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Post by themikefest on Mar 6, 2018 14:37:54 GMT
have mom killed by the ogre instead of the sibling  Hawke has the option to let the Templars know there's an abomination named Anders hiding in darktown. When the Templars show up, the Anders abomination is gone. If Hawke decides to kill the elf clan, Merril is killed as well Aveline tells the story instead of Varric. She was with Hawke at the beginning Gamlen is rich, but refuses to have Hawke live in his mansion. He is nice enough to provide a shack for Hawke to live in until after the deep roads expedition. Orsino is the one who bought the red lyrium idol. Its the reason why he turns himself into a big blob of crap Carver becomes a city guard instead of a Templar Bethany remains as a companion instead of going to the circle |
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Post by Tittus on Mar 6, 2018 17:03:09 GMT
1- More conversations with Orana and have the option to make her more happy. A quest to her.
2- For that matter, more conversations with companions. I headcannon some talks, but I wanted to estabelish somethings.
3- Option to invite Gamlen to live with you after Leandra dies
4- Implementation of the cut content that explains how the mage companions weren't arrested.
5- Companion's armors. So many loot that I can't use.
6- Kirkwall's very empty for a city that's supposedly so important in the Free Marches.
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Post by patrickbateman on Mar 6, 2018 17:20:08 GMT
Mainly one thing, I'd like the option to use the murder knife on Anders and Orsino in act 1. What exactly would change, if you can murder Orsino in Act1? Hawke's mother won't be murdered by an insane blood mage sponsored by Orsino for starters.
Several dangerous blood mages that Orsino is protecting will be delt with.
Orsino is clearly fully aware of all the crimes comitted by deranged blood mages in Kirkwall, and still he continous to either actively keep them a secret or even supporting them, he's evil through and through.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 17:33:27 GMT
What exactly would change, if you can murder Orsino in Act1? Hawke's mother won't be murdered by an insane blood mage sponsored by Orsino for starters. Several dangerous blood mages that Orsino is protecting will be delt with. Orsino is clearly fully aware of all the crimes comitted by deranged blood mages in Kirkwall, and still he continous to either actively keep them a secret or even supporting them, he's evil through and through.
Nothing would change. Orsino sent to Quentin some books. Without it Quentin still would kill the women for practice on them. The point is: Quentin was mad serial killer, wanted to "rebuild" and reanimate his wife, in the name of the eternal love. His tools no matter, what matter is his madness. Orsino's death wouldn't solve any problem in Kirkwall, in fact, he was who kept the mages alive inside the Circle. He was a good First Enchanter, the best in the circumstances, better than Irving ever was. He committed mistakes, but not he was who caused Hawke's mother's death. Meredith just as blameable for it, as Orsino, if not more, because meredith knew about the details of Ser Emeric's investigation, Orsino most likely not. |
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Post by patrickbateman on Mar 6, 2018 18:07:52 GMT
Hawke's mother won't be murdered by an insane blood mage sponsored by Orsino for starters. Several dangerous blood mages that Orsino is protecting will be delt with. Orsino is clearly fully aware of all the crimes comitted by deranged blood mages in Kirkwall, and still he continous to either actively keep them a secret or even supporting them, he's evil through and through.
Nothing would change. Orsino sent to Quentin some books. Without it Quentin still would kill the women for practice on them. The point is: Quentin was mad serial killer, wanted to "rebuild" and reanimate his wife, in the name of the eternal love. His tools no matter, what matter is his madness. Orsino's death wouldn't solve any problem in Kirkwall, in fact, he was who kept the mages alive inside the Circle. He was a good First Enchanter, the best in the circumstances, better than Irving ever was. He committed mistakes, but not he was who caused Hawke's mother's death. Meredith just as blameable for it, as Orsino, if not more, because meredith knew about the details of Ser Emeric's investigation, Orsino most likely not. Orsione kept him secret and safe knowing fully what Quentin were doing, supplying him with the needed knowledge for his necromancy. Had Orsiono been a decent and good man he would have reported Quentin to the templars and saved the lives of many innocents, but he's a spineless manipulating monster following the same flawed broken logic as Anders.
Blood mages ran amok in Kirkwall with Orsinos blessing. Sure many templars were rotten thugs, but the mages in the Kirkwall circle were corrupted by Orsino beyond redemption.
