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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 17, 2021 13:15:45 GMT
and our dog directly showcased the qualities of the Mabari. Sorry i know this is an old post, but I can't leave it like this. If you Romance Cullen and play the dlc, you get a Mabari. And this Mabari is like the others. Intelligent and lively. Fair point to Inquisition then. Even if said recognizing of established lore is locked behind a post-game DLC, the PC's gender, and romance choice. It would be nice in future games if these more 'alien' elements weren't minor easter eggs and are instead a part of main setting and/or plot.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 17, 2021 21:20:17 GMT
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 17, 2021 21:41:03 GMT
Forgive me for not reading the 114 pages so far but... I want my inquisitor back. I know it's unrealistic but let's talk wishful thinking. I would have wanted to see her through to the bitter end and crack that egg. I think I'll have a hard time even thinking myself into some new random who all of a sudden has to go after the big bad without any greater motivation. It's like if Frodo ditched the ring halfway to Mordor and left it in the care of some random stranger on the street. It would be nice if Bioware would finally arrive at the conclusion, that recurring main characters allow for much deeper storytelling. They knew in Mass Effect, why not in DA? In no universe is handwaving an amputation away easier than in one where there is all kinds of magic shenanigans going on. They should have realised that earlier with The Warden or even Hawke, the Inquisitor's extremely bland, and does not nearly have a defined enough personality like Shepard to support a continuous Trilogy.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 18, 2021 15:06:10 GMT
We need Polyamorous love interests The threesome with Isabela was nice in DAO, but seriously it's time for a proper ménage à trois relationship. You know, this would be cool. But an actual one not just a wild night. Since it's becoming more main stream now we might actually get it since bioware loves to be inclusive. As of now the closest we got in DAI is sera approving of the inquisitor flirting with harding even if sera and the inquisitor are in a romance.
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Post by phoray on Aug 18, 2021 20:29:37 GMT
I think the foursome with Isabella, Lel, Zevran, and the Warden is more accepting than that because the Flag for Sera Romance probably doesn't cancel the approval. Cassandra would not approve their boyfriend banging the Orlesians Judge at all, she is super monogamous, but not a peep from her on the matter because there is silly way to resolve a side quest and romance story seperation of gameplay. Out of all the romances, only Isabella and Zevran could be construed as Polyamorous or at least Swingers
the only way they'd pull off true poly is if a couple were just very up front and open about being DA's word for poly. that the person you'd approached of the couple would act as the hinge of a V (with their other partner being one side and you being the other). So it would still be one on one OR the couple as a single unit dating you as a pseudo unicorn. The latter of which is so difficult to pull off respectfully in real life that it's usually default looked down upon. So, personally, I'd rather they go the V format. I may be biased as I've been the hinge of a V for a decade at this point, but I will claim at least an educated opinion since I play DA and am poly. Devs can handle one on one romances fine, they'll just add a couple dialogue lines regardless if which half the couple you pick that you understand dating one of them doesn't make them break up the established relationship.
I think Devs have said on Twitter that they'd have to think about poly. I honestly think Non Binary or Transgender LIs are the next direction they'd go before Poly.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 18, 2021 21:07:45 GMT
For polyamorous relationships, BioWare said the only way it would ever really happen is if the protagonist is joining an existing couple. Otherwise according to them the number of flags is an absolute monster to program. Like phoray said, I see them having a non-binary or trans character as the next step in LIs. Maybe an Ace one, but I doubt it since they seem to think “just head canon they don’t” is enough (with a couple exceptions).
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Aug 19, 2021 8:48:58 GMT
As far as trans LIs go, I'd be curious if they would dare piss off a certain bigoted segment of the fanbase by making Maevaris romanceable in DA4, given that she seems like an obvious choice for a trans love interest as an already existing canon transgender character who is in Tevinter. Krem, after all, is a quantum character, given that he can be dead. Then again, I doubt they care much what that corner of the market thinks. It's the same group that would be determined to hate Bioware regardless, for any random reason they come up with. See: the "Cassandra has a male skull" guy.
It's also possible that they would create a new trans character as a love interest, but I wonder whether they might worry that it would be too much, if Maevaris is also a character in DA4.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 20, 2021 4:12:18 GMT
Thread is now open again.
