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Post by opuspace on Apr 16, 2018 4:27:29 GMT
They usually reverted back to their default appearance where Tali would go back to her purple armor, Garrus to his blue armor and Wrex to his red armor. Only Liara ever wore anything besides armor which tended to make it seem all the odder that the others didn't have civilian clothes (with the obvious exception of Tali). Actually, Tali reverting back is kind of weird. She'd have to constantly put herself in a sterile environment to keep changing back and forth between original and upgraded armors. Otherwise, she'd be exposing herself to things that could potentially kill her. Possible solution? She adds attachments to her armor that can be removed rather than replacing the armor. In order to "relax" aboard the Normandy she removes those add-ons. It's like armor for her existing suit rather than a change of clothes. I think what always drove me nuts in general would be how stifling it'd be in those suits constantly. Maybe Quarians have a different physiology but I know with the exception of the face mask, the rest of my skin would want to breathe. Tali has mentioned air conditioning for their suits but what about those who can't afford it? I kept expecting to see bits and pieces taken off to let their bodies air out.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 16, 2018 4:34:35 GMT
I think what always drove me nuts in general would be how stifling it'd be in those suits constantly. Maybe Quarians have a different physiology but I know with the exception of the face mask, the rest of my skin would want to breathe. Tali has mentioned air conditioning for their suits but what about those who can't afford it? I kept expecting to see bits and pieces taken off to let their bodies air out. I never saw any kind of monetary system within quarian society. No saying it isn't there but I never saw it. Could be the quarians are primarily concerned with the survival of their species and A/C for a suit would be considered a basic quarian right. Fact is, they can't afford to be reckless with their own people. Remember, they won't even imprison or execute other quarians. The worst is exile so any children they have can one day join the Migrant Fleet.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 16, 2018 4:36:52 GMT
I think what always drove me nuts in general would be how stifling it'd be in those suits constantly. Maybe Quarians have a different physiology but I know with the exception of the face mask, the rest of my skin would want to breathe. Tali has mentioned air conditioning for their suits but what about those who can't afford it? I kept expecting to see bits and pieces taken off to let their bodies air out. I never saw any kind of monetary system within quarian society. No saying it isn't there but I never saw it. Could be the quarians are primarily concerned with the survival of their species and A/C for a suit would be considered a basic quarian right. Fact is, they can't afford to be reckless with their own people. Remember, they won't even imprison or execute other quarians. The worst is exile so any children they have can one day join the Migrant Fleet. For that matter, would vaccinations have been insufficient in keeping their immune system preserved? One would have thought their ancestors would have taken that concern into consideration.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 16, 2018 4:44:12 GMT
For that matter, would vaccinations have been insufficient in keeping their immune system preserved? One would have thought their ancestors would have taken that concern into consideration. Not sure. All I know is that if peace is achieved between the quarians and geth that the geth will begin the process of repairing the immune systems of the quarians. That means it's a problem that can be fixed. (Sadly, I always pick Destroy and that puts an end to the geth, even though I generally make peace.)
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Post by opuspace on Apr 16, 2018 4:47:18 GMT
For that matter, would vaccinations have been insufficient in keeping their immune system preserved? One would have thought their ancestors would have taken that concern into consideration. Not sure. All I know is that if peace is achieved between the quarians and geth that the geth will begin the process of repairing the immune systems of the quarians. That means it's a problem that can be fixed. (Sadly, I always pick Destroy and that puts an end to the geth, even though I generally make peace.) Meh. I don't think it's insurmountable for them to overcome. To be honest, it always did leave me wondering why the Geth were still squatting on Rannoch when they don't need the planet for resources. They know their Creators need it yet and even though they made memorials, they've given no indication that the Quarians were welcome to have it back. Even Legion said that asteroids were more efficient for mining.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 16, 2018 5:05:30 GMT
To be honest, it always did leave me wondering why the Geth were still squatting on Rannoch when they don't need the planet for resources. They know their Creators need it yet and even though they made memorials, they've given no indication that the Quarians were welcome to have it back. Even Legion said that asteroids were more efficient for mining. However they felt about the quarians, they still knew that their creators wanted them destroyed. There's no incentive to welcome them back. They would have to assume that if the quarians were given a home and were able to build a population and colonize that they'd eventually come after them again.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 16, 2018 5:07:56 GMT
To be honest, it always did leave me wondering why the Geth were still squatting on Rannoch when they don't need the planet for resources. They know their Creators need it yet and even though they made memorials, they've given no indication that the Quarians were welcome to have it back. Even Legion said that asteroids were more efficient for mining. However they felt about the quarians, they still knew that their creators wanted them destroyed. There's no incentive to welcome them back. They would have to assume that if the quarians were given a home and were able to build a population and colonize that they'd eventually come after them again. Then why not leave the planet with a farewell message? They don't claim an attachment to the planet and there were plenty of places elsewhere to build a base.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 16, 2018 6:33:27 GMT
