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Post by Sanunes on Apr 20, 2018 20:15:40 GMT
It wasn't a flop but I can't see how it was anything but a disappointment. Only because Bioware has been hunting the 10 million sale figure for about a decade now, which is why they've been chasing popular trends. AAA game development seems to be demanding higher and higher sale numbers Since AAA game development costs have skyrocketed I guess it's kind of an imperative... However, I would assume Bioware is a developer who could easily make cheaper story driven games again like DA2 if they just dropped open world ambitions and all the focus on graphics that goes with it. I don't think going open world really adds that much to the graphics requirements since they are fairly static what takes a lot of work at least in BioWare games in the facial animations due to the amount of dialogue they try and put into the games. So if you want to cut back things to lower development costs it would be cutting more of the story out of the game so they can save animation costs. Comparing Andromeda to Dragon Age 2 I do find funny since Dragon Age 2 had a reception closer to what Andromeda would have had at that time. People whining non-stop about things they didn't like about the game, such as reused dungeons, that Kirkwall never changes, or a protagonist they don't like. Players have expectations when it comes to games to what they get, otherwise the facial animations for a few scenes wouldn't have become the issue they did.
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Post by river82 on Apr 20, 2018 20:18:44 GMT
Aaron Flynn was quoted as saying 5 million in expected lifetime sales This is very much incorrect. Aaryn Flynn expected 5 million at an 80 dollar price point. That the price for Andromeda started dropping 3 days after launch means Flynn's expectation almost certainly wasn't met, and it likely fell well short of those expectations.
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Post by river82 on Apr 20, 2018 20:36:01 GMT
He said he expected 3 million at launch. Not 1.8 to 3 million which would be what you;re trying to say, 30-50% of 6 million. He said 3 million. If you're expecting three million, there;s no need to give a range if your goal is six million. I'm expecting three million in the first few days, which will be 50% of the projected sales of 6 million. That's what he would have said. But he said he expected 30 - 50% of the games lifetime sales to occur at launch, and he expected 3 million at launch. Lolnope "...so you'll probably see something like around 3 million units in the quarter, depending on the exact timing so." Depending as it were on how big proportion of lifetime sales they get in that first quarter. Yeah, sorry but Cypherj is correct here. "Probably" is a synonym for "almost certainly", and "expect" means "you think it's likely to happen" so if Blake says you'll "probably see something" he expects it to happen (in fact Merriam Webster defines "probably" as "to be expected"). So by Blake's own words he expected 3 million at launch. That's practically a fact going by the meaning of words in general and what he said. As cypherj then said, Blake expected those to be 30-50%, which is 6-10 million. 6 million is the low end of those expectations.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 20, 2018 20:42:43 GMT
Lolnope "...so you'll probably see something like around 3 million units in the quarter, depending on the exact timing so." Depending as it were on how big proportion of lifetime sales they get in that first quarter. The quarter sales were the launch. The game came out March 21st (23rd in the UK) the quarter ended on the 31st. You're acting like the game came out in January or something. They expected 3 million in that time, which would be 30-50% of the lifetime sales. No I'm not. The discussion is about how much of the revenue they will get in Q4FY17 and how much they will get Q1FY18. Out of close to 6 million in lifetime sales. Nothing else.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 20, 2018 20:45:43 GMT
Lolnope "...so you'll probably see something like around 3 million units in the quarter, depending on the exact timing so." Depending as it were on how big proportion of lifetime sales they get in that first quarter. Yeah, sorry but Cypherj is correct here. "Probably" is a synonym for "almost certainly", and "expect" means "you think it's likely to happen" so if Blake says you'll "probably see something" he expects it to happen (in fact Merriam Webster defines "probably" as "to be expected"). So by Blake's own words he expected 3 million at launch. That's practically a fact going by the meaning of words in general and what he said. As cypherj then said, Blake expected those to be 30-50%, which is 6-10 million. 6 million is the low end of those expectations. As it seems you have some kind of dictionary there you should perhaps look up depending, dependant, dependancy etc?
