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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2018 8:00:46 GMT
EA is never going to push season passes regardless. They make way more money on BioWare points. Hmm...scratch that. I'm now seeing extra content for sale with a price rather than how many BioWare points it cost. Maybe they are getting smarter since it was annoying to have to try to balance out the right amount of points purchased to get what you want. Could have driven people away. No, it's confusing. Points are still available but maybe no longer necessary.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 19, 2018 11:57:24 GMT
I disagree, I think with BioWare is a lose-lose scenario with Season Passes for they would get raked over the coals talking about what they are planning on doing with DLC because it would be then deemed "content cut for DLC" because they had an idea out there where they wanted to go with the DLC. What not having one gives BioWare is room to do different things if they want instead of making content to fill out content. If they really wanted to do a Season Pass they could have just as easily done them in the past, but they haven't. True they never had a season pass, but they were pushing some DLC before or at launch usually tied into the super amazing deluxe edition The lack of any of that leads me to believe they really had nothing planned. If something went great they'd work on it, but I don't get the impression they were expecting it to do well so really didn't bother planning out any DLC past some basic hey we should maybe do the quarian thing. The Day 1 DLC stopped with Inquisition as well. A lot of people back then took it as EA finally caved to what they were saying about how bad Day 1 DLC was. BioWare DLC has never felt that planned out to me, its about "this could be cool" more then anything else. They might have one they are working on, but that is about it. To me they were planning on doing something, for they kept the majority of staff until about a month after release and if they didn't have any future work for them I would have thought they would have gone long before that. I would even say they might have had the groundwork for something already, but shifted focus to fixing the problems unlike what WBIE did with Arkham Origins when they focused on making DLC instead of fixing the game.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 19, 2018 12:02:24 GMT
EA is never going to push season passes regardless. They make way more money on BioWare points. Hmm...scratch that. I'm now seeing extra content for sale with a price rather than how many BioWare points it cost. Maybe they are getting smarter since it was annoying to have to try to balance out the right amount of points purchased to get what you want. Could have driven people away. No, it's confusing. Points are still available but maybe no longer necessary. You still need points for the older BioWare games ending with Mass Effect 3, I guess it was cheaper for EA to leave it in since I doubt people are buying the DLC for those older games now. Starting with Dragon Age: Inquisition they finally joined the current climate and went straight to cash for their digital content, even with Mass Effect: Andromeda if you wanted to upgrade to the "Deluxe" edition it was purely for cash instead of for points.
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Post by cypherj on Mar 19, 2018 13:44:52 GMT
Aside from the Day 1 DLC they did on a few games, I don't think Bioware ever has specific DLC planned. The extended cut and Leviathan were in direct response to endings and people wanting more information about the reapers. The Citadel was in direct response to the endings and people wanting some kind of sendoff with their crew that they didn't get.
I don't think Bioware had a lot of specific DLC planned, but I think they did have the Quarian Ark DLC planned. I believe that's why they had to push the book's release date back, to add in things that would have been covered in the DLC.
But I still think that the notion that EA, before the game was even released, said, that no matter what happens with this game we're not going to release any DLC is ridiculous. No business is going to make a decision like that without seeing data first. They wouldn't have done the surveys again asking how likely would you be to recommend the game to a friend of family member, re-released the demo, had the Nvidia giveaways, etc if that were the case. They tried to re-brand it after the patches, but after looking over the data they made a business decision. I'm sure they can see things like how many people finished the game, how many finished more than once, when was the last time people played it. Maybe even how many people still have it installed period.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2018 16:50:03 GMT
EA is never going to push season passes regardless. They make way more money on BioWare points. Hmm...scratch that. I'm now seeing extra content for sale with a price rather than how many BioWare points it cost. Maybe they are getting smarter since it was annoying to have to try to balance out the right amount of points purchased to get what you want. Could have driven people away. No, it's confusing. Points are still available but maybe no longer necessary. You still need points for the older BioWare games ending with Mass Effect 3, I guess it was cheaper for EA to leave it in since I doubt people are buying the DLC for those older games now. Starting with Dragon Age: Inquisition they finally joined the current climate and went straight to cash for their digital content, even with Mass Effect: Andromeda if you wanted to upgrade to the "Deluxe" edition it was purely for cash instead of for points. That's odd, because there are Mass Effect: Andromeda points available in even greater amounts than were ever available for the MET.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 19, 2018 17:06:12 GMT
Most underrated or most overhated ? This. I enjoyed the game. It was definitely overly criticized and overly hated. Still, it had and still has a lot of issues. I wish they hadn't released an unfinished game. Even if its iffy story and characters remained iffy, it could've received its due praise for its great gameplay and other strengths. As it is, I guess it's not hard for it to be the "most underrated" since it's often rated as "hot garbage". It's certainly better than many allow. Still, it's exactly what I thought it was last year: a solid but buggy game that needed much more work. Nice to see you projectpatdc. It's been a while.
