's not and he won't. Meaning that EA's legal team has no leg to try anything against him, nor his publication. Just look at what the Hulkster was able to do to Gawker and EA didn't even have a leg to do that. And EA would not be above putting Kotaku out of business for several or perhaps tens of millions. Where is this list you made? What is logically consistent? If you're referring to the Starchild's opinion that organics and synthetics can't get along, the Reaper on Rannoch said the same thing. See, this is why they have editors. That it is consistent with the Reaper of Rannoch means nothing. You have an entity that resides in the Citadel, but has no ability to interact in the Citadel and has to rely on the Keepers to do it for him. Not only that, but the Reapers are AIs beyond our comprehension ad they kill millions of civilizations, to harvest one per cycle, to join their ranks and some backwater organic comes up with the Synthesis option for the crucible that effectively spares everyone, forever. Instead the intelligence "beyond out comprehension" promotes an endless bloodbath of agony, despair and conflict, that thins even the Reapers numbers, per harvest. They also enable Synthetics to kill the Organics, they were supposed to preserve, by aiding the Geth. Just off the top of my head. I get that they are "beyond our comprehension", but being "beyond our comprehension", because they are stupid, was probably not what the writers were aiming for. As for the list itself HereNo, Patrick Weekes forum account was hacked Absolutely. And I am sure some hacker leaked the entirety of TLoU2, by successfully bypassing credentials and local authentication certificates, with no prior knowledge to infrastructure protocols. Yeah. Totally. I can tell you, the possibility of this "exploit" being present in a patch, detailing the entire network infrastructure of Naughty Dog, to allow for such access varies from impossible to inept.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 19, 2020 14:10:04 GMT
They're not fine. Solo lost money, the culmination of the "Skywalker Saga" made half the money of TFA and was beat out by Rogue One and even Joker. Joker was a $50 million production, without even the benefit of the Holiday Season, to make 1 billion. And that is after TLJ made $500 million less than TFA and while some people will say "it's only natural" that the second film in a trilogy makes less money than the first. Which is why Disney considered it a failure when the Avengers 2 made $100 million less than the first avengers. Star Wars is limping by thanks to the Mandalorian, the Cassian Andor show is DoA, Kenobi may be scraped entirely, at this point, as a multitude of issues have risen with its production, an addition to COVID delays. Star Wars died with TLJ, Mass Effect died with ME3.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 19, 2020 16:38:26 GMT
Each to their own (that's up for debate). But it's the general opinion on what makes a franchise sink or swim. People tend to forget about that. From what I observed, the haters think they are the majority, and thus must be listened to.
From what Bioware/EA observed, they are not the majority.
To be fair, everyone thinks that their side is the majority. I honestly don't really care one way or another, I'm content to do my own things.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 17:17:48 GMT
As for the list itself HereIf that was posted in the remaster thread, your ideas kind of miss the point of a remaster. Look at how they remastered ST:TNG, X-Files, etc. The story doesn't change, but the resolution of the show is much higher than before. That is ultimately what will happen.
Sometimes, my one hand types faster than the other. And I don't always catch it. It's a neurological problem, most likely, from a disk that went through my spine and nearly severed my spinal cord from the neck down. My left side has been permanently damaged. Next question. Sorry, not buying it. Even I correct punctuation mistakes and such as I type, and I'm not a professional writer myself. Although I've been told I have good writing skills. That is not Patrick Weekes, it is an imposter. I'm going to take the real Patrick Weekes word over this imposters. The real Patrick Weekes denied those allegations and I am going to concur with him.
That it is consistent with the Reaper of Rannoch means nothing. You have an entity that resides in the Citadel, but has no ability to interact in the Citadel and has to rely on the Keepers to do it for him. Not only that, but the Reapers are AIs beyond our comprehension ad they kill millions of civilizations, to harvest one per cycle, to join their ranks and some backwater organic comes up with the Synthesis option for the crucible that effectively spares everyone, forever. Instead the intelligence "beyond out comprehension" promotes an endless bloodbath of agony, despair and conflict, that thins even the Reapers numbers, per harvest. They also enable Synthetics to kill the Organics, they were supposed to preserve, by aiding the Geth. Just off the top of my head. I get that they are "beyond our comprehension", but being "beyond our comprehension", because they are stupid, was probably not what the writers were aiming for.
