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Post by Blaze on Dec 13, 2018 9:31:04 GMT
Hrrrnh ... hrrnnh ... blergh ... Sorry, I just get a little vomit in my throat when Blandman and Tessandra are mentioned. *rolles eyes* I think I'm one of the few people here who actually didn't mind their characters. Sure Vaea blew them out of the water, but I still liked them. hardly, they are great, both of them. some people just have bad taste.
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Post by Enrychan on Dec 13, 2018 10:05:09 GMT
I'll be honest, I'm a little disappointed about Olivia's death, she was my favorite character besides ser Aaron&Vaea. Calix... I mean, the fact that he's an idiot but slowly learning is kind of endearing, but... let's just say I hope Olivia's death will at least make him grow a lot as a character my heart is always with Dorian of course, especially now that Qarinus has been invaded. I know Bioware won't let him die in the comics, but I'm worried nonetheless (since he's like. my fave from everything ever) now in theory we should meet Tessa and Marius again. I will say, up until now I thought they were extremely bland and boring (Marius especially), but I'm confident they will be handled a lot better by the new writers. they have already proven themselves with all the other characters. I can't wait to read the sequel!
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Post by MiniatureDragon on Dec 13, 2018 11:57:21 GMT
I'm just going to post my reddit post here... I feel like the information Solas is after is the location of the other orbs! One of the party banters between Dorian and Solas is a discussion about Dorian recalling seeing paintings with orbs similar to the one Cory has in the archives in Tevinter. We already saw what one orb can do now think of what Solas can do with a bunch of them! Here's the party banter between them!
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Post by Solas on Dec 13, 2018 15:17:59 GMT
Well, I enjoyed that and am definitely looking forward to wherever this goes next! I like that the remaining characters have accidentally formed a proper Dragon Age party with a tank, a mage and a couple of rogues. And a dog!
Really looking forward to House Danarius. (Whatever medium that gets followed up in.) Glad you enjoyed it. And that party composition was not an accident. Christina and I are building a bit by design. Though right now, this group also includes Tessa and Marius. Mr nunziodefilippis , if I may ask, why are Gaius' eyes red/reddish in some panels? is it just their natural color in some lightings, an art choice? I ask because red lyrium .. It was an artists' choice. However, I'm not opposed to the idea that he had a little of the Red Lyrium's influence still affecting him (not Bartrand level, but still). Something to think about, I suppose... Solas plan usually work better when he involves himself on the execution of them. That's true of most people's plans, sadly. The larger the number of people involved, the more likely someone will screw it up. Thank you for the response. I have some questions too and I hope you can answer them: What happened to Dorian? Is he safe? Did he managed to escape? As mentioned below, we'd never kill Dorian. His fate after our mini, however, is out of our hands. He already answered this question. See Page 15 of this thread.
"Not to worry - Bioware wouldn't let us kill Dorian. Not sure what his fate is beyond our story, though..." But i have one. Why isn´t Deception included in the Dragon Age Libary Edition Volume 2?
And just out of curiosity how many pages have Deception in total?
I don´t expect that this enough to justify Dragon Age Libery Edition Volume 3 alone. Then we'd need other stuff to fill out Library Edition Volume 3. Can't say for sure that will happen, but that is certainly our hope. I know that Olivia is dead or is she still alive? Definitely dead Excellent!! Very interesting. thank you kindly :]
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Post by phoray on Dec 13, 2018 15:38:10 GMT
So another comic is semi confirmed (sigh) no offense towards some lovely comics. But I would love a novel length amount of information to chew on where the characters have room to breathe before DA4 drops.
Deception was pretty hectic, introducing Olivia and her dog, Francesca, and Calix, those crows,and weird casual sex, and a War and a Fake Magister and Killin off somebody.
Deaths to people I met an hour ago are pretty meaningless to me.
