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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 1:30:09 GMT
... and wouldn't either of those be a good thing? Yah, if you were working on it. But no, you're here. ... and so are you... here apparently. At least I enjoyed the game and am still learning from the others who enjoyed it as well so that I can get even more enjoyment out of my future playthorughs. Why are you here?
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Post by dazk on Jun 6, 2018 1:32:26 GMT
Yah, if you were working on it. But no, you're here. ... and so are you... here apparently. At least I enjoyed the game and am still learning from the others who enjoyed it as well so that I can get even more enjoyment out of my future playthorughs. Why are you here? Thanks @upagain I really enjoy playing MEA and discussing it with fellow players like yourself.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 6, 2018 1:57:04 GMT
Yah, if you were working on it. But no, you're here. ... and so are you... here apparently. At least I enjoyed the game and am still learning from the others who enjoyed it as well so that I can get even more enjoyment out of my future playthorughs. Why are you here? My guess? He likes pissing in people’s cornflakes.
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Post by ahglock on Jun 6, 2018 2:05:44 GMT
... and so are you... here apparently. At least I enjoyed the game and am still learning from the others who enjoyed it as well so that I can get even more enjoyment out of my future playthorughs. Why are you here? My guess? He likes pissing in people’s cornflakes. Too be fair its a bioware gaming board, I'm not a fan of DAI but I still hop over there occasionally while browsing DA4 speculation it doesn't take much time. Usually only to take a dig at Casandra who i view as a rapist. But, I don't get the people who haven't liked the last 3 bioware games bothering, what are you here to discuss? More power to you and all, just don't get it.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 6, 2018 2:11:44 GMT
My guess? He likes pissing in people’s cornflakes. Too be fair its a bioware gaming board, I'm not a fan of DAI but I still hop over there occasionally while browsing DA4 speculation it doesn't take much time. Usually only to take a dig at Casandra who i view as a rapist. But, I don't get the people who haven't liked the last 3 bioware games bothering, what are you here to discuss? More power to you and all, just don't get it. Discussion about opinions is fine. Berating and insulting people is not.
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Post by ahglock on Jun 6, 2018 2:19:53 GMT
Too be fair its a bioware gaming board, I'm not a fan of DAI but I still hop over there occasionally while browsing DA4 speculation it doesn't take much time. Usually only to take a dig at Casandra who i view as a rapist. But, I don't get the people who haven't liked the last 3 bioware games bothering, what are you here to discuss? More power to you and all, just don't get it. Discussion about opinions is fine. Berating and insulting people is not. Just answering the why they might be here part, not the tact used. I do my best not to be rude though sadly this isn't work where I can get other people to read my emails to make sure i'm not unintentionally being a total asshat to someone before I hit send. If someone is intentionally rude that is on them ,if they are just short and lack tact I have no issue with them as I according to the numerous complaints at work before my crowd sourced email system have that issue. I have yet to form an opinion about people on this forum, haven;t been here long enough, though I think i recognize some people form the old bioware boards
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 6, 2018 2:31:42 GMT
My guess? He likes pissing in people’s cornflakes. Too be fair its a bioware gaming board, I'm not a fan of DAI but I still hop over there occasionally while browsing DA4 speculation it doesn't take much time. Usually only to take a dig at Casandra who i view as a rapist. But, I don't get the people who haven't liked the last 3 bioware games bothering, what are you here to discuss? More power to you and all, just don't get it. Wait what?
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Post by ahglock on Jun 6, 2018 2:36:32 GMT
Too be fair its a bioware gaming board, I'm not a fan of DAI but I still hop over there occasionally while browsing DA4 speculation it doesn't take much time. Usually only to take a dig at Casandra who i view as a rapist. But, I don't get the people who haven't liked the last 3 bioware games bothering, what are you here to discuss? More power to you and all, just don't get it. Wait what? She is a guard for people in internment camps, these people have 3 options be a slave, be dead or be lobotomized. She has sex with one of her prisoners, but yeah it was love..
If the sexes were reversed would anyone call it anything but rape. I guess its better than rockstar who thinks men getting raped is funny.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 6, 2018 2:43:34 GMT
She is a guard for people in internment camps, these people have 3 options be a slave, be dead or be lobotomized. She has sex with one of her prisoners, but yeah it was love..