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Post by copper on Mar 6, 2018 18:17:59 GMT
Meredith gets a lot of the blame for the circle's issues, and rightfully so, but I wonder how different it would be if someone more capable was the First Enchanter. Because Orsino doesn't seem capable. In the game Orsino wants Hawke to go behind Meredith's back to help him with mage problems, as well as keep the whole thing a secret from her. If he was doing his job he would report these mages to her himself to gain her trust. The First Enchanter is supposed to work with the Knight-Commander to help keep the circle safe. In Ferelden's circle I think it's fair to say that Irving and Greagoir had a good working relationship, even with their apparent rivalry. They worked together to deal with suspect mages like Jowan, and Greagoir trusts Irving's word when he says the tower is safe. By keeping secrets from Meredith, all Orsino does is fuel her paranoia that mages can't be trusted.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 18:18:18 GMT
Nothing would change. Orsino sent to Quentin some books. Without it Quentin still would kill the women for practice on them. The point is: Quentin was mad serial killer, wanted to "rebuild" and reanimate his wife, in the name of the eternal love. His tools no matter, what matter is his madness. Orsino's death wouldn't solve any problem in Kirkwall, in fact, he was who kept the mages alive inside the Circle. He was a good First Enchanter, the best in the circumstances, better than Irving ever was. He committed mistakes, but not he was who caused Hawke's mother's death. Meredith just as blameable for it, as Orsino, if not more, because meredith knew about the details of Ser Emeric's investigation, Orsino most likely not. Orsione kept him secret and safe knowing fully what Quentin were doing, supplying him with the needed knowledge for his necromancy. Had Orsiono been a decent and good man he would have reported Quentin to the templars and saved the lives of many innocents, but he's a spineless manipulating monster following the same flawed broken logic as Anders.
Blood mages ran amok in Kirkwall with Orsinos blessing. Sure many templars were rotten thugs, but the mages in the Kirkwall circle were corrupted by Orsino beyond redemption.
If Hawke would kill him in the Act 1, that wouldn't prevent Leandra and the others death. Orsino would die with his secret... Orsino knew about an apostate, an old friend who studies forbidden knowledges. Why he would tell this? He didn't knew about Kirkwall's serial killer, not even about the mission women. Why do you think, Orsino knew every blood mage in Kirkwall (Merrill a blood mage as well...)? He only knew about Quentin. Not mentioned, Orsino doesn't belong any loyalty to the Circle, to the Templars, only to the Mages. |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 18:24:51 GMT
Meredith gets a lot of the blame for the circle's issues, and rightfully so, but I wonder how different it would be if someone more capable was the First Enchanter. Because Orsino doesn't seem capable. In the game Orsino wants Hawke to go behind Meredith's back to help him with mage problems, as well as keep the whole thing a secret from her. If he was doing his job he would report these mages to her himself to gain her trust. The First Enchanter is supposed to work with the Knight-Commander to help keep the circle safe. In Ferelden's circle I think it's fair to say that Irving and Greagoir had a good working relationship, even with their apparent rivalry. They worked together to deal with suspect mages like Jowan, and Greagoir trusts Irving's word when he says the tower is safe. By keeping secrets from Meredith, all Orsino does is fuel her paranoia that mages can't be trusted. Until the Circles are prisons, The Knight Commander is the natural enemy of the First Enchanter. Irving was a bad First Enchanter. He used Uldred and blood magic as a bait to the Apprentices, tempting them, to Tranquilizing the suspicious ones (Jowan for example) instead of keeping them safe. |
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Post by Lazarillo on Mar 6, 2018 18:31:00 GMT
Meredith gets a lot of the blame for the circle's issues, and rightfully so, but I wonder how different it would be if someone more capable was the First Enchanter. Obviously, Templars can only be Chaotic Evil alignment, and Mages can only be Lawful Good, so your argument is flawed from the onset by the fact that you assume that every terrible action in Thedas, ever isn't the fault of Chantry/Templar scrutiny. |
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Post by copper on Mar 6, 2018 18:32:58 GMT
Meredith gets a lot of the blame for the circle's issues, and rightfully so, but I wonder how different it would be if someone more capable was the First Enchanter. Because Orsino doesn't seem capable. In the game Orsino wants Hawke to go behind Meredith's back to help him with mage problems, as well as keep the whole thing a secret from her. If he was doing his job he would report these mages to her himself to gain her trust. The First Enchanter is supposed to work with the Knight-Commander to help keep the circle safe. In Ferelden's circle I think it's fair to say that Irving and Greagoir had a good working relationship, even with their apparent rivalry. They worked together to deal with suspect mages like Jowan, and Greagoir trusts Irving's word when he says the tower is safe. By keeping secrets from Meredith, all Orsino does is fuel her paranoia that mages can't be trusted. Until the Circles are prisons, The Knight Commander is the natural enemy of the First Enchanter. Irving was a bad First Enchanter. He used Uldred and blood magic as a bait to the Apprentices, tempting them, to Tranquilizing the suspicious ones (Jowan for example) instead of keeping them safe. From what I could tell Irving and Greagoir weren't aware that Uldred was the problem at that point though. All they knew was that Jowan was guilty of using blood magic. My guess is that after apprehending Jowan they would have tried to find out where he learned to use blood magic, and hopefully find Uldred. |
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Post by patrickbateman on Mar 6, 2018 18:37:49 GMT
Orsione kept him secret and safe knowing fully what Quentin were doing, supplying him with the needed knowledge for his necromancy. Had Orsiono been a decent and good man he would have reported Quentin to the templars and saved the lives of many innocents, but he's a spineless manipulating monster following the same flawed broken logic as Anders.
