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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 13, 2018 21:31:43 GMT
I think Solas' point had less to do with the notion that big organizations can be easily infiltrated and more with the fact that every organization that achieves a measure of power tends to lose its way. They either become focused on keeping power, like the Chantry or the Seekers, or they completely turn against their original mission, like the Templars or the Circle.
It wasn't JUST that the Inquisition had been a bunch of spies in its ranks. The point was also made earlier by Josephine that the Inquisition had all but taken over Halamshiral. And while that was done to keep order in the face of the qunari threat, the Inquisition was partly responsible for that threat. So were they the best ones to be calling the shots?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2018 21:43:13 GMT
I think Solas' point had less to do with the notion that big organizations can be easily infiltrated and more with the fact that every organization that achieves a measure of power tends to lose its way. They either become focused on keeping power, like the Chantry or the Seekers, or they completely turn against their original mission, like the Templars or the Circle.
It wasn't JUST that the Inquisition had been a bunch of spies in its ranks. The point was also made earlier by Josephine that the Inquisition had all but taken over Halamshiral. And while that was done to keep order in the face of the qunari threat, the Inquisition was partly responsible for that threat. So were they the best ones to be calling the shots?
I hated that part of the DLC. They forced me to do stuff I wouldn’t do just to make a point. Just like how you can’t debate Solas because “ooh look how smart he is”. :roll eyes:
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Post by bshep on Dec 13, 2018 23:26:29 GMT
I think Solas' point had less to do with the notion that big organizations can be easily infiltrated and more with the fact that every organization that achieves a measure of power tends to lose its way. They either become focused on keeping power, like the Chantry or the Seekers, or they completely turn against their original mission, like the Templars or the Circle.
It wasn't JUST that the Inquisition had been a bunch of spies in its ranks. The point was also made earlier by Josephine that the Inquisition had all but taken over Halamshiral. And while that was done to keep order in the face of the qunari threat, the Inquisition was partly responsible for that threat. So were they the best ones to be calling the shots?
I would say it was both. When they grow too big it becomes hard to oversee the whole thing to avoid corruption or infiltration on its ranks, which was the case of the second Inquisition becoming infested with qunari and Solas spies. They also can become perversions of what they were supposed to uphold like what happened between the time of Ameridan, the last Inquisitor from the original Inquisition, to the present of Thedas with the Seekers and Templars.
Then there is also the fact all the government bodies around south Thedas want their powers back now that the breach is closed and no more demons are spawning all across the lands.
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Post by phoray on Dec 14, 2018 20:17:54 GMT
The first is that hopefully, you've spent more than an hour. Comics certainly can be "binge-read" by downloading all issues once a mini is complete, or reading a collected version. But as an art form, they were designed to come out in regular installments, and the time between issues is part of how we process them. i.e. I'm not following the intentions of the artist. I find this a bit weird as a point, as you can't control the speed at which a user can go through the content, because you can't control the user-- what if people have taken a break from Dragon Age and only NOW, since the trailer released what, ten days ago, realized there are comics having been released in the last two years. And so they bought all of Magekiller, all of Knight Errant and 2/3 of Deception all in one fell swoop. They enjoyed all the comics over those ten days and then the last of Deception came out. There is also myself, and I believe one other user in this thread who specifically waited until all of it was out. I can't speak for that other user, but I am not wired to enjoy cliffhangers or delays- I can barely handle when a novel decides to switch over to the POV of the other Protaganist (Terry Brooks Shannarra series comes to mind.) my second point..... If it were, you'd never have cared about the death of anyone who didn't make it through most of the movie they were in. Since you don't know me (and I don't mean that in a whiny baby mean way) let me explain why any of those deaths mattered to me. - Ben Kenobi in Star Wars: A New Hope? Captain Dallas in Alien? ==== Don't know who these people are.