If the sexes were reversed would anyone call it anything but rape. I guess its better than rockstar who thinks men getting raped is funny.
She's not a guard. Seekers have different duties than Templars. In fact by the time she and Regalyan have a relationship she is already the Right Hand of the Divine so only serves her. So no, by no definition of the term did she rape him. I'm not a fan of how the two had a relationship since I liked the platonic friendship more, but that is ridiculous.
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Post by ahglock on Jun 6, 2018 2:47:30 GMT
She is a guard for people in internment camps, these people have 3 options be a slave, be dead or be lobotomized. She has sex with one of her prisoners, but yeah it was love..
If the sexes were reversed would anyone call it anything but rape. I guess its better than rockstar who thinks men getting raped is funny.
She's not a guard. Seekers have different duties than Templars. In fact by the time she and Regalyan have a relationship she is already the Right Hand of the Divine so only serves her. So no, by no definition of the term did she rape him. I'm not a fan of how the two had a relationship since I liked the platonic friendship more, but that is ridiculous. Being higher up the food chain in the murder you if you do something wrong organization isn't a selling point on her not having a disturbing power disparity over him making any choice of his illusory.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 6, 2018 2:49:54 GMT
She's not a guard. Seekers have different duties than Templars. In fact by the time she and Regalyan have a relationship she is already the Right Hand of the Divine so only serves her. So no, by no definition of the term did she rape him. I'm not a fan of how the two had a relationship since I liked the platonic friendship more, but that is ridiculous. Being higher up the food chain in the murder you if you do something wrong organization isn't a selling point on her not having a disturbing power disparity over him making any choice of his illusory. Doesn't make it rape unless she literally threatened him to make him have sex with her, which she didn't. In fact the evidence suggests it was his idea. You are insulting actual rapes by saying this relationship was one.
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Post by ahglock on Jun 6, 2018 2:58:28 GMT
Being higher up the food chain in the murder you if you do something wrong organization isn't a selling point on her not having a disturbing power disparity over him making any choice of his illusory. Doesn't make it rape unless she literally threatened him to make him have sex with her, which she didn't. You are insulting actual rapes by saying this relationship was one. Um no, power disparities where one person is effectively a slave and the master can kill them on a whim is literally one of definitions of rape. You do not have the free choice to say no as that person can have you killed if they get upset. You are never really their friends or lover you are just hoping they like you enough not to kill you. A slave saying yes, isn't yes. She never has to outright threaten him as the threat is always there. Her being romantic about it does not change that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 6, 2018 3:04:42 GMT
Doesn't make it rape unless she literally threatened him to make him have sex with her, which she didn't. You are insulting actual rapes by saying this relationship was one. Um no, power disparities where one person is effectively a slave and the master can kill them on a whim is literally one of definitions of rape. You do not have the free choice to say no as that person can have you killed if they get upset. You are never really their friends or lover you are just hoping they like you enough not to kill you. A slave saying yes, isn't yes. She never has to outright threaten him as the threat is always there. Her being romantic about it does not change that. Except as I pointed out he did have a choice since with all the evidence we have it was he who was the first to want a relationship. Also even before they became intimate they never had this kind of abusive relationship you claim they had. I want you to point out concrete evidence that validates this absurd notion as anything other than a twisted fanfic or agenda of yours.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 6, 2018 3:23:02 GMT
She is a guard for people in internment camps, these people have 3 options be a slave, be dead or be lobotomized. She has sex with one of her prisoners, but yeah it was love..
If the sexes were reversed would anyone call it anything but rape. I guess its better than rockstar who thinks men getting raped is funny.
No I wouldn't call it rape. But on the other hand I wonder if this can be equated to a student-teacher 'relationship'.