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Post by kenshen19 on Mar 19, 2018 20:00:17 GMT
To each their own I guess, I still think it was a major letdown and certainly not unrated. I won't go as far to say it was a steaming pile of trash although I do see where some would get that from.
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Post by abedsbrother on Mar 19, 2018 21:24:48 GMT
Disappointed that story & some characters are ripped from the OT, but not a bad game by itself.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Mar 19, 2018 21:42:05 GMT
I mean, the game wasn't the worst thing ever. Like, it wasn't some god awful abomination from the depths of Steam. But I can't say it was good. Just...
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 19, 2018 22:55:15 GMT
You still need points for the older BioWare games ending with Mass Effect 3, I guess it was cheaper for EA to leave it in since I doubt people are buying the DLC for those older games now. Starting with Dragon Age: Inquisition they finally joined the current climate and went straight to cash for their digital content, even with Mass Effect: Andromeda if you wanted to upgrade to the "Deluxe" edition it was purely for cash instead of for points. That's odd, because there are Mass Effect: Andromeda points available in even greater amounts than were ever available for the MET. The way you worded your first post pointed me in a different direction you were saying by using BioWare Points which is used to by DLC for the older games. Andromeda Points are used for microtransactions in the MP which isn't the first thing I think of for I never bought any, but I was frustrated by having to use BioWare Points to buy single player DLC until it ended with Mass Effect 3. What it looks like is to buy content in the multiplayer part of the game you use Andromeda Points, but for DLC and content purchased outside the game you use cash. So having a season pass wouldn't impact those point sales because you don't use Andromeda Points to buy things like the upgrade to the normal edition to the deluxe edition. Hopefully that explains what I was thinking.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2018 4:21:13 GMT
That's odd, because there are Mass Effect: Andromeda points available in even greater amounts than were ever available for the MET. The way you worded your first post pointed me in a different direction you were saying by using BioWare Points which is used to by DLC for the older games. Andromeda Points are used for microtransactions in the MP which isn't the first thing I think of for I never bought any, but I was frustrated by having to use BioWare Points to buy single player DLC until it ended with Mass Effect 3. What it looks like is to buy content in the multiplayer part of the game you use Andromeda Points, but for DLC and content purchased outside the game you use cash. So having a season pass wouldn't impact those point sales because you don't use Andromeda Points to buy things like the upgrade to the normal edition to the deluxe edition. Hopefully that explains what I was thinking. I hadn't understood any of that. Didn't look closely at what the points were for in MEA.
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 20, 2018 5:28:59 GMT
Most underrated or most overhated ? This. I enjoyed the game. It was definitely overly criticized and overly hated. Still, it had and still has a lot of issues. I wish they hadn't released an unfinished game. Even if its iffy story and characters remained iffy, it could've received its due praise for its great gameplay and other strengths. As it is, I guess it's not hard for it to be the "most underrated" since it's often rated as "hot garbage". It's certainly better than many allow. Still, it's exactly what I thought it was last year: a solid but buggy game that needed much more work. Nice to see you projectpatdc. It's been a while. What's up! I've been busy with work and living at the beach. Traded my gaming hours for the exercising, kiteboarding, boozing, and chasing after beautiful women, but such is life. Should be on PS4 intermittently if you ever want to chat. I think after reading all the responses that my love for sci space adventures makes me a little biased. And that is fine. There are parts of the game where I'm in awe as if I am playing in a universe by Ridley Scott (actually just ran into Danny McBride [Alien Covenant] this weekend during St Pattys), but then some of the dialogue does seem more cringeworthy. I thought most of the old games had a decent amount of cringeworthy dialogue so it seemed to fit well. The point of my original post was that I enjoyed the game a lot more than the reviews and negative outcries portrayed. Ultimately I wish had a sequel.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 20, 2018 14:47:08 GMT