- Mufasa in Lion King? ==== I didn't care that Mufasa had died because he was Mufasa. I cared that Mufasa had died (barely) because I liked Simba and it made HIM sad. I think this is a bad example because that whole death was overshadowed by the effed up power grab by his Uncle. And him running off to go have Fun and Fart with a Warthog.
- The wife in Up? ==== again, hie wife dying was whatever. The "dream" of a perfect loving marriage coming to an end suddenly with regrets is what's sad about it. I didn't know that woman, I don't even think she had a line.
Olivia's death only touched me because it made her Mabari sad. And I have Dogs in my life I have adored for years and would hope they would be sad when I was gone. It also triggers in my mind associations with Fry's dog in Futurama, and, bringing it back to the DA universe, the Warden's Dog in the novel "The Calling" which absolutely had me put the book down so I could bawl a bit. So if I don't have enough time to know Olivia so she can make me feel sad on her own merit as a character, I'm going to have to feel the sadness through a character that isn't her. But Vaea doesn't know her, neither does Franchesca (the latter of which of whom, if she knew the whole story, may actually be vengefully glad the woman who led her own brother towards his death is now also dead. )Aaron didn't really know her, that whole romance, as far as I can tell, was a few days of flirtation at a Noble's place for at most a week before she took off. Calix is (by intention) a bit of an idiot and supremely naieve about a variety of things. Romance VS sex and the costs of war seem to be two things. Calix is the saddest about her death, she had an affect on him- but he suffers the same flaw that Olivia had in my eye, which is not enough time to breathe in the story as a character. So why should I feel sad? I don't know her. I don't know the people that were affected by her death (deeply). None of the people in that group even knew her. I don't relate on a personal level to a habitual liar who tricks people ot of their money for a living. Where am I supposed to connect to her on this loss? (Rhetorical question, as this boils down to taste) I would say I connect more to Francesca's brother's death. I have a brother- I know how unhappy I would be if he suddenly died. Re: Your wish that I don't give up on Comics. I like Manga, but I didn't have to suffer through their 5 panel weekly things that happen in their home country. Dragon Age has my heart, therefore it has a direct connection to my wallet. I'll be buying the comics regardless of their quality (in regards to my taste of narrative structure.) A wish of my own: I'd hope you'd push for more space from Bioware to give your characters time to breathe if you have another chance at a comic. I'd like your characters to be strong enough to cause sadness in me on their own merit, and not on the merit of witnesses and associations. I enjoyed this interchange.
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Post by phoray on Dec 14, 2018 20:31:08 GMT
I hated that part of the DLC. They forced me to do stuff I wouldn’t do just to make a point. Just like how you can’t debate Solas because “ooh look how smart he is”. :roll eyes: ya, my Inky wouldn't have done the things they were accused of. I show up at that Trial thinking, "why is everyone mad at me, the ingrates." only to find out what I'D been doing in the last three years and totally agreed with them. Then I wanted to immediately tell everyone that Qunari were afoot doing weird stuff and the game didn't let me and I still can't figure out why keeping it a secret would benefit Inky in any fashion. It was purely so the Fereldan and Orlesian Leadership had a more recent and less heroic reason to be mad at us, those writers weilding their Plot Bats and smacking our PCs with them hard. Also the arguments with Viv can be as bad as they are with Solas.
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Post by Serza on Dec 14, 2018 20:48:34 GMT
You do not know Obi-Wan Kenobi?!
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Post by phoray on Dec 14, 2018 20:52:54 GMT
You do not know Obi-Wan Kenobi?! *scrapes memory really hard with a squinty face*...Is he the one that suicided as some sort of "I trust Luke to win the day so much I can die now" weirdness? as he faced off against...guy in a black suit with the melted skin and the weird breathing....Eh, sigh, I've watched more Space Balls than I have Star Wars so I'm going to call that bad guy by his parody name... As he faced off against Lord Helmet? Why should I care that he died exactly? he let himself die, it was just weird. Luke was upset about it, but that's all I really remember. Edit Add: I watched the death clip on YT just now and yes, it is as weird and meaningless to me as I remember. --- then I watched a video where it was explain Obi totally died on purpose for multiple strategic reasons, one of which being he actually knew the secret of coming back as some sort of Force Ghost, his death is not sad at all.
