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Post by Felya87 on Jun 23, 2020 14:53:23 GMT
Mass Effect 3 was worse. It locked away the higher resorce-obtenible ending behind the MP game! So story stuff! And as unsatysfing were all the endings (for me, both pre and after enchanted edition, I stopped playing the entire priority eart mission in my subsequent run for how bad it is) it was a slap in the face. MP should not. Touch. SP. At all. Dragon Age MP was perfect, completely its own thing, and I could just ignore it happily, until it was decided to lock up single player stuff in the MP! Many games have MP, but are completely their own thing: like Uncharted, The Last of Us, Digimon... Yet the ME and DA teams had to force their players toward MP. Sorry, I don't condone that. Those are very controversial waters to dive into. Anyone here could substantively argue Destroy is not the best ending. As far as I'm concerned, the MP didn't touch the SP. Whatever flaws ME3 had were actually related to a diminished timetable, but it wasn't like the Edmonton developers' work was interfered in any way by the people working at Montreal. The model does work and it should be improved upon. Publishers are not going to invest in two games when they can simply do so in one. I've said the ending needing the most resources, not the best. To me are all equally horrible. Tho Shep not being "completely dead" so I could headcanon her surviving make it slightly better. You must have played ME3 later, so you didn't live the impossibility of getting everything without being forced to MP, after it was promised no need to play MP. But ME3 was the Lies Festival, so... The model of connecting MP to SP doesn't work. The two work only when are completely separated entities.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 23, 2020 15:36:35 GMT
I've said the ending needing the most resources, not the best. To me are all equally horrible. Tho Shep not being "completely dead" so I could headcanon her surviving make it slightly better. You must have played ME3 later, so you didn't live the impossibility of getting everything without being forced to MP, after it was promised no need to play MP. But ME3 was the Lies Festival, so... The model of connecting MP to SP doesn't work. The two work only when are completely separated entities. I played Mass Effect 3 in 2012 right when it came out, just like you. I remember it clearly because I paid full price for it and yet I didn't have an HD TV to play it on. I also played the multiplayer and I deffinitely didn't like the "booster packs" and other mechanics that prevented you from playing the characters and classes you wanted to play as. I also remember that my resources were "pumped" temporarily in SP as I played multiplayer matches, I thought this was going to be problematic but then I realized it was perfectly fine of me to stop playing multiplayer, as I already had enough resources for the assault on Earth. It seems to me like you had a problem with an entirely different matter, the ending in this case. And that's fine, really, but I don't think it should prevent of us from realizing that overall, the SP wasn't subjected to any substantial damage from the MP, the latter supported the former without any noticeable difference.
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Post by Felya87 on Jun 23, 2020 15:57:18 GMT
I've said the ending needing the most resources, not the best. To me are all equally horrible. Tho Shep not being "completely dead" so I could headcanon her surviving make it slightly better. You must have played ME3 later, so you didn't live the impossibility of getting everything without being forced to MP, after it was promised no need to play MP. But ME3 was the Lies Festival, so... The model of connecting MP to SP doesn't work. The two work only when are completely separated entities. I played Mass Effect 3 in 2012 right when it came out, just like you. I remember it clearly because I paid full price for it and yet I didn't have an HD TV to play it on. I also played the multiplayer and I deffinitely didn't like the "booster packs" and other mechanics that prevented you from playing the characters and classes you wanted to play as. I also remember that my resources were "pumped" temporarily in SP as I played multiplayer matches, I thought this was going to be problematic but then I realized it was perfectly fine of me to stop playing multiplayer, as I already had enough resources for the assault on Earth. It seems to me like you had a problem with an entirely different matter, the ending in this case. And that's fine, really, but I don't think it should prevent of us from realizing that overall, the SP wasn't subjected to any substantial damage from the MP, the latter supported the former without any noticeable difference. I have problems with both aspects. Both with the awful endings, and the fact that were locked up behind MP. Before a patch, you couldn't get enough readiness without playing MP, when it was promised that MP would not have been needed. I played before the patch, and my ending suffered becouse I hate playing MP. It was wrong having MP influence the readiness at all, but having the SP being influenced so heavily by MP was one of the worst things ever.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 23, 2020 16:27:29 GMT
I have problems with both aspects. Both with the awful endings, and the fact that were locked up behind MP. Before a patch, you couldn't get enough readiness without playing MP, when it was promised that MP would not have been needed. I played before the patch, and my ending suffered becouse I hate playing MP. It was wrong having MP influence the readiness at all, but having the SP being influenced so heavily by MP was one of the worst things ever. I'll give you one thing: that small cutscene, that doesn't really confirm anything and wasn't canonical at all, could only be obtained via MP. Everything else. Absolutely everything else in the game could and can still be obtained via single player. There was no need in 2012, nor is there any now, to play MP to obtain every single canonical ending in the game.