You're taking what it says waaaay too literally. That's not what's going on there. Besides that " Reapers have us fighting each other", was mentioned earlier. That is kind of what they want.
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Post by themikefest on May 19, 2020 17:33:39 GMT
You have an entity that resides in the Citadel, but has no ability to interact in the Citadel and has to rely on the Keepers to do it for him. If it can't interact in the Citadel, who/what raised the platform with Shepard on it? Did thing tell the keepers to do that? How about who/what raised the platforms for red and blue then extend the platform for green? Did thing get on the intercom to tell the keepers to do that? How about when Shepard refuses to make a choice? Thing walks off with the crucible being shutoff. Did thing shut power off for that part of the Citadel or did it tell the keepers to do that? How about if control is chosen? The player sees the arms to the Citadel close. Did the thing part 2, the human formerly named Shepard, do that, or did it have the keepers do that?
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 19, 2020 20:16:47 GMT
If that was posted in the remaster thread, your ideas kind of miss the point of a remaster. Look at how they remastered ST:TNG, X-Files, etc. The story doesn't change, but the resolution of the show is much higher than before. That is ultimately what will happen. I've said numerous times, the remaster will be a texture pack with reshade, that will be far more buggy than the games originally were and will have far higher requirements than they should. You're taking what it says waaaay too literally So far, I've been told by users here that I am not paying attention, while simultaneously told that I am paying way too much attention, taking things too literally, not taking things literally enough and how the fuck can I be all these things, at the same time, always be wrong and none of this being the writer's fault? It is so improbable that the writer has fucked up, on multiple fronts, at the same time?
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 19, 2020 20:17:23 GMT
If it can't interact in the Citadel, who/what raised the platform with Shepard on it? Did thing tell the keepers to do that? How about who/what raised the platforms for red and blue then extend the platform for green? Did thing get on the intercom to tell the keepers to do that? How about when Shepard refuses to make a choice? Thing walks off with the crucible being shutoff. Did thing shut power off for that part of the Citadel or did it tell the keepers to do that? How about if control is chosen? The player sees the arms to the Citadel close. Did the thing part 2, the human formerly named Shepard, do that, or did it have the keepers do that? We can't criticize that, man. According to Hanako Ikezawa and Highwayman667, you can't criticize a writer, unless you've written a book yourself. And don't you dare ever criticize Mein Kampf. That's right, you can't criticize Hitler. No, you-don't! Don't! You're not a writer, themikefest, you've been prohibited by Hanako Ikezawa and Highwayman667 from criticizing Hitler's literary work. You have to accept Hitler's final solution.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 19, 2020 20:21:21 GMT
From what I observed, the haters think they are the majority, and thus must be listened to.
