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Post by Sanunes on Apr 20, 2018 11:52:15 GMT
Well, that's all very interesting, but why did it flop, again? I've kind of forgot. Are you sure it flopped? My understanding is that a flop will have done really poorly and probably lost money. I have posted before Andrew Wilson told investors that Mass Effect preformed really well even if the audience was polarized at the start, he also talked about having a really high player engagement which seems to be what they look for more then overall sales numbers now. Now don't get me wrong, it probably didn't meet that three million copies at launch target, but I don't think the game did as badly and internet analysts think it did.
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Post by river82 on Apr 20, 2018 11:54:52 GMT
Well, that's all very interesting, but why did it flop, again? I've kind of forgot. Are you sure it flopped? My understanding is that a flop will have done really poorly and probably lost money. It wasn't a flop but I can't see how it was anything but a disappointment. Only because Bioware has been hunting the 10 million sale figure for about a decade now, which is why they've been chasing popular trends. AAA game development seems to be demanding higher and higher sale numbers
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 20, 2018 12:07:34 GMT
Well, that's all very interesting, but why did it flop, again? I've kind of forgot. Are you sure it flopped? My understanding is that a flop will have done really poorly and probably lost money. I have posted before Andrew Wilson told investors that Mass Effect preformed really well even if the audience was polarized at the start, he also talked about having a really high player engagement which seems to be what they look for more then overall sales numbers now. Now don't get me wrong, it probably didn't meet that three million copies at launch target, but I don't think the game did as badly and internet analysts think it did. Ah, sorry, should have specified my definitions Failing to meet sales numbers and being shoved on ice - "flopped" Ending with budget deficit - "disaster"
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 20, 2018 12:10:56 GMT
Are you sure it flopped? My understanding is that a flop will have done really poorly and probably lost money. It wasn't a flop but I can't see how it was anything but a disappointment. Only because Bioware has been hunting the 10 million sale figure for about a decade now, which is why they've been chasing popular trends. AAA game development seems to be demanding higher and higher sale numbers Since AAA game development costs have skyrocketed I guess it's kind of an imperative... However, I would assume Bioware is a developer who could easily make cheaper story driven games again like DA2 if they just dropped open world ambitions and all the focus on graphics that goes with it.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 20, 2018 12:33:49 GMT
Are you sure it flopped? My understanding is that a flop will have done really poorly and probably lost money. It wasn't a flop but I can't see how it was anything but a disappointment. Only because Bioware has been hunting the 10 million sale figure for about a decade now, which is why they've been chasing popular trends. AAA game development seems to be demanding higher and higher sale numbers EA's CEO said that they expected the game to sell three million copies during launch. Which would makeup 30-50% of the lifetime sales. That would put their expectations at 6 - 10 million copies. They said ME3 sold 6 million copies, so they started the range with it doing as well as ME3. I've seen nothing that said it was the best selling ME game ever, so it obviously failed to meet the low end of their projections. How much it missed by only EA knows.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 20, 2018 12:43:12 GMT
The problem with side quests including the squadmate missions wasn't the relevance of the objective but the IMPLEMENTATION that was quite frankly the most rage inducing abomination of a system I have ever encountered. More than anything else in the game, more than the meh storytelling, it was the quest design that had me almost quit several times. I skipped 90% of the Tasks, OK. I thought that would improve the experience. But nope. Almost every quest felt like a waste of time fetch quest. It was all so TEDIOUS. The worst were those quests where the game leads you around in circles on a planet looking for stuff that oops wasn't where you thought it would be so you gotta keep looking. Oops, wrong place again! Ah sorry, next time for surrre.... It was INSULTING. The quest design was a disgusting waste of everyone's time. I would actually much rather do a one minute fetch quest than having to jump through a million hoops for the smallest reward. Few quests felt like they were worth the trouble. THAT was the problem for me. Little to no payoff for putting up with a million loading screens on those oh so wonderful multiple stage quests. F*CK THAT SHIT! Really makes you wonder if the devs actually played any quests before unleashing such boring nonsense gameplay on the players. Because it is NOT my understanding of a good time. (Sorry, this still makes me angry a year later.)Not nearly as insulting as the "princess is in another castle" plot of TW3. Are you sure it flopped? My understanding is that a flop will have done really poorly and probably lost money. I have posted before Andrew Wilson told investors that Mass Effect preformed really well even if the audience was polarized at the start, he also talked about having a really high player engagement which seems to be what they look for more then overall sales numbers now. Now don't get me wrong, it probably didn't meet that three million copies at launch target, but I don't think the game did as badly and internet analysts think it did. Ah, sorry, should have specified my definitions Failing to meet sales numbers and being shoved on ice - "flopped" Ending with budget deficit - "disaster"
Only it didn't fail to meet sales numbers either. Actually according to those that actually know it did really well.