Some people need to wrap their heads around a simple fact; what your opinion of our forums rules and Proboards Terms of Service are do not matter. You're here, using the service, so you'll play by the rules.
And Proboards state that language signifying hate for a group based on a number of factors, including gender identity is not permitted. Language such as calling trans people 'nuts', for example. So don't do that.
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Post by bierkrug on Aug 20, 2021 10:49:23 GMT
Seems I missed all the fun. Too bad.
Anyway. Some specialization involving a useful pet would be nice. Like a proper ranger, not just a rogue archer. Some abilities being like the shouts in Guild Wars 2. Sic 'em, Search and Rescue, Protect etc.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 20, 2021 11:03:04 GMT
As far as trans LIs go, I'd be curious if they would dare piss off a certain bigoted segment of the fanbase by making Maevaris romanceable in DA4, given that she seems like an obvious choice for a trans love interest as an already existing canon transgender character who is in Tevinter. Back in the day, having a female protagonist would be revolutionary, today not so much. I don't doubt BioWare's instincts lean towards inclusivity. To my mind the question is whether EA would accept the inevitable 'shit-storm' even though it would stem from bigotry. After Andromeda and Anthem, EA/BioWare could really use an uncomplicated 'hit'. If I was making a bet, I'd say that Maevaris will be a significant character but I don't think they'll be a love interest. We'll see.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 20, 2021 11:10:13 GMT
Yeah they need an uncomplicated success.
Though not to the same scale I believe Celeste did not garner much controversy?
And it got fairly good numbers and awards.
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Post by bierkrug on Aug 20, 2021 11:16:37 GMT
Back in the day, having a female protagonist would be revolutionary, today not so much. Which back in the day would that be though? Playable female characters have been around since the mid 80s.
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Post by Gwydden on Aug 20, 2021 14:35:20 GMT
Yeah they need an uncomplicated success. Though not to the same scale I believe Celeste did not garner much controversy? And it got fairly good numbers and awards. Frankly, I only realized Madeline was trans after playing the game and hearing folks talk about it. It's not quite a "Dumbledore's gay!" kind of energy, but it's close.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 20, 2021 17:22:42 GMT
Back in the day, having a female protagonist would be revolutionary, today not so much. Which back in the day would that be though? Playable female characters have been around since the mid 80s. Yup Bioware has had female protagonists going all the way back to the first Baldur's Gate at least. And it wasn't groundbreaking even then.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Aug 20, 2021 20:38:40 GMT
As far as trans LIs go, I'd be curious if they would dare piss off a certain bigoted segment of the fanbase by making Maevaris romanceable in DA4, given that she seems like an obvious choice for a trans love interest as an already existing canon transgender character who is in Tevinter. Krem, after all, is a quantum character, given that he can be dead. Then again, I doubt they care much what that corner of the market thinks. It's the same group that would be determined to hate Bioware regardless, for any random reason they come up with. See: the "Cassandra has a male skull" guy. It's also possible that they would create a new trans character as a love interest, but I wonder whether they might worry that it would be too much, if Maevaris is also a character in DA4. I could also see more progressive people getting mad at BioWare for having a trans love interest depending on how they handle it. For example when would the trans character reveal they are trans before or after romance? Will players be able to turn down trans character once finding out? If yes how would they handle that? I’m not against having a trans love interest, but thinking about how BioWare would handle it frightens me a little.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 20, 2021 20:59:21 GMT
As far as trans LIs go, I'd be curious if they would dare piss off a certain bigoted segment of the fanbase by making Maevaris romanceable in DA4, given that she seems like an obvious choice for a trans love interest as an already existing canon transgender character who is in Tevinter. Krem, after all, is a quantum character, given that he can be dead. Then again, I doubt they care much what that corner of the market thinks. It's the same group that would be determined to hate Bioware regardless, for any random reason they come up with. See: the "Cassandra has a male skull" guy. It's also possible that they would create a new trans character as a love interest, but I wonder whether they might worry that it would be too much, if Maevaris is also a character in DA4. I could also see more progressive people getting mad at BioWare for having a trans love interest depending on how they handle it. For example when would the trans character reveal they are trans before or after romance? Will players be able to turn down trans character once finding out? If yes how would they handle that? I’m not against having a trans love interest, but thinking about how BioWare would handle it frightens me a little. There is definitely a section of the internet who’re all too willing - even happy - to try to tear a person or company down for trying to progress a cause and falling short of 107% perfection. And given the above mentions of wanting/needing an ‘uncomplicated’ success, that would lead me to think that they’ll avoid taking that step, in DA4, at least. To say nothing of the Get Woke, Go Broke crowd and their reaction.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Aug 20, 2021 21:42:18 GMT