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Post by Serza on Dec 14, 2018 22:02:43 GMT
I... guess...
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 15, 2018 12:24:44 GMT
Then I wanted to immediately tell everyone that Qunari were afoot doing weird stuff and the game didn't let me and I still can't figure out why keeping it a secret would benefit Inky in any fashion What I found strangest about it is that you can hear Arl Teagan's voice over suggesting that our actions or at least those of Solas could have started a war between us and the Qunari and I'm thinking, hold on a minute didn't you get the bit about them attempting to blow every southern ruler to smithereens? However, I assume the thinking was that since many of the Qunari agents had been working for the Inquisition, and feeling against our organisation was such that they wanted us chained or disbanded, that admitting how badly we had been compromised would only add fuel to the fire. Then in the epilogue, if the Inquisitor was in a relationship with Iron Bull and betrayed by him, it would seem that people did seem to know what happened because the Inquisitor becomes the subject of mockery for it. Even if not in a relationship, Tal-Vashoth start having a harder time of it as a result of Iron Bull's actions, but this only makes sense if people knew exactly who he had betrayed them for. Otherwise, it could have been for entirely personal reasons rather than being portrayed as having been seduced into folly by a spy. So I've never been entirely sure just how much people did know about the Qunari and what they had been about in the south.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Dec 26, 2018 20:54:53 GMT
Is the Red Lyrium Idol/Weapon in Deception the same one Merrill tells us about in DA2 or it's a different one?, because Nunzio says the weapon in Deception was a thing since Knight Errant.
If they're the same does that mean there's possibly another? Normal Lyrium Weapon? Fade Weapon? Fire Weapon? Whatever the opposite of Red Lyrium/Abyss weapon is.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 27, 2018 8:58:23 GMT
nunziodefilippis It came up in another conversation elsewhere in the thread, but I was wondering if you could please tell us what sexual orientations you and Christina had in mind for Calix and Francesca when writing them? I know you said Ser Aaron was straight and Vaea so far isn’t sexually attracted to anything, so hopefully you could clarify the two new members to this party.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 27, 2018 14:08:30 GMT
Does that really need to be specified? If this is for fanfic I’d think not having anything previously specified surely just means people can pair them however they wish? (Not that author intent ever stopped shipping before ofc)
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Post by phoray on Dec 27, 2018 16:08:53 GMT
Does that really need to be specified? If this is for fanfic I’d think not having anything previously specified surely just means people can pair them however they wish? (Not that author intent ever stopped shipping before ofc) The question in the other thread was asked because players/readers are suspecting that Calix is a human "Zevran". A promiscuous bisexual and to add to the repeat, a promiscuous bisexual with a preference for women especially. Hanako had originally held him up as the first Promiscuous STRAIGHT person, as he's only obviously chasing skirts in the comic. But there is apparently a single panel of dialogue with a random guard-- "what a night!" -- that implies* that Calix maybe boffed the guard. *only if you're looking for it I guess, I don't even remember this panel and very much felt like Calix was just a young horny teenager type that would bang any girl if he had the chance after his restricted life of slavery. I don't even think he's promiscuous.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Dec 27, 2018 17:22:24 GMT
Does that really need to be specified? If this is for fanfic I’d think not having anything previously specified surely just means people can pair them however they wish? (Not that author intent ever stopped shipping before ofc) The question in the other thread was asked because players/readers are suspecting that Calix is a human "Zevran". A promiscuous bisexual and to add to the repeat, a promiscuous bisexual with a preference for women especially. Hanako had originally held him up as the first Promiscuous STRAIGHT person, as he's only obviously chasing skirts in the comic. But there is apparently a single panel of dialogue with a random guard-- "what a night!" -- that implies* that Calix maybe boffed the guard. *only if you're looking for it I guess, I don't even remember this panel and very much felt like Calix was just a young horny teenager type that would bang any girl if he had the chance after his restricted life of slavery. I don't even think he's promiscuous. Wasn't looking for it as much as it being a standard way to subtly reveal homosexual inclinations in literally all media ever by offhandedly including it in one scene (or in this case one panel). I suppose it takes someone who has been exposed to it enough, as I picked it up right away, especially with that cheeky grin that Calix had in the very same panel. But I'm not hinging on it. It could very well been an "act" (they are rogues after all). So yea... another Zevran.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 27, 2018 17:59:11 GMT
*only if you're looking for it I guess, I don't even remember this panel and very much felt like Calix was just a young horny teenager type that would bang any girl if he had the chance after his restricted life of slavery. I don't even think he's promiscuous.... And now I'm just reminded of the sad (drunken?) seduction attempts of Emile de Launcet by that description. I think I'd actually managed to forget about him, too. I entirely blame you for this.