The way you worded your first post pointed me in a different direction you were saying by using BioWare Points which is used to by DLC for the older games. Andromeda Points are used for microtransactions in the MP which isn't the first thing I think of for I never bought any, but I was frustrated by having to use BioWare Points to buy single player DLC until it ended with Mass Effect 3. What it looks like is to buy content in the multiplayer part of the game you use Andromeda Points, but for DLC and content purchased outside the game you use cash. So having a season pass wouldn't impact those point sales because you don't use Andromeda Points to buy things like the upgrade to the normal edition to the deluxe edition. Hopefully that explains what I was thinking. I hadn't understood any of that. Didn't look closely at what the points were for in MEA. Andromeda points are only used for multiplayer microtransactions when buying the lootcrates. At least here in Canada all the other DLC you can buy you pay directly with your credit card (upgrading to the Deluxe Edition of the game and four multiplayer starter packs). A few years ago the single player DLC required BioWare points, but starting with Dragon Age: Inquisition they no longer used that point system for purchases outside the game.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2018 17:32:56 GMT
I hadn't understood any of that. Didn't look closely at what the points were for in MEA. Andromeda points are only used for multiplayer microtransactions when buying the lootcrates. At least here in Canada all the other DLC you can buy you pay directly with your credit card (upgrading to the Deluxe Edition of the game and four multiplayer starter packs). A few years ago the single player DLC required BioWare points, but starting with Dragon Age: Inquisition they no longer used that point system for purchases outside the game. That had to have started later in the US. I only started playing Mass Effect two years ago. I had to purchase all my DLC with BioWare points. ME1 and ME2 were available on Steam but it was necessary to install and use Origin in order to get the DLC for them.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 20, 2018 17:53:29 GMT
Amen bioware brother. Posts like this make me feel i am not alone in liking andromeda. Screw the blind haters, screw EA and Screw bioware for abandoning their games. where is the support for Inquisition for ps4pro and xbox onex? where is andromeda support for xboxone1x?
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 20, 2018 17:55:52 GMT
This. I enjoyed the game. It was definitely overly criticized and overly hated. Still, it had and still has a lot of issues. I wish they hadn't released an unfinished game. Even if its iffy story and characters remained iffy, it could've received its due praise for its great gameplay and other strengths. As it is, I guess it's not hard for it to be the "most underrated" since it's often rated as "hot garbage". It's certainly better than many allow. Still, it's exactly what I thought it was last year: a solid but buggy game that needed much more work. Nice to see you projectpatdc . It's been a while. What's up! I've been busy with work and living at the beach. Traded my gaming hours for the exercising, kiteboarding, boozing, and chasing after beautiful women, but such is life. Should be on PS4 intermittently if you ever want to chat. I think after reading all the responses that my love for sci space adventures makes me a little biased. And that is fine. There are parts of the game where I'm in awe as if I am playing in a universe by Ridley Scott (actually just ran into Danny McBride [Alien Covenant] this weekend during St Pattys), but then some of the dialogue does seem more cringeworthy. I thought most of the old games had a decent amount of cringeworthy dialogue so it seemed to fit well. The point of my original post was that I enjoyed the game a lot more than the reviews and negative outcries portrayed. Ultimately I wish had a sequel. I’m glad things are going well! I can agree with that assessment. It is a fun, beautiful game with some cringeworthy moments. It’s still ME, despite the shift in setting and tone. (The tone can vary from game to game, anyway.) I absolutely would like a sequel, to tie up all the great threads mixed among those cringeworthy moments. I think ME works best in and belongs in the Milky Way, but Andromeda needs a sequel. I’m not holding my breath. If we see ME again, I suspect it will be via some “reboot” project— a reimagining that keeps the great stuff, tunes small things and gets back to the thematic roots presented in the first game.
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Post by Raga on Mar 20, 2018 19:14:30 GMT
It was underrated. And it was dogpiled and got a lot more flak than it deserved. But it also came out the same year as Breath of the Wild, Persona 5, Nier: Automata, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Divinity Original Sin II, and a bunch of others. That was frankly part of its problem. Last year was a crazy stupid awesome good year. One of the best in a long time. It wasn't even a like top 5 game of last year.
It also came out after Witcher 3 which has frankly permanently raised the bar for open world games and action RPGs and Bioware hasn't really messed with their core formula since like 2009 other than adding some "eh" open world elements.
A mostly mid-tier quality Bioware game with mediocre open world and severe polish issues just wasn't going to cut it. When Bioware pulls out their A game, they pull it out and I hold them up against anybody, but a B- contender just wasn't going to get that much acclaim unless it was in a year full of duds, and it wasn't.
They need to double down on what they are the best in the industry at (*cough* *cough* characters *cough* *cough*) and actually really pull out the innovation and polish on the next game. Same old formula + a bit of watered-down Skyrim just won't cut it anymore.
