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Post by alanc9 on Apr 8, 2018 20:02:27 GMT
You'd need to rewrite the FCW so it doesn't fizzle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 20:19:51 GMT
I sincerley doubt that. People currently shape Geralt to the books. They don't ignore the books; and Geralt's base personality has never been has changeable as Shepard. There's a reason why. If CDPR allowed his character to be that changeable, it wouldn't be The Witcher at all. With Mass Effect, the principle of being able to create Shepards who are the polar opposite of each other was THE THING about the game. Take that away, and you really don't have much of a game at all (as all you ME:A critics have been adamantly pointing about ME:A for a year now). I know some people still think the ME1 story is perfect in every way, but it's not and it's not even really much of a story. A movie written as described earlier without any real character development would be, IMO, boring as hell. A ME1 movie would lack character development, are you mad? If you thought Garrus and Tali were under-written in ME1 fair enough but that needn't be the case in a reworked movie adaptation that draws influence from the entire trilogy. Ashley's character transformation from practically full-renegade to full-paragon is fucking amazing... she will defend the council in the end and explain that she understands the perspectives of alien species who think of humanity as reckless and dangerous. Wrex like Jack has a lot of hidden depth that only reveals itself if you invest time and energy in that character relationship. Sure the interaction of the squad compared to ME3 is stilted and forced but the potential to draw from the entire trilogy in the hands of capable screen writers would elevate the source material to another level entirely. The central plot of ME2 and ME3 is much weaker than ME1 and would need to be heavily reworked for a big budget studio picture but wouldn't it be fun seeing a very different story come to life involving beloved characters brought to life once again in new and exciting scenarios? As a massive fan of the series I can't bare to see it die like this and people thinking of Andromeda when they think of Mass Effect which is the final insult. The prnciple character is Shepard. The principle character development in ME1 is done by the player. Sure, do a side backstory movie about Garrus or Tali then and leave Shepard out of it. Would work better as a movie and not interfere with the PC at all. It still would probably be boring and a mediocre movie at best... but at least it would leave the ME Trilogy story fluid. I still say the better move would be to do ME:A2 as movie, close the plot lines they've left open, and bring the future story back to the Milky Way. We get a new Shepard-like PC, a new story, some cool new tech imported from Andromeda, the old Trilogy is left unscathed. ME:A lovers like me get a little closure; but we are probably not going to get anal about changes being made to Ryder's personality in a movie (since he/she has got some growing up to do yet)... and, if you're to be believed, we are few and far between anyways. Since it's a movie, it shouldn't carry the same imagined "taint" as a sequel game would. Presumeably, the writers for the movie script would not be the same as the writers for a game, so a ME:A movie has an equal chance of being well written as any other ME show. The only thing it doesn't get... is the declaration of Renegade Male Shep as canon and Destroy as the canon ending to the Trilogy... but "your side" should be willing to make that little compromise for the good of the franchise, eh? ... and on that note, I've said everything I want to say on this topic. Bye.
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Post by guanxi on Apr 8, 2018 20:45:52 GMT
A ME1 movie would lack character development, are you mad? If you thought Garrus and Tali were under-written in ME1 fair enough but that needn't be the case in a reworked movie adaptation that draws influence from the entire trilogy. Ashley's character transformation from practically full-renegade to full-paragon is fucking amazing... she will defend the council in the end and explain that she understands the perspectives of alien species who think of humanity as reckless and dangerous. Wrex like Jack has a lot of hidden depth that only reveals itself if you invest time and energy in that character relationship. Sure the interaction of the squad compared to ME3 is stilted and forced but the potential to draw from the entire trilogy in the hands of capable screen writers would elevate the source material to another level entirely. The central plot of ME2 and ME3 is much weaker than ME1 and would need to be heavily reworked for a big budget studio picture but wouldn't it be fun seeing a very different story come to life involving beloved characters brought to life once again in new and exciting scenarios? As a massive fan of the series I can't bare to see it die like this and people thinking of Andromeda when they think of Mass Effect which is the final insult. The prnciple character is Shepard. The principle character development in ME1 is done by the player. Sure, do a side backstory movie about Garrus or Tali then and leave Shepard out of it. Would work better as a movie and not interfere with the PC at all. It still would probably be boring and a mediocre movie at best... but at least it would leave the ME Trilogy story fluid. I still say the better move would be to do ME:A2 as movie, close the plot lines they've left open, and bring the future story back to the Milky Way. We get a new Shepard-like PC, a new story, some cool new tech imported from Andromeda, the old Trilogy is left unscathed. ME:A lovers like me get a little closure (but we are probably not going to get anal about changes being made to Ryder's personality in a movie (since he/she has got some growing up to