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Post by MiniatureDragon on Dec 13, 2018 15:51:58 GMT
So another comic is semi confirmed (sigh) no offense towards some lovely comics. But I would love a novel length amount of information to chew on where the characters have room to breathe before DA4 drops. Deception was pretty hectic, introducing Olivia and her dog, Francesca, and Calix, those crows,and weird casual sex, and a War and a Fake Magister and Killin off somebody. Deaths to people I met an hour ago are pretty meaningless to me. Well maybe now that DA hype is at an all time high thanks to the Game Awards trailer, Bioware will use this opportunity to invest in a lengthier comic
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Post by Iddy on Dec 13, 2018 16:16:10 GMT
So... what the hell was Vaea so upset about? Because Ser Aaron wouldn't quit drinking?
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Post by phoray on Dec 13, 2018 16:26:34 GMT
So... what the hell was Vaea so upset about? Because Ser Aaron wouldn't quit drinking? He told her she'd inspired him to quit in the last comic. So now his drinking is tied to her directly (in regards to their friendship) as opposed to None of her Damn Business.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2018 16:28:58 GMT
So... what the hell was Vaea so upset about? Because Ser Aaron wouldn't quit drinking? It's not so much the drinking as what him quitting drinking represents. At the end of Knight Errant they make a pact with each other to help each other out since as the writers said they need each other, and part of that was Aaron quits drinking. Aaron is a man who always keeps his word and never wants to let people down, but then the only time he breaks his word is with Vaea which even becomes worse when he says things like "Maybe you're not inspiration enough". To someone who saw AAron as inspiration and changed her life because of it and him only breaking the promise he made with her, it felt like a betrayal.
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Post by Fredward on Dec 13, 2018 16:44:31 GMT
I liked it, managed to get me a little teary eyed there at the end which is about the max I'd ask a three issue comic to do. Kinda surprised that Ventus was taken off screen, probably means we'll be in the thick of the Qunari invasion from the start.
It also says very bad things for Tevinter preparedness that they'd let such an important port fall without any meaningful resistance, with control of Seheron and Ventus + a naval barricade between the two the Qunari will have cut off the possibility of naval reinforcements from the south. Probably. It depends on how navigable/qunari controlled the Boeric ocean is.
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Dec 13, 2018 16:50:50 GMT
Deaths to people I met an hour ago are pretty meaningless to me. Well, a couple of things in response to that. The first is that hopefully, you've spent more than an hour. Comics certainly can be "binge-read" by downloading all issues once a mini is complete, or reading a collected version. But as an art form, they were designed to come out in regular installments, and the time between issues is part of how we process them. Three issues of a miniseries should mean you spent two months with the story and the characters. There may be writers who "write for the trade" and write a comic assuming it'll be read all at once. Christina and I have never done that. Still, we know that many people read that way, and our writing needs to work for everyone, so the larger point stands: you say you can't invest in a character enough in an hour to make that character's death meaningful. That brings me to my second point. I don't think that's true. If it were, you'd never have cared about the death of anyone who didn't make it through most of the movie they were in. Ben Kenobi in Star Wars: A New Hope? Only in the movie for about an hour. Captain Dallas in Alien? About an hour. Mufasa in Lion King? About 30 minutes. The wife in Up? About 3 minutes. Each of these deaths (and many more) impacted the audience despite the audience having spent about an hour, and often a lot less, with them. I get wanting a deep dive in your stories, and favoring novels. I totally do. But I don't think you should dismiss the power of a death that comes a bit faster, in a form that doesn't allow that deep of a dive. Those deaths impacted people. The death in our book didn't impact you. I think the blame there needs to fall not on the format, but on our writing. It didn't work for you, and I'm sorry for that. I just don't want you giving up on a medium (comics) and a format (short miniseries) that holds a lot of potential great stories because this one didn't impact as much as you'd have liked.
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Dec 13, 2018 16:53:37 GMT
So... what the hell was Vaea so upset about? Because Ser Aaron wouldn't quit drinking? He's her mentor, and partner, and a bit of a father figure. If your "father" is an alcoholic, and he quits drinking, and then falls off the wagon, that's pretty upsetting. When he falls off the wagon, and you say "but you promised me..." and he says "you're not reason enough to quit" it hurts a lot more. It's not so much the drinking as what him quitting drinking represents. At the end of Knight Errant they make a pact with each other to help each other out since as the writers said they need each other, and part of that was Aaron quits drinking. Aaron is a man who always keeps his word and never wants to let people down, but then the only time he breaks his word is with Vaea which even becomes worse when he says things like "Maybe you're not inspiration enough". To someone who saw AAron as inspiration and changed her life because of it and him only breaking the promise he made with her, it felt like a betrayal. What Hanako said.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 13, 2018 17:19:56 GMT
I'm wondering if the next game is going to start with a mission rescuing Dorian. If he's in trouble at the time, then it damn well better.