Then why not leave the planet with a farewell message? They don't claim an attachment to the planet and there were plenty of places elsewhere to build a base. Do we know that they don't have an attachment to the place? You could say the same things about any race where its people choose to colonize other worlds.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 16, 2018 12:56:53 GMT
They usually reverted back to their default appearance where Tali would go back to her purple armor, Garrus to his blue armor and Wrex to his red armor. Only Liara ever wore anything besides armor which tended to make it seem all the odder that the others didn't have civilian clothes (with the obvious exception of Tali). Actually, Tali reverting back is kind of weird. She'd have to constantly put herself in a sterile environment to keep changing back and forth between original and upgraded armors. Otherwise, she'd be exposing herself to things that could potentially kill her. Possible solution? She adds attachments to her armor that can be removed rather than replacing the armor. In order to "relax" aboard the Normandy she removes those add-ons. It's like armor for her existing suit rather than a change of clothes. I've said before that it would be pretty cool if the squadmates in bioware games got the modular armor treatment like Shepard did. Keep their "unique" style for all the pieces but have them mix and match however the player wants. That'd work for this Tali scenario as well I believe.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 16, 2018 15:40:05 GMT
Then why not leave the planet with a farewell message? They don't claim an attachment to the planet and there were plenty of places elsewhere to build a base. Do we know that they don't have an attachment to the place? You could say the same things about any race where its people choose to colonize other worlds. Not with a synthetic race like the Geth. We know their needs are different from that of an organic's. We know Legion himself tells Shepard that to treat the Geth like an organic race is benign racism and goes further to explain how organic offspring takes time to develop whereas geth require far less. Their pragmatism is the most notable, with the explanation of lack of windows. So an attachment to the home world is not confirmed nor is it logical as it places them at a target area of the creators. Had they built their dyson sphere elsewhere, they wouldn't have lost so many programs. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Geth"The geth are reclusive and secretive. This is partly due to their synthetic nature: They have no need to interact with other races because they do not share the same goals, needs or instincts as organic species. As machines, comfort is also not a concern for them, something that is reflected in elements of geth ship and station design (e.g., minimal gravity, lack of windows, efficient use of space, function over form, lack of atmosphere, and absence of climate control).
According to Legion, geth do not actually live on any of the quarian planets they conquered, serving merely as caretakers for them instead. They find it more efficient to live on space stations and draw resources from asteroids, though they maintain mobile platforms on the worlds to clear rubble and toxins left by the Morning War."
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 16, 2018 17:54:27 GMT
Not with a synthetic race like the Geth. We know their needs are different from that of an organic's. Not needing to live on a planet is not the same as not having an attachment to it. Clearly, they did. Just as clearly, though they have a certain respect for their creators, they also don't trust them (or any organics).
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Post by congokong on Apr 16, 2018 18:15:33 GMT
- Having to listen silently without contradicting when 1. Eve spouts her BS on how the genophage is responsible for all the krogan's problems and how curing it will fix everything. 2. Mordin considers sympathy for Eve to be "new data" that invalidates his genophage work. 3. the krogan whine about how the genophage was wrong when the alternative for every other species was to just let the krogan dominate them. 4. Chakwas brushes off Adams not joining the crew in ME2. 5. the new council in ME3 says Shepard sacrificed the old one "to protect human interests" when it was because a reaper was glued to the damn Citadel. 6. every short-sighted crew member scolds you for keeping the collector base in ME2. 7. Jacob brushes off cheating on you in the Citadel DLC by saying you were with Kaidan/Liara when they met.
- Having to keep saluting Hackett all the damn time and appearing to like him even though he: 1. spoke against you becoming a spectre unless you're a war hero. 2. makes sure no arrests are made for people defiling the Torfan torch (ruthless background). 3. sells you out to the batarians after Arrival to keep his hands clean. 4. steals your spotlight by boarding your ship with weapons-drawn soldiers and makes the final speech when you united the galaxy while he presided over the most devastating defeat in human history.
- Being forced to 1. let Ranos Thanoptis go a second time. 2. let characters like Shiala, Ranos, Suresh, and the rachni queen go scot-free, or execute them. 3. be fine with an AI controlling the Alliance's most advanced warship. 4. be fine with Liara blatantly spying on you. 5. turn yourself in to the Alliance before ME3; even for something as bogus as "working for Cerberus." 6. be absolutely convinced of Saren's guilt and the reapers' existence with almost no evidence in early ME1. 7. be relatively ok with Jacob cheating on you and getting someone else pregnant until the Citadel DLC slap scene. 8. be a spectator to the Kai-Lang/Thane duel. 9. stupidly put down your weapon in the Citadel DLC because cloneShep took Brooks hostage.
