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Post by Fredward on Jul 8, 2018 19:12:49 GMT
Definitely not in isolation. I've seen a new trend with long time gamers praising games that respect their time and/or are on the shorter side, that's not gonna be the core demographic if Bioware is aiming for constant engagement with their live service elements. You'd want them on the initial buying round though at least since they're also the people most likely to have the resources to splurge on gaming.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 8, 2018 19:51:29 GMT
Definitely not in isolation. I've seen a new trend with long time gamers praising games that respect their time and/or are on the shorter side, that's not gonna be the core demographic if Bioware is aiming for constant engagement with their live service elements. You'd want them on the initial buying round though at least since they're also the people most likely to have the resources to splurge on gaming. Where did BioWare really say that was the demographic they were after? They are after sales numbers that justify their existence and the type of games you describe don't sell as well as games that have a perceived openness to them. BioWare cannot cater to every group that wants something out of them so they chase where the money is and not where [edit for mistype] player's opinions are. I think Andromeda is a good example of aiming for what people are saying they want is just a recipe for disaster. Edit: Fixed a mistake.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 8, 2018 20:24:52 GMT
Definitely not in isolation. I've seen a new trend with long time gamers praising games that respect their time and/or are on the shorter side, that's not gonna be the core demographic if Bioware is aiming for constant engagement with their live service elements. You'd want them on the initial buying round though at least since they're also the people most likely to have the resources to splurge on gaming. Where did BioWare really say that was the demographic they were after? They are after sales numbers that justify their existence and the type of games you describe don't sell as well as games that have a perceived openness to them. BioWare cannot cater to every group that wants something out of them so they chase where the money is and not where the money was. I think Andromeda is a good example of aiming for what people are saying they want is just a recipe for disaster. Agreed. According to a recent episode of Rooster Teeth's "Glitch Please", NPD (a company that tracks video game sales) reported that games with perceived longevity and an "infinite" nature sell better than finite games with similar user and professional ratings, even when the "service"-type games have less perceived quality. So the way to make money, which is what companies like EA want for them and their investors, is to make those games with a perceived "infinite" nature.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 8, 2018 21:58:59 GMT
I'm so sorry but...are you TRYING to he daft?? Of course I'm trying to be daft, a reductio ad absurdum argument seemed the way to go. I'm trying to find a level of logic that matches the arguments that you have been making. If Anthem fails, you want BioWare to 'go back to making 'original Dragon Age style' games, when DA4 has been in development already for 3.5 years? That makes no sense. You've just demolished my argument which is structurally similar to your own. "Old school" is just old. We'll see more about what Anthem, DA4 and future Mass Effect are in due course (plus smaller experimental games). Then we can choose to buy or not. Hell yes. You are the right person for the job. Thank you.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 8, 2018 22:26:12 GMT
Definitely not in isolation. I've seen a new trend with long time gamers praising games that respect their time and/or are on the shorter side, that's not gonna be the core demographic if Bioware is aiming for constant engagement with their live service elements. You'd want them on the initial buying round though at least since they're also the people most likely to have the resources to splurge on gaming. "Respecting their time" is actually why a lots of online multiplayer games are so popular. They are designed to hit the sweet spot of 15-30 minutes free time available while allowing players to feel like they progressed or accomplished something.
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Post by biggydx on Jul 8, 2018 22:26:13 GMT
Patience young padawan. We all want to see how the story checks out, but most developers don't showcase story tidbits this early before a games release. I'd also argue that it may be worth giving them time to release story focused trailers; so that they can be polished. I certainly would NOT like to see a repeat of the Sarah Ryder stale face issues from the official Andromeda trailer (the one where she steals the gun from a Turian).