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 20, 2018 20:48:34 GMT
Aaron Flynn was quoted as saying 5 million in expected lifetime sales This is very much incorrect. Aaryn Flynn expected 5 million at an 80 dollar price point. That the price for Andromeda started dropping 3 days after launch means Flynn's expectation almost certainly wasn't met, and it likely fell well short of those expectations. The $80 is likely Canadian Dollars per the conversion rate. With the Collector's Editions at $260 (Remote Control Nomad w/game) and $160 (Diecast Nomad w/game) respectively, the $100 Digital SuperDeluxe Edition, and the $69.95 Deluxe Editions, the investors call stated millions were earned from these editions along with the traditional $60 ($80 Canadian) editions but, without exact figures, no way of knowing how many units were sold at that exact price point. As for the price of Andromeda, it held steady for months after release with occasional "weekend" or "promotional" flash sales through Amazon, BestBuy, Target, Toys R Us, Gamestop etc that would end and the price would go back up. I know this because I was tracking for $29.99 deluxe editions to purchase for friends as gifts. Even with the price relatively steady, it hung in with the top ten in game sales for half the year until COD WWII and Battlefield II were released. It made it's money up front, likely held on long enough to get near 5-6 million in total units sold but didn't have the player retention to justify EA's continued support with more lucrative projects demanding their attention. Edit: Adjusted price of respective Collector's Edition to include game
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Post by river82 on Apr 20, 2018 20:52:11 GMT
Is it just me, or do the ME:A expected sales seem a bit crazy? Nah, it's the reality of AAA gaming. Zeschuk said 8 years ago that 10 million was the new target, but targets keep increasing so ideally targets would be higher today than it was a decade ago ... except that Bioware still can't hit their target from a decade ago To put it in perspective Bioware is supposed to be one of the greatest RPG studios in the West. Andromeda had a budget comparable to Witcher 3, Witcher 3 sold about 20 million units (the series has sold 33 million all up I think), so a 10 million target would be half that? 6-10 million would be a third to a half of that? Not that crazy really.
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Post by river82 on Apr 20, 2018 20:53:29 GMT
Yeah, sorry but Cypherj is correct here. "Probably" is a synonym for "almost certainly", and "expect" means "you think it's likely to happen" so if Blake says you'll "probably see something" he expects it to happen (in fact Merriam Webster defines "probably" as "to be expected"). So by Blake's own words he expected 3 million at launch. That's practically a fact going by the meaning of words in general and what he said. As cypherj then said, Blake expected those to be 30-50%, which is 6-10 million. 6 million is the low end of those expectations. As it seems you have some kind of dictionary there you should perhaps look up depending, dependant, dependancy etc? In the context of the statement, doesn't mean anything. Feel free to ignore it
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Post by helios969 on Apr 20, 2018 21:00:03 GMT
1) Well if that constitutes a great story I guess I will not be asking to borrow anything from your book collection. 2) You mean it's not the game the majority wanted. If that were not the case, we wouldn't be where we are right now. I do think it had potential but the lack of insight into the Archon's motivations resulted in another generic, cliche villain. I didn't sympathize, he didn't terrify me, never felt threatened...most of the time I just felt like laughing at the way he was presented. 1. I love people who assume taste is objective. Also because I like something you don’t does not mean I have bad taste. I have all the Lord of the Rings novels, several Dickens, Tom Clancy, James Patterson and more. 2. The people here do not equal the majority so nice try. Plenty of people like it just those that don’t are way more vocal. It’s the way it is with every form of media. 1) We're not discussing taste, we're talking about good writing/storytelling. There are clear and concise objective rules to good writing/storytelling...those elements are not subjective. Don't take my word for it, feel free to discuss this with a university lit. professor or professional novelist. 2) This is true, however if the majority loved it we would have had a dlc or two by now with Bioware discussing a planned sequel. Hasn't happened...very unlikely that it will.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 20, 2018 21:02:00 GMT
As it seems you have some kind of dictionary there you should perhaps look up depending, dependant, dependancy etc? In the context of the statement, doesn't mean anything. Feel free to ignore it Suuuure. Well context is everything and it is clear you haven't grasped the context at all.
