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Post by Sanunes on Feb 7, 2018 17:06:01 GMT
I dunno. BioWare seems to have found a formula that works, and that formula is Video Game Novels. That's fine if other gaming companies like TTG and DontNod have picked up on that forumla, but the entire BioWare team has seemed to abandon the entire idea by searching for something new. TTG and DontNod are just purely focused on the story. Don't get me wrong, I love the entire trilogy, but for differing reasons. The main theme of those is that the story remains consistent. To ask a person what specifically they loved about the trilogy would be to ask a person what they love about neapolitan ice cream and which flavor they like best. Well, it's kind'a hard to say about one specifically unless you focus on each flavor specifically. Otherwise your answer is just going to be a mishmash of all the flavors mixed together. Same goes for DA. To me its a little early to determine how much of the story is going to be part of the game. People were making the same claims about The Old Republic and I think they did a good job merging their story formula with a MMO. The game just feel apart at the end game since after finishing the story content the game had nothing to do. The problem with story like elements is they are probably close to the last things complete because they would be intertwined in a good portion of other game elements that it can all change within a day what they can and cannot do. Even though I think the open world design for Andromeda hurt the story elements, it still had things I really like about BioWare games. I think Drack is probably my favorite first appearance for a companion, followed closely by Wrex. The story itself could have been better, but again I am not sure if that was due to the open world aspects of the game splitting and fragmenting the story or that it was new people handling it without the experience of a seasoned BioWare writer. After playing Destiny 2 I am surprised Andromeda's story was a good as it was due to the head writer for Mass Effect: Andromeda going over to that mess of a story. |
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 7, 2018 21:37:00 GMT
I can’t be the only one who remembers this marketing gem: DA:O was the first game that really got me onto BW & I got it as a lucky b/day prezzie, knew nothing about the game before I played it but this trailer pretty much shows it as a hack & slash adventure & not what the game truly was, glad I hadn't seen this trailer until now in all honesty. There was a concerted effort to market DAO as a “metal” fantasy game... it was pretty weird in hindsight. |
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Post by coldsteelblue on Feb 7, 2018 23:36:06 GMT
DA:O was the first game that really got me onto BW & I got it as a lucky b/day prezzie, knew nothing about the game before I played it but this trailer pretty much shows it as a hack & slash adventure & not what the game truly was, glad I hadn't seen this trailer until now in all honesty. There was a concerted effort to market DAO as a “metal” fantasy game... it was pretty weird in hindsight. Just a bit yeah, glad I missed it. |
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Post by goishen on Feb 8, 2018 16:19:26 GMT
I dunno. I just think that SWTOR is right behind Andromeda in terms of storytelling, as it stands today. "Great, who's gonna betray me in this expansion? Who's not here? Mister X?" Turns out that Mister X is the big bad villain. *extremely monotone voice* "Whoah, who would'a thunk it?"
It just seems to me that BioWare shook the entire landscape of game development with ME. It was, to use a scale that most of you can identify with, an 8.0 on the richter scale. It showed women, asari, as capable beings. As being able to... Actually do shit. Actually able to fly helicopters, actually able to shoot guns, actually able to fight. In other societies, you could say that women were protected by their men. In asari culture, you couldn't say that. All female, actually capable beings. If I were a female, I would be highly pissed off by the scene in Andromeda where she's arguing for the right pronoun to be used.
Fuck the companions, I'm talking about the metaverse here. This was a CATACLYSMIC shift in the way that games were coded. And, they still have a ways to go on this front. Fuck, I could make a career out of this.
Now, for BioWare to go full on progressive, it's time to just stop. Don't shut up, nobody wants that. But please, god just stop. I don't know if you've had too much sugar, or too much caffeine, but please for the love of god, just stop. You're babbling about shit that it makes no sense for you to be babbling about. Some people might call this SJW stuff. I'm calling it you got too excited for your own good.