do yet)... and, if you're to be believed, we are few and far between anyways. Since it's a movie, it should carry the same imagined "taint" as a sequel game would. Presumeably, the writers for the movie script would not be the same as the writers for a game, so an ME:A movie has an equal chance of being well written as any other ME show. The only thing it doesn't get... is the declaration of Renegade Male Shep as canon and Destroy as the canon ending to the Trilogy. You're thinking about the story from the perspective of a single character which is completely the wrong way to think about a move or tv series adaptation - it's a completely different animal. While a protagonist in film is usually an audience stand in the difficulty in translating video games to movies and why I think Mass Effect is possibly the strongest candidate is because it's so character driven by a very strong cast of very colorful memorable characters with very different and contrasting personalities, it doesn't depend principally on a single protagonist but an ensemble cast united in a single cause that grow and change and have their own motivations and experiences which is the core strength of this series. The importance and screen time of Shepard would naturally be scaled down dramatically in favor of developing the entire cast of the Mass Effect series. There's no Shepard without Vakarian. The moment Mass Effect abandoned it's wider character focus in favor of focusing the weight of the narrative burden on Shepard for the ending it all fell apart didn't it? Funny that if not entirely predictable in it's undermining of decades of literary & visual story telling convention.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 8, 2018 20:51:39 GMT
As much as I’d love this it’s the wrong series to turn into a movie. Way too much player choice would be ignored. There is just too much to cram into a 2 or 2 1/2 hour movie and making one game into 3 movies isn’t a good idea either.
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Post by sil on Apr 8, 2018 21:25:26 GMT
I'd be quite happy if they made another film like Paragon Lost. I enjoyed that, I'd just prefer if it was more consistent with established lore (like having no gigantic collectors). It was better than I had expected.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 21:57:59 GMT
The prnciple character is Shepard. The principle character development in ME1 is done by the player. Sure, do a side backstory movie about Garrus or Tali then and leave Shepard out of it. Would work better as a movie and not interfere with the PC at all. It still would probably be boring and a mediocre movie at best... but at least it would leave the ME Trilogy story fluid. I still say the better move would be to do ME:A2 as movie, close the plot lines they've left open, and bring the future story back to the Milky Way. We get a new Shepard-like PC, a new story, some cool new tech imported from Andromeda, the old Trilogy is left unscathed. ME:A lovers like me get a little closure (but we are probably not going to get anal about changes being made to Ryder's personality in a movie (since he/she has got some growing up to do yet)... and, if you're to be believed, we are few and far between anyways. Since it's a movie, it should carry the same imagined "taint" as a sequel game would. Presumeably, the writers for the movie script would not be the same as the writers for a game, so an ME:A movie has an equal chance of being well written as any other ME show. The only thing it doesn't get... is the declaration of Renegade Male Shep as canon and Destroy as the canon ending to the Trilogy. You're thinking about the story from the perspective of a single character which is completely the wrong way to think about a move or tv series adaptation - it's a completely different animal. While a protagonist in film is usually an audience stand in the difficulty in translating video games to movies and why I think Mass Effect is possibly the strongest candidate is because it's so character driven by a very strong cast of very colorful memorable characters with very different and contrasting personalities, it doesn't depend principally on a single protagonist but an ensemble cast united in a single cause that grow and change and have their own motivations and experiences which is the core strength of this series. The importance and screen time of Shepard would naturally be scaled down dramatically in favor of developing the entire cast of the Mass Effect series. There's no Shepard without Vakarian. The moment Mass Effect abandoned it's wider character focus in favor of focusing the weight of the narrative burden on Shepard for the ending it all fell apart didn't it? Funny that if not entirely predictable in it's undermining of decades of literary & visual story telling convention. So, not willing to compromise in any way for the good the series, eh? Didn't think so. You're ignoring the fact that individual players have created very strong yet very different Shepards in ME1 (and this thread is about ME1). A strong cast of characters is lacking in ME1 because, as discussed before, Tali and Garrus and Wrex and Anderson, and Conrad and Liara, etc. were characters better developed in ME2. In ME1, even the Reapers are really only described as "unknowable." Oh, and we know they can send out signals that entrance us. We only really get to know much about them in ME3... and everyone essentially hated to find out they were controlled by a rogue AI boy. Get off your perch. Get over your inane hatred of even temporarily moving out of the Milky Way. Open your eyes to the possibilities that opening up the story to a wider universe opens up possibilities that are endless without "offending" anyone who didn't make the same decisions you did. Andromeda can grow into a story that could be even better than the old Trilogy. It could also connect us to a new Trilogy of endless possibilities.