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Post by Felya87 on Jun 23, 2020 16:52:27 GMT
I have problems with both aspects. Both with the awful endings, and the fact that were locked up behind MP. Before a patch, you couldn't get enough readiness without playing MP, when it was promised that MP would not have been needed. I played before the patch, and my ending suffered becouse I hate playing MP. It was wrong having MP influence the readiness at all, but having the SP being influenced so heavily by MP was one of the worst things ever. I'll give you one thing: that small cutscene, that doesn't really confirm anything and wasn't canonical at all, could only be obtained via MP. Everything else. Absolutely everything else in the game could and can still be obtained via single player. There was no need in 2012, nor is there any now, to play MP to obtain every single canonical ending in the game. What for you was just a little cutscene, would have made the world of difference for me. Because A) it would have changed completely the ending, and left me with a hopeful ending instead of the festival of emoland depressiveness. (none of my Shepard were the self sacrificial type, so for me a dead Shep mean only a bad ending) And B ) it would have meant BioWare didn't lie when they said MP would not have repercussions on SP experience. Just because you didn't have a problem with both invasive MP and the endings, doesn't mean everyone else is delusional.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 23, 2020 17:04:03 GMT
Just because you didn't have a problem with both invasive MP and the endings, doesn't mean everyone else is delusional. I understand your arguments. I disagree with them but I've done my best to do so respectfully. I am not delusional, nor do I think you are either. Have a good day.
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Post by NotN7 on Jun 23, 2020 21:05:10 GMT
Sorry but lets get back on topic this is not a ME thread but DA so take it where it belongs
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 23, 2020 21:17:19 GMT
Sorry but lets get back on topic this is not a ME thread but DA so take it where it belongs SOLAS SUX !!!There, now we're back on track !
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 23, 2020 21:23:22 GMT
Sorry but lets get back on topic this is not a ME thread but DA so take it where it belongs SOLAS SUX !!!There, now we're back on track ! ....That's an odd wishlist item.
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Post by NotN7 on Jun 23, 2020 21:31:38 GMT
Sorry but lets get back on topic this is not a ME thread but DA so take it where it belongs SOLAS SUX !!!There, now we're back on track ! LOL!
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 23, 2020 21:48:28 GMT
SOLAS SUX !!!There, now we're back on track ! ....That's an odd wishlist item. Wish Solas would pass away at the beginning of DA4 ? It's very strange. I feel super optimistic about DA4 and yet I dislike the way its story, with the whole "Dread Wolf" nonsense is going to be. Pretty weird of me.
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Post by Frost on Jun 24, 2020 0:02:08 GMT
I would like a Dread Wolf Collector's Edition.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 24, 2020 0:11:12 GMT
I would like a Dread Wolf Collector's Edition. I don't think I could buy something with Solas' big face plastered over it !
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Post by Frost on Jun 24, 2020 0:17:33 GMT
I wish for Highwayman667 to be converted into an agent of the Dread Wolf!
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 24, 2020 0:18:23 GMT
I would like a Dread Wolf Collector's Edition. I don't think I could buy something with Solas' big face plastered over it ! I, on the other hand, would sleep with it under my pillow.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Jun 24, 2020 0:26:25 GMT
I would like a Dread Wolf Collector's Edition. I don't think I could buy something with Solas' big face plastered over it ! I'd prefer his wolf form over his elven face, but it would still better than having Chantry or templar imagery everywhere. Everyone may now charge and call an Exalted March on my ass.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 24, 2020 0:34:41 GMT
I don't think I could buy something with Solas' big face plastered over it ! I'd prefer his wolf form over his elven face, but it would still better than having Chantry or templar imagery everywhere. Everyone may now charge and call an Exalted March on my ass. I think we'll have a lot less of that now that we're waaaaaaaaay north and pretty far from the chantry... ...the southern one at least
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 24, 2020 3:19:03 GMT
SOLAS SUX !!!There, now we're back on track ! ....That's an odd wishlist item. ... Not that odd.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 24, 2020 3:29:37 GMT
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 24, 2020 3:30:39 GMT
I'd prefer his wolf form over his elven face, but it would still better than having Chantry or templar imagery everywhere. Everyone may now charge and call an Exalted March on my ass. I think we'll have a lot less of that now that we're waaaaaaaaay north and pretty far from the chantry... ...the southern one at least The imagery is gonna be nothing but sneks and red diamonds from now on.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 24, 2020 3:37:57 GMT
Also, I want to see stuff that they keep shoving off into the ancillary media. I want to see gryphons, I want to see that monster from Tevinter Nights that's made of severed heads, I want to see Executors, and I want to ONLY see places we haven't been to in the previous games Ferelden and Orlais can get bent.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 24, 2020 5:50:30 GMT
Also, I want to see stuff that they keep shoving off into the ancillary media. I want to see gryphons, I want to see that monster from Tevinter Nights that's made of severed heads, I want to see Executors, and I want to ONLY see places we haven't been to in the previous games Ferelden and Orlais can get bent. If there’s one good thing coming from the way they handled the Divine election in DAI, is that we’re likely won’t come to the South for a while. Unless they’ll implement the use of the Eluvians to go in far away regions.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jun 24, 2020 7:58:54 GMT
I don't think I could buy something with Solas' big face plastered over it ! I'd prefer his wolf form over his elven face, but it would still better than having Chantry or templar imagery everywhere. Everyone may now charge and call an Exalted March on my ass. Why not both of Solas' forms? It could be a box that opens with his wolf on one side and his elven face on the other .