Blood mages ran amok in Kirkwall with Orsinos blessing. Sure many templars were rotten thugs, but the mages in the Kirkwall circle were corrupted by Orsino beyond redemption.
If Hawke would kill him in the Act 1, that wouldn't prevent Leandra and the others death. Orsino would die with his secret... Orsino knew about an apostate, an old friend who studies forbidden knowledges. Why he would tell this? He didn't knew about Kirkwall's serial killer, not even about the mission women. Why do you think, Orsino knew every blood mage in Kirkwall (Merrill a blood mage as well...)? He only knew about Quentin. Not mentioned, Orsino doesn't belong any loyalty to the Circle, to the Templars, only to the Mages. Becouse Bioware shows us over and over and over again the power corrupts, every single mage that get's a small taste of power craves more and they all turn bad in one way or another with a very few exceptions, it's proven time and again during the progression of the story that 99% of the mages can't be trusted as they all turn to blood magic in their lust for power and dominance.
The Circles were created for a reason, people simply can't be trusted with that kind of power.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 18:38:18 GMT
Until the Circles are prisons, The Knight Commander is the natural enemy of the First Enchanter. Irving was a bad First Enchanter. He used Uldred and blood magic as a bait to the Apprentices, tempting them, to Tranquilizing the suspicious ones (Jowan for example) instead of keeping them safe. From what I could tell Irving and Greagoir weren't aware that Uldred was the problem at that point though. All they knew was that Jowan was guilty of using blood magic. My guess is that after apprehending Jowan they would have tried to find out where he learned to use blood magic, and hopefully find Uldred. No. I didn't spoke about, he knew, Uldred's a blood mage, but he used him. I followed another apprentice through supposed secret maneuvers today, and exposed her tendency towards blood magic. The environment of the tower is such that certain modes of thought are encouraged, both for good and ill. The students think we toy with them. The truth is far more intricate and directed. Deviant traits must be exposed early, or the whole of the Circle suffers. Uldred has been very helpful in identifying the markers to look for. His skills at misdirection are admirable. I daresay that the apprentices would be shocked at his ability to manipulate them. I must organize a retreat such that the other enchanters can benefit from his skills. --Excerpt from the journal of First Enchanter Irving |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 18:39:36 GMT
If Hawke would kill him in the Act 1, that wouldn't prevent Leandra and the others death. Orsino would die with his secret... Orsino knew about an apostate, an old friend who studies forbidden knowledges. Why he would tell this? He didn't knew about Kirkwall's serial killer, not even about the mission women. Why do you think, Orsino knew every blood mage in Kirkwall (Merrill a blood mage as well...)? He only knew about Quentin. Not mentioned, Orsino doesn't belong any loyalty to the Circle, to the Templars, only to the Mages. Becouse Bioware shows us over and over and over again the power corrupts, every single mage that get's a small taste of power craves more and they all turn bad in one way or another with a very few exceptions, it's proven time and again during the progression of the story that 99% of the mages can't be trusted as they all turn to blood magic in their lust for power and dominance.
