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Post by Sanunes on Apr 8, 2018 6:04:08 GMT
I think its the biggest mistake of any video game movie by trying to be as close to the original source material as possible. The way I see it is that video games are a medium where a player can spend tens if not hundreds of hours playing and doing things where a movie has to condense all that in about 90min. Also things that players thing are fun and interesting in a video game might translate to being hard to watch in a movie. I think the Tomb Raider movie is a good example, the majority of the movie was fairly good for the part I like the most was the start where it was completely unrelated to the games. When it tried to be closer to the actual games it felt clunky and something they forced into the movie especially the part where it felt like a quicktime event combination of all the major set pieces of the game just went too far.
I think the big thing for Mass Effect will be condensing of the storyline. I could see things like Eden Prime including meeting Liara or merging Feros, Noveria, and Virmire into one stop where instead of the Tholian its more about curing the Genophage. They might even have to reduce the important of Krogan in the storyline just because of the amount of VFX that would be required to get them to work within the movie.
Personally I cannot go too far into what Ready Player One changes, for I never cared for the book so the changes were needed for me to be interested in the movie to begin with.
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Post by guanxi on Apr 8, 2018 7:54:16 GMT
I'd personally turn ME1 into a trilogy of movies. Imo there is simply far too much story/characterization and world building in the original to cram into 90 minutes. I see your point Sanunes and share these views but imo previous video games movies were poor choices for adaptations and where studios created new stories in the case of Assassin's creed they also failed because the new stories poorly reflected the source material. IMO ME1 is one of very few video game stories that would make an excellent series of movies because it's focused, finely-paced, tightly structured in a way that the rest of the series isn't. The incredible depth of this universe's world building is such that the only way to adequately establish it / convey in an effective way is to remain faithful to the original source material using ME1 as a blueprint because ME1 does that so well... using character exposition as a window to the wider universe.
The movie studio's creatives, cast and audience will slowly get to grips with the ins and outs of the source material's character-relationships, locations, technology, cultures, geo-politics, etc. during this developmental period in establishing the movie franchise much in the same way BioWare themselves built an understanding of the universe during ME1's development.
Hopefully it will provide the same solid platform/foundation and launching pad for original movies that follow that really start to explore new ideas in the setting in a way that takes full advantage of the format and on-screen chemistry of the cast nurtured over the years reminiscent of the character development of the actual Normandy cast. This is when all that hard works starts to pay off with a strongly developed ensemble cast which the audience is massively invested in with the constraints of the reaper trilogy lifted and near endless storytelling possibilities in the coolest sci fi setting ever imo. if the studio play their cards right like Marvel will be sitting on an frickin' goldmine. Could be bigger than the Avengers imo. Imagine the Garrus and Wrex lunchboxes, toys, legos, Tali plushies, etc.
I'd lead the audience (much like the Council) to believe the 'original movie trilogy' is the end of the Reaper plot and proceed make many fantastic original movies staring the Normandy crew grounded in and faithful to the established characterisation and relationships... BEFORE eventually wrapping up the movie franchise with the return of the Reapers many years/decades later sort of like the infinity war movies. Kick that can down the road indefinitely and have fun while your doing it realising some of that untapped series potential. If some mad man EVENTUALLY wants to try and remake ME2 into a motion picture after I'm dead that's their business.
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Post by guanxi on Apr 8, 2018 8:14:35 GMT
If we must revisit ME2-3 at some point I'd personally re-work the plot completely getting rid of the ridiculously stupid and forced death of Shepard and covering some of the expanded lore such as Leviathan, Shadow Broker, A House Divided, etc in separate movies. I'd tie Geth more closely into the central narrative by making the Shadow Broker a front for the Geth - it makes much more sense imo as a galactic-wide front the Geth use in order to study/observe/monitor, trade and conduct diplomacy with the rest of the Galaxy while being shunned by organics. The Geth/Shadow Broker movie would be heavily centered around Legion. I'd point to the Geth's willingness to integrate with galactic society as a reason why they and this cycle is unique. Geth were not a created intelligence, their consciousness evolved organically like ours which is why the Reaper's assumptions are flawed in the case of this cycle.
