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Post by eaglepursuit on Feb 10, 2023 23:17:55 GMT
Since the leaks seen to indicate we're fighting a lot of darkspawn, possibly indicating a blight, maybe the reason Solas was mad about the grey warden plan to kill the old gods before they became archdemons was that HE was planning on using them/a blight? When the playtesters say that the Darkspawn figure heavily into the game, it's important to remember that the scope of their play test seems limited to Weisshaupt. It's not surprising to encounter darkspawn and Wardens in context of one another.
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Post by necrowaif on Feb 10, 2023 23:19:53 GMT
I'mma throw out a theory I saw on Reddit that Solas has teamed up with the Architect to use the red lyrium idol for whatever scheme he is planning.
And in exchange for his help, Solas has promised the Architect a massive quantity of Grey Warden blood that he can use to "awaken" more darkspawn.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 10, 2023 23:24:09 GMT
I really hope it isn’t a Blight. To have the main threat of the first game be a side quest line in this one just devalues DAO.
It’d be much better if it is simply the Darkspawn launching a big raid on the surface or these Darkspawn are being manipulated either by the Red Lyrium or whoever is controlling the Red Lyrium like Solas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 11, 2023 8:25:13 GMT
Since the leaks seen to indicate we're fighting a lot of darkspawn, possibly indicating a blight, maybe the reason Solas was mad about the grey warden plan to kill the old gods before they became archdemons was that HE was planning on using them/a blight? I still think it has more to do with a connection between the Old Gods and the Evanuris, which seemed reinforced by their latest trailer. I think killing the Old God actually aids his enemies, either freeing a piece of their soul to unite with the original (as was the case with Corypheus and his dragon) or weakening the seals on their prison (each Old God corresponding to a seal). However, that doesn't mean he might not have a use for the darkspawn and even instigated the attack on Weisshaupt. I'm also convinced that red lyrium is the reason he feels he has no choice but to act because the world is doomed anyway now it has been released on to the surface. He said he acted originally because otherwise the Evanuris would have destroyed the world. I think they wanted to use or had already begun to use red lyrium. The idol was likely the ultimate weapon that Merrill said they wanted in her version of their imprisonment and the desire for which allowed him to lure them into his trap. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 11, 2023 8:35:34 GMT
It doesn't mean that darkspawn are significant to the entire game though. I think they must play a major part considering they featured among the enemies listed in the 2020 trailer, along with demons, dragons and the Dread Wolf. Whilst they clearly liked the alliteration in that phrase, why mention an enemy that is only going to feature in one small section of the game? One of the curious aspects of DAI was that even though Corypheus was an ancient darkspawn, they played only a very minor role in the game. This was particularly noticeable considering we were told they had been attracted to his prison in Legacy and he was giving off a false Calling, amplified by the Nightmare Demon, that was freaking out the Grey Wardens. The Calling is simply what the Grey Wardens call the song of the Arch-demon when they can no longer resist it but is constantly there in the back of their mind from the moment they take the Joining. Apparently Corypheus was able to fine tune his false Calling so it only affected the Grey Wardens but didn't trigger a Blight. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 11, 2023 8:45:44 GMT
It’d be much better if it is simply the Darkspawn launching a big raid on the surface or these Darkspawn are being manipulated either by the Red Lyrium or whoever is controlling the Red Lyrium like Solas. Or alternatively the Venatori. They must have a considerable stash of the stuff considering the Wigmaker could use it so indiscriminately. The darkspawn have also been shown in several pieces of concept art and in the 2020 trailer as infected/power boosted with red lyrium. Unless they just stumbled upon it accidentally, that suggests someone is deliberately feeding them with it. This seems borne out by the leak as they mention the darkspawn having red glowing eyes. Likely the reason they are in Weisshaupt is that there is something there that the person controlling them wants. That could be either Solas or the Venatori, or both want the item but are using different ways of attempting to get to it. (I still think we will find that Solas continues to drop breadcrumbs so we go where he wants us to).
