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Post by Dukemon on Mar 3, 2018 18:06:50 GMT
I guess this could be a very interesting thread. The question is what would you change in Dragon Age 2 and which way?
I hope you can understand my english. ^^'
For example, I would like, if choosing Heal or Heroic Aura the game should unlock an additional dialogue option in the first dialogue with Aveline and Wesley that Wesley can fight as NPC, like the Mabari. Just a short-term solution that can help you in the tutorial. In this situation. Does not sound quite illogical, I think. Mage Hawke is using his learned spell. That would support the atmosphere and integrate your character into the game world.
Next one. Some additional Quests for the specializations.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 19:17:43 GMT
I'VE BEEN SUMMONED! Well for one the fact that you are stuck as one human, namely Hawke, i'd change. I would've liked to played as an elf, or even a Dwarf like the pervious instalment, DA:O. However, I would leave in the siblings, and change it's MMO-like combat system (because it basically depowered my Hawke), and as for the story, well, I'd change the fact that Orisno became a Harvester at the ending too, that was dumb tbh. I also would've liked it if Hawke could've gone to one city to the next, making the world feel a lot bigger than it seemed in the one city of Kirkwall.
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Post by copper on Mar 3, 2018 21:47:59 GMT
I think it would have been more interesting if, instead of Meredith going crazy from red lyrium, she was arguably sane and genuinely believed she was doing the right thing. She has backstory reasons already to support the circle system. I can only assume that the red lyrium thing was a way to justify her being the endgame boss regardless of whether Hawke supports the templars or not. Likewise Orsino should not be a boss fight if Hawke sides with the mages.
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Post by Lazarillo on Mar 3, 2018 23:34:13 GMT
A few "small-ish" things off the top of my head: -Better handling of Anders. He's really inconsistently written in terms of his abomination-ness, and far too drastically different compared to Awakening (not to mention the timelines of DA2 vs. Awakening are really confusing as a result). -Keep Carver and Bethany both around, at least through the end of act 1. Sucks that two of the three best companions are mutually exclusive. -Kill Tallis. -Absolutely don't change Orsino. People try to make enough excuses for him as it is. The Mage side doesn't need any more whitewashing than it already gets. If anything, make his crimes more obvious because, while it's not like they weren't already, people still seem to ignore them an awful lot. -That said, I've mixed opinions on Meredith. As copper said, it cheapens her, too, that the Red Lyrium excuse can be used to make her the final boss regardless, but at the same time, without it, there's less reason to force a confrontation with Hawke right then and there, but there's no effective way to end the story with her alive. -Though this is more of an Inquisition thing, I feel like it's related: don't assume, going forward, that Varric is always in Hawke's party.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 4, 2018 1:59:58 GMT
I think it would have been more interesting if, instead of Meredith going crazy from red lyrium, she was arguably sane and genuinely believed she was doing the right thing. She has backstory reasons already to support the circle system. I can only assume that the red lyrium thing was a way to justify her being the endgame boss regardless of whether Hawke supports the templars or not. Likewise Orsino should not be a boss fight if Hawke sides with the mages. Meredith was never sane, she was paranoid and cruel even in the Act 1. The red lyrium didn't make her mad, only amplified her madness. The red lyrium was not the cause her madness, rather the consequence. Meredith's case with the red lyrium is brilliant! It shows, she just as weak as many blood mages whom she fears (and just as dangerous then they): she let the temptation win for more power, and because she thought, she strong enough to handle this weird magical energy... and finally became a raging Abomination. This is beautiful fate!
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Post by Catilina on Mar 4, 2018 2:12:07 GMT
A few "small-ish" things off the top of my head: -Better handling of Anders. He's really inconsistently written in terms of his abomination-ness, and far too drastically different compared to Awakening (not to mention the timelines of DA2 vs. Awakening are really confusing as a result). -Keep Carver and Bethany both around, at least through the end of act 1. Sucks that two of the three best companions are mutually exclusive. -Kill Tallis. -Absolutely don't change Orsino. People try to make enough excuses for him as it is. The Mage side doesn't need any more whitewashing than it already gets. If anything, make his crimes more obvious because, while it's not like they weren't already, people still seem to ignore them an awful lot. -That said, I've mixed opinions on Meredith. As copper said, it cheapens her, too, that the Red Lyrium excuse can be used to make her the final boss regardless, but at the same time, without it, there's less reason to force a confrontation with Hawke right then and there, but there's no effective way to end the story with her alive. -Though this is more of an Inquisition thing, I feel like it's related: don't assume, going forward, that Varric is always in Hawke's party. Anders/Justice's character is good, surprisingly consistent with him/themselves. What's the difference? They're already one, and this clear. But even they're Anders and Justice + their influence on each other. What's the problem? Red lyrium's NOT an excuse to Meredith. This is her fate, and this is perfect.
