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Post by GalentheYounger on Oct 4, 2016 16:10:33 GMT
I'm going in blind to DAII and I always like to preselect my romance. (Just me). I'm wondering which romance to do with my Femwarrior Hawke in my first playthrough.
I loved the Cullen, alistair and Kaidan romances- ranked here: Kaidan>Cullen>Alastair (for me) and would like a similar pleasant experience.
Also, what's the difference between the "rivalmance" and "friendmance" romances I've heard people talk about?
Thanks!
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Post by Catilina on Oct 4, 2016 16:23:20 GMT
I'm going in blind to DAII and I always like to preselect my romance. (Just me). I'm wondering which romance to do with my Femwarrior Hawke in my first playthrough. I loved the Cullen, alistair and Kaidan romances- ranked here: Kaidan>Cullen>Alastair (for me) and would like a similar pleasant experience. Also, what's the difference between the "rivalmance" and "friendmance" romances I've heard people talk about? Thanks! I think: rival- or friendmance depend on your character' temper as pro-mage Hawke with Fenris (as I see the rival is more creditable), pro-templar Hawke the friendship is easy and creditable way. Your character sympathy toward mages or templars more important with Anders. Fenris rivalry and friendship also depend on Hawke's relation with mages, but you can build full friendship romance with a radical pro-mage Hawke between him, and he will not damaged because you rivalmance him, because his purpose the his (and slaves') freedom, he don't care too much the mage issues. Anders' rivalmance is mostly sad. (I think the happy end possible with Anders rivalmance, but only just if Hawke at the end sided with mages. In other case the rivalry with Justice will kill him slowly: he will lost himself, as I see, but maybe this is just my opinion.)
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Post by GalentheYounger on Oct 4, 2016 16:35:18 GMT
I'm going in blind to DAII and I always like to preselect my romance. (Just me). I'm wondering which romance to do with my Femwarrior Hawke in my first playthrough. I loved the Cullen, alistair and Kaidan romances- ranked here: Kaidan>Cullen>Alastair (for me) and would like a similar pleasant experience. Also, what's the difference between the "rivalmance" and "friendmance" romances I've heard people talk about? Thanks! I think: rival- or friendmance depend on your character' temper as pro-mage Hawke with Fenris (as I see the rival is more creditable), pro-templar Hawke the friendship is easy and creditable way. Your character sympathy toward mages or templars more important with Anders. Fenris rivalry and friendship also depend on Hawke's relation with mages, but you can build full friendship romance with a radical pro-mage Hawke between him, and he will not damaged because you rivalmance him, because his purpose the his (and slaves') freedom, he don't care too much the mage issues. Anders' rivalmance is mostly sad. (I think the happy end possible with Anders rivalmance, but only just if Hawke at the end sided with mages. In other case the rivalry with Justice will kill him slowly: he will lost himself, as I see, but maybe this is just my opinion.) Can you explain WHAT a rivalmance / friendmance and the difference? (Sorry I'm on mobile so I have to use caps)
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Post by Catilina on Oct 4, 2016 16:59:13 GMT
I think: rival- or friendmance depend on your character' temper as pro-mage Hawke with Fenris (as I see the rival is more creditable), pro-templar Hawke the friendship is easy and creditable way. Your character sympathy toward mages or templars more important with Anders. Fenris rivalry and friendship also depend on Hawke's relation with mages, but you can build full friendship romance with a radical pro-mage Hawke between him, and he will not damaged because you rivalmance him, because his purpose the his (and slaves') freedom, he don't care too much the mage issues. Anders' rivalmance is mostly sad. (I think the happy end possible with Anders rivalmance, but only just if Hawke at the end sided with mages. In other case the rivalry with Justice will kill him slowly: he will lost himself, as I see, but maybe this is just my opinion.) Can you explain WHAT a rivalmance / friendmance and the difference? (Sorry I'm on mobile so I have to use caps) Rivalry: I do not accept your opinion, but I don't necessarily hate you for it. Rivalry is not hatred here: if you care about the companion, no matter, you accept his/her opinion, or arguing with him/her, only matter, that as far as possible, you need to do consistently. For example: Hawke don't need to accept Fenris' fear from the mages/magic, s/he can argue with him. He will respect Hawke, if Hawke have enough rivalry rating, and he still love Hawke. Anders more complicated, he (and Justice) too much care about mage freedom, this is the most important in his life, and he can't lose Justice, until death, but he can to lose himself. This rival also not necessarily hatred, but much more cruel and sad.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 4, 2016 17:10:03 GMT
FENRIS. DO FENRIS. *ahem* Rivalmance - romance with the character while having a high rivalry score. It means you disagree on some major things, and in the case of Fenris, he will be more in Hawke's face after certain missions, but he is still just as smitten  My 2H femHawke had a rivalmance due to being VERY vocally pro-mage, even though she supported slaves against their slavers and Fenris likes that. Friendmancing - romance with a high friendship score, meaning you agree on major issues. My current female rogue has a friendmance with Fenris despite being pro-mage, because she is more careful about what she says and is less willing to piss off Templars (for in-universe reasons, to keep their attention off Bethany). The friendmance with Fenris is a bit less dramatic than the rivalmance, so far. I am still in act 2, though.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 4, 2016 17:33:50 GMT
So: no matter, your Hawke is mage, rogue or warrior, but may important, than s/he is pro-mage or pro-templar. I not voted: I dont know, which romance is better for the first playthrough – mine was Anders, with pro mage male Hawke, and Anders' romance the best for the main story-line.