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Post by Solas on Feb 11, 2023 22:09:45 GMT
about the emojis I wouldn't read too much into the white/light hair part of the male elf. it seems that the leaker was trying to convey a male Black or brown elf and I think on some devices the elf emoji has light hair and on some it has dark hair. the pointy ears + skin color was the [excuse the pun] point.
in the new comic Harding's hair looks kinda red. also we've had instances of char designs changing between games e.g. Merrill and Isabela between DAO and DA2, when they became companions.
for the emojis my current theory/guesses for companions and such:
- Rook: PC
- Davrin: warrior (with a 'knightly' spec like a guardian or similar, plus a 'knightly' personality, which came across in his heroic "Nobody dies on my watch!"), Warden, dude, elf, man (well, elf) of colour. refreshing that the Warden companion isn't a human in this main entry to the franchise (Awakening being a expansion). also refreshing to have an elf who is a warrior again for once rather than another rogue or mage. represented by the first emoji. since something wild is going on with the darkspawn, Weisshaupt is under attack etc it makes sense to have a Warden to offer opinions and stuff on that.
- Harding: the lady dwarf rogue mentioned. with a bit of a refreshed or updated design to give her look more character/notability, like the change in Merrill or Bela in DA2 altho probably not so drastic. represented by the second emoji. Inquisition 'face/rep' on the team [not Varric, who I don't think will be a companion. he's about co-ordinating things in the background, gives quests, Advising, or put the team together and then peaced out or something]
- lady mage: represented by the third emoji. maybe Maevaris, which would give Tevinter presence on the team along with some trans rep. I'd be surprised if there was not a trans and/or nonbinary companion in this game.
- Bellara: I just think that if, from how things seem at the moment, if Davrin is a companion I feel like the other voice actor and character they would have shown in that trailer would also be a companion, so that was them basically introducing us for the first time to one dude companion and one lady companion. unsure of her class, race etc.
- a lady Qunari: I think they'd be wild to not give us one on the roster for the fifth time. unsure of her class etc.
- ghost skull flaming entity: distinct look that repeats in concept art, would be the 'wild card/unique' one like Shale, Justice, Cole
- and some others. mostly if not all dudes to balance it out
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Post by q5tyhj on Feb 11, 2023 23:17:32 GMT
I really hope it isn’t a Blight. To have the main threat of the first game be a side quest line in this one just devalues DAO. It’d be much better if it is simply the Darkspawn launching a big raid on the surface or these Darkspawn are being manipulated either by the Red Lyrium or whoever is controlling the Red Lyrium like Solas. I agree. If DA4 includes a Blight, that pretty much has be THE central conflict of the game/story. Anything else not only devalues DAO, but the entire internal/logical structure of the Dragon Age world as it has hitherto been set up; the Blights are near-apocalyptic events. And we already know (more or less) that the central conflict involves Solas and his plan to bring down the Veil. So, not a Blight. Probably (hopefully). My personal pet theory is that Solas, the Veil, the Darkspawn, and Red Lyrium are connected, hence the appearance of Darkspawn and Red Lyrium in the concept art and leaked materials... not because a Blight occurs, but because they are finally revealing the answer to one of the central mysteries of the Dragon Age world: the true cause of the Blights (the real cause, not fanciful Chantry dogma), the (true) nature of the Black City, and the relation between the Old Gods and the Evanuris: I personally suspect that the true cause of the Blights + source of red lyrium are corrupted Titans (presumably corrupted when the Evanuris hunted them and harvested their hearts to make their orbs- think along the lines of what happens in Princess Mononoke when the forest spirit gets its head separated from its body), who Solas/Mythal decided to lock away in the Black City, somehow using the Old God dragons (who were probably themselves ancient Elves/peers of the Evanuris, in dragon form) as locks or guardians... which explains how Solas reacts to the Grey Warden's plan to pre-emptively find and kill the remaining Old God dragons in Inquisition.