The Circles were created for a reason, people simply can't be trusted with that kind of power. The Circles failed in it: inhumane and even dangerous. |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 18:43:29 GMT
Meredith gets a lot of the blame for the circle's issues, and rightfully so, but I wonder how different it would be if someone more capable was the First Enchanter. Obviously, Templars can only be Chaotic Evil alignment, and Mages can only be Lawful Good, so your argument is flawed from the onset by the fact that you assume that every terrible action in Thedas, ever isn't the fault of Chantry/Templar scrutiny. "Lawful good" is an oximoron in Thedas... |
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Post by copper on Mar 6, 2018 18:53:40 GMT
From what I could tell Irving and Greagoir weren't aware that Uldred was the problem at that point though. All they knew was that Jowan was guilty of using blood magic. My guess is that after apprehending Jowan they would have tried to find out where he learned to use blood magic, and hopefully find Uldred. No. I didn't spoke about, he knew, Uldred's a blood mage, but he used him. I followed another apprentice through supposed secret maneuvers today, and exposed her tendency towards blood magic. The environment of the tower is such that certain modes of thought are encouraged, both for good and ill. The students think we toy with them. The truth is far more intricate and directed. Deviant traits must be exposed early, or the whole of the Circle suffers. Uldred has been very helpful in identifying the markers to look for. His skills at misdirection are admirable. I daresay that the apprentices would be shocked at his ability to manipulate them. I must organize a retreat such that the other enchanters can benefit from his skills. --Excerpt from the journal of First Enchanter Irving Oh that. I interpreted it as Uldred manipulating Irving, rather than Irving using Uldred to tempt young apprentices (that sounds dirtier than I mean it to  ). To me it looks like Uldred is sacrificing his less capable students like Jowan to Irving while his more capable ones that we see as abominations later go under the radar. This way he gets to seem like the model mage while he secretly creates his blood mage apprentices. |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 19:51:13 GMT
No. I didn't spoke about, he knew, Uldred's a blood mage, but he used him. I followed another apprentice through supposed secret maneuvers today, and exposed her tendency towards blood magic. The environment of the tower is such that certain modes of thought are encouraged, both for good and ill. The students think we toy with them. The truth is far more intricate and directed. Deviant traits must be exposed early, or the whole of the Circle suffers. Uldred has been very helpful in identifying the markers to look for. His skills at misdirection are admirable. I daresay that the apprentices would be shocked at his ability to manipulate them. I must organize a retreat such that the other enchanters can benefit from his skills. --Excerpt from the journal of First Enchanter Irving Oh that. I interpreted it as Uldred manipulating Irving, rather than Irving using Uldred to tempt young apprentices (that sounds dirtier than I mean it to  ). To me it looks like Uldred is sacrificing his less capable students like Jowan to Irving while his more capable ones that we see as abominations later go under the radar. This way he gets to seem like the model mage while he secretly creates his blood mage apprentices. Both are true. Uldred taught the Apprentices to use blood magic and sacrifices someones of them to keep his trustworthiness in the eyes of Irving, and Irving used him to search for the untrustworthy ones. I don't think, Irving was inherently malevolent, but not that good old man. I think Orsino was better First Enchanter. He wanted to protect his own, while Irving provoked them, or at least let Uldred to working on. On the other hand: he kept Anders alive... true, the one-year solitary confinement is a serious torture. And even he sent Karl to Kirkwall. Anyway: probably I just don't like, Greagoir wanted to kill my Surana and Amell... Irving and Greagoir's cooperation's not a good point in my eyes. |
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Post by davesin on Mar 6, 2018 20:27:05 GMT
Gameplay:
- all weapon talents for warriors, as in Origins;
- a new specialization for warriors. Templar is fine, but Reaver and Berserker seem to be too similar (thematicaly speaking, as some barbarian styles of fighting);
- more out of combat talents for rogues, like pickpocketing;
- out of combat talents in general;
- less... how to say it... "flashyness"? Sure, DA2 has its charm because it looks very cartoonish, but I expected the serious tone of the game will affect gameplay as well.
Story and characters:
- Hawke having an opportunity to be more ambitious or to make their own choices. At this point, they are just a glorified errand boy. "Screw this, I'm outta here" and planning to take over the city during Act 3 (yes, you will become a Viscount in Templar Path, but you don't know that when you're making the choice. It should be something you actually work for) should be valid options in game.
- more sauce into Mage Path in Last Straw. Templar Path is much more interesting.
- Meredith romance. For mage Hawke only, obviously.
Other features:
- as someone wrote, Kirkwall is just a glorified dungeon. There should be more features and things to do in it than killing stuff and running around. Minigames, NPCs to talk to, areas to explore...