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Post by river82 on Apr 8, 2018 22:06:29 GMT
No thanks to an Andromeda 2 movie, risky use of resources on a title that had a ... mixed reception (sci fi always expensive). If people need closure, best bet is with a novel (cheap to make).
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Post by Sifr on Apr 8, 2018 22:13:09 GMT
Rather than a Mass Effect movie, why not make "Citadel", the in-universe film they made about Sovereign's attack? That way the audience don't have to worry about it not being "their" Shepard (if they even appear) or "their" decisions being represented (such as saving the Council), because we go into the movie with the conceit this is a fictional retelling of events with some artistic license. But otherwise, a Netflix miniseries in the vein of the Expanse or Altered Carbon would actually be best suited for retelling the events of ME1. The nature of the game's story actually fits more of an episodic format than a film, where things would have to be dropped for the sake of pacing and to fit it within a standard movie run-time of about two hours. Here's even a basic series outline; Ep 1: Eden Prime and the Beacon. Ep 2: The Citadel and Council stonewalling. Ep 3: Exposing Saren and Spectre Induction. Ep 4: Therum and Liara. Ep 5: Feros Part 1 (Robot Wars) Ep 6: Feros Part 2 (Little Shop of Horrors. Ep 7: Noveria Part 1 (Welcome to Hoth) Ep 8: Noveria Part 2 (Starship Troopers) Ep 9: Virmire Part 1 (Operation D-Day) Ep 10: Virmire Part 2 (Saving Private Ryan) Ep 11: Citadel lockdown, hijacking the Normandy. Ep 12: Ilos and Vigil. Ep 13: Sovereign attacks the Citadel.
(Maybe a post-credits stinger of the Collector ship)
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Post by guanxi on Apr 8, 2018 22:13:57 GMT
The potential movie series should be treated as it's own thing. Many compromises will be require in order to make it work as a major motion picture franchise. I'm not precious about any aspect of the mass effect series I would respect it as some guy's vision and either enjoy the ride or depart the station. I wouldn't care if the movie weren't my taste just keeping the series alive is good enough me, eventually somebody with taste and talent will pick up the mantle and start making mass effect material that i enjoy, that's the dying dream.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 22:14:56 GMT
No thanks to an Andromeda 2 movie, risky use of resources on a title that had a ... mixed reception (sci fi always expensive). If people need closure, best bet is with a novel (cheap to make). Fine. Write the novel... make it good and connect Andromeda to a whole new Trilogy in the Milky Way. I'd actually prefer that to a movie. Shepard's personality is still mine to create because he/she is at least 630+ years dead and, in that amount of time, the scourge could undo any evidence of which ending he/she decided on. ETA: Just leave any thought of making ME1 into a movie or TV show in the black abyss it's already been in for the last several years.
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Post by river82 on Apr 8, 2018 22:23:50 GMT
I'd actually prefer that to a movie. Same. With novels the writer is (comparatively) unrestricted in their vision whereas with games and movies they always need to consider what's possible, cost-effective, "you can't create a new location for one scene. Do you know how much that would cost" etc.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 8, 2018 23:09:49 GMT
Regardless of intent, any movie or TV series will be read as canon. Therefore, I have no interest in watching it. I only ever even played ME because I heard I'd be able to romance Kaidan. Sure, I came to enjoy the series on its own merits but that was my hook. Throw that out, and get stuff like "romance that makes sense" bullshit and I'm out. You know how many tough gay guys are actually out there who you'd never suspect but can kick your ass (not talking about guys who work out in the gym all tan, with spray tans and shaved bodies)? A lot more than you think. When I hear the "makes sense" crap and know that will translate into "but BroShep could never be gay/bi because he's such a bad ass" I call bullshit. And it's not just straight guys. Plenty of straight women have decided Kaidan and Jaal were "ruined" for being bisexual.
