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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 18, 2018 20:39:07 GMT
To clarify:
-I don't necessarily mean these exact titles (Mass Effect Andromeda 2, Mass Effect Next, etc), only the spirit of it.
-A game could incorporate elements of multiple to all of these options, but I'm asking about emphasis.
-If you want dual protagonist, pick what would have emphasis (as there's almost always an emphasis).
-Generally by MEA I mean set in Andromeda and following up on its plots, ME3 I mean set in Milky Way and following up on its subject matter, and MEN I mean either both (incorporated into bigger story) or neither (go elsewhere). But you can take it as you will and expand in the thread replies.
The Present:
MEA2 with Ryder - Sequel to Andromeda, keeping Ryder, trying to improve the situation regarding Andromeda's reception. Plots from MEA are most prominently resolved or addressed.
MEA2 with Other - Same as above, but Ryder having worn out their welcome or becoming notably less prominent. Bioware/you decide Ryder isn't compelling enough, so they're gone or sidelined, or secondary between dual protags.
The Past:
ME3 'sequel' with Shepard - Mostly a followup to the ME3 setting, keeping Shepard or a new iteration of them. May incorporate parts of MEA, but it is more about the effects of ME3.
ME3 'sequel' with Other - Same as above, but without Shepard as the primary playable character; whether we play as Ryder exclusively in the Milky Way dealing with it, or someone else because Shepard Story Is Truly Done (at least in terms of protagonism).
The Future:
MEN(ext) with Ryder - Either a MW+A setting with Ryder crossing both, or Ryder happening to go elsewhere, or partially Andromeda but also elsewhere. That is, they're not so attached to Andromeda as they might have been otherwise if MEA and its studio was more successful, but there has to be a followup to MEA in some form.
MEN(ext) with Other - Same as above, but with Ryder kept as a character in or more secondarily associated with Andromeda in particular while we at least primarily control, or totally control a different character.
I won't be entertaining the idea of a big prequel because I don't truly expect it at all, nor a sidequel because MEA at least partially followed that format anyway and it is unlikely to occur again so soon.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 18, 2018 20:49:22 GMT
My answer is: MEN(ext) with Ryder.
MENext because my ideal currently is a story that takes MEA and resolves and even expands much of it, but acknowledges that Andromeda may not have been the best direction to go (at least with Montreal's planning and results) and so backs away from it somewhat, while still appearing ambitious enough to tell a story of a world of two galaxies starting to intertwine.
That said, I think the next game NEEDS a MEA followup more than it NEEDS a ME3/MW anything. I only think that what could bring it to a new series pinnacle, is ME3/MW content, if done in a way that dazzles us. Again, it isn't necessary, and I understand people's hesitance or opposition, its just what I think though.
Ryder because while I don't find (him) super compelling so far, given (his) script and the problematic roleplaying tools we're given, I see more potential for my enjoyment than with other protags including Revan, Warden, and maybe even Shepard. I think I like Hawke and Inquisitor flatly more so far though, I just think there's potential for Ryder to surpass all if put in a much better framework than MEA. Treat MEA as a semi-optional prologue (not even first act or title) to the better upcoming story and I'm in.
EDIT: My rankings...
1. MEAN(ext) with Ryder
2. MEA2 with Ryder
3. MEAN(ext) with Other
4. MEA2 with Other
(that is... deal with MEA)
5. ME3+ with Other (though I actually wouldn't mind Shepard involved)
6. ME3+ with Shepard (I think all that would deal so much with Shepard, should have been ME3 expansions or the space of MEA/ME4; too late now, but again I could see them again and 100% be okay with that)
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 18, 2018 21:35:53 GMT
ME:A2 with ryder all the way. I want to explore the other clusters outside of heleus as well as meeting new aliens.