ME3 made some profound mistakes with the Geth which undermined the central narrative. No true Geth would ever accept the Reaper code imo as it criminally undermines Chris E'toile's work in ME2 and the series underlying theme of triumph over adversity in the face of overwhelming odds not through submission but through mutual co-operation and self-determination. I'd replace the ill-fitting Deus Ex machina catalyst with a Sovereign like exchange with Harbinger... Shepard's final act in defiance of Harbinger would be to reject synthesis (a forced co-operation Shepard already rejected when 'Saren' proposed it) by rigging the crucible to explode believing the only obstacle to breaking the cycle is over-coming our nature (i.e. natural distrust, self-interest - mental not physical): Belief alone that everlasting peace is possible is the solution and we as organics and synthetics together must be prepared to risk life itself to protect our universally shared ideals - our consequences and our fates belong to us not the self-appointed masters of the universe. That's the moral of the story which was butchered back in 2012, and why ME3's ending felt like such a fundamental mis-understanding of the established themes of their own franchise a betrayal of the Shepard character.
You could fundamentally re-work/re-structure the story of ME2/3 and still do the Cerberus/Collector b-plot separately in parallel by re-working Jacob as the protagonist of the Cerberus SR2 in a Cerberus spin-off series with Miranda as his partner/love-interest. A Cerberus spin-off could involve Miranda and Jacob tracking down and convincing Jack, Thane, Mordin, .etc. to join the Cerberus suicide mission which could be it's own movie. Eventually tackling the plot of Sanctuary/Cerberus HQ (i.e. Shepard/SR1 vs. Cerberus) could be done in a standalone crossover movie where Miranda & Jacob, et al. become allies of Shepard in his fight to take down the very clearly Indoctrinated Illusive Man during the Reaper war.
Fan favorite moments like Garrus becoming a vigilante on Omega, Tali on Haestrom/Exile, etc. loosely connected to the Reaper plot could be expanded into standalone movies prior to the arrival of the Reapers.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 8, 2018 10:18:49 GMT
I'd be fine with it simply staying in development hell where it belongs, but really, I think the big screen is a terrible place for it anyway. The serial format is so much stronger for a vast universe, and allows development of a much larger cast of characters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 10:56:02 GMT
First a question - Why is this doing in the Andromeda section? This should probably get combined with the thread already asking about a Mass Effect movie or TV show in the MET Discussion section.
I posted to that thread. IMO, Andromeda is far better suited for a movie than the old Trilogy. The story is wide open at the point the game left off. Ryder's personality is less variable and how that personality might evolve as Ryder gains experience is also completely wide open. There is also a Ryder of each gender regardless of which one the player's chose as their pathfinder and both are awake and ready for further action at the end of ME:A. As I've posted before, the story could easily be primed to take us back to the Milky Way at some point... so why not in a movie that sets up a next ME game (a new Trilogy) in the Milky Way with a more Shepard-like character and a return to the variability of the old paragon/renegade system? As best I can see - it would be a win/win for everyone. Putting a particular Shepard and particular Trilogy choices defeats the purpose of replaying those games because you'll no longer feel like you can create your own Shepard and make your own choices.
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Post by sil on Apr 8, 2018 11:44:17 GMT
ME1 should never be a film, it should be a tv show. There are too many threads going on to tie it down into a 2hr film (more likely 1hr 30min, as they like to keep them short for more viewings a day in the cinema).
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 8, 2018 13:33:57 GMT
ME1 should never be a film, it should be a tv show. There are too many threads going on to tie it down into a 2hr film (more likely 1hr 30min, as they like to keep them short for more viewings a day in the cinema). Great. It's going to feature every choice you would never make. Still want that show?
