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Post by 10k on Apr 2, 2019 19:47:27 GMT
That Kotaku article was just sad. It makes me angry also how they just pushed David Gaider aside. He is a very talented writer and for him and other talented developers to be just ignored is infuriating. After reading how they treat their employees, I don't know if I want to continue supporting BW. I really don't want to re-enforce this behavior by giving them money. I hope BW truly gets better with how they treat their people because this is just awful.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 2, 2019 20:05:28 GMT
That Kotaku article was just sad. It makes me angry also how they just pushed David Gaider aside. He is a very talented writer and for him and other talented developers to be just ignored is infuriating. After reading how they treat their employees, I don't know if I want to continue supporting BW. I really don't want to re-enforce this behavior by giving them money. I hope BW truly gets better with how they treat their people because this is just awful. I'm certainly extra glad I didn't waste money on Anthem, that's for sure...
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Post by 10k on Apr 2, 2019 20:08:40 GMT
That Kotaku article was just sad. It makes me angry also how they just pushed David Gaider aside. He is a very talented writer and for him and other talented developers to be just ignored is infuriating. After reading how they treat their employees, I don't know if I want to continue supporting BW. I really don't want to re-enforce this behavior by giving them money. I hope BW truly gets better with how they treat their people because this is just awful. I'm certainly extra glad I didn't waste money on Anthem, that's for sure... Same here. Knowing how these people were treated to make this shitty game, feels sick.
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Post by tatann on Apr 2, 2019 20:32:05 GMT
And remember guys, Mass Effect died for this
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Post by Kenny Bania on Apr 2, 2019 21:23:52 GMT
And remember guys, Mass Effect died for this I'm glad it did though, if Andromeda was indicative of the new direction.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 2, 2019 21:29:54 GMT
And remember guys, Mass Effect died for this I'm glad it did though, if Andromeda was indicative of the new direction. Yeah MEA strikes me as "proof of concept Anthem"
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Post by spacev3gan on Apr 2, 2019 23:04:01 GMT
Even as a hardcore Anthem skeptic myself, some of the stuff on this recent Kotaku's article is pretty saddening. Anthem is a bad game, and Andromeda is barely average, but I just didn't want to see Bioware to come down to false advertising, last-minute-crunch and hoping for some sort of miracle ( "Bioware magic") to save their games. (the article is a fantastic piece of investigative journalism by the way, get your popcorn and enjoy).
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 3, 2019 0:04:09 GMT
Soooo where is the BDF?
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Post by biggydx on Apr 3, 2019 1:06:19 GMT
The dichotomy between the knowledge base and decisiveness in their leadership is telling. It pretty much looked like the old guard (Laidlaw and Darrah) were the only ones who knew how to tackle the project; based on comments made in the article. I've brought up - and criticized - the Frostbite engine to a high degree, but if managerial problems are this pervasive with the company then I don't know if its worth hoping that there's always a light at the end of the tunnel. Wishful thinking would lead one to believe that Casey Hudsons return, and Mark Darrah producing DA4, would help to bring it out of the troubled waters left by Anthem/Andromeda. However, with the reboot to live service, and the project apparently only just starting months before Anthems release, it's a high possibility that DA4 will feature the same issues that Andromeda/Anthem had.
This makes me wonder if such issues will always be the end result with developers under a 3rd party publisher. Even still, the crunch times and piss-poor management that goes on isn't just limited to BioWare either. If problems like this persist across the entire industry for too long, there's likely going to end up being a major shakeup, or major collapse.
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 3, 2019 1:17:56 GMT
Not to drag on the "I was right", but even back then when I looked at the trailer they showed at E3, I just didn't get the game. And I've always had the feeling of "game looks pretty, and that about it". It's all about how it looks, not how it plays. To think that at the moment of that trailer most of the devs had no idea what the game was about either? that's some new high levels of bizarre.
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Post by spacev3gan on Apr 3, 2019 2:01:43 GMT
And remember guys, Mass Effect died for this Given that according to the article, DA4 initial plans were scrapped in Late 2017 in order to move staff to Anthem, and that prompt the resignation of Dragon Age franchise Lead Designer Mike Laidlaw, we can safely say that Dragon Age also died for Anthem. There will be a DA4 at some point, perhaps. But Dragon Age as we use to know is mostly likely as dead as Mass Effect.
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Post by Lazarillo on Apr 3, 2019 2:06:32 GMT
There will be a DA4 at some point, perhaps. But Dragon Age as we use to know is mostly likely as dead as Mass Effect. I can't help but take note of the fact that both in-studio names for DA4 are musicians who died young. If that ain't some kinda coded message, I'm not sure what is.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 3, 2019 3:10:13 GMT
There will be a DA4 at some point, perhaps. But Dragon Age as we use to know is mostly likely as dead as Mass Effect. I can't help but take note of the fact that both in-studio names for DA4 are musicians who died young. If that ain't some kinda coded message, I'm not sure what is. It's likely coincidence more than anything else.