- Not being able to 1. point out to Samara threatening renegade Shepard that she's quite renegade herself. 2. beat down the greedy black market weapons dealer salarian in ME3. 3. suspect EDI intentionally let the Collectors locate and board the Normandy so she could be unshackled. 4. criticize Liara for not joining the crew in ME2 so she can sit at her desk on Illium plotting revenge. 5. call Jacob a moron for honestly suggesting to space Legion. After that, he shouldn't even be allowed at the meetings. 6. punch Jacob when he selfishly wants "a life" and "a family" in the middle of a reaper war, refuses to rejoin the crew so he can be a glorified bodyguard, and having the nerve to say "the Normandy is your real love." 7. tell Miranda that stopping the reapers from killing everyone is far more important than finding her sister.
- Obvious one: The Horizon survivor bitches about you being with Cerberus after you just saved their life and the colony's. - ME3 Mordin has a crisis of conscience at the worst possible time; effectively standing between you and salarian aid, and even tipping off the krogan in the first place about the fertile females without being able to ask why he'd do that. - Liara stupidly asks what's bothering you shortly after the reapers invade earth. How would she feel if you asked her that when she was crying on her bed after the reapers hit Thessia? - Kasumi complains about Shepard wanting her to actually fight to save herself and the galaxy.
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Post by obbie1984 on Apr 16, 2018 22:43:59 GMT
congokong , that was a great post. I agree with most of it actually. I'm not so sure about the Hackett ones, but the rest are all really good points. But you mention many points about Liara, but don't mention how we are forced to act like we like her in Shadow Broker DLC if you hated her guts in ME1. Or how she knew about the Collector threat and Shepard being alive but doesn't notify the Alliance or anyone else. And her general creepiness. And how she gets to be the one person who humanizes Shepard in ME3, or why she is the one who comes to your aid in Citadel DLC if you have no romance or romanced someone from ME2.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 17, 2018 1:29:41 GMT
4. Chakwas brushes off Adams not joining the crew in ME2. Why would he join Cerberus? Honestly, Chakwas doing so is outright baffling. Joker makes sense since he was grounded by the Alliance. 3. sells you out to the batarians after Arrival to keep his hands clean. I never had this happen. Shepard certainly wasn't in batarian hands by the beginning of ME3. He was supposedly confined specifically so the batarians didn't kill him. - Obvious one: The Horizon survivor bitches about you being with Cerberus after you just saved their life and the colony's. I think it makes sense in the context of being an LI. If that person is simply a squadmate there shouldn't be nearly as much hard feeling. 5. call Jacob a moron for honestly suggesting to space Legion. After that, he shouldn't even be allowed at the meetings. More along these lines, he was a total dick when he told Tali not to forget to introduce herself to the ship's AI.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 17, 2018 2:36:53 GMT
6. punch Jacob when he selfishly wants "a life" and "a family" in the middle of a reaper war, refuses to rejoin the crew so he can be a glorified bodyguard, and having the nerve to say "the Normandy is your real love." At least he can say that he provided cover fire for Shepard whereas the ME3 squadmates can't say that.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Apr 17, 2018 14:39:13 GMT
--some observance while on some groups...
I'm not sure why people who gleefully repeats "you big stupid jellyfish" and then at the same time getting really mad at Ashley for being racist for having trouble differentiating aliens and animals.
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--some observance while on some groups... I'm not sure why people who gleefully repeats "you big stupid jellyfish" and then at the same time getting really mad at Ashley for being racist for having trouble differentiating aliens and animals. often when people use that line with Shepard, they are just be an asshole about it. With them, They don't like it when another steals their spotlight........then again Hanar are big stupid jellyfish.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 17, 2018 18:05:50 GMT
Garrus and Tali being on the roster in ME3, even though both can be dead, and not any of the ME2 squdmates that aren't ME1 characters
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 17, 2018 18:16:00 GMT
Garrus and Tali being on the roster in ME3, even though both can be dead, and not any of the ME2 squdmates that aren't ME1 characters They could have subbed two ME2 squadmates for potentially dead Tali and Garrus. Tbh, I'd have left Tali and Garrus out of ME2 and just had Zaeed and Kasumi in their place. It would have minimized the number of squadmates and been consistent in isolating Shepard. Similarly, I'd have left out Chakwas because her being there really doesn't make any sense.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 17, 2018 18:54:14 GMT
I would have Garrus and Tali not on the roster in ME3. He would be Victus' secretary until the genephage is dealt with and Tali plays the same role as Xen and Raan.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Apr 19, 2018 2:08:28 GMT
I'm surprised no one mentioned this yet, but:
The Hugo Gernsback's Crew (Jacob's dad ship) uses thermal clips on their weapons. And it crashed down in 2175, 8 to 10 years before the technology even existed.