Fenris romance is hot, and so much worth it, but watch it: maybe bugged. The whole romance can failed, if Hawke going to bed with other(s). Many experience shows, no matter that Hawke broke the romance with the other character or not!
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Oct 4, 2016 18:02:43 GMT
Yeah, if you decide to pursue Fenris DO NOT FLIRT WITH ANYONE ELSE! That is one well known bug...
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Post by phoray on Oct 4, 2016 19:03:25 GMT
My first play through and second, I went with Anders. I feel like they developed his romance more than the others in that he refers to it over time. The other romances feel more...sudden and out of nowhere. I am currently a Fenris girl but Anders will always be special. Friend means you and that person totally get along and match up on the major issues that are important to them. Rivalry means you are NOT matching up on the major issues at all. In spite of that, they respect your strong character and your willingness in other ways. It's "I respect you, but we agree to disagree on a lot." Either way, get 80 points either direction by end of Act 2 for Isabella. And the rest of them by the end of Act 3. I will go one by one on Romances. Anders is super pro mage freedom <- if you are like this, then he will be super easy to have a Friend Romance with because nearly the entire game is about Mages VS Templars. Rival romancing him can feel like you two are not on the same page on a lot of issues and somehow he falls for you anyway<- and he comments on your lack of seeing eye to eye frequently and liking you anyway against his best judgement. Rivaling Anders in a romance is very angsty. I wouldn't recommend rival romancing him a first play through. Anders is lot of drama in the game, which can make for a ROLLER COASTER OF A RIDE THE FIRST PLAY THROUGH. Fenris is anti mage freedom which makes him a bit Pro Templar. If you're doing something that would make Anders happy, Fenris will be unhappy 9/10. He is also super anti slavery. Fenris romance is very monogamous in that you can't sex anyone else up before OR AFTER him, and due to some bug, sometimes even flirting with others will make the romance route become un doable. So, he's a bit of a commitment, especially when he does a certain thing that would make most people very hurt (he apologizes very sincerely later), but due to his voice acting and how he literally blossoms under Hawke's love... I don't know, it's just so touching. I want to hug and love Fenris long time. I know your poll doesn't mention Isabella and Merril. Is it because you have no interest in female romances? What about Sebastian? (although meh on him) Anyway, so it boils down to what kind of Hawke you're going to be. Pro Mage freedom mage yourself? Want someone who thinks your awesome sauce from the start of the game, and will absolutely adore you? And love a roller coaster ride? Anders! Think mages should stay in the circle, think slavers should all die, and aren't going to be mage class? Prefer someone who's a bit more restrained in their affection but once he commits, he'll never falter? Fenris! For a first play through though, can't beat the roller coaster ride of not being spoiled on the big events of the game. So, I voted Anders.