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Post by cypherj on Apr 8, 2018 13:59:56 GMT
I think it would be better as a Netflix series or something. You could flesh out everything a lot more. Making it a movie, especially one movie would just rely too much on the audience having played the games. I recently watched Altered Carbon on Netflix, and I can't see them having tried to cram all of that into a two-hour movie. Conversely, look at Bright, that could have been much better if it were a series and they had fleshed it out more.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 8, 2018 14:49:41 GMT
Altered Carbon wasn't a choose your own adventure book so it worked fine. ME has a lot of player choice in it that would entirely be tossed out the window to cater to straight white men and feature women in tight-fitting catsuits with plenty of ass shots. I'll pass, though I'm sure it's exactly what you want.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 8, 2018 15:35:19 GMT
Altered Carbon wasn't a choose your own adventure book so it worked fine. ME has a lot of player choice in it that would entirely be tossed out the window to cater to straight white men and feature women in tight-fitting catsuits with plenty of ass shots. I'll pass, though I'm sure it's exactly what you want. Exactly what ass shots and catsuits were in ME1, please enlighten me. Honestly, how much of any of what you said was in ME1? If we're talking about putting ME1 on screen or big screen, not much player choice would need to be ignored. - Eden Prime - Will play out the same regardless. - Shepard goes back to the Citadel, confronts Saren, Saren walks. Shepard becomes a Spectre. Nothing changes here. - You meet a C-Sec officer named Garrus who is investigating Saren - nothing changes here. - A Quarian named Tali has the evidence implicating Saren - nothing changes here. - Wrex you can just throw in. I doubt people who didn't recruit Wrex in the game would be out with torches if he's put into the party. - You then find out about a Protean scientist, the daughter of Benezia and you go recruit Liara. Nothing changes here. - Noveria - the only choice her is the Rachni Queen, but since that decision has no bearing on the events of ME1, all you need to do it fight Rachni and escape. One of the changes the topic creator is asking about. - Feros - Fight some controlled, zombie-like colonists, fight the Thorian, get the cypher from the Asari and leave. Nothing changes here. - Virmire - THIS is the only mission in the game where there could be issues. Wrex, Kaiden and Ashley. I couldn't find any stats on how many people killed Wrex, but from the stats they provided after ME3, Kaiden was only alive in 17% of games. So going with Ashley is not going to alienate a huge portion of the fanbase, if you wanted a death for emotional impact. Or they could just not kill anyone. I'd go with the former though. - Ilos - Nothing would change on Ilos, you would land, fight your way through, talk to Vigil, and go through the conduit. - Battle of the Citadel - Nothing much changes. Saving the council or not has no bearing on the end of the movie, and not much came out of it anyway. So you don't even have to address it, just have a huge fight scene with everyone fighting Sovereign. Shepard defeats Saren, Sovereign is defeated, reapers are thwarted, big celebration, end of the movie, credits roll. Doing the series would be problematic, but ME1, not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 15:57:40 GMT
Altered Carbon wasn't a choose your own adventure book so it worked fine. ME has a lot of player choice in it that would entirely be tossed out the window to cater to straight white men and feature women in tight-fitting catsuits with plenty of ass shots. I'll pass, though I'm sure it's exactly what you want. Exactly what ass shots and catsuits were in ME1, please enlighten me. Honestly, how much of any of what you said was in ME1? If we're talking about putting ME1 on screen or big screen, not much player choice would need to be ignored. - Eden Prime - Will play out the same regardless. - Shepard goes back to the Citadel, confronts Saren, Saren walks. Shepard becomes a Spectre. Nothing changes here. - You meet a C-Sec officer named Garrus who is investigating Saren - nothing changes here. - A Quarian named Tali has the evidence implicating Saren - nothing changes here. - Wrex you can just throw in. I doubt people who didn't recruit Wrex in the game would be out with torches if he's put into the party. - You then find out about a Protean scientist, the daughter of Benezia and you go recruit Liara. Nothing changes here. - Noveria - the only choice her is the Rachni Queen, but since that decision has no bearing on the events of ME1, all you need to do it fight Rachni and escape. One of the changes the topic creator is asking about. - Feros - Fight some controlled, zombie-like colonists, fight the Thorian, get the cypher from the Asari and leave. Nothing changes here. - Virmire - THIS is the only mission in the game where there could be issues. Wrex, Kaiden and Ashley. I couldn't find any stats on how many people killed Wrex, but from the stats they provided after ME3, Kaiden was only alive in 17% of games. So going with Ashley is not going to alienate a huge portion of the fanbase, if you wanted a death for emotional impact. Or they could just not kill anyone. I'd go with the former though. - Ilos - Nothing would change on Ilos, you would land, fight your way through, talk to Vigil, and go through the