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Post by ahglock on Jun 6, 2018 6:22:52 GMT
Um no, power disparities where one person is effectively a slave and the master can kill them on a whim is literally one of definitions of rape. You do not have the free choice to say no as that person can have you killed if they get upset. You are never really their friends or lover you are just hoping they like you enough not to kill you. A slave saying yes, isn't yes. She never has to outright threaten him as the threat is always there. Her being romantic about it does not change that. Except as I pointed out he did have a choice since with all the evidence we have it was he who was the first to want a relationship. Also even before they became intimate they never had this kind of abusive relationship you claim they had. I want you to point out concrete evidence that validates this absurd notion as anything other than a twisted fanfic or agenda of yours. Um, if from the time you are a teen you are told these people can and will murder you on a whim there is no free will. Like all mages are its a effed up relationship no matter how you paint it. Its like saying jews in a concentration camp really wanted it. They were segregated due to an accident of birth and told these people can and will murder you if you act out in the slightest, or if you are lucky lobotomize you and as you grow up they give you plenty of example of the chantry murdering and lobotomizing your friends due to personal prejudice and not the taint. They are slaves, any relationship with the master is effectively rape. You do what you need to do to survive.
edit to add side note I'm trashed and have been all night as I'm bartending for my friends 20th anniversary and testing drinks so I'm willing to entertain my belief in this, come morning I probably wont as its not worth it.
for those who care about drink making.
a simple syrup of 2 parts sugar 1 part water is solid if you steep dried dried chipotles in hot water and then blend and use that as you water it creates a smokey mildly hot simple syrup, over time the heat seems to increase at least my friends say so(im almost immune to heat) but the smoke decreases, a great dink that I made(humble i know)
the briar patch
1/2 ounce fresh lime juice 3/4 ounce blackberry liquor(leopold bros blackberry liquor good choice) 1 oz chipoltle syrup(i increase heat by steeping in fresh sliced habaneros, i like heat)
1.5 ounce dark rum
1/4 ounce nutmeg simple syrup(2 cups sugar/1 cup water 1 whole nutmeg grated into syrup.)
shake
Makes a bad ass drink
Also use chipotle syrup for simple syrup in a modified dark and stormy, I call it a firestorm. also a good drink.
1 oz chipotle syrup 1 oz lime juice 4 oz rum
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4 oz ginger beer,.
Great drink, sub in mezcal for rum for more smoke.
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Post by ahglock on Jun 6, 2018 6:23:26 GMT
She is a guard for people in internment camps, these people have 3 options be a slave, be dead or be lobotomized. She has sex with one of her prisoners, but yeah it was love..
If the sexes were reversed would anyone call it anything but rape. I guess its better than rockstar who thinks men getting raped is funny.
No I wouldn't call it rape. But on the other hand I wonder if this can be equated to a student-teacher 'relationship'. I've never had a teacher who could murder me on a whim.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 6, 2018 7:32:07 GMT
No I wouldn't call it rape. But on the other hand I wonder if this can be equated to a student-teacher 'relationship'. I've never had a teacher who could murder me on a whim. Despite how I do not agree with your conclusions you do actually give me a lot of food for thought. I suppose in some Circles (like the Kirkwall one) such a thing is possible...but I wonder if that is a rule for all of them. Hell there was the Cole thing. But then this all loops back around to...would Cassandra 'murder' her lover on 'a whim'?
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Post by ahglock on Jun 6, 2018 7:36:34 GMT
I've never had a teacher who could murder me on a whim. Despite how I do not agree with your conclusions you do actually give me a lot of food for thought. I suppose in some Circles (like the Kirkwall one) such a thing is possible...but I wonder if that is a rule for all of them. Hell there was the Cole thing. But then this all loops back around to...would Cassandra 'murder' her lover on 'a whim'? This might get to philosophical as I'm drunk, but does it matter? You are raised from your early teens or whenever your magic manifests that theses people hold you life in their hands, not one grade but your life. Is any choice you make to please them out of anything remotely close to free will?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 6, 2018 7:42:40 GMT
Despite how I do not agree with your conclusions you do actually give me a lot of food for thought. I suppose in some Circles (like the Kirkwall one) such a thing is possible...but I wonder if that is a rule for all of them. Hell there was the Cole thing. But then this all loops back around to...would Cassandra 'murder' her lover on 'a whim'? This might get to philosophical as I'm drunk, but does it matter? You are raised from your early teens or whenever your magic manifests that theses people hold you life in their hands, not one grade but your life. Is any choice you make to please them out of anything remotely close to free will? OK that might explain it from the mage side of things but what about Cassandra's? I mean hell in that case the mage could have easily been the one pursuing things to try and get special favors out of her.
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Post by sil on Jun 6, 2018 7:51:31 GMT
I'd have more time for this argument if we weren't dealing with a sequel to what was a ground breaking trilogy that met with universal acclaim.