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Post by river82 on Apr 20, 2018 21:08:19 GMT
In the context of the statement, doesn't mean anything. Feel free to ignore it Suuuure. Well context is everything and it is clear you haven't grasped the context at all. Oh pfffft. I grasp whatever context is most convenient for my argument :3 ... ... context. In some manner
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 20, 2018 21:40:04 GMT
1. I love people who assume taste is objective. Also because I like something you don’t does not mean I have bad taste. I have all the Lord of the Rings novels, several Dickens, Tom Clancy, James Patterson and more. 2. The people here do not equal the majority so nice try. Plenty of people like it just those that don’t are way more vocal. It’s the way it is with every form of media. 1) We're not discussing taste, we're talking about good writing/storytelling. There are clear and concise objective rules to good writing/storytelling...those elements are not subjective. Don't take my word for it, feel free to discuss this with a university lit. professor or professional novelist. 2) This is true, however if the majority loved it we would have had a dlc or two by now with Bioware discussing a planned sequel. Hasn't happened...very unlikely that it will. 1. Yes that is true but you attacked my taste because I consider this a good story. And I see nothing that violates the proper tenants of a story. 2. Not necessarily you are just spitballing and hoping as am I just for different things. Neither of us know for certain.
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Post by helios969 on Apr 20, 2018 21:48:21 GMT
1) We're not discussing taste, we're talking about good writing/storytelling. There are clear and concise objective rules to good writing/storytelling...those elements are not subjective. Don't take my word for it, feel free to discuss this with a university lit. professor or professional novelist. 2) This is true, however if the majority loved it we would have had a dlc or two by now with Bioware discussing a planned sequel. Hasn't happened...very unlikely that it will. 1. Yes that is true but you attacked my taste because I consider this a good story. And I see nothing that violates the proper tenants of a story. 2. Not necessarily you are just spitballing and hoping as am I just for different things. Neither of us know for certain. Well, good luck on the hope front then.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 25, 2018 13:13:40 GMT
The hope front, lmao. Ain't even a front even there's not enough people in it. No one really cares.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 25, 2018 16:27:13 GMT
Count me as one who doesn't care nor desires a remaster. I have all three currently on my XBox and can play them whenever I want right now. Not sure what a remaster will do for the series other than make it more "glossy" and give the haters a second chance to complain about ME3's ending.
In order for it to be worth the effort, they'd need to overhaul the combat system, inventory system and Mako weapons in ME1 and include all SP DLCs for the franchise to really move some units. Otherwise, it will just be lost in the current sea of remasters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 17:20:01 GMT
Count me as one who doesn't care nor desires a remaster. I have all three currently on my XBox and can play them whenever I want right now. Not sure what a remaster will do for the series other than make it more "glossy" and give the haters a second chance to complain about ME3's ending. In order for it to be worth the effort, they'd need to overhaul the combat system, inventory system and Mako weapons in ME1 and include all SP DLCs for the franchise to really move some units. Otherwise, it will just be lost in the current sea of remasters. Count me as one of these as well. As long as my Xbox 360 runs, I'll play the Trilogy on it. If it poops out on me, I can move the series onto my Xbone (Before anyone asks why it's not on my Xbone now - my hard drive is full of other games in progress). The graphics are still acceptable to me. The only time I was ever even remotely interested in a remaster was before they made the entire OT backwards compatible. Now that they have, I have absolutely no reason to buy the same game again... even remastered. As for a remake, I absolutely hate the thought of it. People all want their own particular "fixes" to the old story and the chance of them actually rewriting things in a away that actually pleases even a fraction of that crowd are slim to none. In addition, the really gripping choices would probably get watered down. The Renegade/Paragon systems would get revamped to look more like they do in ME:A (which was OK for me, but many people whined instantly about there not being enough badass (aka jerk) dialogue available. Remaking the OT, IMO, would more likely ruin it than fix it.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 25, 2018 17:36:14 GMT