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Post by Lazarillo on Mar 4, 2018 3:08:07 GMT
Anders/Justice's character is good, surprisingly consistent with him/themselves. What's the difference? They're already one, and this clear. But even they're Anders and Justice + their influence on each other. What's the problem? Anders will flat out tell Isabella at one point that there's no line where he "stops" and Justice "starts", but then he'll also say in a romance with Hawke that "Justice doesn't approve" and such, and goes full on into a split personality at other points. That they don't really act like "one", except when it's convenient to the story (and vice versa) is a big part of the problem. Anders should have been angry, voiced-by-Adam-Leadbetter Anders all the time, or conniving, voiced-by-Adam-Howden Anders all the time. It is and it isn't, and that's why I say I'm not sure whether there's a way to fix it, but also think it has some issues. I agree that Meredith's final fate is pretty much what it should have been. There was no way that even a Templar-supporting Hawke could coexist with Meredith indefinitely, however, without Meredith going nuts, it's hard to imagine the two coming into direct conflict at the moment they did. Maybe if, for example, Hawke spares a Circle!Bethany and the other runaways, but that's not guaranteed to be the case, either. Although, that said, given how far both she and Orsino are gone at that point, if Hawke had decided to side with the Templars and then spare some Mages anyway, it would've been pretty epic if they actually attacked Hawke simultaneously, rather than separately.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 4, 2018 9:13:48 GMT
Anders/Justice's character is good, surprisingly consistent with him/themselves. What's the difference? They're already one, and this clear. But even they're Anders and Justice + their influence on each other. What's the problem? Anders will flat out tell Isabella at one point that there's no line where he "stops" and Justice "starts", but then he'll also say in a romance with Hawke that "Justice doesn't approve" and such, and goes full on into a split personality at other points. That they don't really act like "one", except when it's convenient to the story (and vice versa) is a big part of the problem. Anders should have been angry, voiced-by-Adam-Leadbetter Anders all the time, or conniving, voiced-by-Adam-Howden Anders all the time. It is and it isn't, and that's why I say I'm not sure whether there's a way to fix it, but also think it has some issues. I agree that Meredith's final fate is pretty much what it should have been. There was no way that even a Templar-supporting Hawke could coexist with Meredith indefinitely, however, without Meredith going nuts, it's hard to imagine the two coming into direct conflict at the moment they did. Maybe if, for example, Hawke spares a Circle!Bethany and the other runaways, but that's not guaranteed to be the case, either. Although, that said, given how far both she and Orsino are gone at that point, if Hawke had decided to side with the Templars and then spare some Mages anyway, it would've been pretty epic if they actually attacked Hawke simultaneously, rather than separately. I still don't understand, what's your problem with it. Anders said, he feel's Justice's thoughts as his own, but probably he feels these as a strange thought, what's not like his usual thoughts. Both have independent thoughts, but they feel that as their own (Justice in the Fade also spoke Anders as he told about Hawke...) And I imagine that as some multiple personality disorder (when he lost the control, and Justice takes over). This merging is strange. FleMyth says something similar in the Fade in Inquisition, but FleMyth merged so long time ago. The voice actor change didn't bother me. This doesn't make Awakening Anders + Justice and Anders/Justice inconsistent. Anders/Justice just as angry as was Awakening!Anders, just more dedicated. Conniving? What you spoke about? In fact, he's mostly roughly sincere, only once he lies (and about his escape's reason, when he met with Hawke first – but in this case, probably what he told, was right too, only not his real reason). But don't forget: he escaped five times before the punished him seriously because he showed himself as nice, harmless guy: Irving still trusted him, this could not have been a coincidence. He's not a big liar, he's very bad at this – Varric also told, and we saw how he act at his personal quest, but he never was lack of the persuasiveness – this was his survival tool in the Circle. An angry, charming guy and we experienced both, even in Awakening – and in DA2 too. He was not that charming guy anymore, but not totally lost this ability. He's a very controversial man, just like many damaged people, especially who survived captivity. But this doesn't mean inconsistency. He's same as Awakening!Anders + Awakening'Justice. ___ About Meredith and Orsino: Orsino didn't deserves that fate, but his desperate and craziness also understandable. Again: blame Meredith and the whole system, that makes good, brave wo/men crazy.