So Solas bringing down the Veil isn't a Blight, per se... but it has a similar result as a Blight in that it removes the layer of protection between the physical world and the true source of red lyrium and the Blights: Blighted Titans. So its almost like, idk, a Super Mega-Blight? This is all just speculation and theory-crafting, but I'm quite convinced that its more or less on the right track, at least in general outline. Have to wait and see, I'm extremely excited to find out.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Feb 11, 2023 23:59:45 GMT
I'm curious to find out if there is a link between The red lyrium infested darkspawn attacking Weisshaupt and Meredith, who is apparently trapped in red lyrium. Per Absolution. It may be intentional,
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Post by xerrai on Feb 12, 2023 0:28:16 GMT
It’d be much better if it is simply the Darkspawn launching a big raid on the surface or these Darkspawn are being manipulated either by the Red Lyrium or whoever is controlling the Red Lyrium like Solas. Or alternatively the Venatori. They must have a considerable stash of the stuff considering the Wigmaker could use it so indiscriminately. The darkspawn have also been shown in several pieces of concept art and in the 2020 trailer as infected/power boosted with red lyrium. Unless they just stumbled upon it accidentally, that suggests someone is deliberately feeding them with it. This seems borne out by the leak as they mention the darkspawn having red glowing eyes. Likely the reason they are in Weisshaupt is that there is something there that the person controlling them wants. That could be either Solas or the Venatori, or both want the item but are using different ways of attempting to get to it. (I still think we will find that Solas continues to drop breadcrumbs so we go where he wants us to). The Wardens themselves are not off the table either. If they decided that red lyrium was useful in some way--be it as a weapon, drug enhancement, or even a means of controlling darkspawn (when combined with blood magic)--there is little doubt that they would begin experiments with it. It's not like it would be the first time they had an experimental ritual backfire on them either....
It has been suspected for a while that the Warden at the HQ are going through internal strife during and after DAI, so maybe red lyrium experiments would be part of the reason why?
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 13, 2023 8:55:21 GMT
It has been suspected for a while that the Warden at the HQ are going through internal strife during and after DAI, so maybe red lyrium experiments would be part of the reason why? I certainly wouldn't put it past the First Warden, who seemed to have political aspirations. I think the canon version has our Warden allowing Avernus to continue his research too, so this could have extended into the uses of red lyrium. Another possibility is our old friend, the Architect, or some other ancient Magister. If the red lyrium blocks the song of the Old Gods that could allow the darkspawn to be free of the Calling or subject to the control of another being. |
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Post by puddingtheruthless on Feb 15, 2023 20:29:45 GMT
 I hope the veilfire dead guy is Audric Felhausen. I really liked the "Down Among Dead Men" short story and he sounds like he could be fun as a companion. He's a normal guy who finds out he’s undead and just wants to learn, likes architecture and gets to run a library. Let me have an undead librarian for a companion. He has an interesting concept and I love his nice-and-down-to-earth-and-oh-my-god-i-love-books-and-architecture personality. If he's the veilfire guy, that normal personality also contrasts very nicely with his abnormal appearance. Given that he used to be a guardsman, my guess is that he'd probably be classed as a warrior with a special fade ghost spin. Audric Felhausen for companion and love interest in '23.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 15, 2023 21:43:15 GMT
I hope the veilfire dead guy is Audric Felhausen. I really liked the "Down Among Dead Men" short story and he sounds like he could be fun as a companion. He's a normal guy who finds out he’s undead and just wants to learn, likes architecture and gets to run a library. Let me have an undead librarian for a companion. He has an interesting concept and I love his nice-and-down-to-earth-and-oh-my-god-i-love-books-and-architecture personality. If he's the veilfire guy, that normal personality also contrasts very nicely with his abnormal appearance. Given that he used to be a guardsman, my guess is that he'd probably be classed as a warrior with a special fade ghost spin. Audric Felhausen for companion and love interest in '23. Besides the Female Qunari of course Veilfire / Ghost Rider has the best chance of all conceptart companions to be real. Let be honest he looks to unique and may say cool and interessing to be not a Dreadwolf companion!
