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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 20:39:21 GMT
Is there supposed to be a link or a picture in the OP? Because, I really have no idea what that post is about? There is a group picture of Bio-ladies with Anita on twitter. Some follow-up posts about inspiration to women in the gaming industry and gaming. (Shrug) I suppose it’s controversial.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 26, 2018 20:39:29 GMT
urgh unsettling, could have just been a PR stunt. Bioware needs to distance themselves from politics especially identity politics if they want Anthem to succeed. I fear we may never see DA4 the way things are going. If Bioware dies, it's not going to be because of identity politics. It's likely to be because they published two games in a row where potentially strong stories were weighed down by extraneous filler in the name of "more and bigger" and, if Anthem isn't more successful, that will be three in a row that weren't up to their past standards. Adding more minority characters, or removing some of the ones that were already there, wouldn't have made iteration #3,876 of "jump out of the Nomad to fight some random wild animal while the Kett air-drop forces to shoot at you" any less tedious.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 20:45:11 GMT
There is a group picture of Bio-ladies with Anita. Some follow-up posts about inspiration to women in the gaming industry and gaming. (Shrug) I suppose it’s controversial. What is controversial is Sarkeesian, not "women in the gaming industry and gaming". I don’t care who she is. What I care about is more games where I can create a female lead, be a cool heroine and pick a romance with an awesome male character, and neither my char, no other female characters appears to be dressed to fit into a bordello setting. I am unperturbed if the awesome males romance male leads too, so long as they will romance a girl-lead. I wanted this since 1999, and I keep wanting it. I don’t want to be niche. I don’t want niche games “for women”. I want just games and be a heroic girl lead in them, that is not different from a male one. If that’s what that woman stands for, I am with her. If not, well, I don’t care.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jan 26, 2018 20:50:41 GMT
urgh unsettling, could have just been a PR stunt. Bioware needs to distance themselves from politics especially identity politics if they want Anthem to succeed. I fear we may never see DA4 the way things are going. If Bioware dies, it's not going to be because of identity politics. It's likely to be because they published two games in a row where potentially strong stories were weighed down by extraneous filler in the name of "more and bigger" and, if Anthem isn't more successful, that will be three in a row that weren't up to their past standards. Adding more minority characters, or removing some of the ones that were already there, wouldn't have made iteration #3,876 of "jump out of the Nomad to fight some random wild animal while the Kett air-drop forces to shoot at you" any less tedious. I've never cared about sjw or identity politics in my favorite games or entertainment in general. I usually just shrug my shoulders or rolled my eyes and would say whatever and keep playing the game but that is on a personal level but on a larger level as far as the overall fan base and gaming community at large is concerned it has become a factor and it has been used as an excuse to bash bioware and their games in general. There were probably just as many complaints about sjw as there were about poor animations. Whether or not you think there was an sjw agenda present in MEA or not (for the record I did not think MEA was filled with sjw propaganda in it even there were sjw devs working on the game) but that is the impression that some people have fair or not. By inviting Anita to tour their offices they are just throwing gasoline on a fire they should be trying to put out.
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Post by Arkhne on Jan 26, 2018 21:14:33 GMT
What is controversial is Sarkeesian, not "women in the gaming industry and gaming". I don’t care who she is. What I care about is more games where I can create a female lead, be a cool heroine and pick a romance with an awesome male character, and neither my char, no other female characters appears to be dressed to fit into a bordello setting. I am unperturbed if the awesome males romance male leads too, so long as they will romance a girl-lead. I wanted this since 1999, and I keep wanting it. I don’t want to be niche. I don’t want niche games “for women”. I want just games and be a heroic girl lead in them, that is not different from a male one. If that’s what that woman stands for, I am with her. If not, well, I don’t care. This. When given the option, I will ALWAYS pick the woman. And I expect her to be equally badarse. I want the option to headbutt krogan, and punch idiots with her. I want the option to romance whoever I like (or no one at all, if none appeal to ME personally). I DON'T want to see some mimsy excuse of a girl afraid to break a nail in the lead. I want my lead to be as at ease on the ship/city, as she is in combat boots, laying the smackdown on some bad guys. I have a hell of a lot of fun playing as FemShep in ME2, I get to badarse my way around the galaxy, headbutting pyjaks and killing merc scum, and I find it glorious fun. At the end of the day, isn't that all that matters from a video game? That you had fun? Wasted some time? Shot some aliens, banged some others?