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Post by Lazarillo on Apr 3, 2019 3:43:23 GMT
It's likely coincidence more than anything else. Given they had a meaning in mind when choosing "Dylan", I can't imagine that they'd not realized they dipped into the 27 Club twice. That said, I can put most of my facetiousness aside and also assume that it might have some other meaning. Perhaps the first three DA games followed the same codename theme? Perhaps it's a clue that both pre- and post-reboot of the initial development, the story plan has been for the in-series "Dragon Age" (as in, the Chantry-designated dating era) will also die young, so to speak due to some calamity? But c'mon, even it is coincidence, ya gotta admit that the choices are a teeny tiny bit...ominous.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 3, 2019 4:07:00 GMT
And remember guys, Mass Effect died for this Given that according to the article, DA4 initial plans were scrapped in Late 2017 in order to move staff to Anthem, and that prompt the resignation of Dragon Age franchise Lead Designer Mike Laidlaw, we can safely say that Dragon Age also died for Anthem. There will be a DA4 at some point, perhaps. But Dragon Age as we use to know is mostly likely as dead as Mass Effect. SWTOR has been languishing too.
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Post by tatann on Apr 3, 2019 5:38:13 GMT
"This article is fake news. And why are you even posting on this forum if you're not willing to pay 60$ for an unfinished game ? FrostByte is the best engine ever. The Division 2 suxxx" Happy ? ;-)
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Post by officerdonnz on Apr 3, 2019 6:49:23 GMT
Given that according to the article, DA4 initial plans were scrapped in Late 2017 in order to move staff to Anthem, and that prompt the resignation of Dragon Age franchise Lead Designer Mike Laidlaw, we can safely say that Dragon Age also died for Anthem. There will be a DA4 at some point, perhaps. But Dragon Age as we use to know is mostly likely as dead as Mass Effect. SWTOR has been languishing too. More like SWTOR is dead in the water.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 3, 2019 9:58:59 GMT
This explains a lot.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 3, 2019 11:43:54 GMT
"This article is fake news. And why are you even posting on this forum if you're not willing to pay 60$ for an unfinished game ? FrostByte is the best engine ever. The Division 2 suxxx" Happy ? ;-) not as satisfying as hearing it from a real member of the BDF but it will do
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Post by spacev3gan on Apr 3, 2019 13:40:12 GMT
Rant here.
I am uninstalling Anthem, finally. Played it for 60 hours, though I haven't touched the game for a month now.
Some might be quick and label me as a hater or something, but I believe it is worth noting that I played (as per origin) Mass Effect: Andromeda for 1,041 hours, Dragon Age: Inquisition for 3,402 hours, Mass Effect 3 for 2,861 hours, and the other Bioware games for multiple playthroughs and well over hundreds of hours each. Before Anthem, I was often seen as a Bioware fanboy.
As many here, I was skeptical about Anthem from the very beginning. I thought it would not be a good game, and that Bioware should focus on what they can actually do well. I didn't really expect that Anthem would be this bad, but I am not surprised that it is.
I wanted to keep Anthem installed and maybe come back to it when/if it becomes a better game, but right now I am not only skeptical about it becoming a good game, but I think it should not become a good game and if it becomes, I cannot bring myself to support it.
After the reading article and Bioware's cynical response, and taking into consideration the amount of talented people Bioware lost in the process of making Anthem (particularly in 2017), and the fact they released a poor Mass Effect game and scrapped a well-envisioned Dragon Age 4 project, likely killing both franchises or at least changing them into games we can no longer recognize, well, I cannot support Anthem at the slightest. I actually believe at this point that Anthem has to die.
It has to die, so that lessons are learned. And so that the talented people who left Bioware (David Gaider, Mike Laidlaw, Aaryn Flynn, Drew Karpyshyn, Billy Buskell and others) left so that lessons are learned, and that Mass Effect and Dragon Age franchises died so that lessons are learned.
(as a sidenote, I didn't give my money to Bioware and EA for Anthem, I got it with a graphics card upgrade. I am glad that I didn't financially contribute to this piece of Bioware self-destruction material at the slightest)
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 3, 2019 13:51:21 GMT
Well, as the very article pointed out, Anthem sure will be remembered... as the worst game BW ever did, and not the masterpiece that would change gaming as they have thought.
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Post by Garo on Apr 3, 2019 13:55:08 GMT
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. This article is not surprising to me at all tho. It just more of the same problems that they had since Dragon Age Inquisition.
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Post by cankiie on Apr 3, 2019 15:37:44 GMT
(the article is a fantastic piece of investigative journalism by the way, get your popcorn and enjoy). Yeah. You can say A LOT of shit about Kotaku and even Jason Schrier himself. But goddamn, Jason Schrier is an absolutely LEGEND at his job... I may dislike him and disagree with him on a lot of stuff. But I certainly can respect his remarkable work and the effort he puts into it. It is a shame his talents has to be wasted on kotaku.
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Post by shinobiwan on Apr 3, 2019 17:03:55 GMT
SWTOR has been languishing too. More like SWTOR is dead in the water. Yeah, I don't know where the fuck the sentiment is coming from that Bioware Austin will save Anthem. They sure as hell didn't for SWTOR - especially under Ben Irving's leadership.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 3, 2019 17:39:53 GMT
More like SWTOR is dead in the water. Yeah, I don't know where the fuck the sentiment is coming from that Bioware Austin will save Anthem. They sure as hell didn't for SWTOR - especially under Ben Irving's leadership. Is a bit old on shelf life. WoW has some trouble keeping it fresh too I hear. In the year DAI launched I found SWTOR to be OK online game.
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