From what Bioware/EA observed, they are not the majority. If that were so, Andromeda would not have lost money. If that were so, Mass Effect would not have been put on ice. If that were so, we wouldn't need to run back to the Trilogy, to reinvigorate interest in Mass Effect. Which brings us back to what I have been saying for a while now; bad data. EA has been fed bad data. Or they've been very inept at interpreting the good data they have been given.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 19, 2020 20:28:21 GMT
We can't criticize that, man. According to Hanako Ikezawa and Highwayman667 , you can't criticize a writer, unless you've written a book yourself. And don't you dare ever criticize Mein Kampf. That's right, you can't criticize Hitler. No, you-don't! Don't! You're not a writer, themikefest , you've been prohibited by Hanako Ikezawa and Highwayman667 from criticizing Hitler's literary work. You have to accept Hitler's final solution. ...it's incredibly important when the criticisms of people who know absolutely nothing about writing or game development, question the capacity and insult the very people involved in projects they've enjoyed before. Not only is it contradictory but highly toxic and disrespectful behavior towards any kind of trained professional.That's what I actually said
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 19, 2020 20:31:37 GMT
That's what I actually said Right. You called me ignorant, disrespectful and toxic for daring to criticize a writer, because, apparently, I am not a writer. Therefore, by extension of your own account, I am not allowed to judge Mein Kampf.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2020 20:43:10 GMT
We can't criticize that, man. According to Hanako Ikezawa and Highwayman667 , you can't criticize a writer, unless you've written a book yourself. And don't you dare ever criticize Mein Kampf. That's right, you can't criticize Hitler. No, you-don't! Don't! You're not a writer, themikefest , you've been prohibited by Hanako Ikezawa and Highwayman667 from criticizing Hitler's literary work. You have to accept Hitler's final solution. ...it's incredibly important when the criticisms of people who know absolutely nothing about writing or game development, question the capacity and insult the very people involved in projects they've enjoyed before. Not only is it contradictory but highly toxic and disrespectful behavior towards any kind of trained professional.That's what I actually said Don’t feed them. Anyone who invites Godwin’s Law shouldn’t be taken seriously.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2020 20:43:38 GMT
That's what I actually said Right. You called me ignorant, disrespectful and toxic for daring to criticize a writer, because, apparently, I am not a writer. Therefore, by extension of your own account, I am not allowed to judge Mein Kampf. So to you BioWare = Hitler. Good to know.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 19, 2020 20:48:25 GMT
So to you BioWare = Hitler. Good to know. No. To me writer=writer.
By the way, I'm really starting to see your reasoning, there. Of course you would parallel Bioware to Hitler.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 21:42:40 GMT
From what I observed, the haters think they are the majority, and thus must be listened to.
From what Bioware/EA observed, they are not the majority. If that were so, Andromeda would not have lost money. If that were so, Mass Effect would not have been put on ice. If that were so, we wouldn't need to run back to the Trilogy, to reinvigorate interest in Mass Effect. Which brings us back to what I have been saying for a while now; bad data. EA has been fed bad data. Or they've been very inept at interpreting the good data they have been given. Andromeda's issue was due to mismanagement and improper tools for the job (eg. Frostbite).
You just want them to go back to the trilogy, so you can get your much sought after sequel to ME3. With a new ending, and everything fixed.
Bioware, on the other hand, has said many times they don't want to do this.
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Post by burningcherry on May 20, 2020 3:22:45 GMT
...it's incredibly important when the criticisms of people who know absolutely nothing about writing or game development, question the capacity and insult the very people involved in projects they've enjoyed before. Not only is it contradictory but highly toxic and disrespectful behavior towards any kind of trained professional. That's what I actually said Right. You called me ignorant, disrespectful and toxic for daring to criticize a writer, because, apparently, I am not a writer. Therefore, by extension of your own account, I am not allowed to judge Mein Kampf. You really don't see the difference?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 5:52:34 GMT
...it's incredibly important when the criticisms of people who know absolutely nothing about writing or game development, question the capacity and insult the very people involved in projects they've enjoyed before. Not only is it contradictory but highly toxic and disrespectful behavior towards any kind of trained professional.That's what I actually said That's one of the reasons people like David Gaider and the two founding doctors left the building. They couldn't deal with the toxic fanbase anymore.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 20, 2020 6:06:17 GMT
...it's incredibly important when the criticisms of people who know absolutely nothing about writing or game development, question the capacity and insult the very people involved in projects they've enjoyed before. Not only is it contradictory but highly toxic and disrespectful behavior towards any kind of trained professional.That's what I actually said That's one of the reasons people like David Gaider and the two founding doctors left the building. They couldn't deal with the toxic fanbase anymore. Jennifer Hepler too.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 7:23:28 GMT
Doesn't just affect Bioware, this toxicity is everywhere.
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