conduit. - Battle of the Citadel - Nothing much changes. Saving the council or not has no bearing on the end of the movie, and not much came out of it anyway. So you don't even have to address it, just have a huge fight scene with everyone fighting Sovereign. Shepard defeats Saren, Sovereign is defeated, reapers are thwarted, big celebration, end of the movie, credits roll. Doing the series would be problematic, but ME1, not so much. What gender of Shepard are you going to present? What side of Shepard's character are you intending to present... Paragon who shows the upmost respect to his/her superiors (including the Council) ... and all the Renegade lovers get upset. Renegade who lips off to everyone... and that situation is reversed but doesn't disappear. What about whether or not Shepard likes aliens vs. one who is a total racist (the reason why some who left Wrex off their squad might be upset if he were just thrown in as you suggest). To avoid committing Shepard to being straight or gay, you'd almost have to avoid all love interest in the movie... not something that generally goes over too well. I don't think a "majority" rules approach to who survives on Virmire solves anything either. Whatever way a movie does it, that becomes canon... so the only way to play the game after that is to play it exactly how the movie did... which defeats the purpose of the games and wipes out a remake... unless you turn the Trilogy into an Action shooter with no choices to make.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 8, 2018 15:59:24 GMT
Exactly what ass shots and catsuits were in ME1, please enlighten me. Chora's Den and the Consort, I guess.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Apr 8, 2018 16:04:43 GMT
You would think people would have realized by now that there is a core, fundamental reason why video games don't work as movie adaptations.
Other than to make money, of course.
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Post by guanxi on Apr 8, 2018 16:13:19 GMT
You would think people would have realized by now that there is a core, fundamental reason why video games don't work as movie adaptations. Other than to make money, of course.They said that about comic book movies until somebody figured out how to do them and now we have nothing but fucking comic book movies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 16:25:16 GMT
You would think people would have realized by now that there is a core, fundamental reason why video games don't work as movie adaptations. Other than to make money, of course.They said that about comic book movies until somebody figured out how to do them and now we have nothing but fucking comic book movies. Comic books never gave us choices and never let us shape the personality of the principal character. Heck, you all hated Ryder not being made in the "image" of Shepard. Are you honestly going to not complain if they take Shepard and write his/her personality in some way different from who you envision your Shepard to be like? I really doubt it. ... BTW... Dick Tracy made his film debut in 1937 (source Wikipedia)... Movies based on comic book/strip characters have been around for a long, long time.
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Post by guanxi on Apr 8, 2018 16:34:29 GMT
They said that about comic book movies until somebody figured out how to do them and now we have nothing but fucking comic book movies. Comic books never gave us choices and never let us shape the personality of the principal character. Shepard became increasingly author defined as the series went on and practically no choice in the entire series other than the final one fundamentally altered the narrative structure or ending and even then it's only implied. Comic book movies constantly retell the same story beats while redefine-ing the character's personalty in practically every reboot and people lap that shit up... is Zack Schneider's interpretation of Superman not a complete re-imagining of the principal character?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 16:41:26 GMT
Comic books never gave us choices and never let us shape the personality of the principal character. Shepard became increasingly author defined as the series went on and practically no choice in the entire series other than the final one fundamentally altered the narrative structure or ending and even then it's only implied. Comic book movies constantly retell the same story beats while redefine-ing the character's personalty in practically every reboot and people lap that shit up, i.e. Zack Schneider's Superman movies? ... but Superman was never the player's character. They redefine another author's character when they redefine a comic character... They don't redefine their audience's character. Big difference.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 8, 2018 16:41:30 GMT
