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Post by Sanunes on Apr 25, 2018 22:20:14 GMT
Redoing combat isn’t within the scope of a remaster. That’s a full remake, a big endeavor. I’d be content if they modified (I’d prefer eliminated, but I’m not crazy) ME2’s planet-scanning to make it about 10 to 50 times faster. It’s gaming deadweight that I usually edit out of my experience. I’d want all of the character textures that I likewise edit into my experience added into the Character Creator. (I’m thinking of all of the hairstyles and the like to which Shep has no access). If the CC could be slightly expanded and more unified across the trilogy, that would be great; but maybe that’s too close to “remake” territory. Face Codes in ME1 might be cool, but not really needed. Seamless imports are an obvious must. ME3 did a good job of telling you exactly which world state you were importing. ME2 could be improved in that regard. Otherwise, I’d be happy to be able to play MET with fresh textures and improved lighting on my PS4 Pro. It may never happen for ME1, but I can dream. There just isn’t any compelling reason for me to buy an XBOX in this current “generation”. Being able to unload the clutter of the old 360 would be great. I’ve only kept it, at this point, for the MET. It’s not yet even unpacked since my recent move. I hate clutter. I get what you are saying, but that is what the average person would be okay with and at times that doesn't seem to be a person that matters in arguments now. The problem is when you come down to the the people that can become very vocal want the game changed and changed to their expectations of how BioWare should have done it the first time. To me there is a group of people out there that will look for anything to latch onto with a product labeled BioWare for some reason and if they can exploit it to make news about how horrible the game or company is they will. I can see the complaints about "how EA was lazy and didn't even bother to fix what real fans consider broken", "the game is a complete mess because it plays like a game that is a decade old", maybe even a "there is no consistency between the different games". Its why I think they are hesitant to do anything like that for after the reception Andromeda got and what people attached to the loudest I think they don't think there is a way they can release it without a major controversy. |
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Post by themikefest on Apr 25, 2018 22:41:07 GMT
I don't see a problem with releasing a remaster. Its whether or not EA wants to or not. Just give it a new coat of paint, include all dlc, and include armor and weapon packs for $59.99. I'm sure it would sell well. As I've said before, if they do release a remaster, I wouldn't be surprised if outsells Andromeda.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 25, 2018 23:26:37 GMT
My only personal interest is in a package with all DLCs. But if they were going to do that, wouldn't they have done that already?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 26, 2018 4:15:46 GMT
I might be okay with a remaster with one condition that's a requirement for me and another that would be enjoyable but not necessary. One is the obvious (for me): same sex romance allowed in ME1. It's already voiced so no reason not to do it. Two: Let Kaidan and Ashley both survive Virmire. I could really imagine them becoming close friends. Oh, and let's throw in a third: don't make Liara automatically have to be your best friend. If you want that, fine, but she shouldn't be shoved down our throats.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 26, 2018 4:18:24 GMT
I might be okay with a remaster with one condition that's a requirement for me and another that would be enjoyable but not necessary. One is the obvious (for me): same sex romance allowed in ME1. It's already voiced so no reason not to do it. Two: Let Kaidan and Ashley both survive Virmire. I could really imagine them becoming close friends. Oh, and let's throw in a third: don't make Liara automatically have to be your best friend. If you want that, fine, but she shouldn't be shoved down our throats. Yeah, after all they voiced that as well so it is already there: |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 26, 2018 5:17:11 GMT
My only personal interest is in a package with all DLCs. But if they were going to do that, wouldn't they have done that already? DLC is a given. ME3 ain't even that old, it was released an year before the next generation of consoles. For awhile EA said they were against remasters, but now they're testing waters with Burnout, MET Port/Remaster looks far more likely now than ever, and if happens, it will probably be another studio at the helm. BioWare got too much in their hands. The games are great, just revamp the textures, clean glitches, make a seamless mode and put that 60FPS together with a 4K mode for the capable consoles and machines. It's literally heaven. |
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 26, 2018 5:27:16 GMT
