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Post by jaerick243 on Jun 29, 2018 0:03:02 GMT
Uh, does any of this matter? I mean, in my honest opinion, Hawke's 'story' ends at Act 2, when they become champion. The ending to the game is basically either "Hawke kills mages, Meredith, Orsino and becomes Viscount/Viscountess until Templars get hopped up on Red Lyrium and force Hawke to resign" or "Hawke kills Templars, Meredith, Osino, some mages die anyways, and Hawke leaves Kirkwall" essentially. Both of these can happen regardless of personality, class, or romance.
Besides, Both sides are idiots and I do not care about who wins since they both get killed/statueified by the end of the game. Not even Anders's blowing up the chantry really matters in the long run.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 29, 2018 0:12:11 GMT
No, and I also would not be friends IRL with anyone who did. This post is so ridiculous I actually lmfao'd.
I hope Gaider looks at what he wrought upon the world and is pleased with himself.
Actually, this is just what I am like about things. I also would not be friends with anyone who genuinely likes the Institute or Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 4.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 29, 2018 0:19:09 GMT
Uh, does any of this matter? I mean, in my honest opinion, Hawke's 'story' ends at Act 2, when they become champion. The ending to the game is basically either "Hawke kills mages, Meredith, Orsino and becomes Viscount/Viscountess until Templars get hopped up on Red Lyrium and force Hawke to resign" or "Hawke kills Templars, Meredith, Osino, some mages die anyways, and Hawke leaves Kirkwall" essentially. Both of these can happen regardless of personality, class, or romance. Besides, Both sides are idiots and I do not care about who wins since they both get killed/statueified by the end of the game. Not even Anders's blowing up the chantry really matters in the long run. Not "both side is idiot". There are no both equal sides. But I agree with it: the Viscount end is ironic: the Templars betrayed Hawke finally and forced to exile him/her... I love this. Viscount end is the shit end. While if Hawke willingly supports the rebellion, because s/he's an apostate, or his/her sister is a prisoner of the Gallows – his/her exile is glorious. Hawke chose this way, not the Templars. Still exiled – but what a difference! Fighting for the freedom, and exiled as a hero – or protect a mad tyrant, and be betrayed and exiled as a fallen notability.
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Post by jaerick243 on Jun 29, 2018 0:29:30 GMT
Uh, does any of this matter? I mean, in my honest opinion, Hawke's 'story' ends at Act 2, when they become champion. The ending to the game is basically either "Hawke kills mages, Meredith, Orsino and becomes Viscount/Viscountess until Templars get hopped up on Red Lyrium and force Hawke to resign" or "Hawke kills Templars, Meredith, Osino, some mages die anyways, and Hawke leaves Kirkwall" essentially. Both of these can happen regardless of personality, class, or romance. Besides, Both sides are idiots and I do not care about who wins since they both get killed/statueified by the end of the game. Not even Anders's blowing up the chantry really matters in the long run. Not "both side is idiot". There are no both equal sides. But I agree with it: the Viscount end is ironic: the Templars betrayed Hawke finally and forced to exile him/her... I love this. Viscount end is the shit end. While if Hawke willingly supports the rebellion, because s/he's an apostate, or his/her sister is a prisoner of the Gallows – his/her exile is glorious. Hawke chose this way, not the Templars. Still exiled – but what a difference! Fighting for the freedom, and exiled as a hero – or protect a mad tyrant, and be betrayed and exiled as a fallen notability. Uh, no. Hawke's is not exiled, but runs like a Coward. It is not Glorious, but pointless/ Not a hero but a Coward. Hawke is pathetic either way. the ending of the game is pointless. You kill people and end up on the run, so why does not matter. Hawke does not even make a deal out of 'being a hero' to the rebellion, because is pretty much forgotten by Inquisition outside of Varric. Besides, my world state has Hawke's Sibling in the wardens, so does not matter. Being a mage does not matter, as they are not from Kirkwall, but Ferelden, so being mage means nothing to me.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 29, 2018 0:35:19 GMT
Not "both side is idiot". There are no both equal sides. But I agree with it: the Viscount end is ironic: the Templars betrayed Hawke finally and forced to exile him/her... I love this. Viscount end is the shit end. While if Hawke willingly supports the rebellion, because s/he's an apostate, or his/her sister is a prisoner of the Gallows – his/her exile is glorious. Hawke chose this way, not the Templars. Still exiled – but what a difference! Fighting for the freedom, and exiled as a hero – or protect a mad tyrant, and be betrayed and exiled as a fallen notability. Uh, no. Hawke's is not exiled, but runs like a Coward. It is not Glorious, but pointless/ Not a hero but a Coward. Hawke is pathetic either way. the ending of the game is pointless. You kill people and end up on the run, so why does not matter. Hawke does not even make a deal out of 'being a hero' to the rebellion, because is pretty much forgotten by Inquisition outside of Varric. Coward? Not. It's not cowardice to leave everything he had for a good cause. And Anders and Hawke continue their fight after Kirkwall. This is the best point. They don't hide: "But all the Circles were rising up by then. We helped a lot of them take that final step." (Hawke, in Inquisition)