Sit down, have something to eat and just be introspective for a while. Then, maybe you can get back to actually writing some good stuff.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 8, 2018 17:17:08 GMT
I dunno. I just think that SWTOR is right behind Andromeda in terms of storytelling, as it stands today. "Great, who's gonna betray me in this expansion? Who's not here? Mister X?" Turns out that Mister X is the big bad villain. *extremely monotone voice* "Whoah, who would'a thunk it?" For that matter, how long has it been since they've had any meaningful SP content? I mean, is that what they mean by "games as service"? |
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 9, 2018 0:53:33 GMT
I dunno. I just think that SWTOR is right behind Andromeda in terms of storytelling, as it stands today. "Great, who's gonna betray me in this expansion? Who's not here? Mister X?" Turns out that Mister X is the big bad villain. *extremely monotone voice* "Whoah, who would'a thunk it?" For that matter, how long has it been since they've had any meaningful SP content? I mean, is that what they mean by "games as service"? Going by what AskAGameDev has said on the subject, most developers consider games as a service to be more of content that is changed in the game without a patch. So the weekly challenges in MP type of deal is what is considered "live elements" when the recent information about Dragon Age was reported. So a game that is PC only I doubt is where they are really going to implement games as a service or go back and implement systems for it since patching is free on the PC unlike what has been reported with consoles. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 9, 2018 2:54:35 GMT
I like the Javelin suits. I like the idea of the wild uncharted world to explore. I hate, like HATE the forced multiplayer. Having players around even if only in hub break my immersion and fun in playng. I'd like to give a chance to Anthem, but I need an antisocial mode to play solo and with no internet needed. Casey even clarifying that the next DA is "story and character focused" made me skeptical that Anthem will even have that. |
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Post by docsteely on Feb 9, 2018 15:49:47 GMT
One Angry GamerReally? My expectations for this game (and Bioware in general) just took a huge dive...
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Post by shechinah on Feb 9, 2018 20:13:08 GMT
It just seems to me that BioWare shook the entire landscape of game development with ME. It was, to use a scale that most of you can identify with, an 8.0 on the richter scale. It showed women, asari, as capable beings. As being able to... Actually do shit. Actually able to fly helicopters, actually able to shoot guns, actually able to fight. In other societies, you could say that women were protected by their men. In asari culture, you couldn't say that. All female, actually capable beings. If I were a female, I would be highly pissed off by the scene in Andromeda where she's arguing for the right pronoun to be used. Except Mass Effect has always been inconsistent about how the asari perceive gender. According to a codex, they are a mono-gendered species with no concept of gender differences. Liara claims that "male and female have no real meaning for us," and if she's asked, she says that she is "not precisely a woman." Aethyta takes outright offense when Shepard says that both she and Benezia would be considered the mother if they human. All of this points towards the asari viewing themselves as, at the very least, a gender neutral race yet the writers exclusively use female pronouns and the feminine version. It's a case of the writers presenting them as something that the characters claim that they are not. This was an inconsistency that was annoyingly present in every single game of the original trilogy. Andromeda merely continued it. |
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Post by goishen on Feb 9, 2018 20:24:53 GMT
It just seems to me that BioWare shook the entire landscape of game development with ME. It was, to use a scale that most of you can identify with, an 8.0 on the richter scale. It showed women, asari, as capable beings. As being able to... Actually do shit. Actually able to fly helicopters, actually able to shoot guns, actually able to fight. In other societies, you could say that women were protected by their men. In asari culture, you couldn't say that. All female, actually capable beings. If I were a female, I would be highly pissed off by the scene in Andromeda where she's arguing for the right pronoun to be used. Except Mass Effect has always been inconsistent about how the asari perceive gender. According to a codex, they are a mono-gendered species with no concept of gender differences. Liara claims that "male and female have no real meaning for us," and if she's asked, she says that she is "not precisely a woman." Aethyta takes outright offense when Shepard says that both she and Benezia would be considered the mother if they human. All of this points towards the asari viewing themselves as, at the very least, a gender neutral race yet the writers exclusively use female pronouns and the feminine version. It's a case of the writers presenting them as something that the characters claim that they are not. This was an inconsistency that was annoyingly present in every single game of the original trilogy. Andromeda merely continued it. Prove it. |
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 9, 2018 20:35:48 GMT
Except Mass Effect has always been inconsistent about how the asari perceive gender. According to a codex, they are a mono-gendered species with no concept of gender differences. Liara claims that "male and female have no real meaning for us," and if she's asked, she says that she is "not precisely a woman." Aethyta takes outright offense when Shepard says that both she and Benezia would be considered the mother if they human. All of this points towards the asari viewing themselves as, at the very least, a gender neutral race yet the writers exclusively use female pronouns and the feminine version. It's a case of the writers presenting them as something that the characters claim that they are not. This was an inconsistency that was annoyingly present in every single game of the original trilogy. Andromeda merely continued it. Prove it. You could prove where women thought that asari were good representation? They were mainly seen as sexy blue alien trope and seen as the "nice" feeley diplomatic race who for some inexplicable reason literally had a life stage were they went out and became strippers/mercenaries/dancers/prostitutes - you really think they were designed for "females"? |
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 9, 2018 20:42:58 GMT
How does that prove that women thought that asari were good representation of women? That's what your arguement was... |
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Post by goishen on Feb 9, 2018 20:57:01 GMT
Re-read my post, then come back to me and post again.