Exactly what ass shots and catsuits were in ME1, please enlighten me. Honestly, how much of any of what you said was in ME1? If we're talking about putting ME1 on screen or big screen, not much player choice would need to be ignored. - Eden Prime - Will play out the same regardless. - Shepard goes back to the Citadel, confronts Saren, Saren walks. Shepard becomes a Spectre. Nothing changes here. - You meet a C-Sec officer named Garrus who is investigating Saren - nothing changes here. - A Quarian named Tali has the evidence implicating Saren - nothing changes here. - Wrex you can just throw in. I doubt people who didn't recruit Wrex in the game would be out with torches if he's put into the party. - You then find out about a Protean scientist, the daughter of Benezia and you go recruit Liara. Nothing changes here. - Noveria - the only choice her is the Rachni Queen, but since that decision has no bearing on the events of ME1, all you need to do it fight Rachni and escape. One of the changes the topic creator is asking about. - Feros - Fight some controlled, zombie-like colonists, fight the Thorian, get the cypher from the Asari and leave. Nothing changes here. - Virmire - THIS is the only mission in the game where there could be issues. Wrex, Kaiden and Ashley. I couldn't find any stats on how many people killed Wrex, but from the stats they provided after ME3, Kaiden was only alive in 17% of games. So going with Ashley is not going to alienate a huge portion of the fanbase, if you wanted a death for emotional impact. Or they could just not kill anyone. I'd go with the former though. - Ilos - Nothing would change on Ilos, you would land, fight your way through, talk to Vigil, and go through the conduit. - Battle of the Citadel - Nothing much changes. Saving the council or not has no bearing on the end of the movie, and not much came out of it anyway. So you don't even have to address it, just have a huge fight scene with everyone fighting Sovereign. Shepard defeats Saren, Sovereign is defeated, reapers are thwarted, big celebration, end of the movie, credits roll. Doing the series would be problematic, but ME1, not so much. What gender of Shepard are you going to present? What side of Shepard's character are you intending to present... Paragon who shows the upmost respect to his/her superiors (including the Council) ... and all the Renegade lovers get upset. Renegade who lips off to everyone... and that situation is reversed but doesn't disappear. What about whether or not Shepard likes aliens vs. one who is a total racist (the reason why some who left Wrex off their squad might be upset if he were just thrown in as you suggest). To avoid committing Shepard to being straight or gay, you'd almost have to avoid all love interest in the movie... not something that generally goes over too well. I don't think a "majority" rules approach to who survives on Virmire solves anything either. Whatever way a movie does it, that becomes canon... so the only way to play the game after that is to play it exactly how the movie did... which defeats the purpose of the games and wipes out a remake... unless you turn the Trilogy into an Action shooter with no choices to make. 82% of people played male Shepard, I doubt that would cause any problems, which means that 82% either didn't romance anyone, or romanced either Liara or Ashley. Npwadays you can almost guarantee some sort of Ashley/Liara/Shepard love triangle. The movie wouldn't succeed with players alone anyway. It would obviously have to be mainstreamed. The tons of people who played and liked these games, that don't comment on forums are not going to bring out the torches and pitchforks if Shepard is not xenophobic, or if Ashley survives on Virmire. An entire squad was forced on you in ME2 because they were the only ones that could do what they do, but all were replaced with stand ins in ME3 to achieve the same results. If they could do that and not have the house burn down, they can tweak the story for a movie. If they released the trilogy after the movie for new fans that were brought in by the movie, those new people are going to make their choices in the game and not give a thought to what happened in the movie.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 8, 2018 16:44:39 GMT
You would think people would have realized by now that there is a core, fundamental reason why video games don't work as movie adaptations. Other than to make money, of course.They said that about comic book movies until somebody figured out how to do them and now we have nothing but fucking comic book movies. I think video game movies are cursed. As of now, every single one has blown chunks for some reason or another and there seems to be no hope of that changing. It jiggers the imagination that Castlevania is the only decent one, but that's an animated series on Netflix, and so far we only got a few episodes and that can eventually suck too. And honestly, I think an animated series is the only way Mass Effect could be adapted and not turn out a shitshow. It will instantly solve the problem of having to get actors that can both look the part and can act (I have no hope of a live action movie accomplishing this), and get around any finicky FX issues of the aliens themselves. And as I said before, a series will not be hamstrung by the compressed viewing time of just 2+ measly hours. That being said, Mass Effect's core plot, if we're really looking for something remotely logical and cohesive for a motion picture, is actually kind of terrible. The entire reaper plot part is kind of broken, because it makes no sense. Honestly, in a Mass Effect movie, the reapers would probably work out better if the 50K year cycle was canned altogether, because it's nonsense. But it being a core bit of the trilogy makes that tough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 16:54:30 GMT
