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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 24, 2019 5:06:35 GMT
I haven't read the comics or the thread, but i see a hardcover containing issues #1-#3 for sale, and I wanted to ask you guys if that was a complete storyline or if there are more issues coming? That's the full Dragon Age: Deception story. Now it is part of a larger story, but it's like a whole book for a novel series.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 28, 2021 13:25:10 GMT
I know I'm a bit late with this, but I just read Deception yesterday. I was surprisingly sad when Olivia died (I actually had to check the wiki just to make sure if she was really dead or not before reading the last few pages).
I also feel like her death didn't really make sense... she wasn't really a mage or a combatant in general so why would she be the one left behind to buy the others time escape? Why would ser Aaron even agree to this after spending the rest of the comic insisting that he must save everyone?
If it was meant to be some kind of "redemption" arc for her that also didn't make sense. What did she do that was so horrible that she needed to atone for it by dying? It would have made far more sense for ser Aaron to stay behind since he's the best fighter and could've bought the others more time to escape and he seems to have a hero complex so why would he let someone else to sacrifice their life for him - especially someone he had feelings for...
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 28, 2021 14:46:59 GMT
It wasn’t really important for a combatant to be the one to stay behind - all they needed was for someone to distract the Qunari for a few seconds while the others made a break for it. In fact, if they had left Ser Aaron, they probably wouldn’t have made it out of the city.
IMO, Olivia’s death wasn’t really meant to “redeem” her. They were just in a bad situation and someone needed to die to get out of it. This was more of a “passing the torch” thing for Calix, who takes her name at the end of the story.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 28, 2021 16:03:42 GMT
This was more of a “passing the torch” thing for Calix, who takes her name at the end of the story. It might also have been designed to eventually free up Autumn as well because otherwise she would have been tied to Olivia and I don't think she would have been that invested in continuing the pursuit. Mind you, I agree she didn't come across as the self-sacrificing type either. However, didn't she sort of view it as her greatest ever "performance" in convincing the Qunari that she was a threat they needed to deal with before going after the others?
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Post by Zemgus on May 3, 2021 12:26:40 GMT
It wasn’t really important for a combatant to be the one to stay behind - all they needed was for someone to distract the Qunari for a few seconds while the others made a break for it. In fact, if they had left Ser Aaron, they probably wouldn’t have made it out of the city.IMO, Olivia’s death wasn’t really meant to “redeem” her. They were just in a bad situation and someone needed to die to get out of it. This was more of a “passing the torch” thing for Calix, who takes her name at the end of the story. Why do you say that? If they just needed someone to distract the Qunari long enough for the others to escape then someone who can actually fight back would've surely been a better distraction? He could also have pretended to be a mage just long enough the have their undivided attention. Ser Aaron said: "Perhaps I pushed her to be just heroic enough to die." So it felt like a redemption for a morally grey character even though in my opinion she didn't need to die to prove that she's a good person. Isn't the fact she didn't sell the item she stole from ser Aaron proof enough?
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Post by necrowaif on May 3, 2021 15:42:01 GMT
There were still Qunari elsewhere in the city. Ser Aaron is seen killing one while Dorian immolates another.
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Post by nunziodefilippis on May 3, 2021 18:24:55 GMT
Ser Aaron's task was to get everyone out safely. The city was under attack and he was the best fighter in the group. While Autumn can fight, she hasn't done it as much as he has. And Francesca was hurt and no one (not even her) knew how useful she would be in combat at that stage. If Ser Aaron had stayed to serve as the distraction, he wouldn't be there to get the others out.
Plus, the Qunari were looking for Magister Qintara. Which means they needed someone who looked the part, or else they might not have ALL gone after the target (or even most of them). That ruled out most of the others. No one would buy Ser Aaron as a mage, Vaea's an elf and also doesn't look much like a mage, Francesca and Calix were too young, and Autumn, well... that one probably doesn't need explaining.
If there were more time, other solutions could have probably been devised. But they didn't have much time, and the woman posing as a magister deciding to pose as a different one was the solution that would get all or most of the Qunari in the building to commit long enough for the others to get out, and leave them defended if it didn't work so well or when they got outside.
That was the logic in the moment.
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Post by Zemgus on May 4, 2021 17:39:46 GMT
Ser Aaron's task was to get everyone out safely. The city was under attack and he was the best fighter in the group. While Autumn can fight, she hasn't done it as much as he has. And Francesca was hurt and no one (not even her) knew how useful she would be in combat at that stage. If Ser Aaron had stayed to serve as the distraction, he wouldn't be there to get the others out. Plus, the Qunari were looking for Magister Qintara. Which means they needed someone who looked the part, or else they might not have ALL gone after the target (or even most of them). That ruled out most of the others. No one would buy Ser Aaron as a mage, Vaea's an elf and also doesn't look much like a mage, Francesca and Calix were too young, and Autumn, well... that one probably doesn't need explaining. If there were more time, other solutions could have probably been devised. But they didn't have much time, and the woman posing as a magister deciding to pose as a different one was the solution that would get all or most of the Qunari in the building to commit long enough for the others to get out, and leave them defended if it didn't work so well or when they got outside. That was the logic in the moment. I guess that makes sense. I just felt like it was a bit inconsistent for him to not even try to save Olivia when he had said more than once that he wants to save everyone (and then in Blue Wraith he refuses to abandon his horse so there's that hero complex again). In the case of Olivia he seemed to value his mission and the greater good over one person's life but then in almost every other time he seems to value the well being of those he cares about above all.
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Post by nunziodefilippis on May 4, 2021 21:05:31 GMT
Ser Aaron's task was to get everyone out safely. The city was under attack and he was the best fighter in the group. While Autumn can fight, she hasn't done it as much as he has. And Francesca was hurt and no one (not even her) knew how useful she would be in combat at that stage. If Ser Aaron had stayed to serve as the distraction, he wouldn't be there to get the others out. Plus, the Qunari were looking for Magister Qintara. Which means they needed someone who looked the part, or else they might not have ALL gone after the target (or even most of them). That ruled out most of the others. No one would buy Ser Aaron as a mage, Vaea's an elf and also doesn't look much like a mage, Francesca and Calix were too young, and Autumn, well... that one probably doesn't need explaining. If there were more time, other solutions could have probably been devised. But they didn't have much time, and the woman posing as a magister deciding to pose as a different one was the solution that would get all or most of the Qunari in the building to commit long enough for the others to get out, and leave them defended if it didn't work so well or when they got outside. That was the logic in the moment. I guess that makes sense. I just felt like it was a bit inconsistent for him to not even try to save Olivia when he had said more than once that he wants to save everyone (and then in Blue Wraith he refuses to abandon his horse so there's that hero complex again). In the case of Olivia he seemed to value his mission and the greater good over one person's life but then in almost every other time he seems to value the well being of those he cares about above all. Well, he did refuse to leave the horse behind AFTER Olivia died, so we wrote that with the impact of letting Olivia die weighing on him. Plus, Cassé's death was being weighed against the success of the mission. Olivia's death was being weighed against the deaths of everyone else (plus Olivia). He didn't let Olivia die to fulfill a mission, but to directly save lives. Cassé's being put down would enable to completion of a mission that he is still trying to complete without having lost the horse or anyone else thus far. So, the stakes were a bit different, plus after Olivia died, he started drawing that line a bit more firmly.
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