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Post by shechinah on Feb 9, 2018 20:58:23 GMT
I did. If you want direct links to the sources that I've used then here: Note: The videos are time stamped and I decided to tag the sources as spoilers to prevent them from taking up unnecessary space. |
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 9, 2018 20:59:04 GMT
It just seems to me that BioWare shook the entire landscape of game development with ME. It was, to use a scale that most of you can identify with, an 8.0 on the richter scale. It showed women, asari, as capable beings. As being able to... Actually do shit. Actually able to fly helicopters, actually able to shoot guns, actually able to fight. In other societies, you could say that women were protected by their men. In asari culture, you couldn't say that. All female, actually capable beings. If I were a female, I would be highly pissed off by the scene in Andromeda where she's arguing for the right pronoun to be used. This isn't you arguing that asari were good representation of women? |
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Post by goishen on Feb 9, 2018 21:14:22 GMT
What about that says 'good'? |
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 9, 2018 21:24:55 GMT
What about that says 'good'? You argued that women would be pissed that they had "changed" Asari gender cus they were portrayed as "capable" in the previous games - why would they be pissed at the change of gender if you thought that they weren't a good representation of women? |
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Post by goishen on Feb 9, 2018 21:28:44 GMT
What about that says 'good'? You argued that women would be pissed that they had "changed" Asari gender cus they were portrayed as "capable" in the previous games - why would they be pissed at the change of gender if you thought that they weren't a good representation of women? Quote my post back at me where I said that. |
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 9, 2018 21:32:19 GMT
If I were a female, I would be highly pissed off by the scene in Andromeda where she's arguing for the right pronoun to be used. Maybe you didn't mean it that way but in all honesty your point doesn't appear very clear. Also just to point out for the future, in general you shouldn't use female as a noun when refering to a woman. It's often used by ****heads to dehumanise women. You don't really want to be associated with them  |
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Post by river82 on Feb 9, 2018 21:39:07 GMT
Also just to point out for the future, in general you shouldn't use female as a noun when refering to a woman. It's often used by ****heads to dehumanise women. You don't really want to be associated with them  That's a myth. It's most often used on Government or official documents* because male and female are more formal words than man or woman (also those who english is their second language). It can be used in a derogatory manner, but so can "woman". Those who are trying to get people to stop using the word are pushing an agenda. Also some random information - woman literally means "wife of man", because "woman" comes from "wifman". I would think that would be far more offensive *  |
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Post by river82 on Feb 9, 2018 21:51:56 GMT
If I were a female, I would be highly pissed off by the scene in Andromeda where she's arguing for the right pronoun to be used. Maybe you didn't mean it that way but in all honesty your point doesn't appear very clear. Also just to point out for the future, in general you shouldn't use female as a noun when refering to a woman. It's often used by ****heads to dehumanise women. You don't really want to be associated with them Female, however, is descended from French or Latin. Many centuries ago the latin and French versions of words were promoted over the old English version of words, so they became more formal or acceptable to be used in formal or proper occasions. Female is more formal and acceptable because it's French or Latin, and woman is not as acceptable because it's old English, and therefore vulgar in the eyes of poncy medieval types. Same with male and man. Which is probably why on documents you'll often see "are you male or female" not "are you a man or a woman". Then this movement came about "stop using 'female' because reducing women to their reproductive organs is derogatory" and such stuff. Nothing about reducing women to being wives, no no no, that's not offensive at all ... |
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Post by shechinah on Feb 9, 2018 22:27:06 GMT