What gender of Shepard are you going to present? What side of Shepard's character are you intending to present... Paragon who shows the upmost respect to his/her superiors (including the Council) ... and all the Renegade lovers get upset. Renegade who lips off to everyone... and that situation is reversed but doesn't disappear. What about whether or not Shepard likes aliens vs. one who is a total racist (the reason why some who left Wrex off their squad might be upset if he were just thrown in as you suggest). To avoid committing Shepard to being straight or gay, you'd almost have to avoid all love interest in the movie... not something that generally goes over too well. I don't think a "majority" rules approach to who survives on Virmire solves anything either. Whatever way a movie does it, that becomes canon... so the only way to play the game after that is to play it exactly how the movie did... which defeats the purpose of the games and wipes out a remake... unless you turn the Trilogy into an Action shooter with no choices to make. 82% of people played male Shepard, I doubt that would cause any problems, which means that 82% either didn't romance anyone, or romanced either Liara or Ashley. Npwadays you can almost guarantee some sort of Ashley/Liara/Shepard love triangle. The movie wouldn't succeed with players alone anyway. It would obviously have to be mainstreamed. The tons of people who played and liked these games, that don't comment on forums are not going to bring out the torches and pitchforks if Shepard is not xenophobic, or if Ashley survives on Virmire. An entire squad was forced on you in ME2 because they were the only ones that could do what they do, but all were replaced with stand ins in ME3 to achieve the same results. If they could do that and not have the house burn down, they can tweak the story for a movie. If they released the trilogy after the movie for new fans that were brought in by the movie, those new people are going to make their choices in the game and not give a thought to what happened in the movie. I sincerley doubt that. People currently shape Geralt to the books. They don't ignore the books; and Geralt's base personality has never been has changeable as Shepard. There's a reason why. If CDPR allowed his character to be that changeable, it wouldn't be The Witcher at all. With Mass Effect, the principle of being able to create Shepards who are the polar opposite of each other was THE THING about the game. Take that away, and you really don't have much of a game at all (as all you ME:A critics have been adamantly pointing about ME:A for a year now). I know some people still think the ME1 story is perfect in every way, but it's not and it's not even really much of a story. A movie written as described earlier without any real character development would be, IMO, boring as hell.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 8, 2018 17:13:01 GMT
82% of people played male Shepard, I doubt that would cause any problems, which means that 82% either didn't romance anyone, or romanced either Liara or Ashley. Npwadays you can almost guarantee some sort of Ashley/Liara/Shepard love triangle. The movie wouldn't succeed with players alone anyway. It would obviously have to be mainstreamed. The tons of people who played and liked these games, that don't comment on forums are not going to bring out the torches and pitchforks if Shepard is not xenophobic, or if Ashley survives on Virmire. An entire squad was forced on you in ME2 because they were the only ones that could do what they do, but all were replaced with stand ins in ME3 to achieve the same results. If they could do that and not have the house burn down, they can tweak the story for a movie. If they released the trilogy after the movie for new fans that were brought in by the movie, those new people are going to make their choices in the game and not give a thought to what happened in the movie. I sincerley doubt that. People currently shape Geralt to the books. They don't ignore the books; and Geralt's base personality has never been has changeable as Shepard. There's a reason why. If CDPR allowed his character to be that changeable, it wouldn't be The Witcher at all. With Mass Effect, the principle of being able to create Shepards who are the polar opposite of each other was THE THING about the game. Take that away, and you really don't have much of a game at all. I know some people still think the ME1 story is perfect in every way, but it's not and it's not even really much of a story. A movie written as described earlier without any real character development would be, IMO, boring as hell. So you're honestly saying someone who watches this movie, goes and buys the game is going to not want to continue playing the game because it doesn't match the movie. I seriously doubt that. And the ME1 would be pretty simple. Reapers destroyed the galaxy in the past and they're coming back to do it again. It's not returning threat after thousands of years has never been done before. They need to do X.Y. & Z and Saren is helping them. Shepard deals with Saren the for most of the series, Sovereign comes in near the end on Virmire, and there's a huge battle outside the Citadel at the end. Things look bleak for the MW races. Shepard reaches deep down, stops Saren, Sovereign is defeated soon after. Reapers have no other way to return, so that's it. I've seen the stuff they put out nowadays. Sadly, it doesn't take much to make money. As long as the biotics and the alien races don't look cheesy, it would work fine. You never going to please everyone, I've never seen a perfect fan score for a movie. Some choices are more popular than others by a wide margin, and even out of those who are in the minority, how many are actually going to swear off the franchise because Shepard saved Ashley instead of Kaiden on Virmire?