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Post by jaerick243 on Jun 29, 2018 0:41:28 GMT
Uh, no. Hawke's is not exiled, but runs like a Coward. It is not Glorious, but pointless/ Not a hero but a Coward. Hawke is pathetic either way. the ending of the game is pointless. You kill people and end up on the run, so why does not matter. Hawke does not even make a deal out of 'being a hero' to the rebellion, because is pretty much forgotten by Inquisition outside of Varric. Coward? Not. It's not cowardice to leave everything he had for a good cause. And Anders and Hawke continue their fight after Kirkwall. This is the best point. They don't hide: "But all the Circles were rising up by then. We helped a lot of them take that final step." (Hawke, in Inquisition) Hawke leaves because fearing something that never came. COWARD. Also, Anders can be killed, so that does not happen if he did not live and they were not in a romance, I believe. But again, I do not care, because Act 3 of Kirkwall does not matter.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 29, 2018 0:57:03 GMT
Coward? Not. It's not cowardice to leave everything he had for a good cause. And Anders and Hawke continue their fight after Kirkwall. This is the best point. They don't hide: "But all the Circles were rising up by then. We helped a lot of them take that final step." (Hawke, in Inquisition) Hawke leaves because fearing something that never came. COWARD. Also, Anders can be killed, so that does not happen if he did not live and they were not in a romance, I believe. But again, I do not care, because Act 3 of Kirkwall does not matter. The rebellion is the best part. To build an existence, and leave that for a cause. Never coward. And Hawke and co. ran away for a chance, the Templars/Seekers will pursue them, not to rush Kirkwall. What would brave according to you? Sadly, the Act3 is too short, and the rebellion is unfinished. Still great. Yes, that conversation in Inquisition required Anders supportive romance. I said: the mage end is good, and the exile is glorious if Hawke chose this way. If not, then still sad – but less sad, like the Viscount end, according to me. By the way, if the Act3 no matter, why you're here? This topic mostly about the act3...
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Post by jaerick243 on Jun 29, 2018 1:03:31 GMT
Hawke leaves because fearing something that never came. COWARD. Also, Anders can be killed, so that does not happen if he did not live and they were not in a romance, I believe. But again, I do not care, because Act 3 of Kirkwall does not matter. The rebellion is the best part. To build an existence, and leave that for a cause. Never coward. And Hawke and co. ran away for a chance, the Templars/Seekers will pursue them, not to rush Kirkwall. What would brave according to you? Sadly, the Act3 is too short, and the rebellion is unfinished. Still great. Yes, that conversation in Inquisition required Anders supportive romance. I said: the mage end is good, and the exile is glorious if Hawke chose this way. If not, then still sad – but less sad, like the Viscount end, according to me. Brave would be killing both Meredith and Orsino at the start of the final quest and taking over the city, which is unavailable. choosing a side is cowardly. Sera is right, most people are stupid, even Hawke. Siding with either does not matter because war starts and no one can win it, except for the Inquisition, so nothing to gain from rebelling, except more killing. Anders is best un-romanced, not supported and dead. He was gone from the start of DA2. Short term, Very Important for that last quest alone. Long Term? Gets barely a few mentions, and nothing truly noteworthy in Inquisition.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 29, 2018 1:08:56 GMT
The rebellion is the best part. To build an existence, and leave that for a cause. Never coward. And Hawke and co. ran away for a chance, the Templars/Seekers will pursue them, not to rush Kirkwall. What would brave according to you? Sadly, the Act3 is too short, and the rebellion is unfinished. Still great. Yes, that conversation in Inquisition required Anders supportive romance. I said: the mage end is good, and the exile is glorious if Hawke chose this way. If not, then still sad – but less sad, like the Viscount end, according to me. Brave would be killing both Meredith and Orsino at the start of the final quest and taking over the city, which is unavailable. choosing a side is cowardly. Sera is right, most people are stupid, even Hawke. Siding with either does not matter because war starts and no one can win it, except for the Inquisition, so nothing to gain from rebelling, except more killing. Anders is best un-romanced, not supported and dead. He was gone from the start of DA2. Not choosing a side is coward – and wrong. Not choosing a side is Elthina. The Inquisition treated the problem badly.