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Post by Dukemon on Mar 4, 2018 12:19:36 GMT
I approve the fact that Bioware was chosing only take human, one race. Bioware are not free enough to handle with different races in a single player game. In DAO Bioware had enough time and could not implement the races in a natural way. Not even the classes were important in the plot anyway. This was only a gameplay decision. The MET, Andromeda and Exodus showed that their only human concept is working better than the multi race games. Andromeda and Exodus problem was that they were developed in 2 years. A big mistake from EA and this is why Bioware should turn away from multi races games in singe players.
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Post by Lazarillo on Mar 4, 2018 14:58:33 GMT
Both have independent thoughts, but they feel that as their own (Justice in the Fade also spoke Anders as he told about Hawke...) That's my point. It's inconsistent with the portrayals of Abominations like Wynne or Uldred. And it's inconsistent with Anders who says that they're the same entity now. It has nothing to do with having a different VA from Awakening (or even that his personality shifted from Awakening...although I think it shifted too far for entertainment value's sake, the shift is at least logically consistent), it has everything to do with the fact that he acts like two different characters at different points. Basically, by making it possible to shift all of the blame from Banner to Hulk, it ruins the depth of the Banner "personality".
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Post by Catilina on Mar 4, 2018 16:15:11 GMT
Both have independent thoughts, but they feel that as their own (Justice in the Fade also spoke Anders as he told about Hawke...) That's my point. It's inconsistent with the portrayals of Abominations like Wynne or Uldred. And it's inconsistent with Anders who says that they're the same entity now. It has nothing to do with having a different VA from Awakening (or even that his personality shifted from Awakening...although I think it shifted too far for entertainment value's sake, the shift is at least logically consistent), it has everything to do with the fact that he acts like two different characters at different points. Basically, by making it possible to shift all of the blame from Banner to Hulk, it ruins the depth of the Banner "personality". Anders/Justice isn't that kind is Wynne or even Uldred, and this two also different. Uldred like Huon for example. A simple willing demon-possession. Their demon uses Uldred's and Huon's body from the Fade. Justice is inside Anders, not it the Fade. The Faith and Wynne? I don't know how it works, but easier than Anders/Justice. Wynne already reconciled herself, when took the Faith, but Anders was the storm and fire himself, and Justice also not that easy spirit: justice and vengeance in one. And what Anders said about how he feels, was similar to that FleMyth said, when the Inquisitor asks her. (But FleMyth also different – Morrigan said, she thought Flemets's an Abomination, but she's more than this... and her possession happened 1000 years ago.) I imagine, how he feels about Justice's "voice" in his head: as I said before, probably this is a strange, but even strong thought. Still, his thought, but not necessarily same as his familiar feelings and thoughts. And can argue with, just as everyone else can argue against him/herself. We all have the pros and cons arguments about many things, decisions. And again: this is similar to the multiple disorder, but his "voices" are valid: he really has another person in his head. And this person already himself too. Perhaps, this is strange, but not bad writing, just because too hard to understand or imagine. I don't even think, "Justice doesn't approve" their relationship with Hawke. He didn't prevent that, even in the rivalry, when the relationship is very dangerous. Justice prevented that Anders to be drunken or selfish – why he allowed this love? I suppose Justice suggested, this is a distraction (and he's right about it), but he was curious as well (We know that from the Awakening, he was curious about Kristoff's emotions toward his wife, and he wanted to experience the world in different views... he spoke about Velanna... and... this is very dangerous to him: this is a desire).
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Post by themikefest on Mar 4, 2018 16:15:57 GMT
Meredith survives when siding with the Templars Have the option to let another companion kill Anders Have Anders and Merril be an option to have on the roster, not mandatory If the player chooses not to see/talk with Merril and Anders for the whole game, Hawke makes a comment about who are you in Act 3 Instead of having Carver/Bethany die based on what class is played, the player decides which one the ogre kills
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 4, 2018 16:24:19 GMT
Both Carver and Bethany live, or at least which one dies is not attached to your class.
Being able to at least attempt to stop Anders once he starts wanting to becoming a warmongering terrorist.
