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Post by ahglock on Jan 6, 2019 16:16:55 GMT
2017 did indeed bring us those 2 games. However, just because the masses approve, that doesn't mean that they are "good" games. I think they are very much to the contrary... and yes, I've played both. They are games. They are meant to entertain as many people as possible. So yeah mass approval is a pretty damn good indicator of quality though not the only one. I can have a favorite game but I can recognize it’s not the best game of that year. And it’s not like MEA was an art piece so we could argue best on artistic merits. It’s a basic action/rpg with a generic story. It didn’t really do anything new or reinvigorate a genre, create a new type of game etc. I’m on playthrough 10 so I clearly like it. But it didn’t do anything special nor did it appeal to the masses. In what way is it one of the best games of the year material.?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 16:50:50 GMT
In no particular order... Nier Automata Divinity Original Sin 2 Persona 5 Horizon Zero Dawn Breath of the Wild Nioh Cuphead Resident Evil 7 Edit: Forgot Hollow Knight Only 3 interested me from that list and only 1 would I put above ME:A (that being Divinity) Horizon Zero Dawn was visually beautiful but bored me to tears and frankly I think it was waaaaay over hyped (much like Witcher 3) and Persona 5 was fun for sure and brought me back to my pokemon days but I wouldn't call it better than ME:A especially since I don't have it in me to replay that, yet I can with mass effect. . I'm happy for you...personally thought MEA was a ok game at best and was a "one and done". The thought of ever putting it back on my pc is just meh. It's funny that you find TW3 and HZD to be waaaaay over hyped because I find that MEA is a nice case study how how people can generally like bad games. This is all my opinion of course and you can take it how you want...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 16:55:01 GMT
2017 did indeed bring us those 2 games. However, just because the masses approve, that doesn't mean that they are "good" games. I think they are very much to the contrary... and yes, I've played both. They are games. They are meant to entertain as many people as possible. So yeah mass approval is a pretty damn good indicator of quality though not the only one. I can have a favorite game but I can recognize it’s not the best game of that year. And it’s not like MEA was an art piece so we could argue best on artistic merits. It’s a basic action/rpg with a generic story. It didn’t really do anything new or reinvigorate a genre, create a new type of game etc. I’m on playthrough 10 so I clearly like it. But it didn’t do anything special nor did it appeal to the masses. In what way is it one of the best games of the year material.? Exactly! I love playing The Technomancer. That game holds a rating of 60% with critics and 56% with users but I still like it. I've given it 4 complete playthroughs which is more than I've given MEA and DAI combined.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 17:09:07 GMT
People constantly say this... but 2017 was a garbage ass year for games imo. What games were so much better than ME:A that ME:A isn't in the top 5? Pretty much the only games I would put above ME:A are Divinity Original Sin 2 and Xcom 2's expansion "War of the Chosen." The rest were either not that interesting to me or typical trash type games like AC (before Odyssey, it was great), Destiny, Fortnite, CoD, etc. Not to mention that certain desired games always fell short of expectations quality-wise (Ghost Recon: Wildlands felt inferior compared to Future Soldier gameplay and quality-wise; Agents of Mayhem fell short despite me liking the game).
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Post by ahglock on Jan 6, 2019 17:13:54 GMT
Only 3 interested me from that list and only 1 would I put above ME:A (that being Divinity) Horizon Zero Dawn was visually beautiful but bored me to tears and frankly I think it was waaaaay over hyped (much like Witcher 3) and Persona 5 was fun for sure and brought me back to my pokemon days but I wouldn't call it better than ME:A especially since I don't have it in me to replay that, yet I can with mass effect. . I'm happy for you...personally thought MEA was a ok game at best and was a "one and done". The thought of ever putting it back on my pc is just meh. It's funny that you find TW3 and HZD to be waaaaay over hyped because I find that MEA is a nice case study how how people can generally like bad games. This is all my opinion of course and you can take it how you want... I also felt HZD was over-hyped though maybe I'm missing something, too me it was Farcry with robot dinos and a zippy controls. But, yeah I put my love of MEA in the same category as my love for schlock action movies. They are crap, but I love watching them. Though I still defend Commando as one of the best movies of all time. It perfected the one liners to such a point all other movies that use them are just a pale imitation.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 6, 2019 17:18:29 GMT
I'm happy for you...personally thought MEA was a ok game at best and was a "one and done". The thought of ever putting it back on my pc is just meh. It's funny that you find TW3 and HZD to be waaaaay over hyped because I find that MEA is a nice case study how how people can generally like bad games. This is all my opinion of course and you can take it how you want... I also felt HZD was over-hyped though maybe I'm missing something, too me it was Farcry with robot dinos and a zippy controls. But, yeah I put my love of MEA in the same category as my love for schlock action movies. They are crap, but I love watching them. Though I still defend Commando as one of the best movies of all time. It perfected the one liners to such a point all other movies that use them are just a pale imitation.
