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Post by goishen on Jun 5, 2018 0:32:25 GMT
Being a hack and being a jerk are nowhere close to the same thing.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 5, 2018 0:53:26 GMT
Being a hack and being a jerk are nowhere close to the same thing. In his case it is. He may have been right or close enough but his methods make him a hack and his attitude a jerk.
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Post by goishen on Jun 5, 2018 0:57:07 GMT
Being a hack and being a jerk are nowhere close to the same thing. In his case it is. He may have been right or close enough but his methods make him a hack and his attitude a jerk. Just because you don't like what he had to say makes him neither. That's fine if you don't like the guy. But for you to call him a hack and say he was correct in the same sentence is a fucking joke.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 5, 2018 1:30:47 GMT
In his case it is. He may have been right or close enough but his methods make him a hack and his attitude a jerk. Just because you don't like what he had to say makes him neither. That's fine if you don't like the guy. But for you to call him a hack and say he was correct in the same sentence is a fucking joke. Everything he did proves my point. But I won’t argue with someone who curses at me.
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Post by natetrace on Jun 5, 2018 4:46:10 GMT
Oh no we're venturing off topic again... I don't think Schreier is a hack, has he actually been wrong about anything? I didn't like the news over no Andromeda DLC, but I didn't think it was unexpected. I did not care for BioWare not announcing it until August. It's understandable there wouldn't be any, the team that made it was brought to Motive. I still think there could be Andromeda 2, it just won't be a direct sequel. And I've given reasons why before, lots of new aliens, another reboot that's loosely connected but still attracts new and old players, yada yada.
Now, it's easy to forget several ME1 dialogue choices gave the same answer, but just increased paragon or renegade by a little. Also, was there a reason for Ryder to say anything more to Suvi? I picked the option that agreed with her last time, and felt it still left wiggle room and didn't shove my character into a corner. In other words, the dialogue options are fine.
I think Ryder just does what most people would do, so there isn't the hero fantasy there that people have with Shepard.
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Post by fredvdp on Jun 5, 2018 9:41:38 GMT
Being a hack and being a jerk are nowhere close to the same thing. In his case it is. He may have been right or close enough but his methods make him a hack and his attitude a jerk. What methods are you referring to? Consulting multiple sources close to the project to report news as close as possible to the facts?
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 5, 2018 11:04:45 GMT
Oh no we're venturing off topic again... I don't think Schreier is a hack, has he actually been wrong about anything? I didn't like the news over no Andromeda DLC, but I didn't think it was unexpected. I did not care for BioWare not announcing it until August. It's understandable there wouldn't be any, the team that made it was brought to Motive. I still think there could be Andromeda 2, it just won't be a direct sequel. And I've given reasons why before, lots of new aliens, another reboot that's loosely connected but still attracts new and old players, yada yada. Now, it's easy to forget several ME1 dialogue choices gave the same answer, but just increased paragon or renegade by a little. Also, was there a reason for Ryder to say anything more to Suvi? I picked the option that agreed with her last time, and felt it still left wiggle room and didn't shove my character into a corner. In other words, the dialogue options are fine. I think Ryder just does what most people would do, so there isn't the hero fantasy there that people have with Shepard. On the Schreier being a hack, I would say his first article was fine. The problem I have with him was his articles and actions after that, which for some people I can see making him look like a hack. For me it just caused me to pass anything he writes for I don't want to support that behavior of a person that seems to be no better then a lot of the pandering YouTube videos. With the DLC announcement BioWare's hands were tied, plenty of the developers said "we will say more when we can", there is nothing more they could have done. This is the one thing with Andromeda where I am the most sure it was EA's fault. With Mass Effect 1 I think there are just a lot of nostalgia googles where people want to believe BioWare was somehow so superior to what they are now, which from my perspective isn't the case. Jade Empire felt even more unfinished to me then Andromeda for the first half of the game was great, but after that it felt like they just shoved everything they needed to finish the story and ignored everything else. Even major portions of Dragon Age: Origins felt the same as Dragon Age: Inquisition and Mass Effect: Andromeda with Deep Roads and The Fade, to me that shows they never made the open world style game well even prior to EA. What saved it was the other areas that weren't like that.
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Post by goishen on Jun 5, 2018 12:16:59 GMT
Look, you can try and justify a bad game 'till the end of days, and it looks like you will.