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Post by Beregond5 on Oct 4, 2016 19:31:06 GMT
As others said, Friendship and Rivalry isn't like the Paragon/Renegade system. Basically, it's trying to simulate a realistic relationship that you can have with your group. You will agree with some people and, through some actions and responses, gain their friendship, but the same action can gain rivalry from some other people, which basically means a 'we agree to disagree' approach and keeping things professional. The bonus skills your companions get from their Rivalry or Friendship with your Hawke will vary as well. Whatever you do, just make sure that when you start each relationship on a certain path, stick to it and try to keep gaining points to the same direction till you max out. As for romance: first of all, note that you can romance them as a male and a female Hawke, and even that will vary the romance in some scenes here and there. As to who you should romance... for me that's Sophie's Choice, they're both passionate romances, yet they play out quite differently. Speaking from personal experience in the Friendmance (the only kind I played with those two), Anders isn't afraid to express how he feels, even more so if you approve of his cause, whereas Fenris is more hesitant at first (especially if your Hawke's a mage), and then gains confidence. Different, yet both rewarding and gratifying. If you do decide to romance Fenris, however, take TheyCallMeBunny's advice and *don't* flirt with anyone else.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 4, 2016 21:23:00 GMT
Thirding (fourthing?) the caution about the Fenris bug. If you play on PC you can fix it with debugging commands, but if you're on console, I think you're stuck. It happened to me the first time because Hawke flirted with Isabela, so I had to set Fenris's romance flag when I realized he was bugged.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 22:56:52 GMT
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Post by Catilina on Oct 5, 2016 1:54:17 GMT
This is a hard choice to make. I'd do one then immediately start the other. Both are so good. For Fenris choosing pro-mage and friendship can be a bit tricky but worth it. Can you post what you decided? I found friendship with Fenris a bit easier, than rivalry even with pro-mage, for the rivalry path I needed more tactic. But as a pro-mage a friendship path rather more "soft rivalry", because Fenris may more gentle, but still dont understand my Hawke's purpose, and at the end still blames magic... it was a bit uncomfortable. It worth, yes, Fenris love better Hawke's bad jokes, and have more nice scenes, while the rivalry was furious, and Fenris more cruel, but I feel the love behind his anger. So: the rivalry path also sweet.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 5, 2016 2:04:40 GMT
Forget those two. Go with Isabela
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Post by Sah291 on Oct 5, 2016 2:08:05 GMT
Based on the past romances you liked, I'm going to say Fenris is more likely to be your type.  Rivalry vs. Friendship is just how much your views line up with your companions. In DA2 instead of just earning friendship when you agreed, or did something they liked, you could also earn rivalry when you disagreed. But it's not really a love/hate meter though, because earning rivalry still earns their respect if you get high enough points. What you don't want is to get stuck in the middle, so try to pick one or the other path.
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Post by melbella on Oct 5, 2016 2:12:42 GMT
I prefer Fenris romance but for a first game, not knowing anything about anything, if I had it to do over again, I would pick Anders for the first time through. Things happen in the game that made it very difficult for me to later on romance Anders. Both options have difficulties to overcome in the relationship. I'll leave it at that to avoid spoilers. Whichever one you pick, enjoy!
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Post by Catilina on Oct 5, 2016 3:10:54 GMT
I found friendship with Fenris a bit easier, than rivalry even with pro-mage, for the rivalry path I needed more tactic. But as a pro-mage a friendship path rather more "soft rivalry", because Fenris may more gentle, but still dont understand my Hawke's purpose, and at the end still blames magic... it was a bit uncomfortable. It worth, yes, Fenris love better Hawke's bad jokes, and have more nice scenes, while the rivalry was furious, and Fenris more cruel, but I feel the love behind his anger. So: the rivalry path also sweet. That's a good description "soft rivalry". Its fits perfectly. He comes to respect you and your decsions but still hold his own. And with friendship you can talk to him more, I like that. I found pro mage and friendship a bit harder to work since I like to take him on every quest and had to choose which quests to not take him on which was sad.
I love this description of yours- its beautiful:"It worth, yes, Fenris love better Hawke's bad jokes, and have more nice scenes, while the rivalry was furious, and Fenris more cruel, but I feel the love behind his anger. So: the rivalry path also sweet" My last playtrough was a try/challenge: I took Fenris (mostly) everywhere, included Anders' quests and mage/templar quest (except Act1 – I like Carver too, and sometime needed other warrior), no lies, no compromise in the mage issues, even at Gallows in first time, and I don't watched wiki (I only used my memory) for only minimal tactic with quest order. So: before Danarius fight I have 100% friendship with him. In rivalry I used much more tactic the quest order, and at Danarius I was only on ~85% rivalry.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 5, 2016 19:01:17 GMT
At first, my wife wanted to romance Fenris but i eventually talked her out of it to romance Anders and afterwards she was thanking me for changing her mind. Besides, lets be honest, Anders is better looking.