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Post by jaerick243 on Jun 29, 2018 1:10:37 GMT
Brave would be killing both Meredith and Orsino at the start of the final quest and taking over the city, which is unavailable. choosing a side is cowardly. Sera is right, most people are stupid, even Hawke. Siding with either does not matter because war starts and no one can win it, except for the Inquisition, so nothing to gain from rebelling, except more killing. Anders is best un-romanced, not supported and dead. He was gone from the start of DA2. Not choosing a side is coward – and wrong. Not choosing a side is Elthina. Forcing peace is brave. Elthina was wait and see. I am talking Take over the City, not with the Templars, but with the City Guard and the people. That is brave. Mage is nothing. Templar is nothing. It is a forced choice for the sake of a forced choice.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 29, 2018 1:16:36 GMT
Not choosing a side is coward – and wrong. Not choosing a side is Elthina. Forcing peace is brave. Elthina was wait and see. I am talking Take over the City, not with the Templars, but with the City Guard and the people. That is brave. Mage is nothing. Templar is nothing. It is a forced choice for the sake of a forced choice. Take over the city with the City guards – against Meredith's Templars... You're kidding, aren't you? What the difference? Where's the peace? You can't force the peace, where the peace's not an option. Viscount Perrin Threnhold attempted to expel the Templar Order from Kirkwall, and killed the Knight-Commander... The Templars won... Elthina was idiot/malevolent – or both.
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Post by jaerick243 on Jun 29, 2018 1:21:37 GMT
Forcing peace is brave. Elthina was wait and see. I am talking Take over the City, not with the Templars, but with the City Guard and the people. That is brave. Mage is nothing. Templar is nothing. It is a forced choice for the sake of a forced choice. Take over the city with the City guards – against Meredith's Templars... You're kidding, aren't you? What the difference? Where's the peace? You can't force the peace, where the peace's not an option. Elthina was idiot/malevolent – or both. I am going to end this argument with this: The Choice does not matter because there was soo much more to the war between mages and Templars then what one Ferelden Refugee, apostate mage or not, chooses when one single chantry gets blown up. It matters so little to the long term story, that I do not feel that why someone chooses a side is important to discuss online. What you do in your Thedas is your business, not mine. My world state has Hawke killing Anders, and Varric keeping his lyrium shard, and The sibling in the wardens rather than the Templars/Circle, as that is all that really matters in the long run.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 29, 2018 1:31:22 GMT
Take over the city with the City guards – against Meredith's Templars... You're kidding, aren't you? What the difference? Where's the peace? You can't force the peace, where the peace's not an option. Elthina was idiot/malevolent – or both. I am going to end this argument with this: The Choice does not matter because there was soo much more to the war between mages and Templars then what one Ferelden Refugee, apostate mage or not, chooses when one single chantry gets blown up. It matters so little to the long term story, that I do not feel that why someone chooses a side is important to discuss online. What you do in your Thedas is your business, not mine. My world state has Hawke killing Anders, and Varric keeping his lyrium shard, and The sibling in the wardens rather than the Templars/Circle, as that is all that really matters in the long run. Ah, I see... and which choice matters better than Hawkes'? This is a series, just see the Inquisition's end. I suppose our Divine choice doesn't matter more in the next part, than Hawke's rebellion.
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Post by jaerick243 on Jun 29, 2018 1:42:50 GMT
I am going to end this argument with this: The Choice does not matter because there was soo much more to the war between mages and Templars then what one Ferelden Refugee, apostate mage or not, chooses when one single chantry gets blown up. It matters so little to the long term story, that I do not feel that why someone chooses a side is important to discuss online. What you do in your Thedas is your business, not mine. My world state has Hawke killing Anders, and Varric keeping his lyrium shard, and The sibling in the wardens rather than the Templars/Circle, as that is all that really matters in the long run. Ah, I see... and which choice matters better than Hawkes'? This is a series, just see the Inquisition's end. I suppose our Divine choice doesn't matter more in the next part, than Hawke's rebellion.You got it. The Choice does not matter in long run. No choice matters any more than any other, because they are simply choices that may, at best, get some reference, but are not really world changing. Hawke's choice does not matter, the event itself is what matters in the long run. It is a combination of choices that change kingdoms, not a single choice.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 29, 2018 1:46:19 GMT
Ah, I see... and which choice matters better than Hawkes'? This is a series, just see the Inquisition's end. I suppose our Divine choice doesn't matter more in the next part, than Hawke's rebellion.You got it. The Choice does not matter in long run. No choice matters any more than any other, because they are simply choices that may, at best, get some reference, but are not really world changing. It is a combination of choices that change kingdoms, not a single choice. I knew it always. But I love that still (not really the Inquisition, rather Hawke's story). Everyone's matter – but we don't see the end game .
