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Post by melbella on Jan 27, 2018 2:52:23 GMT
Is there supposed to be a link or a picture in the OP? Because, I really have no idea what that post is about? Some browsers break the in-thread tweet (clearly yours does) Thanks SofaJockey Now that I'm on my home computer the image loads fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 3:28:22 GMT
That's completely correct. TW3 did not eliminate a female protagonist. It added one compared to TW1/2, as well as corrected some silliness like those cards in the first one. And was better received than the prequels, and sold more. See how it did not ruin it to have a playable female hero as well as a male? It didn't really have a playable female lead, it had a few relatively short missions you play as a different character which exists in the same universe at the same time. Meaning another predefined character. In any case, it wasn't a significant portion of the game. There was no need to add reactivity and tailor everything along the entire game for two characters.
As for those cards, I find the outrage absolutely hilarious. They couldn't make good sex scenes at the time, but wanted to include a tantalizing aspect into the game, so they went with some sexy art on cards. Big deal.
And neither of those actions changed anything about the wonderful game that so many enjoyed. Hence, your concern about adding more content in the same vein impacting the potential quality of future games is really not justified, particularly as technical assets become more cheap with the improvements in technology. So, as time goes on, there will be possibility to add a female lead as well as male with content that remains on the same or better level as in W3, and the audiences will not mind because they did not mind what was added (or removed) in W3 vs W2 and W1.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 27, 2018 3:41:30 GMT
No, a terrible, anti-male person visited BioWare offices. May I remind you that she only got the amount of money she did with her kickstarter because she got flamed and trolled and had a lot of sexism directed at her over said kickstarter. If she hadn't been subject to abuse her kickstarter might not even have gotten the initial funding she was looking for. I don't know anything about her kickstarter. What I do know is that I dislike what she represents. She's the extreme left, which is just as shitty as the extreme right.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 27, 2018 3:51:44 GMT
in advance : Please do not start a flame war. This is bad. Like real bad. This woman has nothing to do with videogames and feminism and equality. Goodbye bioware. All this time i kept defending bioware about "diversity" and not sjw stuff. i can't do it. Next game will be the same forced identity politics. I will never see a well realised character like Dorian. only forced B.S Yes i am salty. the last thing that should matter to bioware is to get their sh&t straight. not identity politics and diversity. rant mode off. ...Dorian was two games ago and I do not know of any of their other characters who have not been fully realized.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 27, 2018 4:09:30 GMT
Bioware is washed up?
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Post by smilesja on Jan 27, 2018 4:11:34 GMT
Anita hasn't been relevant in years. Haven't we learned not to engage her? She's so irrelevant that she was invited to speak in front of the UN. Bioware also probably invited her because she's irrelevant. Right? It was even the UN, it was the UN Women branch. To be honest her "research" she presented was laughed off and she hasn't been relevant since,
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 27, 2018 4:13:52 GMT
Yes, I think so. We're now on the grand tour of Manveer, The Witcher 3 and the death of BioWare. This rabbit hole is going nowhere that isn't resulting in a fight. So we're done here. EDIT: Must have been tired, didn't actually lock it properly. Oh well, under the principle of double jeopardy, let's see where the discussion goes...
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 27, 2018 4:40:22 GMT
Bioware is more like a dried up husk that does not realize that it's time is up.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 27, 2018 4:42:11 GMT
Bioware is more like a dried up husk that does not realize that it's time is up.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 27, 2018 4:45:29 GMT
Bioware is more like a dried up husk that does not realize that it's time is up. When Bioware's Destiny clone fails. Who will be laughing then?
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Post by warrior on Jan 27, 2018 4:48:29 GMT
in advance : Please do not start a flame war. Good luck with that. Dude, you've just posted the flame-baitiest topic in weeks. lol seriously someone was bored....
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Post by smilesja on Jan 27, 2018 4:48:30 GMT
When Bioware's Destiny clone fails. Who will be laughing then? Noone since we have little information to go by now.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 27, 2018 5:02:27 GMT
Why would you feel the need to defend Bioware over something they weren't doing in the first place?
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 27, 2018 5:04:03 GMT
Well, would it have been so horribly bad if some males in it looked handsome and there was an option to play a female lead and romance men in addition to what's already there? Lots of people loved playing Ciri, right? Where is the harm? One of the reasons I prefer playing DA and TES to the witcher series is that I feel I can play any type of character I want in those games while (gender, race, and class options go a long way in replayability) but in fairness Gerahlt was meant to be a set in stone character which admitedly does have it's own advantages but overall I prefer choice to set in stone. I think the problem with the Witcher is that it was the 3rd game in the series. And since Geralt was the main character in the first and second, you can't just change that. However, that's a big reason I never got in to playing it. I don't want to play as geralt. I want to make my own character.