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Post by legbamel on Oct 5, 2016 23:14:32 GMT
For story reasons, if none other, romance Anders first.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 5, 2016 23:51:33 GMT
Despite my love for Fenris, I actually agree with the suggestion to romance Anders first for story reasons. It's hard to say more without being spoilery. At first, my wife wanted to romance Fenris but i eventually talked her out of it to romance Anders and afterwards she was thanking me for changing her mind. Besides, lets be honest, Anders is better looking.LIES AND FALSEHOODS. Fenris is much better looking, though they gave him a weird face texture, which there are plenty of mods to fix. Fenris also isn't *spoiler spoiler spoiler curse word spoiler* like Anders is  I have Anders modded, too, but he doesn't appeal to me either way in looks.
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Post by melbella on Oct 6, 2016 0:35:19 GMT
At first, my wife wanted to romance Fenris but i eventually talked her out of it to romance Anders and afterwards she was thanking me for changing her mind. Besides, lets be honest, Anders is better looking.
No, no....he really isn't. I do wish he looked more like Awakening Anders though. They really messed up his chin and jawline.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 6, 2016 1:04:17 GMT
At first, my wife wanted to romance Fenris but i eventually talked her out of it to romance Anders and afterwards she was thanking me for changing her mind. Besides, lets be honest, Anders is better looking.
No, no....he really isn't. I do wish he looked more like Awakening Anders though. They really messed up his chin and jawline.
Well, my wife and i will just have to disagree with you then.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 6, 2016 1:09:11 GMT
Despite my love for Fenris, I actually agree with the suggestion to romance Anders first for story reasons. It's hard to say more without being spoilery. At first, my wife wanted to romance Fenris but i eventually talked her out of it to romance Anders and afterwards she was thanking me for changing her mind. Besides, lets be honest, Anders is better looking.LIES AND FALSEHOODS. Fenris is much better looking, though they gave him a weird face texture, which there are plenty of mods to fix. Fenris also isn't *spoiler spoiler spoiler curse word spoiler* like Anders is  I have Anders modded, too, but he doesn't appeal to me either way in looks. Neither my wife or i use mods and i personally strongly dislike mods. My wife just thinks Anders is adorable and rugged in general. Only one who might rival Anders in looks for her is Sebastian. Not sure what you're referring to in regards to the spoilers.
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Post by melbella on Oct 6, 2016 1:37:07 GMT
The OP hasn't played DA2 yet so we're trying to not say anything about either Anders or Fenris that would spoil what happens.
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Post by phoray on Oct 6, 2016 2:04:36 GMT
At first, my wife wanted to romance Fenris but i eventually talked her out of it to romance Anders and afterwards she was thanking me for changing her mind. Besides, lets be honest, Anders is better looking.
No, no....he really isn't. I do wish he looked more like Awakening Anders though. They really messed up his chin and jawline.
I just don't know why they gave him and Sebastian the hair cut that literally makes them look like they have a receding hair line. Or they drew the foreheads too big? I don't know. At least Fenris isn't balding.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 6, 2016 2:07:19 GMT
Despite my love for Fenris, I actually agree with the suggestion to romance Anders first for story reasons. It's hard to say more without being spoilery. LIES AND FALSEHOODS. Fenris is much better looking, though they gave him a weird face texture, which there are plenty of mods to fix. Fenris also isn't *spoiler spoiler spoiler curse word spoiler* like Anders is  I have Anders modded, too, but he doesn't appeal to me either way in looks. Neither my wife or i use mods and i personally strongly dislike mods. My wife just thinks Anders is adorable and rugged in general. Only one who might rival Anders in looks for her is Sebastian. Not sure what you're referring to in regards to the spoilers. Sebastian is quite adorable, true. Why don't you like mods? As for the spoilers...um, really? melbella answered already, though I suppose I can explain in greater detail in a spoiler tag, if you want. It was mostly a tongue-in-cheek response, though, about why Anders is inferior
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