Count me as one who doesn't care nor desires a remaster. I have all three currently on my XBox and can play them whenever I want right now. Not sure what a remaster will do for the series other than make it more "glossy" and give the haters a second chance to complain about ME3's ending. In order for it to be worth the effort, they'd need to overhaul the combat system, inventory system and Mako weapons in ME1 and include all SP DLCs for the franchise to really move some units. Otherwise, it will just be lost in the current sea of remasters. Count me as one of these as well. As long as my Xbox 360 runs, I'll play the Trilogy on it. If it poops out on me, I can move the series onto my Xbone (Before anyone asks why it's not on my Xbone now - my hard drive is full of other games in progress). The graphics are still acceptable to me. The only time I was ever even remotely interested in a remaster was before they made the entire OT backwards compatible. Now that they have, I have absolutely no reason to buy the same game again... even remastered. As for a remake, I absolutely hate the thought of it. People all want their own particular "fixes" to the old story and the chance of them actually rewriting things in a away that actually pleases even a fraction of that crowd are slim to none. In addition, the really gripping choices would probably get watered down. The Renegade/Paragon systems would get revamped to look more like they do in ME:A (which was OK for me, but many people whined instantly about there not being enough badass (aka jerk) dialogue available. Remaking the OT, IMO, would more likely ruin it than fix it. I wouldn't change the Renegage/Paragon options, story, the choices, etc...I would just upgrade the combat, which feels extremely stiff compared to ME2 and ME3, the inventory system, which is unwieldy and gets ridiculous later in the game, and upgrade the Mako with a targeting system for it's weapons that isn't verging on guessing. More of a structural overhaul where the narrative and dialogue choices all stay the same. Again, I am only listing the reason I would actually re-purchase a game I've played 50 or 60 times.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 17:44:41 GMT
Count me as one of these as well. As long as my Xbox 360 runs, I'll play the Trilogy on it. If it poops out on me, I can move the series onto my Xbone (Before anyone asks why it's not on my Xbone now - my hard drive is full of other games in progress). The graphics are still acceptable to me. The only time I was ever even remotely interested in a remaster was before they made the entire OT backwards compatible. Now that they have, I have absolutely no reason to buy the same game again... even remastered. As for a remake, I absolutely hate the thought of it. People all want their own particular "fixes" to the old story and the chance of them actually rewriting things in a away that actually pleases even a fraction of that crowd are slim to none. In addition, the really gripping choices would probably get watered down. The Renegade/Paragon systems would get revamped to look more like they do in ME:A (which was OK for me, but many people whined instantly about there not being enough badass (aka jerk) dialogue available. Remaking the OT, IMO, would more likely ruin it than fix it. I wouldn't change the Renegage/Paragon options, story, the choices, etc...I would just upgrade the combat, which feels extremely stiff compared to ME2 and ME3, the inventory system, which is unwieldy and gets ridiculous later in the game, and upgrade the Mako with a targeting system for it's weapons that isn't verging on guessing. More of a structural overhaul where the narrative and dialogue choices all stay the same. Again, I am only listing the reason I would actually re-purchase a game I've played 50 or 60 times. Sorry, I wasn't clear. I wasn't suggesting that you would change the story or paragon/renegade system; but I would fear that, if the project were opened, Bioware would not be able to resist changing those aspects as well.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2018 17:50:02 GMT
Redoing combat isn’t within the scope of a remaster. That’s a full remake, a big endeavor. I’d be content if they modified (I’d prefer eliminated, but I’m not crazy) ME2’s planet-scanning to make it about 10 to 50 times faster. It’s gaming deadweight that I usually edit out of my experience.
I’d want all of the character textures that I likewise edit into my experience added into the Character Creator. (I’m thinking of all of the hairstyles and the like to which Shep has no access). If the CC could be slightly expanded and more unified across the trilogy, that would be great; but maybe that’s too close to “remake” territory. Face Codes in ME1 might be cool, but not really needed.
Seamless imports are an obvious must. ME3 did a good job of telling you exactly which world state you were importing. ME2 could be improved in that regard.
Otherwise, I’d be happy to be able to play MET with fresh textures and improved lighting on my PS4 Pro. It may never happen for ME1, but I can dream. There just isn’t any compelling reason for me to buy an XBOX in this current “generation”. Being able to unload the clutter of the old 360 would be great. I’ve only kept it, at this point, for the MET. It’s not yet even unpacked since my recent move. I hate clutter.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 25, 2018 17:52:36 GMT
QUOTED: [REDACTED DISAGREEMENT]p.s. griffith82 , I very much agree with your suggestion... SofaJockey
ENOUGH!!!!!!!! Respect people’s opinions and stop insulting people if they don’t agree with you!!!!