It would be a good callback to the original Mass Effect with Shepard using a Weapon that overheats (Like the M-7 Lancer found during Citadel DLC) and it would make sense.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 20, 2018 13:44:33 GMT
I'm surprised no one mentioned this yet, but: The Hugo Gernsback's Crew (Jacob's dad ship) uses thermal clips on their weapons. And it crashed down in 2175, 8 to 10 years before the technology even existed. It would be a good callback to the original Mass Effect with Shepard using a Weapon that overheats (Like the M-7 Lancer found during Citadel DLC) and it would make sense. I believe its been mentioned in the things that don't make sense thread. I know it was mentioned on the old forum
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Apr 20, 2018 14:07:37 GMT
I'm surprised no one mentioned this yet, but: The Hugo Gernsback's Crew (Jacob's dad ship) uses thermal clips on their weapons. And it crashed down in 2175, 8 to 10 years before the technology even existed. It would be a good callback to the original Mass Effect with Shepard using a Weapon that overheats (Like the M-7 Lancer found during Citadel DLC) and it would make sense. I believe its been mentioned in the things that don't make sense thread. I know it was mentioned on the old forum Yah, I remember this one. But it also is annoying. I mean, Bioware spent all this time creating this awesome universe and they contradict it themselves for the sake of gameplay mechanics. I mean, was it too hard to not let enemies drop ammo clips, so Shepard and his companions had to save ammunition and use it wisely along with their powers? Make the level shorter, less enemies, IDK, but that was just insulting to someone that played the first game, had no thermal clips, recognized that they were invented in the time span of the Battle of the Citadel and the events of ME2, just to say "Oh, look, this ship crashed down aprox. 10 years ago, but has the same freaking technology you've just recently developed" I mean... Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 15:56:29 GMT
I believe its been mentioned in the things that don't make sense thread. I know it was mentioned on the old forum Yah, I remember this one. But it also is annoying. I mean, Bioware spent all this time creating this awesome universe and they contradict it themselves for the sake of gameplay mechanics. I mean, was it too hard to not let enemies drop ammo clips, so Shepard and his companions had to save ammunition and use it wisely along with their powers? Make the level shorter, less enemies, IDK, but that was just insulting to someone that played the first game, had no thermal clips, recognized that they were invented in the time span of the Battle of the Citadel and the events of ME2, just to say "Oh, look, this ship crashed down aprox. 10 years ago, but has the same freaking technology you've just recently developed" I mean... Lol. Sure, it was a mistake on Bioware's part (an undeniable plot hole, iMO). Still, why make out like it's some sort of personal insult and allow it to annoy you for 10 years. That "ship crashed 10 years ago." (joking - just couldn't resist).
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
MegaIllusiveMan
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Apr 20, 2018 16:28:04 GMT
Yah, I remember this one. But it also is annoying. I mean, Bioware spent all this time creating this awesome universe and they contradict it themselves for the sake of gameplay mechanics. I mean, was it too hard to not let enemies drop ammo clips, so Shepard and his companions had to save ammunition and use it wisely along with their powers? Make the level shorter, less enemies, IDK, but that was just insulting to someone that played the first game, had no thermal clips, recognized that they were invented in the time span of the Battle of the Citadel and the events of ME2, just to say "Oh, look, this ship crashed down aprox. 10 years ago, but has the same freaking technology you've just recently developed" I mean... Lol. Sure, it was a mistake on Bioware's part (an undeniable plot hole, iMO). Still, why make out like it's some sort of personal insult and allow it to annoy you for 10 years. That "ship crashed 10 years ago." (joking - just couldn't resist). Nah, TBH, I couldn't write it better. Sure, it feels like a personal insult the way I wrote it, but the fact is that is quite saddening to say that from that time on, we all started to see how Bioware contradicted itself with some things. I mean, looking back, there were some moral dillemas or occasions ME2 could've done better if explored properly in ME1. Cerberus being a pure evil organization for the sake of being evil to "Hey, we're not all bad!", Shep having to work with Cerberus despite being a Sole Survivor and having no significant mentioning of it at all on the story. The fact that we all knew how secretive being the Shadow Broker was and Liara can't just go to the Presidium in ME3 without going on top of a table and yelling "Everyone! I'm the Shadow Broker!" Look, it's annoying when you think about it, but just when you think about it. ME is a great game, with countless of contradictions and non-sense things, but that doesn't keep me from playing or carrying on with my life without complaining in every single post here on this forum, like many do. Thing is, this thread was, in fact, to say somethings that were annoying, so I couldn't pass the oportunity
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