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Post by vallixas on Jan 27, 2018 5:25:26 GMT
Personally I dislike the term "SJW" in the first place because I don't think it's ever a good idea to take a term that *should* imply something good (in this case "social justice") and turn it into a term of mockery. True enough, however just because something should be good theoretically, doesn't mean it's always used for good. Just like any ideology, crazies often attach themselves to them and due to the fact they are often far more vocal, they happen to pollute the ideology and become the defining characteristic. For example, wanting to change the Greek names in maths because it "promotes whiteness and the idea that whites are superior at math", is just dumb as fuck. "It is fascist that Comedy, Drama, Romance are named so it promotes the idea that whites invented cinema". Person didn't know the history of cinematography and how Ancient Greece developed those genres haha. Now see this, is when the term sjw should be applied in a negative manner. Unfortunately a lot of people use the word as an insult when it's unecessary.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 27, 2018 5:43:21 GMT
And then there's the fact that the term "SJW" has literally been used to defend Nazi apologism.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 27, 2018 6:26:47 GMT
That's not very specific; it's not even really an answer. Can you give an example of something TW3 did that isn't related to LIs which ME couldn't do? Or is ME not a game with a high degree of customisation in the first place? I think my answer was fairly clear. When you have a predefined character, NPCs reactions are much more immersive, as they they address a specific character with specific features, past, abilities, etc. But Shepard is a character with specific features and a specific past. Ryder too That leaves abilities. I suppose there might be some variance because some PCs are biotic while others are not, but that would be quite limited. It's more of a problem for Dragon Age, which has been known to spectacularly botch this. This one's fair, though. I'm terminally insensitive to cutscenes and animations myself, so I'd never remember or notice these points. (This causes me gameplay problems with some Bio bosses, naturally.) This is a point for ME-style on my personal rating system, since I'm giving up customization and getting nothing.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 27, 2018 6:32:59 GMT
Good luck with that. Dude, you've just posted the flame-baitiest topic in weeks. lol seriously someone was bored.... Amazingly, though, we didn't really go for it.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 27, 2018 6:37:27 GMT
Anita, the constantly overrated. I find myself sometimes on the defensive with my opinion that she may be a scammer (or at least more opportunistic than genuine), but I can't help it. She reeeks of it. And since I've started my views of this sort of thing ('Is this person a professional liar?'), I've been almost always found correct, eventually. So whatever. Enjoy, Bioware. (Find better feminists.)
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Post by Fredward on Jan 27, 2018 7:59:32 GMT
People still get this triggered over Sarkeesian huh? Such stamina.
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Post by warrior on Jan 27, 2018 10:05:45 GMT
lol seriously someone was bored.... Amazingly, though, we didn't really go for it. It's only page 6. I'll check in at page 26.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 14:07:47 GMT
But hey, I can happily agree to disagree. I hope CDPR are smart enough to go with their strengths. Well, to be honest, if the strength lies with making a very precisely animated story for one and only one character, with the story tightly tailored to that character's background and relationships, nothing says this character cannot be a female romancing males. But since there is no game out there like that, I cannot really have an empirical experience. All the seven games I have played with fixed leads were with a male with the exception of Bayonetta, and they were inferior in every way to BioWARE's games. That's seven games vs one you keep quoting, the Witcher 3. It's an exceptional game in every way.
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Post by vallixas on Jan 27, 2018 15:10:30 GMT
But Shepard is a character with specific features and a specific past. Ryder too That leaves abilities. I suppose there might be some variance because some PCs are biotic while others are not, but that would be quite limited. It's more of a problem for Dragon Age, which has been known to spectacularly botch this.
Not really, I'd say it's more than that.
Again, the higher the potential variance in who and what the protagonist is, the more vague many things need to be in order to avoid the dissonance of referring to a character as something or someone they are not. And with DA you have the choice of race too, which complicates matters even further, because there are some rather substantial differences between the races, both physically and from other aspects. There was SOME acknowledgement in DA:I for example in regards to the race of the PC, but it was fairly light, when things arguably should have made a large difference.
That's reason #2 for why I hated Andromeda. In the trilogy, you felt the animosity between the Krogan and the Salarians. The races were unique culturally and politically with such rich histories. In Andromeda all the races lost their identity. Asari, Turians, Krogan they're all basically human now, lame. The Angara weren't strong enough to fill that void left. Come to think of it Angara weren't that different from humans to begin with. I will say Bethesda certainly handles the differences and lore between the races in Elder Scrolls much better than present Bio with Dragon Age and Mass Effect.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 27, 2018 15:16:25 GMT
In any case, we are debating in circles here. So unless you have something new to say on this topic aside from assertions about TW3 based on nothing but preconceptions, I'll agree to disagree and stop here, since I don't have much more to say on this topic that I haven't said already. Any more on the actual thread topic of Anita Sarkeesian visiting the Edmonton office, from anyone?
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