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Post by biggydx on Jul 8, 2018 22:28:50 GMT
And that is, to me, dishonest as fuck because they are actively leading people on. Did night just become day? Black become white? Up become down? Because I'm pretty sure you spelled honest as fuck wrong. I dunno, this all seems like you are setting up a trap with a self-fulfilling prophecy. You know perfectly well that your laundry list of expectations are not going to be met, so why wait? Pull the trigger now and get on with the real hating. And I don't see how you can read Bioware's strategy as anything other than completely transparent. Leading people on? They've made it abundantly clear than Anthem is not like Mass Effect or Dragon Age. It would take willful blindness not to read that writing on the wall. For E3 they put action, combat, and co-op play front and center, and quite bluntly deferred story and character until a later date, while dropping the ax on romances. And online only, and FPP only in the hub. That's about as clear a message as you can get that this is not your father's Bioware game, without it being written in legalese. At the very least, give them credit for being very up front about no romances. They could have sandbagged that. Lot's of reasons to have sandbagged it, given that they deferred story and character anyway. But they didn't, because doing so would have been dishonest. So having been straight-up about what was possibly the most disappointing change for diehard Bioware fans, why would they lie about something that's relatively small potatoes? I'm especially proud of the Bio Devs that frequent the Anthem subreddit as well. Brenon Holmes has become a staple in the community there, and I've seen a lot of new Bio Dev faces there in recent weeks as well. They've been very transparent and communicative up until this point.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 9, 2018 13:20:31 GMT
And that is, to me, dishonest as fuck because they are actively leading people on. By having the most information shared about a BioWare game at an equivalent point? Doesn't sound like leading anyone on to me. no, by actively avoiding to compare their new game to their old ones in terms of single player campaign, choices, outcomes, story delivery, value of replayability and whatnot (btw...if you can randomly replay missions as per the last stream I am really questioning just how important decisions and consequences and the whole Role Play aspect really is). I know they released a ton of info, I also know that THAT info is aimed to show us how Destiny-like this game is not how well their single player experience compares to their older games....which is what a lot of people would like to know.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jul 9, 2018 13:29:18 GMT
Patience young padawan. We all want to see how the story checks out, but most developers don't showcase story tidbits this early before a games release. I'd also argue that it may be worth giving them time to release story focused trailers; so that they can be polished. I certainly would NOT like to see a repeat of the Sarah Ryder stale face issues from the official Andromeda trailer (the one where she steals the gun from a Turian). sure, and that is reasonable but the game has been in development for 5 years and was meant to release in the fall. Now that has been changed to February but the game is likely on feature lockdown by now so they SHOULD be able to produce something about not just the story but its delivery and the actual roleplay elements.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 9, 2018 13:52:48 GMT
they SHOULD be able to produce something about not just the story but its delivery and the actual roleplay elements. It's my understanding that story will be addressed in the next reveal in late summer.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 9, 2018 14:00:55 GMT
Patience young padawan. We all want to see how the story checks out, but most developers don't showcase story tidbits this early before a games release. I'd also argue that it may be worth giving them time to release story focused trailers; so that they can be polished. I certainly would NOT like to see a repeat of the Sarah Ryder stale face issues from the official Andromeda trailer (the one where she steals the gun from a Turian). sure, and that is reasonable but the game has been in development for 5 years and was meant to release in the fall. Now that has been changed to February but the game is likely on feature lockdown by now so they SHOULD be able to produce something about not just the story but its delivery and the actual roleplay elements. So you want to see unfinished content that might or might not make it into the final game? I remember BioWare doing that in the past and due to problems at the end was cut. Nobody got bent out of shape because of that. Feature lockdown doesn't mean that there is all kinds of finished content to demonstrate or the voice acting has been finished and fully implemented either, it just means they aren't adding new content, but content can still be polished/removed/created.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 11, 2018 11:25:29 GMT
sure, and that is reasonable but the game has been in development for 5 years and was meant to release in the fall. Now that has been changed to February but the game is likely on feature lockdown by now so they SHOULD be able to produce something about not just the story but its delivery and the actual roleplay elements. Not disagreeing with your point, but it's worth mentioning that being in "development for 5 years" doesn't necessarily mean that the game has been continuously worked on all that time though.
Andromeda was in development for the same amount of time, but the actual game was only worked on for about 18 months. Wasn't it recently mentioned by one of the devs that the last 6 months before MEA's launch was mostly dedicated to making the game playable, rather than polishing story, animations and gameplay elements?
From what we can tell, it doesn't appear like Anthem has suffered the production pitfalls and setbacks that MEA had, but it's still a good lesson that we shouldn't always rely on the amount of development time as an accurate indicator of a game's quality.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 11, 2018 13:41:32 GMT
sure, and that is reasonable but the game has been in development for 5 years and was meant to release in the fall. Now that has been changed to February but the game is likely on feature lockdown by now so they SHOULD be able to produce something about not just the story but its delivery and the actual roleplay elements. Not disagreeing with your point, but it's worth mentioning that being in "development for 5 years" doesn't necessarily mean that the game has been continuously worked on all that time though.
Andromeda was in development for the same amount of time, but the actual game was only worked on for about 18 months. Wasn't it recently mentioned by one of the devs that the last 6 months before MEA's launch was mostly dedicated to making the game playable, rather than polishing story, animations and gameplay elements?
From what we can tell, it doesn't appear like Anthem has suffered the production pitfalls and setbacks that MEA had, but it's still a good lesson that we shouldn't always rely on the amount of development time as an accurate indicator of a game's quality.
The problem is that we have no idea what normal for game development is so going by that one person speaking anonymously doesn't put anything into context.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 12, 2018 9:11:20 GMT
I just pondered:
If you found an "Old fan attractor" in a game - would you install it?
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Post by PillarBiter on Jul 13, 2018 6:31:09 GMT
I just pondered: If you found an "Old fan attractor" in a game - would you install it? If you did, it would just repeat the same message over radio chatter continuously: "This sucks! You suck! ... Shut up ma, I'm playing!!"
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 13, 2018 8:51:06 GMT
I just pondered: If you found an "Old fan attractor" in a game - would you install it? If you did, it would just repeat the same message over radio chatter continuously: "This sucks! You suck! ... Shut up ma, I'm playing!!"
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