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Post by river82 on Apr 20, 2018 12:45:47 GMT
EA's CEO said that they expected the game to sell three million copies during launch. Which would makeup 30-50% of the lifetime sales. That would put their expectations at 6 - 10 million copies. They said ME3 sold 6 million copies, so they started the range with it doing as well as ME3. I've seen nothing that said it was the best selling ME game ever, so it obviously failed to meet the low end of their projections. How much it missed by only EA knows. I usually just go by what Zeschuk said in 2010. Makes the number game a bit easier xD Q: I was going to say. If Mass Effect 2 is a 'minor hit', I can't wait to see a major one.GZ: Well, we need to sell 10 million units. That's actually the new target, right? We do Top 10 games, our stuff is quite successful. I know Mass [Effect 2] is number eight so far this year, in North America. Sometimes I'm facetious when I say some of those things, knowing that we can sell a few million but seeing that someone else can sell 25. You're kinda like, 'Well, that's a hit!' We always joke that if we only do half as well as Blizzard on Star Wars: The Old Republic, we'll be quite satisfied. We've been very fortunate. I always joke about that, but... www.videogamer.com/news/in_the_house_with_dr_greg_zeschuk.html
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 20, 2018 12:48:14 GMT
Ah, sorry, should have specified my definitions Failing to meet sales numbers and being shoved on ice - "flopped" Ending with budget deficit - "disaster"
Only it didn't fail to meet sales numbers either. Actually according to those that actually know it did really well. This is getting mysterious, why did they put it on ice then?
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Post by cypherj on Apr 20, 2018 12:57:47 GMT
EA's CEO said that they expected the game to sell three million copies during launch. Which would makeup 30-50% of the lifetime sales. That would put their expectations at 6 - 10 million copies. They said ME3 sold 6 million copies, so they started the range with it doing as well as ME3. I've seen nothing that said it was the best selling ME game ever, so it obviously failed to meet the low end of their projections. How much it missed by only EA knows. I usually just go by what Zeschuk said in 2010. Makes the number game a bit easier xD Q: I was going to say. If Mass Effect 2 is a 'minor hit', I can't wait to see a major one.GZ: Well, we need to sell 10 million units. That's actually the new target, right? We do Top 10 games, our stuff is quite successful. I know Mass [Effect 2] is number eight so far this year, in North America. Sometimes I'm facetious when I say some of those things, knowing that we can sell a few million but seeing that someone else can sell 25. You're kinda like, 'Well, that's a hit!' We always joke that if we only do half as well as Blizzard on Star Wars: The Old Republic, we'll be quite satisfied. We've been very fortunate. I always joke about that, but... www.videogamer.com/news/in_the_house_with_dr_greg_zeschuk.htmlWell I was just using the numbers from the CFO (Sorry, I think I said CEO before). It was pretty easy. ME3 sold 6 million. They expected ME:A to sell 3 million at launch, which would be 30-50% of the lifetime sales. That puts the expectations at 6 - 10 million. Everything I've seen about sales said that it was the second best launch, selling, whatever ME game ever. So it didn't even meet the low end of the projections. If it wasn't pacing ahead of ME3 early, it surely won't make up ground later seeing that ME3 had multiple DLC and a longer life. ME3 & ME:A are the only two games to release on all three platforms at once, so there had to be a huge gap between ME3 and ME2, and Andromeda could have fallen anywhere in there. Like I said, only EA knows how much it missed the projections by.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 13:04:57 GMT