Maybe you didn't mean it that way but in all honesty your point doesn't appear very clear. Also just to point out for the future, in general you shouldn't use female as a noun when refering to a woman. It's often used by ****heads to dehumanise women. You don't really want to be associated with them Female, however, is descended from French or Latin. Many centuries ago the latin and French versions of words were promoted over the old English version of words, so they became more formal or acceptable to be used in formal or proper occasions. Female is more formal and acceptable because it's French or Latin, and woman is not as acceptable because it's old English, and therefore vulgar in the eyes of poncy medieval types. Same with male and man. Which is probably why on documents you'll often see "are you male or female" not "are you a man or a woman". Then this movement came about "stop using 'female' because reducing women to their reproductive organs is derogatory" and such stuff. Nothing about reducing women to being wives, no no no, that's not offensive at all ... I use female and woman interchangeable. I do the same with male and men. I'd say it's best based on the context of the conversation rather than which word is used. For example, I remember a talkshow in my country where an episode featured a debate between a man and a woman about the former's controversial opinion in regards to women. I believe it was about women in the work force. He used "girls" when referring to female adults and "men" when referring to male adults. It was condescending and blatantly indicative of his belief that women needed to be protected and would not be able to handle work outside of the home. Another example is when Nice Guys uses "female" and Nice Girls uses "boy". The former is often using it in a dehumanizing context that basically boils the female population down to a stereotype. The latter is often using it in a context that belittles the guy or guys in question for alleged immaturity. The context makes the usage derogatory when in other conversational contexts, it wouldn't be. |
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Post by river82 on Feb 9, 2018 22:37:59 GMT
I use female and woman interchangeable. I do the same with male and men. I'd say it's best based on the context of the conversation rather than which word is used. For example, I remember a talkshow in my country where an episode featured a debate between a man and a woman about the former's controversial opinion in regards to women. I believe it was about women in the work force. He used "girls" when referring to female adults and "men" when referring to male adults. It was condescending and blatantly indicative of his belief that women needed to be protected and would not be able to handle work outside of the home. Another example is when Nice Guys uses "female" and Nice Girls uses "boy". The former is often using it in a dehumanizing context that basically boils the female population down to a stereotype. The latter is often using it in a context that belittles the guy or guys in question for alleged immaturity. The context makes the usage derogatory when in other conversational contexts, it wouldn't be. Mayim Bialik (actress from Big Bang Theory, also a neuroscientist) wanted people to stop calling women "girls" because it infantilises women*. She then went on to say you don't hear people calling men "boys", and I was thinking ... mate, have you never watched any sort of sport at all in your life? Because after the game when they interview one of the players, he often refers to the other players as "boys" or "lads", at least where I'm from. Pretty soon we're gonna have one acceptable word to use and that's it. Deviate from it at your peril *http://www.eonline.com/au/news/838560/mayim-bialik-wants-people-to-stop-calling-women-girls-it-s-up-to-us-to-change-this-narrative |
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 9, 2018 22:53:04 GMT
Mayim Bialik (actress from Big Bang Theory, also a neuroscientist) wanted people to stop calling women "girls" because it infantilises women*. She then went on to say you don't hear people calling men "boys", and I was thinking ... mate, have you never watched any sort of sport at all in your life? Because after the game when they interview one of the players, he often refers to the other players as "boys" or "lads", at least where I'm from. I'm not stepping into the social commentary, but that may be a regional/language thing. It's not completely unheard of, but it's still pretty rare where I'm from, especially in comparison with the use of "girls", although "girls" is more used as a counterpart to "guys". I wonder what her take on "gals" would be, in that case? |
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