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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2020 8:03:52 GMT
....That's an odd wishlist item. Wish Solas would pass away at the beginning of DA4 ? It's very strange. I feel super optimistic about DA4 and yet I dislike the way its story, with the whole "Dread Wolf" nonsense is going to be. Pretty weird of me. I do disagree with you but I also see your point and really I think that how they handle Solas could really sink or swim the game. But then I do believe there will be plenty to do in 4 besides dealing with Solas...even if he is the main part of plot. Also, I want to see stuff that they keep shoving off into the ancillary media. I want to see gryphons, I want to see that monster from Tevinter Nights that's made of severed heads, I want to see Executors, and I want to ONLY see places we haven't been to in the previous games Ferelden and Orlais can get bent. I've been so fascinated by Tevinter and the Anderfels all the way since Origins that I more then agree with you...as much as I like Ferelden. *** So, been thinking. Based on what I posted last time about levelling up a normal way and then you can put points into attributes...I think that could really help in ways beyond combat. Sort of give us a wide variety of different options based on where we put our points. We can get special dialgoue like if we get some cunning or well...any of the other stats really can give you special dialogue options really. BUT, I was thinking this could solve one of BioWare's biggest annoyances with DA...at least for me and other people, and also assuming they go for the traditional class system...this could let us do more mixing and matching because in Inquisition you could only do certain things as a certain class (unlock things, breach walls, and do the magic...the last one may be difficult)...but now if you have high cunning...even as a warrior...you can unlock chests and as a rogue you can bust down walls with enough strength. Also thinking, granted may be really difficult to do, but if you read books may be able to also unlock dialogue which will let you co op and prempt any dialogue you think your character should know....IE having Morrigan lecture you about the Elven gods.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Jun 24, 2020 9:26:34 GMT
Also, I want to see stuff that they keep shoving off into the ancillary media. I want to see gryphons, I want to see that monster from Tevinter Nights that's made of severed heads, I want to see Executors, and I want to ONLY see places we haven't been to in the previous games Ferelden and Orlais can get bent. If there’s one good thing coming from the way they handled the Divine election in DAI, is that we’re likely won’t come to the South for a while. Unless they’ll implement the use of the Eluvians to go in far away regions. Yeah, I hope this will take the focus off the southern Chantry. Seen enough of their arrogant asses. I'd also like for no Divine candidate to appear in any capacity, as it just creates an explosion of necessary branching, unless we get railroaded into one default. If that's the case and we get Cassandra, I'm going to be . All that work, only for a big "back to how we did it for centuries before, because this is how it what always done". The other two have at least some potential for mayhem. I'd prefer his wolf form over his elven face, but it would still better than having Chantry or templar imagery everywhere. Everyone may now charge and call an Exalted March on my ass. Why not both of Solas' forms? It could be a box that opens with his wolf on one side and his elven face on the other . Yeah, either that, or the way how ME3 handled the "Shepard switcher". Not sure how that is called. Wish Solas would pass away at the beginning of DA4 ? It's very strange. I feel super optimistic about DA4 and yet I dislike the way its story, with the whole "Dread Wolf" nonsense is going to be. Pretty weird of me. I do disagree with you but I also see your point and really I think that how they handle Solas could really sink or swim the game. But then I do believe there will be plenty to do in 4 besides dealing with Solas...even if he is the main part of plot. Yes, that's the issue I see as well, especially with regards to the "Stop by any means necessary" vs. "Redeem if possible" crowd fights. And that's just why I'm pretty afraid of the writers just turning him into yet another red lyrium/blight monster to be killed on sight, because taint. I'd also like for these "field skills" not to be restricted to classes, either to be tied to stats as you propose (as long as it is feasible regarding builds) or, what I would prefer, special skills that anyone could learn. Problem is the "magical obstacles" part which would still be mage only due to lore.
For the second part I agree. Characters who could reasonably have the background knowledge in question should do the explaining, with the player character always taking priority unless we would need another viewpoint (i.e. a human who read about Andruil vs. a Dalish character). In case of unlocking certain knowledge, I'd tie it to some sort of "database" similar to codex, which would have data added upon getting access to a "book" in-game, but the player would still be required to "read" the entry before the dialogue options are unlocked.
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