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Post by jaerick243 on Jun 29, 2018 2:04:36 GMT
You got it. The Choice does not matter in long run. No choice matters any more than any other, because they are simply choices that may, at best, get some reference, but are not really world changing. It is a combination of choices that change kingdoms, not a single choice. I knew it always. But I love that still (not really the Inquisition, rather Hawke's story). Everyone's matter – but we don't see the end game . I am done with this. Hawke would not have had to choose if not for the choices of Anders, Meredith and Orsino. Same as any other person. Hawke's choice does not matter because it only matters to that event, not to the larger story of the rebellion, which is based on choices made by other people, and not simply Hawke. Now can we drop this?
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Post by Catilina on Jun 29, 2018 2:20:32 GMT
I knew it always. But I love that still (not really the Inquisition, rather Hawke's story). Everyone's matter – but we don't see the end game. I am done with this. Hawke would not have had to choose if not for the choices of Anders, Meredith and Orsino. Same as any other person. Hawke's choice does not matter because it only matters to that event, not to the larger story of the rebellion, which is based on choices made by other people, and not simply Hawke. Now can we drop this? I didn't say that. Just because Hawke's decision perhaps no matters, not means, he wouldn't have to choose sides. Everyone should choose. Always. It does not matter how much it counts at the end. Every choice count. If everyone just waits for someone else's decision, nothing would happen. If people did their choices, they have done their duty, whatever happens in the end game. Now we can drop it.
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I see you don't understand how Catalina works.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 0:15:31 GMT
It says a lot about the contents of your character if you don't get along with someone because they have differing opinions on the matter. I personally do not hold anything against you for supporting Orisino, the man that literally betrays you at the very end despite supporting him. Or the fact he let your mum be killed and turned into an abomination by turning her into a zombified version of his wife. Oh yes, Orisino knew about him and even learned how to turn into a Harvester because of him. Or the fact the mages constantly do things against you in game (like kidnapping your sister/lover), or the rapid blood mages on the streets of Kirkwall whom attack you on sight or the fact the mages aren't trustworthy in the slightest and do everything in their power to prove this too you. Yes Meredith has her flaws, but so does Orisino too.
Flaws? She's a mad criminal tyrant. An d no: Orsino's not her opponent. They're not equal. You can hate Orsino, he still just a senior prisoner, nothing more. But Meredith is the most powerful person right after Elthina – with an army.Hawke can despise Orsino, and still protect his/her people (and Bethany!), who are innocents (they're still not Grace and Quentin – if they're Quentin, then Kirkwall's inhabitants are all Kelder...) They just fight against Meredith's mad Templars who want to massacre them like cattle at the slaughterhouse – without cause, driven with mere hatred and fear.Not mentioned, we don't know anything, how much Orsino knew about Quentin's experiments. I suppose he didn't know about the zombie-wife.Last thing read the bolded text on the top. Second one, yes as does the blood mages towards Hawke & other innocent people on the streets of Kirkwall. Not really, he has enough freedom to argue with Meredith about her actions.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 5, 2018 0:27:18 GMT
Flaws? She's a mad criminal tyrant. And no: Orsino's not her opponent. They're not equal. You can hate Orsino, he still just a senior prisoner, nothing more. But Meredith is the most powerful person right after Elthina – with an army. Hawke can despise Orsino, and still protect his/her people (and Bethany!), who are innocents (they're still not Grace and Quentin – if they're Quentin, then Kirkwall's inhabitants are all Kelder...) They just fight against Meredith's mad Templars who want to massacre them like cattle at the slaughterhouse – without cause, driven with mere hatred and fear.