ME:A next is not a bad idea, but I don't know that'll fit since it was a one way trip.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 18, 2018 22:05:45 GMT
ME:A2 with ryder all the way. I want to explore the other clusters outside of heleus as well as meeting new aliens. ME:A next is not a bad idea, but I don't know that'll fit since it was a one way trip. I believe the content of MEA has it that it is a one-way trip as far as they know, and moreso for the initial colonists, but the stated intention, in-setting, is to reconnect with the Milky Way when possible. Realistically this would mean decades, centuries, or somehow more, before re-connection, but it would be one day. They just know they don't have the tech or plans to do it yet, and are at peace with that before they leave. Ryder's family for example runs with the assumption that they will never see Earth again. But since this is fancy pantsy Mass Effect, it really just means this is the case until the Initiative learns something on their own, from Remnant tech, or otherwise. So like.. any time the writers want. But especially sooner, imo, due to curiosity about WTF happened in the MW (Ryder Sidequest). Bioware left nearly everything open after MEA and this was one of those things. They could have reconnected in DLC, they can reconnect in a next game, or they could fridge the Milky Way for indefinitely longer. I'm only saying I personally prefer they do it, as in at least start it, in the next game, instead of longer or essentially never. |
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Post by NotN7 on Aug 18, 2018 22:20:29 GMT
I went with MEA2 with rider sorry but reboots? going backwards, ETC, well its is the (to me) lack of imagination of? well the younger crowd? look at all the TV shows that are trying/or rebooting really? I can see it if they are catering to the young'uns since they do not know of the original actors, shrug, that's just me i'll get off the soap box, Sorry needed to vent  |
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 18, 2018 22:26:20 GMT
I went with MEA2 with rider sorry but reboots? going backwards, ETC, well its is the (to me) lack of imagination of? well the younger crowd? look at all the TV shows that are trying/or rebooting really? I can see it if they are catering to the young'uns since they do not know of the original actors, shrug, that's just me i'll get off the soap box, Sorry needed to vent  I don't include actual reboots, prequels or sidequels (that is, primarily during ME1-ME3 time or the MEA time centuries later) in the options, but include the time after MEA obviously, or between ME3 and MEA as I don't consider that sidequel but instead post-ME3, given such a time and narrative gap. If Bioware does a series reboot, in the sense of erasing all previous canon (hard reboot) or even only selectively recreating particular bits of canon (SW: Legends)*, I'd be shocked really. I don't think enough time has passed, nor is ME the franchise to do that so flippantly with. Maybe in some 2030s-40s super different gaming future, I suppose. But I do consider that Bioware may return to a MW story if only to come as close to a reboot as practically possible. *Yes I'm ignoring certain ME books.. |
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Post by simit on Aug 18, 2018 22:48:10 GMT
ME:Online with the choice to play as any member from the surviving races or Angaraa with the rest of Andromeda as our playground, or use Meridian as a social hub that the time the game starts has been fixed and can be used to travel to other clusters to explore.
Basically i want the next ME to be like Anthem with a 10 year projected life with continued dev support in that timeline that obviously injects new stories, missions, raids, dungeons, classes etc etc but i want it with full optional companions with stories if i choose or just team up with friends, like say the mercenary system of EQ2 but BioWare done companions.
I want a ME game that lasts an to continue playing im just no making a new character an i want a ME game that just doesn't tick boxes anymore.
Your probably talking atleast maybe 2025 before another ME game an if BioWare still doing recruit x, y an z do loyalty missions, figure out the baddie then beat him i'll laugh then sigh then undoubtedly quietly just walk away
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Post by ahglock on Aug 18, 2018 23:17:48 GMT
I'll just say with other. I did not like Ryder much at all, I did not like the team. If MEA they need something to jump start it, the cluster is boring as heck there is like no civilization there. They need multiple races, big cities etc. A small time jump, maybe the nexus more than looks like the citadel and acts as a master relay system and they have been adding relays to nearby systems and even other clusters and now you see a bigger galactic civilization at war with the Kett not just the really boring angara. You can follow this up as a MEA2 picking up its story points, but expand the cluster and galaxy into something that gives you a sense of wonder. If its milky way, I don't want Shepard his story is done move on, I'm fine with picking a canon ending but I'm also fine with a giant time leap so whatever the choice its all faded into legend.I'd prefer whether its Andromeda or the milky way the story is smaller and more personal,or if you are going to save the galaxy at least write out the entire arc before you start.