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Post by Vall on Mar 20, 2018 19:34:44 GMT
You still need points for the older BioWare games Actually, you don't need them anymore. EA recently released DLC bundles for all Bioware games that used points, so now you can get all the DLC for any Bio game for about...25-30 eur it was? Something like that.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2018 19:43:34 GMT
You still need points for the older BioWare games Actually, you don't need them anymore. EA recently released DLC bundles for all Bioware games that used points, so now you can get all the DLC for any Bio game for about...25-30 eur it was? Something like that. Yes, I noticed that (since the option is there for me to "buy DLC as gifts"). That's part of why it's confusing that BioWare points are still available.
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Post by warden on Mar 20, 2018 19:52:07 GMT
You still need points for the older BioWare games Actually, you don't need them anymore. EA recently released DLC bundles for all Bioware games that used points, so now you can get all the DLC for any Bio game for about...25-30 eur it was? Something like that. yes 25 for the ME2 DLC bundle and 30 for the ME3 DLC bundle, pretty fucking expensive.
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Post by Vall on Mar 20, 2018 20:22:38 GMT
Actually, you don't need them anymore. EA recently released DLC bundles for all Bioware games that used points, so now you can get all the DLC for any Bio game for about...25-30 eur it was? Something like that. yes 25 for the ME2 DLC bundle and 30 for the ME3 DLC bundle, pretty fucking expensive. It's cheaper than what just the story dlc would cost you. I remember paying I think 50 eur in BW points for ME3 story DLC. (plus having them as direct payment packs opens up the potential for sales...not saying they will be on sale, but it's more likely than it was with BW points)
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Post by warden on Mar 20, 2018 20:24:45 GMT
yes 25 for the ME2 DLC bundle and 30 for the ME3 DLC bundle, pretty fucking expensive. It's cheaper than what just the story dlc would cost you. I remember paying I think 50 eur in BW points for ME3 story DLC. It's still expensive for a six year old game.
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Post by tatann on Mar 20, 2018 20:59:57 GMT
It's cheaper than what just the story dlc would cost you. I remember paying I think 50 eur in BW points for ME3 story DLC. It's still expensive for a six year old game. Indeed, the trilogy costs 15 euros, and people should think 50 euros for some DLCs is OK
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Post by starlord on Mar 20, 2018 21:22:02 GMT
It's still expensive for a six year old game. Indeed, the trilogy costs 15 euros, and people should think 50 euros for some DLCs is OK This fact especially makes zero sense when they released the trilogy as a collection a couple of years back- with none of ME3’s DLC. Like, I still haven’t played Lair of the Shadowbroker, Arrival, or Omega because of how much it physically pained me to spend full price on Citadel a while back. Pro tip: apparently if you have an Xbox One, there’s a thing called EA Access- it’s a subscription service that has EA titles and trials of upcoming games for those who pay and I think it’s like 10 bucks a month. I know many people would rather pay that money on anything else, but apparently- the full trilogy is there- as well as DLC. So if you’re quick about it- you could do a full trilogy DLC run for 10 dollars as long as you cancel before the following month. *raises glass* I’m probably going to do this soon. I don’t even like Liara, but I feel incomplete without actually playing through LoSB on my playthrough. Who told Bioware that they could keep important story content behind extra paywalls?
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Post by warden on Mar 20, 2018 22:12:57 GMT
Indeed, the trilogy costs 15 euros, and people should think 50 euros for some DLCs is OK This fact especially makes zero sense when they released the trilogy as a collection a couple of years back- with none of ME3’s DLC. Like, I still haven’t played Lair of the Shadowbroker, Arrival, or Omega because of how much it physically pained me to spend full price on Citadel a while back. Pro tip: apparently if you have an Xbox One, there’s a thing called EA Access- it’s a subscription service that has EA titles and trials of upcoming games for those who pay and I think it’s like 10 bucks a month. I know many people would rather pay that money on anything else, but apparently- the full trilogy is there- as well as DLC. So if you’re quick about it- you could do a full trilogy DLC run for 10 dollars as long as you cancel before the following month. *raises glass* I’m probably going to do this soon. I don’t even like Liara, but I feel incomplete without actually playing through LoSB on my playthrough. Who told Bioware that they could keep important story content behind extra paywalls? Arrival if you know what happens it really doesn't matter if you play it or not. Well I guess it depends on the playthrough. If you are playing a truly goody to shoes Shepard, you don't need that DLC, because if you play it the blood of 300.000 Batarians are in your Shepard hands and in ME 3 you are arrested by the Alliance for that and for working with Cerberus, but if you don't play it, Admiral Hackett sends his marines to do the same did, so that blood will not be in your Shepards hands and in ME3 you will only be arrested for working with Cerberus. But hey all depends of the point of view, in my case I really don't roleplay in that depth so I don't really care, but the prices are just to much.
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