I could also see more progressive people getting mad at BioWare for having a trans love interest depending on how they handle it. For example when would the trans character reveal they are trans before or after romance? Will players be able to turn down trans character once finding out? If yes how would they handle that? I’m not against having a trans love interest, but thinking about how BioWare would handle it frightens me a little. There is definitely a section of the internet who’re all too willing - even happy - to try to tear a person or company down for trying to progress a cause and falling short of 107% perfection. And given the above mentions of wanting/needing an ‘uncomplicated’ success, that would lead me to think that they’ll avoid taking that step, in DA4, at least. To say nothing of the Get Woke, Go Broke crowd and their reaction. Agreed that why I can’t really see BioWare making a trans character a romance option. They’ll play it safe just by having a trans character (most likely Maevaris) be a non romanceable companion. The get woke go broke crowd is going to be angry regardless. They will find something to complain about no matter how small it is.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 20, 2021 21:46:44 GMT
I think the best solution would be having the trans LI be one of the extra ones. Not extra as in a minor one, but outside the 2/2/2 split BioWare does. So if like in DAI there are 8 LIs.
Straight male Straight female Bi male Bi female Gay male Gay female Trans Ace/something
If the last two are available to both making it a 2/4/2, then even if people don’t like it they can’t complain about not having choices since everyone has three so they’d still have two not counting the trans LI.
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Post by bierkrug on Aug 20, 2021 22:13:00 GMT
I could give other examples, but We don't have to go back over the improvements in female representation in general gaming do we? Nope, we don't. I was merely pointing out that a female character isn't revolutionary in itself. The depiction moving from stiletto boob lady in a bathing suit to actual human being is something I welcome very much. AC has moved forward with the female character being the canonical one in the last two games (even if the marketing department keeps conviniently forgetting about it).
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 20, 2021 23:42:53 GMT
I could also see more progressive people getting mad at BioWare for having a trans love interest depending on how they handle it. For example when would the trans character reveal they are trans before or after romance? Will players be able to turn down trans character once finding out? If yes how would they handle that? I’m not against having a trans love interest, but thinking about how BioWare would handle it frightens me a little. There is definitely a section of the internet who’re all too willing - even happy - to try to tear a person or company down for trying to progress a cause and falling short of 107% perfection. And given the above mentions of wanting/needing an ‘uncomplicated’ success, that would lead me to think that they’ll avoid taking that step, in DA4, at least. To say nothing of the Get Woke, Go Broke crowd and their reaction. I mean it's not always easy to discern whether someone's transgender from their appearance. I could cite multiple real life people as examples but I think you take my meaning. Otherwise it does not always necessarily have a reason to come up.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 21, 2021 8:27:53 GMT
I was merely pointing out that a female character isn't revolutionary in itself. The depiction moving from [sterotype] to actual human being is something I welcome very much. I agree. And characters of differing gender identity will go through exactly the same arc. From 'a rather awkwardly introduced new thing' to 'no biggie - just another human being'. Gay characters have already travelled some distance along that arc (at least with BioWare). Any trans character is still nearer the start, even if BioWare has already had a couple of goes.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 23, 2021 17:20:40 GMT
Lol, I'm so fucking sick of people sulking about how AC: Odyssey and Valhalla are apparently supposed to be "canonically" female protagonists, but then they had gender choice as a sop to male gamers supposedly, only for the data to then show that most players opted to play as male.
What these arguments always, always ignore, is that Odyssey and Valhalla are also the first two games in the series to offer any sort of same-sex romance representation/options, which gay men would have lost completely if the protagonists had been female-only. Funny that.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 23, 2021 21:44:15 GMT
No one had mentioned the female player characters in those games in months, but whatever.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 23, 2021 21:52:49 GMT
No one had mentioned the female player characters in those games in months, but whatever. Someone above mentioned them. Pretty sure that’s what Panda was responding to.
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