I don't see a problem with releasing a remaster. Its whether or not EA wants to or not. Just give it a new coat of paint, include all dlc, and include armor and weapon packs for $59.99. I'm sure it would sell well. As I've said before, if they do release a remaster, I wouldn't be surprised if outsells Andromeda. I think it is also if EA thinks it would be financially a good idea, like you said people are armchair developing that Andromeda didn't sell well. So the question then becomes why would they risk money on something that might preform poorly because the fan base doesn't like something that was or was not done with the re-releases. I see a lot of people say "this one little thing needs to be changed" and adding all those up the game becomes a remake and not a remaster and cannot meet all the expectations that are expected by people that want to see that one little thing changed. [edit:] Cleaned up the end of the last sentence. |
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 26, 2018 8:22:28 GMT
I invested a small fortune in MET over the years, and it was totally worth it. It was a great cost:enjoyment ratio, given my hours spent playing and talking about the series. I'd definitely dole out a few more dollars in order to get it on the PS4. I could finally, permanently retire my 360 at that point. The thing is just in the way. I'm not a fan of holding onto old tech. I'd love to recycle it. Yeah, only reason my Xbox still sits in my living room is the trilogy too. Buuut even with an all-DLC remaster I'd probably have to enshrine my canon Shepard's savefiles in a metal box that will surive a nuclear war. You know, just in case...  |
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Post by vallixas on Apr 26, 2018 14:54:57 GMT
Tfw a God of War game is more of an RPG worthy of comparison to Witcher 3 than a Bioware game.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 26, 2018 15:04:21 GMT
Tfw a God of War game is more of an RPG worthy of comparison to Witcher 3 than a Bioware game. Maybe for you, but that doesn't mean it is for everyone. RPG is such an open term that it means many different things for different people. Playing some of that God of War game the other day felt as RPG like Rise of the Tomb Raider or Deus Ex: Mankind Divided because there is no room for my development of the character in anything other then the path the game tells you to go in. BioWare stories may have issues because of how open ended they leave the characters, but to me it fills what I look for in a RPG more then any other game that I play. |
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 26, 2018 15:47:33 GMT
My only personal interest is in a package with all DLCs. But if they were going to do that, wouldn't they have done that already? DLC is a given. ME3 ain't even that old, it was released an year before the next generation of consoles. For awhile EA said they were against remasters, but now they're testing waters with Burnout, MET Port/Remaster looks far more likely now than ever, and if happens, it will probably be another studio at the helm. BioWare got too much in their hands. The games are great, just revamp the textures, clean glitches, make a seamless mode and put that 60FPS together with a 4K mode for the capable consoles and machines. It's literally heaven. I don't see why you figure including DLC is a given. Unless you mean that it's the major selling point for such a remaster? I guess it depends on what you figure the business case for a remaster is. (Not a fan of leaving ME1's gameplay unaltered myself, but I don't think changing it would pass an ROI test.) |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 26, 2018 16:34:42 GMT
DLC is a given. ME3 ain't even that old, it was released an year before the next generation of consoles. For awhile EA said they were against remasters, but now they're testing waters with Burnout, MET Port/Remaster looks far more likely now than ever, and if happens, it will probably be another studio at the helm. BioWare got too much in their hands. The games are great, just revamp the textures, clean glitches, make a seamless mode and put that 60FPS together with a 4K mode for the capable consoles and machines. It's literally heaven. I don't see why you figure including DLC is a given. Unless you mean that it's the major selling point for such a remaster? I guess it depends on what you figure the business case for a remaster is. (Not a fan of leaving ME1's gameplay unaltered myself, but I don't think changing it would pass an ROI test.) Why it wouldn't be...? This isn't Call Of Duty. It's a single player experience repackaged for current gen consoles. I doubt there wouldn't be DLCs included, this ain't Andromeda. Burnout Remastered included all of its packs as well. Me neither, but ME1 would have to rebuild from the ground up to adapt a new gameplay design. The game running smoothly would make up for it. It is an old game after all. |
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2018 16:38:28 GMT
Tfw a God of War game is more of an RPG worthy of comparison to Witcher 3 than a Bioware game. God of war? An RPG? 😂 |