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Post by smilesja on Jan 26, 2018 21:29:58 GMT
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 26, 2018 21:40:06 GMT
Is there supposed to be a link or a picture in the OP? Because, I really have no idea what that post is about? Some browsers break the in-thread tweet (clearly yours does) So you can see it: Anita Sarkeesian @anitasarkeesian I had such a great time touring @bioware’s Edmonton office and having tea with this great group of women (and allies!). Thanks for your hospitality.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 26, 2018 21:44:47 GMT
I found a petition wanting Anita to be removed from Mirror's Edge, which EA responded to by denying that Anita had ever worked for them. I know what you are referring to, I didn't mean that. There was something else, but I'm not finding it right now. But as I said, whether she works for them or not, my point still stands. I believe it was Twitter, not EA. She was on their "Trust and Safety Council" Which pretty much amounted to 1984's Ministry of Truth.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 26, 2018 21:47:18 GMT
Where exactly is the line between simply adding diversity to the cast of a video game or any other work of fiction and being an "SJW"? Personally I dislike the term "SJW" in the first place because I don't think it's ever a good idea to take a term that *should* imply something good (in this case "social justice") and turn it into a term of mockery.
But let's run with it and assume that we're talking about people who take the concept of social justice and carry it to some absurd extreme. I really don't see where Bioware is doing that, or why anybody would think that they are. The Mass Effect and Dragon Age games have non-human characters who are sometimes smarter or more noble than the humans, and you have the option to play your character as female, non-white, or gay/lesbian/bisexual and sometimes have squadmates who check off one or more of those boxes. But aside from the potential for interspecies conflict (which I assume we can agree is probably realistic), issues of identity don't tend to drive the stories of the games. They're relevant primarily to the relationships between the player-character and the squadmates. Even when there's a brief sidequest like Dorian's father in DA:I or Cortez and the memorial wall in ME3, it has next to zero impact on the main plot and just affects the interactions you might have after that.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 26, 2018 21:54:55 GMT
EDIT: Ignore - I was quoting the wrong section of the book.
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Post by bshep on Jan 26, 2018 22:01:26 GMT
And here is people OVERREACTING again... All this whining just because she visited Bioware and posted a picture with the female staff? Really? I wonder how much paranoid or insecure one must be to make all this storm in a teacup. BSN, BSN never changes...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:07:01 GMT
I like men. I have no quarrel with men. I want the same things the men want in their games: excitement, adventure and characters that look attractive while are dressed to look cool. I have seen games that achieved it pleasing both males and me, a female, KOTOR2, ME2, ME3, MEA, Jade Empire, DAO, DA2 (well, okay, DA2 is hated or whatever), and Tyranny.
I want more games like that. Mainstream, and not subscribing to the extremes of Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus.
I am puzzled at the growing need to rip the humanity apart now at the gender divide, and I am of a firm belief that a human is a human is a human. I figure that a man can enjoy a game where the female lead character does not wear a thong and does not thumb her vagina on the way to pulling her pistol from her high-heeled boot while opening her legs real wide.