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 20:31:59 GMT
Gameplay:
- all weapon talents for warriors, as in Origins;
- a new specialization for warriors. Templar is fine, but Reaver and Berserker seem to be too similar (thematicaly speaking, as some barbarian styles of fighting);
- more out of combat talents for rogues, like pickpocketing;
- out of combat talents in general;
- less... how to say it... "flashyness"? Sure, DA2 has its charm because it looks very cartoonish, but I expected the serious tone of the game will affect gameplay as well.
Story and characters:
- Hawke having an opportunity to be more ambitious or to make their own choices. At this point, they are just a glorified errand boy. "Screw this, I'm outta here" and planning to take over the city during Act 3 (yes, you will become a Viscount in Templar Path, but you don't know that when you're making the choice. It should be something you actually work for) should be valid options in game. - more sauce into Mage Path in Last Straw. Templar Path is much more interesting.- Meredith romance. For mage Hawke only, obviously.
Other features:
- as someone wrote, Kirkwall is just a glorified dungeon. There should be more features and things to do in it than killing stuff and running around. Minigames, NPCs to talk to, areas to explore... What's the difference? Meredith's story? Orsino? Cullen with the surrenders? |
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Post by davesin on Mar 6, 2018 21:20:50 GMT
What's the difference? Meredith's story? Orsino? Cullen with the surrenders? Cullen's dialogue, the way he defends the mages who surrendered, better build-up for Orsino's trick with flesh and blood, Hawke's cold stare when they're killing Orvester has more satisfaction, the dark atmosphere in general (you're not really sure what you're up against to. During Mage Path it's just... templars. Good thing Meredith has the most video-gamey boss fight ever), the irony of mage Hawke siding with templars, the way you're always questioned when to stop (surrenders and Bethany if she's in the Circle). And you get a freaking throne! Only for three years or so, but it still counts. In comparison, the only different thing you get in Mage Path is Orsino's speech. There are no additional decisions that would make you question your choice. NPC mages don't talk to you as much as templars. |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 21:39:38 GMT
What's the difference? Meredith's story? Orsino? Cullen with the surrenders? Cullen's dialogue, the way he defends the mages who surrendered, better build-up for Orsino's trick with flesh and blood, Hawke's cold stare when they're killing Orvester has more satisfaction, the dark atmosphere in general (you're not really sure what you're up against to. During Mage Path it's just... templars. Good thing Meredith has the most video-gamey boss fight ever), the irony of mage Hawke siding with templars, the way you're always questioned when to stop (surrenders and Bethany if she's in the Circle). And you get a freaking throne! Only for three years or so, but it still counts.
In comparison, the only different thing you get in Mage Path is Orsino's speech. There are no additional decisions that would make you question your choice. NPC mages don't talk to you as much as templars. Okay, I know these. I thought I missed something. Once I did it, the Viscount title was just as 30 pieces of silver, never more. (And the Templars, finally betrayed Hawke and exiled him/her – sorry, I love it!) And I saw on YouTube Circle-Bethany when Hawke supported the Templars, it was sad. I wanted to see: Bethany already grew, shows, what she really wants, but she was just a martyr. (Only whom I really like if Hawke siding with the Templars is Warden Carver. How angry is he! How disappointed... but yet, he supports his sister/brother.) The Mage end is beautiful, that proud, winner, glorious exile! That deep disdain on Hawke's face is priceless! (And this exile was Hawke's choice – while if siding with the Templars, the Templars exiled him/her later... as a fallen Viscount.) And Bethany is great! This is Hawke's little sister! Already know she's not a burden, and have a goal: to fight for her fellows. But you're right about it: the Templar side shadier, a Greek tragedy, while the Mage side is rather happy end. |
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Post by davesin on Mar 6, 2018 21:57:30 GMT
I get why someone likes it (especially if they are mage freedom supporters), but in terms of content, it could be better, IMO. The Mage end is beautiful, that proud, winner exile! That deep disdain on Hawke's face is priceless! (And this exile was Hawke's choice – while if siding with the Templars, the Templars exiled him/her later... as a fallen Viscount.) Which is something I don't really understand. If Templars in Kirkwall were using Red Lyrium and got addicted to it (which is an explanation given by Hawke) waaaaay before it became the thing among their Therinfall's buddies, why wasn't Cullen addicted as well? Why didn't he, Hawke and Aveline kill those crazy junkies? Where the hell did they get red lyrium in the first place?!? Were they with Corypheus during that time? It's not like Corypheus had any interest in killing Hawke after he was released. |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 22:04:16 GMT