I usually just go by what Zeschuk said in 2010. Makes the number game a bit easier xD Q: I was going to say. If Mass Effect 2 is a 'minor hit', I can't wait to see a major one.GZ: Well, we need to sell 10 million units. That's actually the new target, right? We do Top 10 games, our stuff is quite successful. I know Mass [Effect 2] is number eight so far this year, in North America. Sometimes I'm facetious when I say some of those things, knowing that we can sell a few million but seeing that someone else can sell 25. You're kinda like, 'Well, that's a hit!' We always joke that if we only do half as well as Blizzard on Star Wars: The Old Republic, we'll be quite satisfied. We've been very fortunate. I always joke about that, but... www.videogamer.com/news/in_the_house_with_dr_greg_zeschuk.htmlWell I was just using the numbers from the CFO (Sorry, I think I said CEO before). It was pretty easy. ME3 sold 6 million. They expected ME:A to sell 3 million at launch, which would be 30-50% of the lifetime sales. That puts the expectations at 6 - 10 million. Everything I've seen about sales said that it was the second best launch, selling, whatever ME game ever. So it didn't even meet the low end of the projections. If it wasn't pacing ahead of ME3 early, it surely won't make up ground later seeing that ME3 had multiple DLC and a longer life. ME3 & ME:A are the only two games to release on all three platforms at once, so there had to be a huge gap between ME3 and ME2, and Andromeda could have fallen anywhere in there. Like I said, only EA knows how much it missed the projections by. Perhaps this year's earning report will shed further light on the matter. Until then - hasn't this sort of discussion circled the block enough already?
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Post by river82 on Apr 20, 2018 13:16:16 GMT
Perhaps this year's earning report will shed further light on the matter. Until then - hasn't this sort of discussion circled the block enough already? Not much to talk about at the moment other than how Aaryn Flynn expected Andromeda to sell 5 million copies at an 80 dollar price point, and it must have been a huge blow to see the price start dropping 3 days after launch
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 20, 2018 13:16:25 GMT
Well I was just using the numbers from the CFO (Sorry, I think I said CEO before). It was pretty easy. ME3 sold 6 million. They expected ME:A to sell 3 million at launch, which would be 30-50% of the lifetime sales. That puts the expectations at 6 - 10 million. Everything I've seen about sales said that it was the second best launch, selling, whatever ME game ever. So it didn't even meet the low end of the projections. If it wasn't pacing ahead of ME3 early, it surely won't make up ground later seeing that ME3 had multiple DLC and a longer life. ME3 & ME:A are the only two games to release on all three platforms at once, so there had to be a huge gap between ME3 and ME2, and Andromeda could have fallen anywhere in there. Like I said, only EA knows how much it missed the projections by. Perhaps this year's earning report will shed further light on the matter. Until then - hasn't this sort of discussion circled the block enough already? Yeah more than once.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 20, 2018 13:21:07 GMT
Well I was just using the numbers from the CFO (Sorry, I think I said CEO before). It was pretty easy. ME3 sold 6 million. They expected ME:A to sell 3 million at launch, which would be 30-50% of the lifetime sales. That puts the expectations at 6 - 10 million. Everything I've seen about sales said that it was the second best launch, selling, whatever ME game ever. So it didn't even meet the low end of the projections. If it wasn't pacing ahead of ME3 early, it surely won't make up ground later seeing that ME3 had multiple DLC and a longer life. ME3 & ME:A are the only two games to release on all three platforms at once, so there had to be a huge gap between ME3 and ME2, and Andromeda could have fallen anywhere in there. Like I said, only EA knows how much it missed the projections by. Perhaps this year's earning report will shed further light on the matter. Until then - hasn't this sort of discussion circled the block enough already? They're not going to go into details about a year old game. But this one wasn't hard to figure out. All the numbers came straight from the CFO of EA, no guessing, nothing was subjective. They gave us what ME3 sold (6 million), and what their expectations were (6 - 10 million). Everyone here knows that if ME:A had the best launch for an ME game we would have heard about it by now, and having a better launch than ME3 is the only way it would be on pace to meet the lowest end of their projections. ME3 had a much longer life, with the last DLC being released a year after launch, so there's no way ME:A is going to sell as many copies over it's lifetime, so it won't even hit the 6 million ME3 sold.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 20, 2018 13:22:13 GMT