The fall from grace is staggering in retrospect.
Mmmmm Universal acclaim is a pretty big statement Blue, Green and Red is where I'll leave my opinion of "universal Acclaim" for MET. As for a fall from grace well that is your opinion, mine is that MEA was an improvement on all the MET games except ME3. Each game improves another part of the series, all we need is a game that takes the best parts of each and crafts the ultimate ME game.
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Post by ahglock on Jun 6, 2018 7:52:53 GMT
This might get to philosophical as I'm drunk, but does it matter? You are raised from your early teens or whenever your magic manifests that theses people hold you life in their hands, not one grade but your life. Is any choice you make to please them out of anything remotely close to free will? OK that might explain it from the mage side of things but what about Cassandra's? I mean hell in that case the mage could have easily been the one pursuing things to try and get special favors out of her. Does a prison guard get a pass because the inmate initiated it? And the power imbalance is far past prison guard. It is not nazi but its dam close and I think intentionally. Its very days of future past mutant. Just because you lie to yourself that its love, doesn't make it so. I find her to be a horrific human being and I seriously believe if the sexes were reversed there would have been a very vocal outrage of this being rape. But, people seem to think men can't be coerced into rape like they are so strong they don't cave to these kinds of pressure. But, men are people too and they do what they need to do to survive even seemingly initiate relations with someone, because that is what they think that person wants and upsetting them may very well mean death.
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Post by ahglock on Jun 6, 2018 7:58:13 GMT
Mmmmm Universal acclaim is a pretty big statement Blue, Green and Red is where I'll leave my opinion of "universal Acclaim" for MET. As for a fall from grace well that is your opinion, mine is that MEA was an improvement on all the MET games except ME3. Each game improves another part of the series, all we need is a game that takes the best parts of each and crafts the ultimate ME game. That's the dream, though what I think was the best part is likely different than yours which is the problem. Like I've seen many say this was the best combat in the series, I think ME2 was better in combat. Its flaws in combat were there but balance of cool downs, number of powers available, gun strength etc was the best of the series IMO. I think MEs nailed the movement side of things best enough weight without feeling weightless sliding across the ground in MEA. But most here seem to thing MEA nailed that aspect.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 6, 2018 7:59:54 GMT
OK that might explain it from the mage side of things but what about Cassandra's? I mean hell in that case the mage could have easily been the one pursuing things to try and get special favors out of her. Does a prison guard get a pass because the inmate initiated it? And the power imbalance is far past prison guard. It is not nazi but its dam close and I think intentionally. Its very days of future past mutant. Just because you lie to yourself that its love, doesn't make it so. I find her to be a horrific human being and I seriously believe if the sexes were reversed there would have been a very vocal outrage of this being rape. But, people seem to think men can't be coerced into rape like they are so strong they don't cave to these kinds of pressure. But, men are people too and they do what they need to do to survive even seemingly initiate relations with someone, because that is what they think that person wants and upsetting them may very well mean death. Probably not but I think what Bioware was going for was a Romeo and Juliet type situation, which in this case helps humanize her and adds complexity to her character...at least for me.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 6, 2018 8:17:40 GMT
Except as I pointed out he did have a choice since with all the evidence we have it was he who was the first to want a relationship. Also even before they became intimate they never had this kind of abusive relationship you claim they had. I want you to point out concrete evidence that validates this absurd notion as anything other than a twisted fanfic or agenda of yours. Um, if from the time you are a teen you are told these people can and will murder you on a whim there is no free will. Like all mages are its a effed up relationship no matter how you paint it. Its like saying jews in a concentration camp really wanted it. They were segregated due to an accident of birth and told these people can and will murder you if you act out in the slightest, or if you are lucky lobotomize you and as you grow up they give you plenty of example of the chantry murdering and lobotomizing your friends due to personal prejudice and not the taint. They are slaves, any relationship with the master is effectively rape. You do what you need to do to survive. So as I thought, you have absolutely no actual evidence to support this notion of yours while there is evidence against it. Also now not only is Cassandra a rapist but she is comparable to a Nazi? The only horrific thing I see here is you diminishing actual rape and Holocaust victims by saying this is equivalent to what they suffered. Don't bother replying to this. Time to get back on track anyway.
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