Just realize that most of the rest of us have already concluded that it was a bad game and have moved on. Please, by all means, argue with me. Attempt to bring down the pillars of heaven. I sadistically enjoy watching people attempt to do something that it is impossible for them to do.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 5, 2018 14:24:33 GMT
Look, you can try and justify a bad game 'till the end of days, and it looks like you will. Just realize that most of the rest of us have already concluded that it was a bad game and have moved on. Please, by all means, argue with me. Attempt to bring down the pillars of heaven. I sadistically enjoy watching people attempt to do something that it is impossible for them to do. Who is this “us”? There are examples of objectively bad games (Ride to Hell Retribution, E.T, Superman 64 etc..) this is not one of them. In your subjective opinion it is and others share that opinion and that’s fine. However do not treat it as fact.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 5, 2018 14:25:52 GMT
Oh no we're venturing off topic again... I don't think Schreier is a hack, has he actually been wrong about anything? I didn't like the news over no Andromeda DLC, but I didn't think it was unexpected. I did not care for BioWare not announcing it until August. It's understandable there wouldn't be any, the team that made it was brought to Motive. I still think there could be Andromeda 2, it just won't be a direct sequel. And I've given reasons why before, lots of new aliens, another reboot that's loosely connected but still attracts new and old players, yada yada. Now, it's easy to forget several ME1 dialogue choices gave the same answer, but just increased paragon or renegade by a little. Also, was there a reason for Ryder to say anything more to Suvi? I picked the option that agreed with her last time, and felt it still left wiggle room and didn't shove my character into a corner. In other words, the dialogue options are fine. I think Ryder just does what most people would do, so there isn't the hero fantasy there that people have with Shepard. On the Schreier being a hack, I would say his first article was fine. The problem I have with him was his articles and actions after that, which for some people I can see making him look like a hack. For me it just caused me to pass anything he writes for I don't want to support that behavior of a person that seems to be no better then a lot of the pandering YouTube videos. With the DLC announcement BioWare's hands were tied, plenty of the developers said "we will say more when we can", there is nothing more they could have done. This is the one thing with Andromeda where I am the most sure it was EA's fault. With Mass Effect 1 I think there are just a lot of nostalgia googles where people want to believe BioWare was somehow so superior to what they are now, which from my perspective isn't the case. Jade Empire felt even more unfinished to me then Andromeda for the first half of the game was great, but after that it felt like they just shoved everything they needed to finish the story and ignored everything else. Even major portions of Dragon Age: Origins felt the same as Dragon Age: Inquisition and Mass Effect: Andromeda with Deep Roads and The Fade, to me that shows they never made the open world style game well even prior to EA. What saved it was the other areas that weren't like that. Yes that is what I was getting at. Thanks you said it better than I could have.
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Post by goishen on Jun 5, 2018 15:32:58 GMT
Look, you can try and justify a bad game 'till the end of days, and it looks like you will. Just realize that most of the rest of us have already concluded that it was a bad game and have moved on. Please, by all means, argue with me. Attempt to bring down the pillars of heaven. I sadistically enjoy watching people attempt to do something that it is impossible for them to do. Who is this “us”? There are examples of objectively bad games (Ride to Hell Retribution, E.T, Superman 64 etc..) this is not one of them. In your subjective opinion it is and others share that opinion and that’s fine. However do not treat it as fact. Uhhh, the gaming population, you dope.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 5, 2018 16:10:56 GMT
Just realize that most of the rest of us have already concluded that it was a bad game and have moved on. Please, by all means, argue with me. Attempt to bring down the pillars of heaven. I sadistically enjoy watching people attempt to do something that it is impossible for them to do. Hanging out in threads like this is an odd way to move on.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 5, 2018 17:42:08 GMT
Who is this “us”? There are examples of objectively bad games (Ride to Hell Retribution, E.T, Superman 64 etc..) this is not one of them. In your subjective opinion it is and others share that opinion and that’s fine. However do not treat it as fact. Uhhh, the gaming population, you dope. So you and your friends are the whole gaming community gotcha. Stop being such an ass. You don’t have to agree with me as I’ll never agree with you. But don’t insult me.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 5, 2018 17:59:45 GMT
Uhhh, the gaming population, you dope. Let's take shots at other arguments, not other posters, please. Personally, I can see no consensus around the idea that MEA was a bad game. There were plenty that didn't like it as well as plenty who enjoyed it. If you look at gamers data via critic sites, it would be correct to conclude that the response was mixed and polarizing, and that the game overall was 'average', or as OpenCritic describes it as: 'fair'. It ranks at 48% of their game assessments, not great, not awful, middle of the road. You can believe it's bad if you want, but browbeating or insulting others to coerce agreement won't succeed I suspect.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 5, 2018 18:55:24 GMT
Who is this “us”? There are examples of objectively bad games (Ride to Hell Retribution, E.T, Superman 64 etc..) this is not one of them. In your subjective opinion it is and others share that opinion and that’s fine. However do not treat it as fact. Uhhh, the gaming population, you dope. Maybe the Reddit/YouTube population, but I doubt those groups are really representative of the entirety of the gaming population if anything those groups I think are the minority otherwise Battlefront 2 wouldn't have the sales numbers it did.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 5, 2018 19:20:15 GMT
Uhhh, the gaming population, you dope. Maybe the Reddit/YouTube population, but I doubt those groups are really representative of the entirety of the gaming population if anything those groups I think are the minority otherwise Battlefront 2 wouldn't have the sales numbers it did. Agreed. Though the internet allows toxic people a place to well be toxic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 19:25:12 GMT
In his case it is. He may have been right or close enough but his methods make him a hack and his attitude a jerk. What methods are you referring to? Consulting multiple sources close to the project to report news as close as possible to the facts? In the quotation being discussed here, what is questionable is, at best, he is just repeating an opinion of his source... that "too much time was spent discussing high-level ideas." It's not really backed up with anything in the way of facts as it is an entirely subjective concept. What amount of time is too much, too little, or just right? Without being able to judge either the creedibility of his source or his source's disposition towards Bioware, we can't really judge whether or not the source's opinions are fair or unfairly biased. For example, if his source was a person who was fired from Bioware, the opinions that source expressed could be unduly harsh.