He could be Audric who knows but i highly doubt that he is a romance option for obvious undead reasons.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Feb 15, 2023 21:51:18 GMT
I hope the veilfire dead guy is Audric Felhausen. I really liked the "Down Among Dead Men" short story and he sounds like he could be fun as a companion. He's a normal guy who finds out he’s undead and just wants to learn, likes architecture and gets to run a library. Let me have an undead librarian for a companion. He has an interesting concept and I love his nice-and-down-to-earth-and-oh-my-god-i-love-books-and-architecture personality. If he's the veilfire guy, that normal personality also contrasts very nicely with his abnormal appearance. Given that he used to be a guardsman, my guess is that he'd probably be classed as a warrior with a special fade ghost spin. Audric Felhausen for companion and love interest in '23. Besides the Female Qunari of course Veilfire / Ghost Rider has the best chance of all conceptart companions to be real. Let be honest he looks to unique and may say cool and interessing to be not a Dreadwolf companion!
He could be Audric who knows but i highly doubt that he is a romance option for obvious undead reasons.
A hypothetical Veilfire romance has big "rated M fanfic on AO3" potential. |
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Post by puddingtheruthless on Feb 15, 2023 22:00:33 GMT
Besides the Female Qunari of course Veilfire / Ghost Rider has the best chance of all conceptart companions to be real. Let be honest he looks to unique and may say cool and interessing to be not a Dreadwolf companion!
He could be Audric who knows but i highly doubt that he is a romance option for obvious undead reasons.
Him as a romance option is half a joke, half serious because it is a long shot, but at the same time, romance itself isn't physical so, to me, him being dead doesn't make a romance impossible: you just leave one out thing. You can do some fun drama and/or just wholesome stuff with that kind of romance: what's it like to find someone you love, but you're dead, so some things aren't going to be possible. You can't have children, you don't get to grow old with them, and when you're a skeleton on fire, it's hard to do normal couple stuff out in public. You can also focus on wholesome stuff because the romance is all about two people being attracted to each other due to their respective personality. The best romances, in my opinion, are built on the interactions between the characters. That's what adds substance and makes the romance something entertaining to watch and something memorable. (If there absolutely needs to be a sex scene, they always stick the option in the Fade and have him appear as his living self.) Also, vampires. Vampires are dead, but that hasn't stopped fiction from featuring them in so many romance stories that nobody really thinks about them being dead anymore - it's completely normalized. Fiction and people have basically turned vampires into something heavily associated with sex. The only difference, in the being dead department, between vampires and veilfire guy is that he looks the part. EDIT: Also, they need to keep topping themselves. In the first game, you could romance a woman who wanted to be impregnated with the soul of an eldritch creature. In the second game, you could romance a man that was voluntarily possessed by a spirit and blew up a church to kickstart a magical war. In the third game, you could unknowingly romance a man from ancient times who was revered as a god and now secretly wants to destroy the world (or something) How are you gonna top that last one? I'll tell you: an undead skeleton librarian who's magically on fire. That's how. That's how you push the envelope.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 15, 2023 22:26:40 GMT
Necrophilia is still illegal, so I doubt BioWare will have an undead companion as a romance.
Sure they could go the explicitly no sexual route, but I’d prefer that be because the LI is Ace and not because they’re a corpse.
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Post by puddingtheruthless on Feb 15, 2023 22:37:58 GMT
Necrophilia is still illegal, so I doubt BioWare will have an undead companion as a romance. Not in fiction if the corpse is sapient and consenting! Also, this theoretical romance would specifically not involve sexual attraction. Sure they could go the explicitly no sexual route, but I’d prefer that be because the LI is Ace and not because they’re a corpse. I get that - I'm ace. I'd personally be happy if the ace rep is Audric openly establishing that he was ace in life, which would be easy given what he describes of his pre-death life, but I get wanting open rep that isn't "necessitated" by something and the character being ace just because.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 16, 2023 0:01:48 GMT
Necrophilia is still illegal, so I doubt BioWare will have an undead companion as a romance. Not in fiction if the corpse is sapient and consenting! Also, this theoretical romance would specifically not involve sexual attraction. Sure they could go the explicitly no sexual route, but I’d prefer that be because the LI is Ace and not because they’re a corpse. I get that - I'm ace. I'd personally be happy if the ace rep is Audric openly establishing that he was ace in life, which would be easy given what he describes of his pre-death life, but I get wanting open rep that isn't "necessitated" by something and the character being ace just because. Yeah. Even if they establish he was in life, it’d still not be good Ace representation but just seen as “you can’t sleep with him just because he’s undead”. |
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 16, 2023 3:55:59 GMT
Necrophilia is still illegal, so I doubt BioWare will have an undead companion as a romance. It didn't stop Larian! The metric on in which DOS2 surpasses any BioWare game is the delightful weirdness of the romance options. Cannibal elf? Yep. A fire-breathing lizard? You got it. An actual skeleton? Sure, why not. In DOS2 the dwarf is the vanilla option.