All of this may seem minor to you but you never grew up in a society that told you your relationship didn't count. So I'm saying no to an adaptation.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 9, 2018 12:46:14 GMT
If MEA did not kill the Mass Effect franchise then a video game movie surely will do the trick.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 9, 2018 13:00:35 GMT
Shepard's death would need to be handled very differently. It was bad enough in a video game, but killing and reviving the main character within the first 5 minutes of a movie would be absurd.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 9, 2018 19:26:49 GMT
Mac Walters has pulled rank himself to be part of the planning of a movie with Legendary Pictures some years ago. Drew said he'd write the script in a heartbeat if he was asked but it seems he hasn't pushed for it ever.
If Mac took the creative supervisor role and not Drew it would change... A LOT. The plot would probably be intact -- Mac Wrote the Genesis comic by himself, so that's a guideline for the quality of his exposition of ME1's story to y'all, but whenever Mac has to relay the kind of tone, plot, characters or beats of games prior to ME3 that he didn't directly write himself... It gets... Mac Waltered and the tone feels notably different to me and you could say that spirit ME1 has is missing something. As such, the movie would feel more generic than the games and i wouldn't want that.
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Post by dagless on Apr 9, 2018 21:16:25 GMT
Interesting question.
Obviously a completely faithful adaption would be too much for one film, even with just the main locations and story points. They could keep it close story with some trimming.
Either Feros and the Thorium, or Noveria and the Rachni are potentially expendable. However, both have their links to Cerberus, so they'd probably need to keep one (and maybe make the Cerberus connection a bit more obvious to set up the sequel). Possibly the Rachni story arc could be shunted to ME2, where there's a lot less world building going on and you don't really need a film full of random loyalty quests.
If Noveria was ditched, Benezia could pretty much show up anywhere, eg on Virmire. Assuming she makes it into the film at all. Likewise there's no real need for a whole new planet to find Liara. She could easily be on the Citadel or one of the other planets. So Therum can be safely dropped too.
Obviously, nearly all side content would have to go, but they could consider taking one thing and expanding on it a bit, just to give people something new.
And there wouldn't need to the massive firefights everywhere. A couple of major battles (Virmire and the Citadel) and a two or three minor skirmishes should be enough.
That's the minimum messing with the plot, I'd expect. It might still be too much and possibly much bigger liberties might have to be taken. It might be safer to completely rework the basic story.
I'm sure whatever they did would be met with howls of protest from some fans. And going by previous game adaptions, my hopes wouldn't be too high on it being a masterpiece.
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Post by Pearl on Apr 9, 2018 21:27:34 GMT
oh no
I forgot this was going to be a thing. It's going to be terrible.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 9, 2018 23:28:26 GMT
Mac Walters has pulled rank himself to be part of the planning of a movie with Legendary Pictures some years ago. Drew said he'd write the script in a heartbeat if he was asked but it seems he hasn't pushed for it ever. If Mac took the creative supervisor role and not Drew it would change... A LOT. The plot would probably be intact -- Mac Wrote the Genesis comic by himself, so that's a guideline for the quality of his exposition of ME1's story to y'all, but whenever Mac has to relay the kind of tone, plot, characters or beats of games prior to ME3 that he didn't directly write himself... It gets... Mac Waltered and the tone feels notably different to me and you could say that spirit ME1 has is missing something. As such, the movie would feel more generic than the games and i wouldn't want that. So what you're saying is... whenever Mac decides to make his Walterations, it Walters down the substance of the franchise?
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 10, 2018 0:51:56 GMT
Mac Walters has pulled rank himself to be part of the planning of a movie with Legendary Pictures some years ago. Drew said he'd write the script in a heartbeat if he was asked but it seems he hasn't pushed for it ever. If Mac took the creative supervisor role and not Drew it would change... A LOT. The plot would probably be intact -- Mac Wrote the Genesis comic by himself, so that's a guideline for the quality of his exposition of ME1's story to y'all, but whenever Mac has to relay the kind of tone, plot, characters or beats of games prior to ME3 that he didn't directly write himself... It gets... Mac Waltered and the tone feels notably different to me and you could say that spirit ME1 has is missing something. As such, the movie would feel more generic than the games and i wouldn't want that. So what you're saying is... whenever Mac decides to make his Walterations, it Walters down the substance of the franchise? Not necessarily. There are just certain aspects that are important to the narrative style of the franchise he never seems to care for like the hard sci fi and political depth.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 10, 2018 1:26:08 GMT
I'll watch it and complain about it the whole time
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 10, 2018 3:40:46 GMT
SofaJockey : Wouldn't this thread be better suited for Mass Effect Story, Lore and General Discussion? It deals with ME1 not MEA.