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Post by isaidlunch on Aug 19, 2018 0:19:41 GMT
MEA2 with Ryder. Ditching Ryder after one game would be a deal breaker for me.
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Post by Phantom on Aug 19, 2018 0:28:40 GMT
i would love a good game regardless.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 19, 2018 1:09:26 GMT
Interesting poll results so far. VERY interesting. At this moment, MEA2/Ryder has three times the number of votes as the second option.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 19, 2018 1:24:14 GMT
Interesting poll results so far. VERY interesting. At this moment, MEA2/Ryder has three times the number of votes as the second option. I definitely expected this. I'm just curious about the numbers! And I do expect a Bioware board, with more dedicated Bioware followers/players/fanatics to want the most to follow along with whatever the series is already doing, one way or another. Neither a casual audience that may be more ambivalent nor particular external boards that may have more prominent numbers of vocal haters. |
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Post by quole on Aug 19, 2018 6:27:44 GMT
MEA 2 with Ryder. There's no way they could properly make a sequel to ME3 given the ending. That's the whole reason the series went to another galaxy to begin with. I would like to see the quarian ark show up in Andromeda and there to be better plot in the game. One that I actually care about.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 19, 2018 8:10:39 GMT
Interesting poll results so far. VERY interesting. At this moment, MEA2/Ryder has three times the number of votes as the second option. I definitely expected this. I'm just curious about the numbers! And I do expect a Bioware board, with more dedicated Bioware followers/players/fanatics to want the most to follow along with whatever the series is already doing, one way or another. Neither a casual audience that may be more ambivalent nor particular external boards that may have more prominent numbers of vocal haters. The only reason I commented is because there was so much hate flying around. Yet, the majority (of this admittedly small poll) seem to like MEA, like Ryder and want to see more. More importantly, people see that Shepard's story is done and it's time to move on. It's time to face facts that there's nothing Shepard could do that would top stopping the Reaper invasion. Nothing at all. Trying to live up to that is impossible. Better to put Shepard to rest and move on to something else. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 19, 2018 9:14:13 GMT
I’m not surprised by the results. Much beloved as the OT is, it’s in a narrative pit that I don’t think the writers could properly pull it out of in a satisfying way. Their only real option would be to pick an ending there and commit to it. Homogenizing it with some silly huge time gap won’t cut it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 11:13:26 GMT
I'm surprised at the results too. Personally I'd want to go back to the Milky Way with new characters, either before or after the events of the trilogy. I just never got emotionally invested in Andromeda despite being so excited about it at the start of the game.  |
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 19, 2018 11:48:43 GMT
I definitely expected this. I'm just curious about the numbers! And I do expect a Bioware board, with more dedicated Bioware followers/players/fanatics to want the most to follow along with whatever the series is already doing, one way or another. Neither a casual audience that may be more ambivalent nor particular external boards that may have more prominent numbers of vocal haters. The only reason I commented is because there was so much hate flying around. Yet, the majority (of this admittedly small poll) seem to like MEA, like Ryder and want to see more. More importantly, people see that Shepard's story is done and it's time to move on. It's time to face facts that there's nothing Shepard could do that would top stopping the Reaper invasion. Nothing at all. Trying to live up to that is impossible. Better to put Shepard to rest and move on to something else. I hate this reasoning for it was the same comments being used when there were polls about the endings to Mass Effect 3. For with the endings in Mass Effect 3 people used the online polls to say that BioWare screwed up and had to change the ending, but now are dismissive towards the polls because it shows people rather stick with Andromeda. I am not sure how you felt on the polls for the endings to Mass Effect 3, its just frustrating to see people only really wanting to accept the information that backs up how they personally feel and then will just as easily dismiss what they don't agree with for any reason they can. My answer to your poll doesn't exist, for my answer would be "I don't care", I will probably buy anything that BioWare produces for Mass Effect for I have generally enjoyed what they have created even if the most recent wasn't my favorite. |
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Post by Iakus on Aug 19, 2018 15:16:42 GMT
MENext with Other.
