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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 23, 2021 21:54:05 GMT
Ah - yep, see it now.
The search function requires at least 3 letters/characters, and I skimmed the posts.
Sorry panda.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 24, 2021 4:31:48 GMT
I do find it hilarious though that the devs bragged about how proud of Kassandra they were while ignoring the fact that the majority of players played the male protagonist. What a way to throw the male character under the bus by making him non-canon.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Aug 24, 2021 5:58:22 GMT
On the subject of trans characters, if Maevaris is a major character in DA4 as I suspect she will be, I would hope that there's more to her story than being trans. I'd love to hear about her moving past political obstacles, perhaps even doing so ruthlessly. She and Dorian are supposedly cutting out corruption and are against blood magic. I'd like to see if there's any limits to that. Or what it would take for her and Dorian to disagree on a political matter. Like, yeah, her being trans is a part of her and matters, but it's not the only part that should matter.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 24, 2021 6:52:30 GMT
On the subject of trans characters, if Maevaris is a major character in DA4 as I suspect she will be, I would hope that there's more to her story than being trans. I'd love to hear about her moving past political obstacles, perhaps even doing so ruthlessly. She and Dorian are supposedly cutting out corruption and are against blood magic. I'd like to see if there's any limits to that. Or what it would take for her and Dorian to disagree on a political matter. Like, yeah, her being trans is a part of her and matters, but it's not the only part that should matter. I don't know what trans audiences want out of their representation, but I still remember how it felt when Origins and DA2 just... allowed the player to have same sex relationships without anybody in the games being a dick about it. As everybody here already knows, I found the way DAI centred Dorian's personal quest around the controversy of his sexuality to be extremely lame. The pleasure of fantasy is that *we don't have to have these problems*, if I want to experience homophobia, I can go outside (except not right now because lockdown). I will forever be disappointed that BioWare backed down from its initial stance post-DA2 that the characters' particular sexualities would remain undisclosed. The argument that not having a "set" sexuality made the characters somehow of a lesser quality was never anything but bad faith, bigoted nonsense. You can have a fantasy setting that just accepts non-straight, non-cis people as a fact of their reality! It is allowed! You don't need to explain or justify anything to straight or cis consumers and trying to do so is an utter waste of time, because they'll just keep shitting on you anyway. So just let minorities be heroes in fantasy worlds and the people who don't like it can just die mad about it.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 24, 2021 10:20:07 GMT
I guess it's my turn to chime in then on this subject, I have to agree to disagree, one of the things that attracted me to Dragon Age in the first place's a feeling of authenticity.
Take the female city elf origin, one of my favourites I do also like the male version but it's really no comparison, I just really adore the imagery of a bloodied maiden going on to become a warrior like a horrific baptism of fire.
I'd personally much rather have something like that rather than not have it for fear of offending someone.
And also although I appreciate the sentiment behind the idea of just including trans characters for the sake of it, having everyone be fine with them's just so disconnected from my experiences, that it's likely to be immersion breaking- I don't like everyone being player-sexual for similar reasons either.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 24, 2021 13:20:39 GMT
I would love
1. What already be mention: i would like to be able to change the look of my base or build and expand it. Skyhold was to litte. i love building games. A mix of DAO, DAI, Anno and sims. Mixed together under the aspect of what is best for the setting.
2. I want our protagonist not to be a person of History. Sorry this poor said. let me explain. The warden is "the hero of Ferelden" and goes down in history as such, hawk is "the champion" and "the iquisitor". I want for our new protagonist to get at the end no title no thanks no celebration. I hope that at the end an idiot comes and claims it is his merit and we can do nothing against it. A big plus if this idot is the person who says all the time we should do it differently and put stones in our way.
3. Which I think was also torn briefly once. For celebrations such as weddings, important events and in base, I would like to be able to choose between at least 3 outfits. I love fire emblem three houses. Maybe something like that.
But i think bioware is best when they create something new. if they try to copy or recreate something, it usually doesn't work out well (skyrim open world) *hint, hint*
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 24, 2021 21:00:57 GMT
I could also see more progressive people getting mad at BioWare for having a trans love interest depending on how they handle it. For example when would the trans character reveal they are trans before or after romance? Will players be able to turn down trans character once finding out? If yes how would they handle that? I’m not against having a trans love interest, but thinking about how BioWare would handle it frightens me a little. There is definitely a section of the internet who’re all too willing - even happy - to try to tear a person or company down for trying to progress a cause and falling short of 107% perfection. And given the above mentions of wanting/needing an ‘uncomplicated’ success, that would lead me to think that they’ll avoid taking that step, in DA4, at least. To say nothing of the Get Woke, Go Broke crowd and their reaction.
The Get Woke/Go Broke crowd can jump off a bridge and die for all I care and are the LAST group of people on this planet that any entertainment company should ever listen too.