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Post by Vall on Apr 10, 2018 6:15:09 GMT
ME trilogy movies? Nope. If only because I have a sneaky feeling it would have ~30 year old, grizzled looking dude pretending to be Shepard But more than that, there would only ever be one movie Shepard where there are millions of our Shepards, each one a bit different than the last, and, at least for me, my Shepard is THE Shepard for me and seeing anyone else pretend to be her would be a big no. I would rather there be no movie than movie that butchers Shepard (and Shepard would be butchered no matter what they do). Do a story comppetely unrelated to Shep if you must, we have a universe with rich history of conflicts to choose from. Just pick one and write a fresh story set in there.
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ME trilogy movies? Nope. If only because I have a sneaky feeling it would have ~30 year old, grizzled looking dude pretending to be Shepard But more than that, there would only ever be one movie Shepard where there are millions of our Shepards, each one a bit different than the last, and, at least for me, my Shepard is THE Shepard for me and seeing anyone else pretend to be her would be a big no. I would rather there be no movie than movie that butchers Shepard (and Shepard would be butchered no matter what they do). Do a story comppetely unrelated to Shep if you must, we have a universe with rich history of conflicts to choose from. Just pick one and write a fresh story set in there. I don’t really get it. I’ve seen a tonne of films that were IMO bad adaptations of books, or TV shows that were bad adaptations of films. Nothing ever ruined the original format. I just didn’t like the new version. That includes main characters who acted completely differently or were nothing like I imagined them in the book. Sometimes big changes were made and could enjoy both takes on the same story. All a film could do is present a different Shepard to the one you played, it can’t “butcher” the character you played. Your Shepherd still exists in your game. Of course anyone who feels strongly about it would be under no obligation to actually see the film. It seems an odd argument for not making it at all.
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Post by Vall on Apr 10, 2018 7:54:19 GMT
ME trilogy movies? Nope. If only because I have a sneaky feeling it would have ~30 year old, grizzled looking dude pretending to be Shepard But more than that, there would only ever be one movie Shepard where there are millions of our Shepards, each one a bit different than the last, and, at least for me, my Shepard is THE Shepard for me and seeing anyone else pretend to be her would be a big no. I would rather there be no movie than movie that butchers Shepard (and Shepard would be butchered no matter what they do). Do a story comppetely unrelated to Shep if you must, we have a universe with rich history of conflicts to choose from. Just pick one and write a fresh story set in there. I don’t really get it. I’ve seen a tonne of films that were IMO bad adaptations of books, or TV shows that were bad adaptations of films. Nothing ever ruined the original format. I just didn’t like the new version. That includes main characters who acted completely differently or were nothing like I imagined them in the book. Sometimes big changes were made and could enjoy both takes on the same story. All a film could do is present a different Shepard to the one you played, it can’t “butcher” the character you played. Your Shepherd still exists in your game. Of course anyone who feels strongly about it would be under no obligation to actually see the film. It seems an odd argument for not making it at all. I'm not saying it would ruin the original character. I'm saying that the character pretending to be the original character in the movie would not be the original character, but then what's the point of making a story based on the original character in the movie. You might as well make a new story that does not pretend to be the original story in the same universe, giving us something new and at least trying to avoid some problems that come from game -> movie adaptation. Shepard would not be Shepard, so why call them Shepard and not...Bob.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 10, 2018 7:57:35 GMT
ME trilogy movies? Nope. If only because I have a sneaky feeling it would have ~30 year old, grizzled looking dude pretending to be Shepard Sort of like when 22 year old Ryder is customized to look like someone who's 40? But more than that, there would only ever be one movie Shepard where there are millions of our Shepards, each one a bit different than the last, and, at least for me, my Shepard is THE Shepard for me and seeing anyone else pretend to be her would be a big no. I would rather there be no movie than movie that butchers Shepard (and Shepard would be butchered no matter what they do). Plenty of examples of this being true. Do a story comppetely unrelated to Shep if you must, we have a universe with rich history of conflicts to choose from. Just pick one and write a fresh story set in there. First Contact War seems to be the best setting, but any book could also work, since the stuff occurring in them is canon.
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