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Post by phoray on Dec 13, 2018 17:25:52 GMT
I'm wondering if the next game is going to start with a mission rescuing Dorian. If he's in trouble at the time, then it damn well better. He came to rescue us in DAI it'd be neat to rescue him.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 13, 2018 17:40:12 GMT
If he's in trouble at the time, then it damn well better. He came to rescue us in DAI it'd be neat to rescue him. I wonder if/how Adoribull would factor in? I mean, the epilogue slides have him saving Dorian once already. Of course, that was more nearish to the border, I think?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2018 17:49:27 GMT
He came to rescue us in DAI it'd be neat to rescue him. I wonder if/how Adoribull would factor in? I mean, the epilogue slides have him saving Dorian once already. Of course, that was more nearish to the border, I think? I imagine if we help Dorian out a mission may involve the Bull's Chargers and if the two were in a romance there would be a few lines referencing that. If the Chargers are dead then either that mission doesn't happen or they are replaced with another group, similar to how ME3 had replacement characters if a squadmate was dead.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 13, 2018 18:03:03 GMT
Maybe... maybe Mae recruits us to help rescue Dorian? 👀 Kinda surprised that Ventus was taken off screen, probably means we'll be in the thick of the Qunari invasion from the start.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 13, 2018 18:05:47 GMT
I'm wondering if the next game is going to start with a mission rescuing Dorian. The qunari would never take a Tevinter mage prisoner, so I doubt it. They have a pretty strict "kill all unleashed mages" policy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2018 18:06:27 GMT
I'm wondering if the next game is going to start with a mission rescuing Dorian. The qunari would never take a Tevinter mage prisoner, so I doubt it. I thought they meant rescue him as the city was under siege.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 13, 2018 18:09:24 GMT
I also doubt that would be the case. I really don't believe that the comics are a tie-in to the games except in the most general sense (ie. Trespasser said the qunari were invading Tevinter, so the comic can safely depict one part of that invasion).
I know that everyone is shocked that Qarinus/Ventus actually fell to the qunari, but I actually expect this is fairly run-of-the-mill as far as Tevinter's war with the qunari goes. Territories are taken by one side and then the other side pushes them back. Then there's a bit of a pause for both sides to lick their wounds, and eventually the whole thing starts all over again.
Thus, I don't think the fall of the city HAS to be depicted in-game. It'll likely be a background event.
Of course, what may have changed in terms of the current conflict is that the qunari are super cereal because of Fen'Harel, and Tevinter is somewhat weakened due to so many mages and slaves joining the Venatori and then getting killed.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 13, 2018 18:10:00 GMT
I'm wondering if the next game is going to start with a mission rescuing Dorian. The qunari would never take a Tevinter mage prisoner, so I doubt it. They have a pretty strict "kill all unleashed mages" policy.
I agree that this is more of a the-city-is-burning scenario rather than a captured-by-the-enemy scenario (though... given Dorian's fantasy about being "kidnapped by burly qunari pirates" Lol ya never know 😎), but if the Qunari did want to capture him or any other Tevinter mage for information or leverage or whatever, I'm 100% sure they'd find a way to justify it as a demand of the Qun, taboos against magic be damned.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 13, 2018 18:25:23 GMT
I'm wondering if the next game is going to start with a mission rescuing Dorian. The qunari would never take a Tevinter mage prisoner, so I doubt it. They have a pretty strict "kill all unleashed mages" policy.
He's not just a mage, though. he's a magister. That gives him a potential political and intel value, which might keep him alive for a while. And that's not taking his Inquisition ties into account.