Having some of the romances have a non-sexual route rather than all having sex be mandatory. And don’t have the game poke fun if you choose that route.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 4, 2018 16:25:10 GMT
Meredith survives when siding with the Templars Have the option to let another companion kill Anders Have Anders and Merril be an option to have on the roster, not mandatory If the player chooses not to see/talk with Merril and Anders for the whole game, Hawke makes a comment about who are you in Act 3 Instead of having Carver/Bethany die based on what class is played, the player decides which one the ogre kills But Meredith was the main enemy of Kirkwall (with Elthina) from the beginning. If she survives, a mad, raging abomination rules the city: the red lyrium rules the city. ... Hmmm, of course, this is a brilliant idea: would fit well how illogical to support Meredith in DA2. It's a good idea, I think would nice too, if Hawke would able to fight for Anders with Sebastian... Hawke can send away Anders. Just say: this is an option. Oh what nice idea: Hawke send his/her sibling to the death!
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Post by Catilina on Mar 4, 2018 16:30:13 GMT
In romance with Anders, I would like an option to make more personal the judgement scene. The acceptance, the mercy or the execution too.
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Post by copper on Mar 4, 2018 17:42:56 GMT
I think it would have been more interesting if, instead of Meredith going crazy from red lyrium, she was arguably sane and genuinely believed she was doing the right thing. She has backstory reasons already to support the circle system. I can only assume that the red lyrium thing was a way to justify her being the endgame boss regardless of whether Hawke supports the templars or not. Likewise Orsino should not be a boss fight if Hawke sides with the mages. Meredith was never sane, she was paranoid and cruel even in the Act 1. The red lyrium didn't make her mad, only amplified her madness. The red lyrium was not the cause her madness, rather the consequence. Meredith's case with the red lyrium is brilliant! It shows, she just as weak as many blood mages whom she fears (and just as dangerous then they): she let the temptation win for more power, and because she thought, she strong enough to handle this weird magical energy... and finally became a raging Abomination. This is beautiful fate! Oh Meredith was always extreme for sure. I guess the red lyrium thing just weakens the whole thing for me though, since Meredith certainly isn't the only person in Thedas to have the views that she does. It's like they just dismiss that extremist views like hers exist because she's crazy. It just... gets rid of some of the complexity in the mage/templar debate, in my personal opinion, and weakens her complexity as a villain. I'm not really satisfied with how I'm wording this, I hope this makes sense though. In romance with Anders, I would like an option to make more personal the judgement scene. The acceptance, the mercy or the execution too. Agreed. Regardless of whether Hawke is Anders' friend, enemy, or lover, the judgement scene felt too impersonal.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 4, 2018 17:55:52 GMT
Meredith was never sane, she was paranoid and cruel even in the Act 1. The red lyrium didn't make her mad, only amplified her madness. The red lyrium was not the cause her madness, rather the consequence. Meredith's case with the red lyrium is brilliant! It shows, she just as weak as many blood mages whom she fears (and just as dangerous then they): she let the temptation win for more power, and because she thought, she strong enough to handle this weird magical energy... and finally became a raging Abomination. This is beautiful fate! Oh Meredith was always extreme for sure. I guess the red lyrium thing just weakens the whole thing for me though, since Meredith certainly isn't the only person in Thedas to have the views that she does. It's like they just dismiss that extremist views like hers exist because she's crazy. It just... gets rid of some of the complexity in the mage/templar debate, in my personal opinion, and weakens her complexity as a villain. I'm not really satisfied with how I'm wording this, I hope this makes sense though. In romance with Anders, I would like an option to make more personal the judgement scene. The acceptance, the mercy or the execution too. Agreed. Regardless of whether Hawke is Anders' friend, enemy, or lover, the judgement scene felt too impersonal. In my view, this makes her more complex, and the problems too: Meredith seems strong like adamant, but just a weak fool. No more than Uldred, for example, and not the magic is the greatest danger: the temptations are, and the excessive pride, what made people blind (Meredith, Marethari...) Without the red lyrium, she just a paranoid cruel tyrant. The red lyrium no excuse, but rather the accusation. I loved the red lyrium problem in DA2, I strongly disliked it in DAI. In DAI, the red lyrium was still a temptation, but even an excuse to the Templars. In DAI, the red lyrium seemed just a natural disaster, seems without it, the "poor" Templars would be been "Knights in Shining Armour", while this isn't right.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Mar 4, 2018 18:40:54 GMT
I'd like some sort of follow-up conversation if you're romancing Anders but refuse to distract the Grand Cleric for him. Maybe you could break up with him or he breaks up with you, but as it is, things feel unresolved in that situation.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 4, 2018 18:49:04 GMT
I'd like some sort of follow-up conversation if you're romancing Anders but refuse to distract the Grand Cleric for him. Maybe you could break up with him or he breaks up with you, but as it is, things feel unresolved in that situation. I suppose this is relevant, he doesn't want to break up, he loves Hawke (or/and obsessed with Hawke), whatever happens. Only thing what can break up his love is if Hawke let the sloth demon to posses Feynriel. But I agree: it would be nice an option to Hawke to break up with him (not necessarily in rivalry, the rivalry is an unhealthy obsession on both side, I'm not sure, Hawke, would able to break up with him in rivalry...)