I don't expect BioWare to make Mr. Skeleton Guy a romance because they are cowards but nothing is actually stopping them.
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Post by xerrai on Feb 16, 2023 4:10:17 GMT
Necrophilia is still illegal, so I doubt BioWare will have an undead companion as a romance. It didn't stop Larian! The metric on in which DOS2 surpasses any BioWare game is the delightful weirdness of the romance options. Cannibal elf? Yep. A fire-breathing lizard? You got it. An actual skeleton? Sure, why not. In DOS2 the dwarf is the vanilla option.
I don't expect BioWare to make Mr. Skeleton Guy a romance because they are cowards but nothing is actually stopping them.
I mean, I'd argue necrophilia became ok in media as soon as people started simping for vampires. So going for a Bone Daddy/Lady does not seem like much of a leap.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Feb 16, 2023 5:22:34 GMT
It didn't stop Larian! The metric on in which DOS2 surpasses any BioWare game is the delightful weirdness of the romance options. Cannibal elf? Yep. A fire-breathing lizard? You got it. An actual skeleton? Sure, why not. In DOS2 the dwarf is the vanilla option.
I don't expect BioWare to make Mr. Skeleton Guy a romance because they are cowards but nothing is actually stopping them.
I mean, I'd argue necrophilia became ok in media as soon as people started simping for vampires. So going for a Bone Daddy/Lady does not seem like much of a leap. Indeed. Romances between fantasy or science fiction weirdos and humans or relative humans is done pretty casually in media. Splice (2009) paired a weird hybrid creature with a scientist. There was a freaking Beauty and The Beast type show in the 80s where a woman loved a bizarre lion man who lived in the sewers (played by Ron Perlman). Ghost is about a dead guy being in love with Demi Moore. Romancing a skull guy is well within the spectrum of things that media, in all its permutations, has already done. Anyone who goes torches and pitchforks over it was already looking for something to complain about, and frankly lack imagination. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 16, 2023 13:49:56 GMT
Let me have an undead librarian for a companion. His love of learning could be the reason we recruit him because he already knows some things and has the curiosity to discover more. I do get the feeling that access to ancient information could be important in countering Solas. Given that he used to be a guardsman, my guess is that he'd probably be classed as a warrior with a special fade ghost spin. It is possible they intend reviving the Spirit Warrior specialism that was first showcased with Justice in DAA but updated, much as Arcane Warrior was from DAO. I would be okay with that. Audric Felhausen for companion and love interest in '23. Whoever the spirit guy is, I really think that romance will be off limits. Not every companion has to be a romance. You can also focus on wholesome stuff because the romance is all about two people being attracted to each other due to their respective personality. The best romances, in my opinion, are built on the interactions between the characters. That's what adds substance and makes the romance something entertaining to watch and something memorable. Okay, I get where you coming from on this but, let's face it, there are some strange people out there who would take it to creepy levels if he was a romance. Best just to stick with devoted friend for describing our relationship with him.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 16, 2023 14:12:39 GMT
How are you gonna top that last one? I'll tell you: an undead skeleton librarian who's magically on fire. That's how. That's how you push the envelope.  It's not obligatory to out do our previous experiences. Also, I would point out that there was nothing really weird about Solas when we were actually romancing him. As a player I was highly suspicious of his humble apostate guise but our PC would just see him as a bald headed elf. Granted his liking for laying around in ruins and communing with spirits there was a little odd but we never actually saw him doing this. Now when Audric originally became an undead person his body was only just deceased, so presumably he wouldn't look too odd and the spirit ought to have been able to preserve it in the same state. Justice's body wasn't so good because the person it belonged to had died some days/weeks before he took up residence, so had already begun to decompose. By contrast, when the spirit saved Wynne from dying, it presumably preserved her at that stage of her aging process. However, if the glowing skeleton head is Audric, then this is something wholly outside our previous experience because he continued on even though the flesh had disintegrated, which is strange because I thought the Necromancers of Nevarra mummified the bodies of the dead in order to preserve them. Still, whether romancing a skeleton or a mummified body, that is weirdness taken to a new level and then some. It is not the same as romancing a vampire because they still look human but with a rather pale complexion and a big toothy smile (usually just before they go for your neck). There is a reason why people find them sexy and it is not because they look like death warmed up.