Heck, getting a prominent magister to convert to the Qun would be a boon as far as breaking the spirit of resistance in their new lands. And when this fails(cus its Dorian and there's no way it would work) then they might still prefer to turn him into one of those chemically lobotomized, zombie workers rather than kill him; again as a public show to break spirits.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 18:30:28 GMT
He came to rescue us in DAI it'd be neat to rescue him. I agree that this is more of a the-city-is-burning scenario rather than a captured-by-the-enemy scenario (though... given Dorian's fantasy about being "kidnapped by burly qunari pirates" Lol ya never know 😎), but if the Qunari did want to capture him or any other Tevinter mage for information or leverage or whatever, I'm 100% sure they'd find a way to justify it as a demand of the Qun, taboos against magic be damned. Yes, yes to all of this.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 13, 2018 18:47:31 GMT
Deaths to people I met an hour ago are pretty meaningless to me. Well, a couple of things in response to that. The first is that hopefully, you've spent more than an hour. Comics certainly can be "binge-read" by downloading all issues once a mini is complete, or reading a collected version. But as an art form, they were designed to come out in regular installments, and the time between issues is part of how we process them. Three issues of a miniseries should mean you spent two months with the story and the characters. There may be writers who "write for the trade" and write a comic assuming it'll be read all at once. Christina and I have never done that. Still, we know that many people read that way, and our writing needs to work for everyone, so the larger point stands: you say you can't invest in a character enough in an hour to make that character's death meaningful. That brings me to my second point. I don't think that's true. If it were, you'd never have cared about the death of anyone who didn't make it through most of the movie they were in. Ben Kenobi in Star Wars: A New Hope? Only in the movie for about an hour. Captain Dallas in Alien? About an hour. Mufasa in Lion King? About 30 minutes. The wife in Up? About 3 minutes. Each of these deaths (and many more) impacted the audience despite the audience having spent about an hour, and often a lot less, with them. I get wanting a deep dive in your stories, and favoring novels. I totally do. But I don't think you should dismiss the power of a death that comes a bit faster, in a form that doesn't allow that deep of a dive. Those deaths impacted people. The death in our book didn't impact you. I think the blame there needs to fall not on the format, but on our writing. It didn't work for you, and I'm sorry for that. I just don't want you giving up on a medium (comics) and a format (short miniseries) that holds a lot of potential great stories because this one didn't impact as much as you'd have liked. i also been reading the whole 3 issues at the same day (mostly cause th wait between issues in knight errant was hard), and i had no problem getting attached to characters. i mean a facinating character like olivia made impossible for me not to care about her death, despite the short period of getting to know her. and while it sucks she died, i'm glad her death wasn't fake, cause it was an important moment of the character and having her survived would have deminished it. so yeah, i have to agree with your points about the lenght doesn't deminish the ability to get attached to characters and their death, as long as the writing of the character and the circumstances are done well, and in my opinion they were done well in deception.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 13, 2018 19:32:29 GMT
I don't think us/Inquisition can be taking pot-shots in this area, given how spectacularly they MISSED being infiltrated by at least two enemy factions and Southern leadership nearly being blown up to smithereens because of that. And it's Solas's people who actually stepped in and help Inquisition realize its errors. I wasn't suggesting his organisation had been infiltrated by enemies, simply that his choice of agents hasn't worked out well thus far. Actually they did work out okay in Trespasser but that was probably because he was micro-managing it from the shadows. Nevertheless, however much the writers wanted to emphasise the idea, that Solas agreed with, that a big organisation is inevitably going to be corrupted from within, I did find it laughable how bad our expert spymaster was at checking people out. Elves volunteer for the Inquisition having come from Kirkwall and it never crossed her mind they might be working for the Qun? Did the reports and Varric's story to Cassandra not mention how Hawke ended up fighting waves of elves who had apparently been recruited by the Arishok? Then there was that little episode on MoA with Duke Prosper and his hunting party, where Leliana was also present, and which Hawke also reported back to those in authority in Kirkwall that there was actually a list of agents working across the south. Yet it was down to another set of enemy agents to flush them out. Sorry, but I never found that credible so leave me out of the "us".
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