I have no interest in either macho-man or cougar-ball stuff - THAT imo should be niche and indie.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jan 26, 2018 22:09:52 GMT
That dude in the back though. Can't figure out why they'd invite this woman to their offices. Her twitter banner alone...I mean geez.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 26, 2018 22:10:05 GMT
I believe it was Twitter, not EA. She was on their "Trust and Safety Council" Which pretty much amounted to 1984's Ministry of Truth. www.george-orwell.org/1984/18.htmlSomehow I suspect none of that is happening at Twitter HQ. Whoops! Just realized I was quoting from the portion dealing with the Ministry of Love, not the Ministry of Truth.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 26, 2018 22:11:37 GMT
in advance : Please do not start a flame war. This is bad. Like real bad. This woman has nothing to do with videogames and feminism and equality. Goodbye bioware. All this time i kept defending bioware about "diversity" and not sjw stuff. i can't do it. Next game will be the same forced identity politics. I will never see a well realised character like Dorian. only forced B.S Yes i am salty. the last thing that should matter to bioware is to get their sh&t straight. not identity politics and diversity. rant mode off. Noo, I was just about to find this tweet as a reply before the page loaded. But can you blame them? They're canadian. They believe the world is black and white and men/white people are evil because some professional victims cried wolf.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:17:45 GMT
Personally, I find the idea that every game needs to appeal to absolutely everyone, rather strange and disconcerting. Money talks. Large productions can only be justified by large audiences. I don't think that the extreme tastes are prevalent. A little bit of smoothing things over and evening things out goes a long way to make a great game a lot of peeps would love.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jan 26, 2018 22:20:10 GMT
That dude in the back though. Can't figure out why they'd invite this woman to their offices. Her twitter banner alone...I mean geez.That's what I am saying. Regardless of where people stand on this identity politics stuff this is not good PR for them (even if the mainstream media loves it).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:20:54 GMT
Money talks. Large productions can only be justified by large audiences. I don't think that the extreme tastes are prevalent. Right. And an example for "extreme tastes" would be The Witcher 3?... That small game that totally failed?...
Well, would it have been so horribly bad if some males in it looked handsome and there was an option to play a female lead and romance men in addition to what's already there? Lots of people loved playing Ciri, right? Where is the harm?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:28:48 GMT
Other games have exclusive female leads. Different strokes different folks. And that's precisely that I do not want. To be pointed at Bayonetta, when I say I want more games like the Mass Effect. The games that are successful in leaving the hero creation to the player and treating the said character in the same way in the narrative. In 2017 the only big game that let you create you own lead was Andromeda. In 2018 it's going to be Greedfall, a half-indie.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jan 26, 2018 22:29:48 GMT
Right. And an example for "extreme tastes" would be The Witcher 3?... That small game that totally failed?...
Well, would it have been so horribly bad if some males in it looked handsome and there was an option to play a female lead and romance men in addition to what's already there? Lots of people loved playing Ciri, right? Where is the harm? One of the reasons I prefer playing DA and TES to the witcher series is that I feel I can play any type of character I want in those games while (gender, race, and class options go a long way in replayability) but in fairness Gerahlt was meant to be a set in stone character which admitedly does have it's own advantages but overall I prefer choice to set in stone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:37:50 GMT
I was actually speaking of the recent game with the dino-robots, or games like "Life is Strange", as examples for games that were made either to appeal to females, or specifically to your tastes. So because I am a female I must enjoy the Life is Strange? A niche game with no combat, all-out-angst and a girl-on-girl romance, after I just expressly talked about loving beating the crap out of the mobs, being a hero and romancing good-looking men? I am a girl, hence it follows I should love "that sort of things"? Okay, I will reword it. I precisely do not want to be pointed to "Life is Strange" when I say that I want more games like Mass Effect. The games that are successful in leaving the hero creation to the player and treating the said character in the same way in the narrative. I specifically do not want anyone to assume what I would like in my games based on my gender. I do not want games made specially for girls. I want to play games made for humans.
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Post by turianlannister on Jan 26, 2018 22:43:32 GMT
I must miss the context, what's wrong with the photo ? Too many women ? Too many hot women ? Too many not so hot women ? No, a terrible, anti-male person visited BioWare offices. May I remind you that she only got the amount of money she did with her kickstarter because she got flamed and trolled and had a lot of sexism directed at her over said kickstarter. If she hadn't been subject to abuse her kickstarter might not even have gotten the initial funding she was looking for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:49:37 GMT
Hence why you have "Life is Strange", and why you ALSO have TW3, and you ALSO have Mass Effect or Dragon age. I simply want more games like Mass Effect. That envisions their audience as "a human".
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Post by river82 on Jan 26, 2018 22:55:38 GMT
In 2017 the only big game that let you create you own lead was Andromeda. In 2018 it's going to be Greedfall, a half-indie. Monster Hunter: World, but I've never played the series so I've no idea if it's any good
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