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Post by githcheater on Feb 16, 2023 14:29:28 GMT
I mean, I'd argue necrophilia became ok in media as soon as people started simping for vampires. So going for a Bone Daddy/Lady does not seem like much of a leap. Indeed. Romances between fantasy or science fiction weirdos and humans or relative humans is done pretty casually in media. Splice (2009) paired a weird hybrid creature with a scientist. There was a freaking Beauty and The Beast type show in the 80s where a woman loved a bizarre lion man who lived in the sewers (played by Ron Perlman). Ghost is about a dead guy being in love with Demi Moore. Romancing a skull guy is well within the spectrum of things that media, in all its permutations, has already done. Anyone who goes torches and pitchforks over it was already looking for something to complain about, and frankly lack imagination. Bone Daddy ... mmm delicious
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Post by puddingtheruthless on Feb 16, 2023 15:33:03 GMT
Let me have an undead librarian for a companion. His love of learning could be the reason we recruit him because he already knows some things and has the curiosity to discover more. I do get the feeling that access to ancient information could be important in countering Solas. Exactly. He was shown to be really knowledgeable about architecture (including when some patterns came into fashion, how old some things were, when certain metals started to be used in this or that way) which is one of the reasons I think it would make sense if he was one of the companions. Okay, I get where you coming from on this but, let's face it, there are some strange people out there who would take it to creepy levels if he was a romance. Best just to stick with devoted friend for describing our relationship with him. Counterpoint: strange people are going to take anything to creepy levels - that's why we consider what they are doing to be creepy, rarely the story itself (unless it's encouraging or validating it in some way - example include: Star Wars' Reylo) In the Old Republic - another Bioware game - there's a companion to the Sith Warrior: her name was Vette and she starts out as a slave to the Sith Warrior character. She's also a romance option and for her romance to become available, she must have been freed beforehand (which you can do as soon as she is given to you) and it must be within a certain frame of time. Because she starts out a slave or has slavery as a background, some people get fucking creepy and quite frankly, really disturbed about her character. Examples include wanting her to be "romanceable" without freeing her. Their behavior has nothing to do with the character or romance - it has to do with the fact that they are creeps and the way they are dealt with is not by shackling creative freedom and taking away something whole and fun, but by shunning the creeps socially. Seriously, Vette is one of the best and most adorable romances in the game. Second example: Tevinter slavery where some people (unknowingly, in some cases) end up using real-life slavery apologia in their arguments about how slavery totally isn't evil and it's moral grey, guys! It doesn't matter how much the Dragon Age games hammer home that slavery is bad; these people don't listen and in some cases, they are doing it in direct response to this "black-and-white" morality. Yes, there are probably some people who are going to take it to creepy levels, but that's a problem with them and we'd be shunning them anyway.
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It's not obligatory to out do our previous experiences. Also, I would point out that there was nothing really weird about Solas when we were actually romancing him. As a player I was highly suspicious of his humble apostate guise but our PC would just see him as a bald headed elf. Granted his liking for laying around in ruins and communing with spirits there was a little odd but we never actually saw him doing this.