I get why someone likes it (especially if they are mage freedom supporters), but in terms of content, it could be better, IMO. The Mage end is beautiful, that proud, winner exile! That deep disdain on Hawke's face is priceless! (And this exile was Hawke's choice – while if siding with the Templars, the Templars exiled him/her later... as a fallen Viscount.) Which is something I don't really understand. If Templars in Kirkwall were using Red Lyrium and got addicted to it (which is an explanation given by Hawke) waaaaay before it became the thing among their Therinfall's buddies, why wasn't Cullen addicted as well? Why didn't he, Hawke and Aveline kill those crazy junkies? Where the hell did they get red lyrium in the first place?!? Were they with Corypheus during that time? It's not like Corypheus had any interest in killing Hawke after he was released. I agree, probably the Templar side nuanced. (Just as in the Inquisition, many people said, the CotJ is better...) Probably Cullen left before... but why the Kirkwall Templars started to use the red lyrium? They saw, what happened with Meredith. They're really that dumbs, who let Anders finish his work, even if Hawke betrays him... so, perhaps it nuanced, but shows the Templars idiots. And they just as easily fall into temptation as the mages. And with red lyrium, they're just as dangerous as the mages. |
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Post by davesin on Mar 6, 2018 22:16:39 GMT
I agree, probably the Templar side nuanced. (Just as in the Inquisition, many people said, the CotJ is better...) Probably Cullen left before... but why the Kirkwall Templars started to use the red lyrium? They saw, what happened with Meredith. They're really that dumbs, who let Anders finish his work, even if Hawke betrays him... so, perhaps it nuanced, but shows the Templars idiots. And they just as easily fall into temptation as the mages. And with red lyrium, they're just as dangerous as the mages. That's the strangest part, he didn't. He was still in charge when he was recruited by Cassandra. And by that time Hawke was already gone. That stuff needs some additional info or little re-writing. Though I admit it shows how templars were desperate about lyrium and it gives Hawke more reason to investigate red lyrium during Inquisition. |
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Post by Dukemon on Mar 6, 2018 22:31:29 GMT
- when mage hawke has a specialization he should be able to interact with the blood phials in the dePuie mansion. It is one of few things in the finished game that could be better to make Hawke more an character of this world. but shows the Templars idiots. I agree. In general I would not change the whole game. The death of Leandra should be a valuable event, but meredith is something like the arch deamon or the mother from Awakening. But simple things like Orsinos transformation on the mage side. And than I would like to add a warrior companion who is definitly pro mage and gives general approval by choices for mages. Yes, Aveline differentiates the topic better, but she always saying something like the circle would know a solution, if there could be one. This way I like the writting of the rogues more, because they have different views in the conflicts. Sent Feynriel to Dalish, Varric and Isabela approves. Well, Sebastian is not there at this time but I guess he would disapproves. All warriors give rivalry. In Act 2 let Feynriel go to Tevinter Sebastian gives disapprove, the other rouges not. All warriors give disapproves. if I remember correctly. That is lame. |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2018 22:35:14 GMT
I agree, probably the Templar side nuanced. (Just as in the Inquisition, many people said, the CotJ is better...) Probably Cullen left before... but why the Kirkwall Templars started to use the red lyrium? They saw, what happened with Meredith. They're really that dumbs, who let Anders finish his work, even if Hawke betrays him... so, perhaps it nuanced, but shows the Templars idiots. And they just as easily fall into temptation as the mages. And with red lyrium, they're just as dangerous as the mages. That's the strangest part, he didn't. He was still in charge when he was recruited by Cassandra. And by that time Hawke was already gone. That stuff needs some additional info or little re-writing. Though I admit it shows how templars were desperate about lyrium and it gives Hawke more reason to investigate red lyrium during Inquisition. One thing is imaginable: the first ones just started to use the red lyrium, and they just started to be paranoid. But yes, then why Cullen didn't stop it? Why Cullen exiled Hawke? He was the Knight Commander... or he was a terrible Knight Commander, nobody followed him? |
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). To me it looks like Uldred is sacrificing his less capable students like Jowan to Irving while his more capable ones that we see as abominations later go under the radar. This way he gets to seem like the model mage while he secretly creates his blood mage apprentices.
). To me it looks like Uldred is sacrificing his less capable students like Jowan to Irving while his more capable ones that we see as abominations later go under the radar. This way he gets to seem like the model mage while he secretly creates his blood mage apprentices.