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Post by goishen on Jun 5, 2018 20:07:58 GMT
What methods are you referring to? Consulting multiple sources close to the project to report news as close as possible to the facts? In the quotation being discussed here, what is questionable is, at best, he is just repeating an opinion of his source... that "too much time was spent discussing high-level ideas." It's not really backed up with anything in the way of facts as it is an entirely subjective concept. What amount of time is too much, too little, or just right? Without being able to judge either the creedibility of his source or his source's disposition towards Bioware, we can't really judge whether or not the source's opinions are fair or unfairly biased. For example, if his source was a person who was fired from Bioware, the opinions that source expressed could be unduly harsh. The amount of mental gymnastics that some of you people go through could solve world hunger or cure cancer. I mean, Jesus Christ.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 20:27:18 GMT
In the quotation being discussed here, what is questionable is, at best, he is just repeating an opinion of his source... that "too much time was spent discussing high-level ideas." It's not really backed up with anything in the way of facts as it is an entirely subjective concept. What amount of time is too much, too little, or just right? Without being able to judge either the creedibility of his source or his source's disposition towards Bioware, we can't really judge whether or not the source's opinions are fair or unfairly biased. For example, if his source was a person who was fired from Bioware, the opinions that source expressed could be unduly harsh. The amount of mental gymnastics that some of you people go through could solve world hunger or cure cancer. I mean, Jesus Christ. ... and wouldn't either of those be a good thing?
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Post by Rivercurse on Jun 5, 2018 20:28:38 GMT
If you look at gamers data via critic sites, it would be correct to conclude that the response was mixed and polarizing, and that the game overall was 'average', or as OpenCritic describes it as: 'fair'. It ranks at 48% of their game assessments, not great, not awful, middle of the road.
I'd have more time for this argument if we weren't dealing with a sequel to what was a ground breaking trilogy that met with universal acclaim.
The fall from grace is staggering in retrospect.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 5, 2018 20:32:04 GMT
If you look at gamers data via critic sites, it would be correct to conclude that the response was mixed and polarizing, and that the game overall was 'average', or as OpenCritic describes it as: 'fair'. It ranks at 48% of their game assessments, not great, not awful, middle of the road.
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The fall from grace is staggering in retrospect.
You're not wrong about the disappointment.
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Post by goishen on Jun 5, 2018 20:32:22 GMT
The amount of mental gymnastics that some of you people go through could solve world hunger or cure cancer. I mean, Jesus Christ. ... and wouldn't either of those be a good thing? Yah, if you were working on it. But no, you're here.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 5, 2018 20:34:44 GMT
In the quotation being discussed here, what is questionable is, at best, he is just repeating an opinion of his source... that "too much time was spent discussing high-level ideas." It's not really backed up with anything in the way of facts as it is an entirely subjective concept. What amount of time is too much, too little, or just right? Without being able to judge either the creedibility of his source or his source's disposition towards Bioware, we can't really judge whether or not the source's opinions are fair or unfairly biased. For example, if his source was a person who was fired from Bioware, the opinions that source expressed could be unduly harsh. The amount of mental gymnastics that some of you people go through could solve world hunger or cure cancer. I mean, Jesus Christ. I find there are plenty of people doing just as many "mental gymnastics" to justify the game was bad or a flop too.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 5, 2018 20:38:35 GMT
If you look at gamers data via critic sites, it would be correct to conclude that the response was mixed and polarizing, and that the game overall was 'average', or as OpenCritic describes it as: 'fair'. It ranks at 48% of their game assessments, not great, not awful, middle of the road.
I'd have more time for this argument if we weren't dealing with a sequel to what was a ground breaking trilogy that met with universal acclaim.
The fall from grace is staggering in retrospect.
That would be a stronger argument if there was the same people working on it. From what I understood in a couple of videos there were a lot of game development rookies working on it. The fall from grace would be a lot farther if it was BioWare Edmonton working on it.
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Post by dazk on Jun 6, 2018 0:32:05 GMT
If you look at gamers data via critic sites, it would be correct to conclude that the response was mixed and polarizing, and that the game overall was 'average', or as OpenCritic describes it as: 'fair'. It ranks at 48% of their game assessments, not great, not awful, middle of the road.
I'd have more time for this argument if we weren't dealing with a sequel to what was a ground breaking trilogy that met with universal acclaim.
The fall from grace is staggering in retrospect.
Mmmmm Universal acclaim is a pretty big statement Blue, Green and Red is where I'll leave my opinion of "universal Acclaim" for MET. As for a fall from grace well that is your opinion, mine is that MEA was an improvement on all the MET games except ME3.
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