Only it didn't fail to meet sales numbers either. Actually according to those that actually know it did really well. This is getting mysterious, why did they put it on ice then? What does it mean "on ice"? There is a lot of internet speculation as for the reasons for the lack of SP DLCs but actual proof backing any of it up is severely lacking. Bioware have clearly stated that they will return to Mass Effect, They are still hiring people for the ongoing support of Mass Effect etc. For now it is clear that focus is on Anthem for Bioware and EA needed the majority of the people in the Montreal studio for whatever Motive was/is working on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 13:28:28 GMT
Perhaps this year's earning report will shed further light on the matter. Until then - hasn't this sort of discussion circled the block enough already? They're not going to go into details about a year old game. But this one wasn't hard to figure out. All the numbers came straight from the CFO of EA, no guessing, nothing was subjective. They gave us what ME3 sold (6 million), and what their expectations were (6 - 10 million). Everyone here knows that if ME:A had the best launch for an ME game we would have heard about it by now, and having a better launch than ME3 is the only way it would be on pace to meet the lowest end of their projections. ME3 had a much longer life, with the last DLC being released a year after launch, so there's no way ME:A is going to sell as many copies over it's lifetime, so it won't even hit the 6 million ME3 sold. Still, there's no point in continue to go around and around with this without new info. There is a deadlocked disagreement here about how badly ME:A did and that deadlock will remain unless new info comes along. The only chance remaining for some new info is the annual earnings report that will come out on May 8th.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 20, 2018 13:33:19 GMT
This is getting mysterious, why did they put it on ice then? What does it mean "on ice"? There is a lot of internet speculation as for the reasons for the lack of SP DLCs but actual proof backing any of it up is severely lacking. Bioware have clearly stated that they will return to Mass Effect, They are still hiring people for the ongoing support of Mass Effect etc. For now it is clear that focus is on Anthem for Bioware and EA needed the majority of the people in the Montreal studio for whatever Motive was/is working on. So MEA is the best ME game, a financial success and clearly gets continuation in future. Ok, lol, I just... has BSN reached this level of delusion already?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 13:37:19 GMT
What does it mean "on ice"? There is a lot of internet speculation as for the reasons for the lack of SP DLCs but actual proof backing any of it up is severely lacking. Bioware have clearly stated that they will return to Mass Effect, They are still hiring people for the ongoing support of Mass Effect etc. For now it is clear that focus is on Anthem for Bioware and EA needed the majority of the people in the Montreal studio for whatever Motive was/is working on. So MEA is the best ME game, a financial success and clearly gets continuation in future. Ok, lol, I just... has BSN reached this level of delusion already?
Again with the insults? It's equally delusional to think you're going to be able to change anyone's mind after repeatedly insulting them for months and going on about this for several months without the benefit of any new data being available.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 20, 2018 13:40:21 GMT
So MEA is the best ME game, a financial success and clearly gets continuation in future. Ok, lol, I just... has BSN reached this level of delusion already?