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Post by ellehaym on Dec 27, 2018 18:00:27 GMT
I am also reminded of the red markings we see in dragons in some elvhen murals. As well as some other elf figures
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Post by phoray on Dec 27, 2018 18:21:34 GMT
*only if you're looking for it I guess, I don't even remember this panel and very much felt like Calix was just a young horny teenager type that would bang any girl if he had the chance after his restricted life of slavery. I don't even think he's promiscuous.... And now I'm just reminded of the sad (drunken?) seduction attempts of Emile de Launcet by that description. I think I'd actually managed to forget about him, too. I entirely blame you for this.Well, since Calix is free now he doesn't have to be quite so pathetic as Emile but... Yeah. Same vein there. He threw himself at Vaea because he is so naieve in love that he figured if Olivia disliked him so openly yet slept with him that that MUST be how women flirted. Because he's that clueless. So being a promiscuous bisexual flirting with a guard all subtle is actually against his more obvious portrayal of being totally romantically clueless.
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Dec 28, 2018 22:16:57 GMT
nunziodefilippis It came up in another conversation elsewhere in the thread, but I was wondering if you could please tell us what sexual orientations you and Christina had in mind for Calix and Francesca when writing them? I know you said Ser Aaron was straight and Vaea so far isn’t sexually attracted to anything, so hopefully you could clarify the two new members to this party. In our mind, Calix is straight. He has no idea how to form a healthy relationship, but is relatively convinced it's women he's into. Clearly, he sees no difference between hitting on a human female and an elven one, and I suspect that would extend to Qunari and Dwarven females as well (though right now, he'd probably not be all that interested in a Qunari). Francesca? Not sure yet. When we first plotted the miniseries, we didn't plan for Francesca to join the group, so we hadn't mapped her out as much. She has a type, as her brother suggests Calix fits that type - so she's attracted to men. Not sure if she's bisexual. She might be, but I'd need to discuss with Christina.