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One thing I'll say about H:ZD is that it had an interesting storyline (better than MEA'S at any rate).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 17:26:28 GMT
I'm happy for you...personally thought MEA was a ok game at best and was a "one and done". The thought of ever putting it back on my pc is just meh. It's funny that you find TW3 and HZD to be waaaaay over hyped because I find that MEA is a nice case study how how people can generally like bad games. This is all my opinion of course and you can take it how you want... I also felt HZD was over-hyped though maybe I'm missing something, too me it was Farcry with robot dinos and a zippy controls. But, yeah I put my love of MEA in the same category as my love for schlock action movies. They are crap, but I love watching them. Though I still defend Commando as one of the best movies of all time. It perfected the one liners to such a point all other movies that use them are just a pale imitation.
Remember Sally when I promised I'd kill you last?
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Post by ahglock on Jan 6, 2019 17:27:16 GMT
One thing I'll say about H:ZD is that it had an interesting storyline (better than MEA'S at any rate). I thought it was incredibly cliche. But it was delivered in a fairly good fashion.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 6, 2019 17:29:55 GMT
One thing I'll say about H:ZD is that it had an interesting storyline (better than MEA'S at any rate). I thought it was incredibly cliche. But it was delivered in a fairly good fashion. Most si fi things are cliche, but as you said, it's the delivery that truly matters.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jan 6, 2019 17:41:26 GMT
2017 did indeed bring us those 2 games. However, just because the masses approve, that doesn't mean that they are "good" games. I think they are very much to the contrary... and yes, I've played both. They are games. They are meant to entertain as many people as possible. So yeah mass approval is a pretty damn good indicator of quality though not the only one. I can have a favorite game but I can recognize it’s not the best game of that year. And it’s not like MEA was an art piece so we could argue best on artistic merits. It’s a basic action/rpg with a generic story. It didn’t really do anything new or reinvigorate a genre, create a new type of game etc. I’m on playthrough 10 so I clearly like it. But it didn’t do anything special nor did it appeal to the masses. In what way is it one of the best games of the year material.? Mass approval is simply opinion still. It does not create an objective value on quality.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 17:45:27 GMT
They are games. They are meant to entertain as many people as possible. So yeah mass approval is a pretty damn good indicator of quality though not the only one. I can have a favorite game but I can recognize it’s not the best game of that year. And it’s not like MEA was an art piece so we could argue best on artistic merits. It’s a basic action/rpg with a generic story. It didn’t really do anything new or reinvigorate a genre, create a new type of game etc. I’m on playthrough 10 so I clearly like it. But it didn’t do anything special nor did it appeal to the masses. In what way is it one of the best games of the year material.? Mass approval is simply opinion still. It does not create an objective value on quality. It puts money in the Devs pocket, generate hype and hit sales goals and that's all they care about! I thought that was pretty well established.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 6, 2019 17:48:42 GMT
They are games. They are meant to entertain as many people as possible. So yeah mass approval is a pretty damn good indicator of quality though not the only one. I can have a favorite game but I can recognize it’s not the best game of that year. And it’s not like MEA was an art piece so we could argue best on artistic merits. It’s a basic action/rpg with a generic story. It didn’t really do anything new or reinvigorate a genre, create a new type of game etc. I’m on playthrough 10 so I clearly like it. But it didn’t do anything special nor did it appeal to the masses. In what way is it one of the best games of the year material.? Mass approval is simply opinion still. It does not create an objective value on quality. Mass approval of entertainment it an objective measure on quality as approval and entertainment is the goal.