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 25, 2018 18:03:09 GMT
Redoing combat isn’t within the scope of a remaster. That’s a full remake, a big endeavor. I’d be content if they modified (I’d prefer eliminated, but I’m not crazy) ME2’s planet-scanning to make it about 10 to 50 times faster. It’s gaming deadweight that I usually edit out of my experience. I’d want all of the character textures that I likewise edit into my experience added into the Character Creator. (I’m thinking of all of the hairstyles and the like to which Shep has no access). If the CC could be slightly expanded and more unified across the trilogy, that would be great; but maybe that’s too close to “remake” territory. Face Codes in ME1 might be cool, but not really needed. Seamless imports are an obvious must. ME3 did a good job of telling you exactly which world state you were importing. ME2 could be improved in that regard. Otherwise, I’d be happy to be able to play MET with fresh textures and improved lighting on my PS4 Pro. It may never happen for ME1, but I can dream. There just isn’t any compelling reason for me to buy an XBOX in this current “generation”. Being able to unload the clutter of the old 360 would be great. I’ve only kept it, at this point, for the MET. It’s not yet even unpacked since my recent move. I hate clutter. The only reason I can think of BioWare/EA committing resources to a remaster is get all three games finally on the PS4. I still don't think I'd purchase it on the PS4 as I already have it on the PS3 but it might be a low-cost way to generate sales on a 6 year old franchise as why would you not want it on the world's best selling console. They could even make a port for Switch through their remastering efforts. A "Remake" of ME1 is just part of my wishlist.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 25, 2018 18:07:35 GMT
Is it just me, or do the ME:A expected sales seem a bit crazy? Nah, it's the reality of AAA gaming. Zeschuk said 8 years ago that 10 million was the new target, but targets keep increasing so ideally targets would be higher today than it was a decade ago ... except that Bioware still can't hit their target from a decade ago To put it in perspective Bioware is supposed to be one of the greatest RPG studios in the West. Andromeda had a budget comparable to Witcher 3, Witcher 3 sold about 20 million units (the series has sold 33 million all up I think), so a 10 million target would be half that? 6-10 million would be a third to a half of that? Not that crazy really. OK, maybe not crazy. Still, expecting a 66% sales increase over the previous game -- assuming ME3 did about 6 million -- is a bit optimistic unless you've really drunk the open world Kool-Aid.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2018 18:58:47 GMT
Redoing combat isn’t within the scope of a remaster. That’s a full remake, a big endeavor. I’d be content if they modified (I’d prefer eliminated, but I’m not crazy) ME2’s planet-scanning to make it about 10 to 50 times faster. It’s gaming deadweight that I usually edit out of my experience. I’d want all of the character textures that I likewise edit into my experience added into the Character Creator. (I’m thinking of all of the hairstyles and the like to which Shep has no access). If the CC could be slightly expanded and more unified across the trilogy, that would be great; but maybe that’s too close to “remake” territory. Face Codes in ME1 might be cool, but not really needed. Seamless imports are an obvious must. ME3 did a good job of telling you exactly which world state you were importing. ME2 could be improved in that regard. Otherwise, I’d be happy to be able to play MET with fresh textures and improved lighting on my PS4 Pro. It may never happen for ME1, but I can dream. There just isn’t any compelling reason for me to buy an XBOX in this current “generation”. Being able to unload the clutter of the old 360 would be great. I’ve only kept it, at this point, for the MET. It’s not yet even unpacked since my recent move. I hate clutter. The only reason I can think of BioWare/EA committing resources to a remaster is get all three games finally on the PS4. I still don't think I'd purchase it on the PS4 as I already have it on the PS3 but it might be a low-cost way to generate sales on a 6 year old franchise as why would you not want it on the world's best selling console. They could even make a port for Switch through their remastering efforts. A "Remake" of ME1 is just part of my wishlist. I invested a small fortune in MET over the years, and it was totally worth it. It was a great cost:enjoyment ratio, given my hours spent playing and talking about the series. I'd definitely dole out a few more dollars in order to get it on the PS4. I could finally, permanently retire my 360 at that point. The thing is just in the way. I'm not a fan of holding onto old tech. I'd love to recycle it.
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CrutchCricket
The Emperor Daft Serious
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August 2016
crutchcricket
CrutchCricket
Mass Effect Trilogy
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 25, 2018 19:00:46 GMT
Let's dial it down a bit from the personal jabs, folks.
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andrewlucas
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 25, 2018 21:52:09 GMT
I agree, people go hunting others and then get mad by themselves. There's no need to reply to every single post you disagree with it.
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