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Post by Catilina on Mar 4, 2018 18:52:20 GMT
In romance with Anders, I would like an option to make more personal the judgement scene. The acceptance, the mercy or the execution too. Would have like that as well. It should have been a difficult, emotional scene if you chose Hawke to kill Anders, especially if Hawke romanced Anders. As it was when he kills Anders from the back it is impersonal and kind of cruel. And not nearly as emotional or powerful as when the last thing Karl sees is his former lover or friend). As for saving Anders would have liked a hug or something. Anything just not that impersonal bullshit. Nobody behaves such a way in love (at least quite a few, I suppose). My Hawke also would hug him, at least. And someone else would punch him, not once for different reasons... but not kill him. And if kill him, not like that... Anders emotions are okay. He says goodbye, or happy if Hawke spares his life. Hawke's emotions are nothing.
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Post by Rascoth on Mar 4, 2018 21:40:00 GMT
More control over gaps between acts. Maybe some conversations at the start of each act that let you pick a thing or two that happened there, or simply making them smaller. Doesn't even have to have much effect, just akin to conversation with Josephine. As they're now they're pretty much void, hollowing Hawke's and companions a bit. Or even making more, smaller acts, spread out in time instead with those huge time gaps.
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Post by fylimar on Mar 5, 2018 22:03:21 GMT
I think it would have been more interesting if, instead of Meredith going crazy from red lyrium, she was arguably sane and genuinely believed she was doing the right thing. She has backstory reasons already to support the circle system. I can only assume that the red lyrium thing was a way to justify her being the endgame boss regardless of whether Hawke supports the templars or not. Likewise Orsino should not be a boss fight if Hawke sides with the mages. Meredith was never sane, she was paranoid and cruel even in the Act 1. The red lyrium didn't make her mad, only amplified her madness. The red lyrium was not the cause her madness, rather the consequence. Meredith's case with the red lyrium is brilliant! It shows, she just as weak as many blood mages whom she fears (and just as dangerous then they): she let the temptation win for more power, and because she thought, she strong enough to handle this weird magical energy... and finally became a raging Abomination. This is beautiful fate! That is a good explanation for the red lyrium Meredith and it makes totally sense. However, I would have loved to see her explored without the red lyrium too. You are right, she did have problems and she was paranoid. Her not becoming a super villain, but just a knight commander gone horribly wrong, would have made for a strong story too. What I would like to change: - Orsino not going Harvester, totally out of character - having the end less rail roaded. - Varric as a love interest of course - I would love to be able to betray Tallis and steal that list. I love MotA, but again, the end is too rail roaded. -make sure that Thrask and Sol survive. Sol is not mentioned in any way in the big end fight and he should be, he is one of the mages of the circle you have the most contact with apart from Alain and Orsino, and sadly Grace.
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Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Gileadan on Mar 6, 2018 9:47:39 GMT
- add at least one (but ideally more) quests to flesh out Hawke's work with the smugglers/mercenaries after the prologue - if you have to have the time gaps between the acts, don't gloss over them, show what happens over the years, maybe even with some player input - add two neutral ending choices where you do not pick mages or templars... one choice where you state you don't care and let them have at each other, and one aggressive "I judge you ALL!" option - overall craziness (Meredith, 90% of all mages) really needs to be dialed back a notch or four - remove combat with several waves from quests where it makes no sense, like those hucksters that sell Andraste's ashes - make it so that those combat animations that are over the top are a rare occurrence that catches your eye when it happens, not something that's "normal"
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Post by patrickbateman on Mar 6, 2018 12:10:03 GMT
Mainly one thing, I'd like the option to use the murder knife on Anders and Orsino in act 1.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 12:28:50 GMT
Mainly one thing, I'd like the option to use the murder knife on Anders and Orsino in act 1. What exactly would change, if you can murder Orsino in Act1?
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