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Post by zaeedisking on Jan 6, 2019 21:11:58 GMT
People constantly say this... but 2017 was a garbage ass year for games imo. Exactly. MEA could have had an entire year to itself. Instead we got half-assed DA:I in space.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 6, 2019 21:12:51 GMT
2017 did indeed bring us those 2 games. However, just because the masses approve, that doesn't mean that they are "good" games. I think they are very much to the contrary... and yes, I've played both. They are games. They are meant to entertain as many people as possible. So yeah mass approval is a pretty damn good indicator of quality though not the only one. I can have a favorite game but I can recognize it’s not the best game of that year. And it’s not like MEA was an art piece so we could argue best on artistic merits. It’s a basic action/rpg with a generic story. It didn’t really do anything new or reinvigorate a genre, create a new type of game etc. I’m on playthrough 10 so I clearly like it. But it didn’t do anything special nor did it appeal to the masses. In what way is it one of the best games of the year material.? Fortnite or PUBG didn't do anything special either, they're literally just a giant FFA or TDM. Just because a bunch of ppl like no substance to their games doesn't make the game good. Tons of doctors back in the day thought lobotomies were a great solution to illness.... And I'm not saying ME:A should be a game of the year. It's clearly not, and I don't think it is... but it gets an unnecessary bad rap and I personally think it was better than quite a few games released in 2017.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jan 6, 2019 22:52:42 GMT
Mass approval is simply opinion still. It does not create an objective value on quality. Mass approval of entertainment it an objective measure on quality as approval and entertainment is the goal. Opinion does not make anything objective. Not how it works.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 23:04:44 GMT
They are games. They are meant to entertain as many people as possible. So yeah mass approval is a pretty damn good indicator of quality though not the only one. I can have a favorite game but I can recognize it’s not the best game of that year. And it’s not like MEA was an art piece so we could argue best on artistic merits. It’s a basic action/rpg with a generic story. It didn’t really do anything new or reinvigorate a genre, create a new type of game etc. I’m on playthrough 10 so I clearly like it. But it didn’t do anything special nor did it appeal to the masses. In what way is it one of the best games of the year material.? Mass approval is simply opinion still. It does not create an objective value on quality. You seem to have a clear misunderstanding of the word "objective". The term simply means "( of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts".
Doctors in fact can be objective and have an opinion at the same time when diagnosing a patient. If a doctor says you're going to die in 6 months based off of everything he has learned (Facts) but you end up dying in 7...
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Post by smilesja on Jan 7, 2019 22:16:03 GMT
I guess things are only subjective unless it’s a game that you don’t like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 22:22:28 GMT
I guess things are only subjective unless it’s a game that you don’t like. And you would definitely know that wouldn't you... ...just in reverse right?
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Post by smilesja on Jan 7, 2019 23:19:51 GMT
I guess things are only subjective unless it’s a game that you don’t like. And you would definitely know that wouldn't you... ...just in reverse right? Hey I’m not the one saying it’s objectively good. All of that is my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 23:35:54 GMT
And you would definitely know that wouldn't you... ...just in reverse right? Hey I’m not the one saying it’s objectively good. All of that is my opinion. Nah...you just play that passive/aggressive crap and dip out when it gets too heavy. You've made that same point as others have just in reverse. I can dig up your old post and bust you out if you'd like. I never go in a conversation without ammo...
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Post by smilesja on Jan 8, 2019 0:05:53 GMT
Hey I’m not the one saying it’s objectively good. All of that is my opinion. Nah...you just play that passive/aggressive crap and dip out when it gets too heavy. You've made that same point as others have just in reverse. I can dig up your old post and bust you out if you'd like. I never go in a conversation without ammo... So where’s the part where I said quality is objective?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 0:15:25 GMT
Nah...you just play that passive/aggressive crap and dip out when it gets too heavy. You've made that same point as others have just in reverse. I can dig up your old post and bust you out if you'd like. I never go in a conversation without ammo... So where’s the part where I said quality is objective? Has nothing to do with that at all but more with your opinion. I can literally pull up some of your post about fallout 76 where you debate the game falling in line with its criticism based off of reviewers but you have NEVER excepted the same thing towards MEA. You just basically call the haters or the meme machine to garner views. I can keep going back further If you'd like...
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Post by Kabraxal on Jan 8, 2019 1:48:06 GMT
Mass approval is simply opinion still. It does not create an objective value on quality. You seem to have a clear misunderstanding of the word "objective". The term simply means "( of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts".
Doctors in fact can be objective and have an opinion at the same time when diagnosing a patient. If a doctor says you're going to die in 6 months based off of everything he has learned (Facts) but you end up dying in 7...Key word facts... the only fact you have stated is that there is a group of people that believe X is bad. You never once presented a FACT that X is bad. Opinion =\= fact. Time to accept that actual fact and move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 1:53:09 GMT
You seem to have a clear misunderstanding of the word "objective". The term simply means "( of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts".
Doctors in fact can be objective and have an opinion at the same time when diagnosing a patient. If a doctor says you're going to die in 6 months based off of everything he has learned (Facts) but you end up dying in 7...Key word facts... the only fact you have stated is that there is a group of people that believe X is bad. You never once presented a FACT that X is bad. Opinion =\= fact. Time to accept that actual fact and move on. I never stated anything other than your understanding of the word "objective" and even gave you an example. Try again kid... Better yet...show me where I said otherwise before you embarrass yourself again...
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Post by smilesja on Jan 8, 2019 2:10:28 GMT
So where’s the part where I said quality is objective? Has nothing to do with that at all but more with your opinion. I can literally pull up some of your post about fallout 76 where you debate the game falling in line with its criticism based off of reviewers but you have NEVER excepted the same thing towards MEA. You just basically call the haters or the meme machine to garner views. I can keep going back further If you'd like...
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