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Post by guanxi on Apr 8, 2018 17:24:39 GMT
82% of people played male Shepard, I doubt that would cause any problems, which means that 82% either didn't romance anyone, or romanced either Liara or Ashley. Npwadays you can almost guarantee some sort of Ashley/Liara/Shepard love triangle. The movie wouldn't succeed with players alone anyway. It would obviously have to be mainstreamed. The tons of people who played and liked these games, that don't comment on forums are not going to bring out the torches and pitchforks if Shepard is not xenophobic, or if Ashley survives on Virmire. An entire squad was forced on you in ME2 because they were the only ones that could do what they do, but all were replaced with stand ins in ME3 to achieve the same results. If they could do that and not have the house burn down, they can tweak the story for a movie. If they released the trilogy after the movie for new fans that were brought in by the movie, those new people are going to make their choices in the game and not give a thought to what happened in the movie. I sincerley doubt that. People currently shape Geralt to the books. They don't ignore the books; and Geralt's base personality has never been has changeable as Shepard. There's a reason why. If CDPR allowed his character to be that changeable, it wouldn't be The Witcher at all. With Mass Effect, the principle of being able to create Shepards who are the polar opposite of each other was THE THING about the game. Take that away, and you really don't have much of a game at all (as all you ME:A critics have been adamantly pointing about ME:A for a year now). I know some people still think the ME1 story is perfect in every way, but it's not and it's not even really much of a story. A movie written as described earlier without any real character development would be, IMO, boring as hell. A ME1 movie would lack character development, are you mad? If you thought Garrus and Tali were under-written in ME1 fair enough but that needn't be the case in a reworked movie adaptation that draws influence from the entire trilogy. Ashley's character transformation from practically full-renegade to full-paragon is fucking amazing... she will defend the council in the end and explain that she understands the perspectives of alien species who think of humanity as reckless and dangerous. Wrex like Jack has a lot of hidden depth that only reveals itself if you invest time and energy in that character relationship. Sure the interaction of the squad compared to ME3 is stilted and forced but the potential to draw from the entire trilogy in the hands of capable screen writers would elevate the source material to another level entirely. The central plot of ME2 and ME3 is much weaker than ME1 and would need to be heavily reworked for a big budget studio picture but wouldn't it be fun seeing a very different story come to life involving beloved characters brought to life once again in new and exciting scenarios? As a massive fan of the series I can't bare to see it die like this and people thinking of Andromeda when they think of Mass Effect which is the final insult.
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Post by simit on Apr 8, 2018 17:46:55 GMT
I liked the Assassins Creed movie, i really enjoyed Warcraft an i like the Final Fantasy spin off films an i honestly dont care what anyones opinions are on them least of all critics.
If they, emphasis on the if, made a movie "based" of ME1 i couldn't care less the gender/colour etc etc they make Shephard aslong as who they choose could act an there lines were half decent, just like i couldn't care if, for whatever reason they made him/her paragon/renegade but tbh that shouldn't even be included in a movie they should just portray a soldier trying to do there job an either making the right or wrong call.
As previously stated i think ME would/could be better served on television but i certainly wouldn't dismiss watching a movie based of it just cause they never took my shephard an his/her choices into account, thats just absurd
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 8, 2018 18:20:19 GMT
If they do ever make a Mass Effect movie, I think instead of the games it instead be based on something else like the First Contact War.
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