Again with the insults. It's equally delusional to think you're going to be able to change anyone's mind after repeatedly insulting them for months and going on about this for several months without the benefit of any new data being available. If you consider this an insult you must properly report it, since insults are not acceptable by BSN rules.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 20, 2018 13:41:32 GMT
They're not going to go into details about a year old game. But this one wasn't hard to figure out. All the numbers came straight from the CFO of EA, no guessing, nothing was subjective. They gave us what ME3 sold (6 million), and what their expectations were (6 - 10 million). Everyone here knows that if ME:A had the best launch for an ME game we would have heard about it by now, and having a better launch than ME3 is the only way it would be on pace to meet the lowest end of their projections. ME3 had a much longer life, with the last DLC being released a year after launch, so there's no way ME:A is going to sell as many copies over it's lifetime, so it won't even hit the 6 million ME3 sold. Still, there's no point in continue to go around and around with this without new info. There is a deadlocked disagreement here about how badly ME:A did and that deadlock will remain unless new info comes along. The only chance remaining for some new info is the annual earnings report that will come out on May 8th. The only reason Wilson commented the last time was because of a direct question. It may happen the next time as well but most likely not because those people tend to be more interested in FIFA. Especially this year.
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Again with the insults. It's equally delusional to think you're going to be able to change anyone's mind after repeatedly insulting them for months and going on about this for several months without the benefit of any new data being available. If you consider this an insult you must properly report it, since insults are not acceptable by BSN rules. Done per your request.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 20, 2018 13:44:51 GMT
What does it mean "on ice"? There is a lot of internet speculation as for the reasons for the lack of SP DLCs but actual proof backing any of it up is severely lacking. Bioware have clearly stated that they will return to Mass Effect, They are still hiring people for the ongoing support of Mass Effect etc. For now it is clear that focus is on Anthem for Bioware and EA needed the majority of the people in the Montreal studio for whatever Motive was/is working on. So MEA is the best ME game, a financial success and clearly gets continuation in future. Ok, lol, I just... has BSN reached this level of delusion already?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 13:47:17 GMT
Still, there's no point in continue to go around and around with this without new info. There is a deadlocked disagreement here about how badly ME:A did and that deadlock will remain unless new info comes along. The only chance remaining for some new info is the annual earnings report that will come out on May 8th. The only reason Wilson commented the last time was because of a direct question. It may happen the next time as well but most likely not because those people tend to be more interested in FIFA. Especially this year. I'm not saying it's a good chance... I'm saying it's the only chance to unlock this deadlock of opinion. The arguments presented have been repeated here over and over and over again and have not managed to convince anyone on either side of anything. They regularly deteriorate into "shouting matches" and threads get locked as a result of that. I'd like to keep one thread open for a change.
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Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 20, 2018 13:52:11 GMT
The only reason Wilson commented the last time was because of a direct question. It may happen the next time as well but most likely not because those people tend to be more interested in FIFA. Especially this year. I'm not saying it's a good chance... I'm saying it's the only chance to unlock this deadlock of opinion. The arguments presented have been repeated here over and over and over again and have not managed to convince anyone on either side of anything. They regularly deteriorate into "shouting matches" and threads get locked as a result of that. I'd like to keep one thread open for a change. You're right. I think our best bet right now is for Casey to be a little more open when he's blogging. Not that there is big chance for it. But still, one can hope.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 20, 2018 13:53:39 GMT
So MEA is the best ME game, a financial success and clearly gets continuation in future. Ok, lol, I just... has BSN reached this level of delusion already?
Oh, did someone steal your sweet roll? Nah, ate it myself. Just makes me wonder what it's gonna look like in a couple of years.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 20, 2018 14:05:49 GMT
Ok, lol, I just... has BSN reached this level of delusion already?
So, this type of general unfocused comment isn't directly actionable. It is however useless at advancing your argument, and tends to derail discussion and to provoke escalations which do get closer to the scope of mod action. I would thus advise against this.
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