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Post by bierkrug on Aug 24, 2021 21:27:20 GMT
I want for our new protagonist to get at the end no title no thanks no celebration. I hope that at the end an idiot comes and claims it is his merit and we can do nothing against it. How about the new protagonist dying at the end, for good, in every timeline.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 24, 2021 23:37:56 GMT
I could also see more progressive people getting mad at BioWare for having a trans love interest depending on how they handle it. For example when would the trans character reveal they are trans before or after romance? Will players be able to turn down trans character once finding out? If yes how would they handle that? I’m not against having a trans love interest, but thinking about how BioWare would handle it frightens me a little. There is definitely a section of the internet who’re all too willing - even happy - to try to tear a person or company down for trying to progress a cause and falling short of 107% perfection. And given the above mentions of wanting/needing an ‘uncomplicated’ success, that would lead me to think that they’ll avoid taking that step, in DA4, at least. To say nothing of the Get Woke, Go Broke crowd and their reaction. I can imagine the Quartering spamming videos ranting about how Bioware is being SJW.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 25, 2021 5:05:04 GMT
So....
One thing I have really appreciated in Vahalla is the...lets see how do I put this? When 'pulling back' a bow in Vahalla if you time it just right the cursor does like this x thing which then if you get your arrow off does extra damage and makes the next one puull faster. Quite a neat little gameplay trick and again one that does seem quite accurate to archery in order to get an arrow off just so.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 25, 2021 10:41:22 GMT
I want for our new protagonist to get at the end no title no thanks no celebration. I hope that at the end an idiot comes and claims it is his merit and we can do nothing against it. How about the new protagonist dying at the end, for good, in every timeline. Noooooooooooo!!!
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Aug 25, 2021 10:55:34 GMT
I want for our new protagonist to get at the end no title no thanks no celebration. I hope that at the end an idiot comes and claims it is his merit and we can do nothing against it. How about the new protagonist dying at the end, for good, in every timeline. You know what, sure, if it's written well and not just shoehorned in, then I'll take it. They can pull a Rogue One and just have the majority of the cast die in one final battle.
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Post by phoray on Aug 25, 2021 12:44:52 GMT
I don't know what trans audiences want out of their representation, but I still remember how it felt when Origins and DA2 just... allowed the player to have same sex relationships without anybody in the games being a dick about it. I was also a huge fan of this. It was so cool to play in a world where no one cared if you slept with any of the genders, and I find the whole Dorian quest to be out of line with Gaider's original vision of the world. AS they've all said, Origins was created with the intent of it being One and Done, and everything since has just been expansion. Conversion therapy attempts by parents of their young ones is not what I need in my escapist fantasy and didn't belong in DA. on another matter, telling someone you are Trans should be done pretty early (specifically if they are trying to woo you. you don't have to blanket announce it to everyone. I love that Sera didn't announce she was gay, but when a man flirted with her she just casually dropped she didn't get on with Men that way.) AND they shouldn't let the rejection of Mae/TG character be filled with bigotted language. Something neutral like, "That doesn't work for me." This won't make the anti trans crowd happy, that they can't spit in game vitriol at her. The reason I pick early on is simply that consent matters. If you hold information that a potential romantic or sexual partner doesn't have, then the power balance inside that connection is skewed in your direction. That isn't right, and will only fuel TG hate, imo. Re: Building game; DA is not SIMs and it would detract from the Character focus they were recently interviewed about to even be the star craft equivalent of a building game. if anything, they need to get away from the building aspect, because everyone was across the board disappointed that it had no narrative purpose. Re: everyone dying at the end. PASS. there is just a better way to write past protaganists off. I liked what they did with the Warden- they're straight up on another mission too far away to be of help. I initially liked Hawke until they tried to die by spider, so I'd rather go the Warden route. What I hope for them to do with Inky is say they ARE involved, just in the Shadows. That way excuses don't need to be made about "my inky would be there to help the new hero!"
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Aug 25, 2021 16:34:29 GMT
I'd like a return to Origins in being able to kill off your party members, either outright , stabbing them in the back or by killing them over a serious disagreement by the conclusion of the story. I liked how in 2 the party members took their own sides in the mage/Templar conflict instead of just blindly following Hawke,it made them feel more real.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 26, 2021 6:48:46 GMT
If we are playing someone from Tevinter please give us a dialogue option to 'Vishantae Kaffas'.
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Post by bierkrug on Aug 26, 2021 10:04:26 GMT
I liked how in 2 the party members took their own sides in the mage/Templar conflict instead of just blindly following Hawke,it made them feel more real. Same! I totally want a chantry companion that I can piss off again like Sebastian.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 26, 2021 12:32:54 GMT
Maybe it's just me, but at every distressing part of my life, I have always used music and performance, whatever it may be, to help me get over those situations. And that's why things like '' The Dawn Will Come '' doesn't read to me as especially corny, because it's something I know I would get strength from to continue, in a sense. Agree. A song like speechless after a bad day at work is so liberating. as I said, cultural (and/or personal) differences exist. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For me a beautyful soundtrack would be like: Disney: Speechless, colors of the wind, circle of life and I'll make a man out of you. The greatest Showman "all songs" The Lord of the Rings "all songs" The Lord of the dance Yes, they are quit different. i love variety and it has to fit the situation.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 26, 2021 12:35:31 GMT
I want for our new protagonist to get at the end no title no thanks no celebration. I hope that at the end an idiot comes and claims it is his merit and we can do nothing against it. How about the new protagonist dying at the end, for good, in every timeline. Better yet. All companions dying at the end, for good, in every timeline.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 26, 2021 12:59:23 GMT
Oh, well, god forbid that a work of fantasy or sci-fi ever sacrifice "authenticity" by positing an alternative to the bigotry and oppression of the real world.