Not mentioned, we don't know anything, how much Orsino knew about Quentin's experiments. I suppose he didn't know about the zombie-wife. Last thing read the bolded text on the top. Second one, yes as does the blood mages towards Hawke & other innocent people on the streets of Kirkwall. Not really, he has enough freedom to argue with Meredith about her actions. Again: if the blood mages and Quentin are the "mages" – then Kelder and the murderer criminals on Kirkwall's streets are the "innocent people of Kirkwall". Orsino maybe can argue with Meredith – but Meredith can kill and tranquillize mages inside the Circle, without consequences – because Elthina protects her. This is not equal position. But okay, you can defend a mad tyrant criminal... it's your choice.
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Last thing read the bolded text on the top. Second one, yes as does the blood mages towards Hawke & other innocent people on the streets of Kirkwall. Not really, he has enough freedom to argue with Meredith about her actions. Again: if the blood mages and Quentin are the "mages" – then Kelder and the murderer criminals on Kirkwall's streets are the "innocent people of Kirkwall".
Orsino maybe can argue with Meredith – but Meredith can kill and tranquillize mages inside the Circle, without consequences – because Elthina protects her. This is not equal position. But okay, you can defend a mad tyrant criminal... it's your choice.Kelder actually wasn't innocent at all, he proves to me that even harrowed mages can have trouble with magic and thus need supervision in order to keep them in line. He proves that mages are indeed dangerous. I'm fairly certain that Orisino wasn't tranquilized now was he? I'm not defending the tryant anymore than you are defending a traitor that uses unlawful and illegal magic against you regardless of which side you choice.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 5, 2018 7:57:10 GMT
Again: if the blood mages and Quentin are the "mages" – then Kelder and the murderer criminals on Kirkwall's streets are the "innocent people of Kirkwall".
Orsino maybe can argue with Meredith – but Meredith can kill and tranquillize mages inside the Circle, without consequences – because Elthina protects her. This is not equal position. But okay, you can defend a mad tyrant criminal... it's your choice. Kelder actually wasn't innocent at all, he proves to me that even harrowed mages can have trouble with magic and thus need supervision in order to keep them in line. He proves that mages are indeed dangerous. I'm fairly certain that Orisino wasn't tranquilized now was he?
I'm not defending the tryant anymore than you are defending a traitor that uses unlawful and illegal magic against you regardless of which side you choice. Kelder was not a mage – Kelder was the Magistrate's son, who killed and tortured elven children. He was a paedophile serial killer, true he killed only unknown elven children, not Hawke's mother... So: if Quentin's the "mages" – then Kelder is Kirkwall's inhabitant. What tranquility do you speak about? Orsino's tranquil? Sorry, my English is weak. I just say Meredith attacks Hawke, whatever Hawke supports her, and wants to kill every mage so congratulation to your taste. (Yes, she shows mercy to the mages, if Hawke asks for it – but just because she know, she will kill Hawke, and execute the mages. She was mad.)
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Post by Beerfish on Jul 15, 2018 2:59:58 GMT
I think i had one game in which i did not side with meredith. Her side was the most logical and best way to handle the problem and it was 100% born out in what happened in the end. Anders did the deed and Orsino was a fraud blood mage in waiting all along. Too bad little miss britches mother superior did not give Meredith the backing she deserved or the bad mages would have been weeded out thus saving hundreds if not thousands of mage lives in the end.
Moron Anders was happy to have the blood of thousands of mages on his hands because as a mage he was not allowed to go to the mall when he wanted.
I only wish Meredith could have gutted Anders personally before she went lyrium mad.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 15, 2018 14:21:29 GMT
I think i had one game in which i did not side with meredith. Her side was the most logical and best way to handle the problem and it was 100% born out in what happened in the end. Anders did the deed and Orsino was a fraud blood mage in waiting all along. Too bad little miss britches mother superior did not give Meredith the backing she deserved or the bad mages would have been weeded out thus saving hundreds if not thousands of mage lives in the end. Moron Anders was happy to have the blood of thousands of mages on his hands because as a mage he was not allowed to go to the mall when he wanted. I only wish Meredith could have gutted Anders personally before she went lyrium mad. Clearly a mad tyrant with army is the safest solution ever.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 15, 2018 16:03:22 GMT
People can talk about blood magic all day long (and I'm all for it, by the way), but what Meredith did had nothing to do with blood magic. The attack on the chantry was carried out by one man, who hated blood magic as much as she did - Meredith had him at her mercy and she didn't care, all she could think of was using his actions as a pretext to kill innocent mages.
To be fair, at least Meredith was under the influence of the idol. Cullen, Carver and the rest had no such excuse for going along with her massacre (I wonder how many mages they killed before they met Hawke).
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