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Post by smilesja on Apr 26, 2018 16:45:25 GMT
Tfw a God of War game is more of an RPG worthy of comparison to Witcher 3 than a Bioware game. GOW is an RPG? |
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2018 16:48:52 GMT
Tfw a God of War game is more of an RPG worthy of comparison to Witcher 3 than a Bioware game. GOW is an RPG? About as much as Gears of War is. |
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 26, 2018 17:22:48 GMT
I don't see why you figure including DLC is a given. Unless you mean that it's the major selling point for such a remaster? I guess it depends on what you figure the business case for a remaster is. (Not a fan of leaving ME1's gameplay unaltered myself, but I don't think changing it would pass an ROI test.) Why it wouldn't be...? This isn't Call Of Duty. It's a single player experience repackaged for current gen consoles. I doubt there wouldn't be DLCs included, this ain't Andromeda. Burnout Remastered included all of its packs as well. Me neither, but ME1 would have to rebuild from the ground up to adapt a new gameplay design. The game running smoothly would make up for it. It is an old game after all. We've already had a trilogy release without DLCs. |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 26, 2018 19:15:29 GMT
Why it wouldn't be...? This isn't Call Of Duty. It's a single player experience repackaged for current gen consoles. I doubt there wouldn't be DLCs included, this ain't Andromeda. Burnout Remastered included all of its packs as well. Me neither, but ME1 would have to rebuild from the ground up to adapt a new gameplay design. The game running smoothly would make up for it. It is an old game after all. We've already had a trilogy release without DLCs. What part of remaster you can't understand? It's not a bundle. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 20:27:58 GMT
We've already had a trilogy release without DLCs. What part of remaster you can't understand? It's not a bundle. There were some changes made from the original 3 individual games to the Trilogy on the Xbox to the point that the games I installed on the Xbox harddrive from the original discs won't launch from the 'installed games" section with the newer Trilogy disc in the drive. The game will run from the dsic drive throughout. Also, there's different bugs. For example, in ME3 on the Trilogy discs, I regularly pick up items that are not added to my inventory; whereas they never fail to go into my inventory when I use the original disc in the drive (and run from the installed version on the hard drive). My understanding is that the Trilogy Xbox discs are actually using the PC port programming. So, on the Xbox at least, I would say it is a remaster. |
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2018 20:40:49 GMT
What part of remaster you can't understand? It's not a bundle. There were some changes made from the original 3 individual games to the Trilogy on the Xbox to the point that the games I installed on the Xbox harddrive from the original discs won't launch from the 'installed games" section with the newer Trilogy disc in the drive. The game will run from the dsic drive throughout. Also, there's different bugs. For example, in ME3 on the Trilogy discs, I regularly pick up items that are not added to my inventory; whereas they never fail to go into my inventory when I use the original disc in the drive (and run from the installed version on the hard drive). My understanding is that the Trilogy Xbox discs are actually using the PC port programming. So, on the Xbox at least, I would say it is a remaster. And if you put them on the one no disc needed. Still funny that it says to switch disks on ME 2 and 3 though then goes away. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 20:52:08 GMT
There were some changes made from the original 3 individual games to the Trilogy on the Xbox to the point that the games I installed on the Xbox harddrive from the original discs won't launch from the 'installed games" section with the newer Trilogy disc in the drive. The game will run from the dsic drive throughout. Also, there's different bugs. For example, in ME3 on the Trilogy discs, I regularly pick up items that are not added to my inventory; whereas they never fail to go into my inventory when I use the original disc in the drive (and run from the installed version on the hard drive). My understanding is that the Trilogy Xbox discs are actually using the PC port programming. So, on the Xbox at least, I would say it is a remaster. And if you put them on the one no disc needed. Still funny that it says to switch disks on ME 2 and 3 though then goes away. Yeah, that has to do with the backwards compatibility. The Trilogy was released as an entire Trilogy long before it became backwards compatible with the Xbox One. They did ME1 almost right away, but it took, I think, a couple of years before 2-disc games were made backwards compatible. I always felt that if they were going to do an extensive remaster, they should have done it during that period when Microsoft appeared to be having issues with getting 2-disc games onto the Xbone. I do understand how PS4 users feel and support a remaster for that reason. What gets me is that most are not actually asking for a mere remaster. They actually are lobbying for a remake/rewrite under the guise of a remaster. |