Why even have speculative fiction if it's not allowed to speculate?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 13:08:47 GMT
Oh, well, god forbid that a work of fantasy or sci-fi ever sacrifice "authenticity" by positing an alternative to the bigotry and oppression of the real world. Why even have speculative fiction if it's not allowed to speculate? No argument here. Writers can't get out of their own feelings sometimes, and other times feel that they need to address the "elephant in the room" - their personal hot button subject. Writing is a personal endeavor, and taking the author completely out of the work is challenging. So, I think BioWare has had a hard time with consistency on this. There have been moments where we are living in a different world and nobody is much concerned with what or who you sleep with. Next moment, we are having stuff ham-fisted in our face. To me, they need someone on the writing team who has this specific job - sexual mores in Thedas need to be consistent and that this is not Planet Earth.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 26, 2021 13:34:14 GMT
Oh, well, god forbid that a work of fantasy or sci-fi ever sacrifice "authenticity" by positing an alternative to the bigotry and oppression of the real world. Why even have speculative fiction if it's not allowed to speculate? No argument here. Writers can't get out of their own feelings sometimes, and other times feel that they need to address the "elephant in the room" - their personal hot button subject. Writing is a personal endeavor, and taking the author completely out of the work is challenging. So, I think BioWare has had a hard time with consistency on this. There have been moments where we are living in a different world and nobody is much concerned with what or who you sleep with. Next moment, we are having stuff ham-fisted in our face. To me, they need someone on the writing team who has this specific job - sexual mores in Thedas need to be consistent and that this is not Planet Earth. Well, most people write fiction in order to make some sort of point, which is fine. Having morals and beliefs and asserting them in your creative work is a totally okay thing to do, and I actually encourage it (as all my writing professors did, especially the screenwriting ones), because knowing what point you're trying to make is what gives a story its clarity and structure. Sometimes a story flounders in its early stages because the writer hasn't realised that they are, in fact, making some sort of point. BioWare games are the only stories I've ever come across where the writers were doing their damnedest to avoid making any sort of point, which I hope is in service of the design goal of allowing players to make their own moral choices, because the only other explanation I can think of is that they fundamentally do not understand the subject matter they are dealing with. But I think it leads to a weaker, less satisfying plot and setting, with characters behaving in utterly nonsensical ways in order to justify bigoted positions that, in any other narrative, would be openly condemned without fandom controversy. Or maybe most fandoms actually have a substantial population that revels in the opportunity to commit hate crimes and genocide without facing meaningful consequence, and I just haven't encountered it?
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 26, 2021 13:58:02 GMT
My biggest problem with writers shoe-horning their social/political talking points, especially in fiction, is when it comes at the cost of world-building.
Dorian with his whole loyalty quest completely derailed the fantasy setting of Dragon Age, more specifically the world building behind Tevinter, just so we could have an after-school special about a parent trying to "cure their son of the gays". Or how about in Mass Effect where we have our Asari diplomat to Andromeda talking about preferred pronouns to a newly encountered alien species?
Fantasy and Science Fiction draws me in specifically because I can encounter things that are not possible in the real world. I couldn't care less about what pronoun an NPC wants to be known as when there is silicon-based lifeform right behind them that I can't go investigate because the narrative suddenly wants to explore this inclusion of the 'representation checkbox'.
Humans, and all of our social/political/cultural baggage, are boring. Show me more aliens, more monsters, more elements that set this world apart from what I experience 24/7 in the real world.
Interacting with the Messenger or dealing with the Mother and her Children was far more engaging and thought provoking to me than Dorian's after-school special or Krem's pronoun dispute, just as talking with Legion about the Geth or the Rachni queen about her species was far more interesting than learning that Steve likes men or that a trans person was so persecuted in a less than 1% explored Milky Way that they had to come all the way to Andromeda to escape the evil bigots.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Aug 26, 2021 14:00:08 GMT
I actually hope there's a chance to commit genocide in DA4, since I'm likely gonna be roleplaying as an ambitious magister who becomes enthralled with blood magic.
It doesn't mean I'm looking to purge a bunch of minorities in real life, but the evil options have been a bit lackluster in the past 2 days since DAO.
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Post by bierkrug on Aug 26, 2021 14:43:45 GMT
Better yet. All companions dying at the end, for good, in every timeline. Solas won and next game, everyone is an elf
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Post by Iakus on Aug 26, 2021 15:18:08 GMT
How about the new protagonist dying at the end, for good, in every timeline. Better yet. All companions dying at the end, for good, in every timeline.
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