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Dec 28, 2018 22:22:15 GMT
The question in the other thread was asked because players/readers are suspecting that Calix is a human "Zevran". A promiscuous bisexual and to add to the repeat, a promiscuous bisexual with a preference for women especially. Hanako had originally held him up as the first Promiscuous STRAIGHT person, as he's only obviously chasing skirts in the comic. But there is apparently a single panel of dialogue with a random guard-- "what a night!" -- that implies* that Calix maybe boffed the guard. *only if you're looking for it I guess, I don't even remember this panel and very much felt like Calix was just a young horny teenager type that would bang any girl if he had the chance after his restricted life of slavery. I don't even think he's promiscuous. Wasn't looking for it as much as it being a standard way to subtly reveal homosexual inclinations in literally all media ever by offhandedly including it in one scene (or in this case one panel). I suppose it takes someone who has been exposed to it enough, as I picked it up right away, especially with that cheeky grin that Calix had in the very same panel. But I'm not hinging on it. It could very well been an "act" (they are rogues after all). So yea... another Zevran. When we wrote that panel, our thought was that the night in question was about hooking the guard up with fun - buying him drinks/getting him drunk, and maybe even getting him laid. But not being the one to have sex with the guard. Now, since we didn't specify, I suppose we could revisit it one say and say it meant something else. But that's our current thinking. Sorry for the unintended implication of bisexuality.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 28, 2018 22:23:11 GMT
nunziodefilippis It came up in another conversation elsewhere in the thread, but I was wondering if you could please tell us what sexual orientations you and Christina had in mind for Calix and Francesca when writing them? I know you said Ser Aaron was straight and Vaea so far isn’t sexually attracted to anything, so hopefully you could clarify the two new members to this party. In our mind, Calix is straight. He has no idea how to form a healthy relationship, but is relatively convinced it's women he's into. Clearly, he sees no difference between hitting on a human female and an elven one, and I suspect that would extend to Qunari and Dwarven females as well (though right now, he'd probably not be all that interested in a Qunari). Francesca? Not sure yet. When we first plotted the miniseries, we didn't plan for Francesca to join the group, so we hadn't mapped her out as much. She has a type, as her brother suggests Calix fits that type - so she's attracted to men. Not sure if she's bisexual. She might be, but I'd need to discuss with Christina. Thank you for answering. Interesting that Francesca wasn’t originally going to join the group. I’m glad that she did. While I like Calix and Olivia, I found her being the character introduced in Deception that I was most interested in seeing more of.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Dec 28, 2018 22:25:20 GMT
Wasn't looking for it as much as it being a standard way to subtly reveal homosexual inclinations in literally all media ever by offhandedly including it in one scene (or in this case one panel). I suppose it takes someone who has been exposed to it enough, as I picked it up right away, especially with that cheeky grin that Calix had in the very same panel. But I'm not hinging on it. It could very well been an "act" (they are rogues after all). So yea... another Zevran. When we wrote that panel, our thought was that the night in question was about hooking the guard up with fun - buying him drinks/getting him drunk, and maybe even getting him laid. But not being the one to have sex with the guard. Now, since we didn't specify, I suppose we could revisit it one say and say it meant something else. But that's our current thinking. Sorry for the unintended implication of bisexuality. Appreciate the confirmation. Loved the comic!
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Jan 3, 2019 21:58:21 GMT
Interesting that Francesca wasn’t originally going to join the group. I’m glad that she did. While I like Calix and Olivia, I found her being the character introduced in Deception that I was most interested in seeing more of. Sometimes when we write, we discover things that surprise us. Francesca was built to be a complication - the crimes of Calix and Olivia catching up with them at exactly the wrong time (the break-in). As we wrote her, we realized we wanted to do more with her, so we restructured the final issue to change her role and have her leave with the team. There was something intriguing about someone desperate to prove her worth to her family, unaware that her family is made up of the bad guys. Sort of a less noxious Draco Malfoy, I guess.
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2019 22:03:42 GMT
Are the Venatori inherently bad though? They supported Cory but since they lost a lot of people on that front, there has probably been some sort of bad guy restructuring since then.
It'd be interesting for them to be just as "bad" as any political party such as the Lucerni who want change that goes against the grain of the status quo.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 3, 2019 23:34:53 GMT
Are the Venatori inherently bad though? They supported Cory but since they lost a lot of people on that front, there has probably been some sort of bad guy restructuring since then. It'd be interesting for them to be just as "bad" as any political party such as the Lucerni who want change that goes against the grain of the status quo. Well, their platform is Tevinter supremacy..... which seems pretty bad to me. Undoubtedly there are some Venatori (like Calpernia) who just want Tevinter to be better, not rule the whole world, but I think since the Venatori were Cory's thing and he explicitly wanted to rule the world as its magical god-king, I think the Venatori name is toooo tainted to make a resurgence as a less radical political party. I'm sure there are other political parties in Tevinter, though.
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