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2018 21:02:04 GMT
And if you put them on the one no disc needed. Still funny that it says to switch disks on ME 2 and 3 though then goes away. Yeah, that has to do with the backwards compatibility. The Trilogy was released as an entire Trilogy long before it became backwards compatible with the Xbox One. They did ME1 almost right away, but it took, I think, a couple of years before 2-disc games were made backwards compatible. I always felt that if they were going to do an extensive remaster, they should have done it during that period when Microsoft appeared to be having issues with getting 2-disc games onto the Xbone. I do understand how PS4 users feel and support a remaster for that reason. What gets me is that most are not actually asking for a mere remaster. They actually are lobbying for a remake/rewrite under the guise of a remaster. Yup. I’m not lobbying for a remake nor a rewrite. I just think too many issues exits (gameplay and technical issues) in ME1 to simply do a spit and polish remaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 21:17:57 GMT
Yeah, that has to do with the backwards compatibility. The Trilogy was released as an entire Trilogy long before it became backwards compatible with the Xbox One. They did ME1 almost right away, but it took, I think, a couple of years before 2-disc games were made backwards compatible. I always felt that if they were going to do an extensive remaster, they should have done it during that period when Microsoft appeared to be having issues with getting 2-disc games onto the Xbone. I do understand how PS4 users feel and support a remaster for that reason. What gets me is that most are not actually asking for a mere remaster. They actually are lobbying for a remake/rewrite under the guise of a remaster. Yup. I’m not lobbying for a remake nor a rewrite. I just think too many issues exits (gameplay and technical issues) in ME1 to simply do a spit and polish remaster. Yep, that is yet another issue. I do fear that, if they open the Pandora's Box and start with a few changes to combat, etc.; they'll fall into the trap of trying to pacify all the various criticisms the games have collected over the years... and the result would likely be a very watered down Trilogy overall; and I'm willing to bet, most would still be largely unsatisfied with it. If they do a remaster, though they will probably, at the very least, have to update the combat system in ME1. If they can do that without starting to change the story and then just leave ME2 and ME3 alone... sigh... don't know. |
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 26, 2018 21:48:57 GMT
We've already had a trilogy release without DLCs. What part of remaster you can't understand? It's not a bundle. I don't understand the part of "it's a remaster" where it being a remaster makes a difference for including DLCs. |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 26, 2018 21:51:54 GMT
What part of remaster you can't understand? It's not a bundle. There were some changes made from the original 3 individual games to the Trilogy on the Xbox to the point that the games I installed on the Xbox harddrive from the original discs won't launch from the 'installed games" section with the newer Trilogy disc in the drive. The game will run from the dsic drive throughout. Also, there's different bugs. For example, in ME3 on the Trilogy discs, I regularly pick up items that are not added to my inventory; whereas they never fail to go into my inventory when I use the original disc in the drive (and run from the installed version on the hard drive). My understanding is that the Trilogy Xbox discs are actually using the PC port programming. So, on the Xbox at least, I would say it is a remaster. What are you even trying to say here? Is that you want a remaster? No? Backwards compatibility? If yes then they aren't remasters, at all. It's the same game running as if it was working in the 360. You insert one disc, and there's no need to change it later until the game's finished. The games are working as they always did, no changes to the code at all. Now the Xbox One X does remaster the games by itself whenever MS puts a enchanted patch for it, indeed. |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 26, 2018 21:53:31 GMT
What part of remaster you can't understand? It's not a bundle. I don't understand the part of "it's a remaster" where it being a remaster makes a difference for including DLCs. You're just quoting for the sake of quoting, right? From the get-go, I said a remaster would contain the DLC, that's all. Something isn't going through your line. |
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