This series is so borked at this point they need a complete restart, and quite possibly a hard reboot.
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Post by natetrace on Aug 19, 2018 16:48:10 GMT
MEA2 with a new character you create. As said in another thread a mercenary background would be cool. I have always said Andromeda 2 would have a different name but keep the A. I think this is likely for many reasons. New character creation and the next game will be on the next gen. I like Ryder, I just think ME will go a more DA with it's protagonists.
Now, I think one more game in Andromeda would suffice. Then we can return to the Milky Way. For a prequel? Maybe. Perhaps at the end our character gets Frozen and awakens 75 years after the Reaper War. So Mass Effect 4 is both a sequel to the prequel and 3.
That character gets only two games though. They would need to explain why your prequel character is missing during the events of the OT. They were just sleeping...
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 19, 2018 17:53:04 GMT
I hate this reasoning for it was the same comments being used when there were polls about the endings to Mass Effect 3. For with the endings in Mass Effect 3 people used the online polls to say that BioWare screwed up and had to change the ending, but now are dismissive towards the polls because it shows people rather stick with Andromeda. I am not sure how you felt on the polls for the endings to Mass Effect 3, its just frustrating to see people only really wanting to accept the information that backs up how they personally feel and then will just as easily dismiss what they don't agree with for any reason they can. I wasn't around back then. I'm sure I could sift through Fextralife to find such polls, I'm not going to. I was only on the old BSN boards for a short time before it was shut down. I started here when it first opened. I'm not saying BioWare screwed up. I've played all the endings (except Refusal) and come up with Destroy as the best option. Others prefer some of the other endings. I don't care. Even if there had only been one ending, I still wouldn't want to see the continued adventures of Commander Shepard. Shepard's story was to defeat the Reapers. Shepard did the impossible and won. It's time to move on to another protagonist. I think the idea of people going to Andromeda as explorers didn't make sense of any number of reasons, not the least of which had to do with the hubris of thinking there couldn't possibly be people living on these "golden worlds". If they're that habitable, something would have arisen. That's just realistic. However, they did go there and I enjoyed the game on its own terms. There were things I didn't like. There are also things I don't like from the OT. I also happen to like Ryder and would like to see and MEA2 that features Ryder. I'd love to see Ryder evolve as a fighter, but not lose the adventurous spirit. That's my take. Feel free to disagree but believe when I say that any ending of ME3 would have still left me not wanting Shepard anymore. |
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 19, 2018 18:04:14 GMT
I hate this reasoning for it was the same comments being used when there were polls about the endings to Mass Effect 3. For with the endings in Mass Effect 3 people used the online polls to say that BioWare screwed up and had to change the ending, but now are dismissive towards the polls because it shows people rather stick with Andromeda. I am not sure how you felt on the polls for the endings to Mass Effect 3, its just frustrating to see people only really wanting to accept the information that backs up how they personally feel and then will just as easily dismiss what they don't agree with for any reason they can. I wasn't around back then. I'm sure I could sift through Fextralife to find such polls, I'm not going to. I was only on the old BSN boards for a short time before it was shut down. I started here when it first opened. I'm not saying BioWare screwed up. I've played all the endings (except Refusal) and come up with Destroy as the best option. Others prefer some of the other endings. I don't care. Even if there had only been one ending, I still wouldn't want to see the continued adventures of Commander Shepard. Shepard's story was to defeat the Reapers. Shepard did the impossible and won. It's time to move on to another protagonist. I think the idea of people going to Andromeda as explorers didn't make sense of any number of reasons, not the least of which had to do with the hubris of thinking there couldn't possibly be people living on these "golden worlds". If they're that habitable, something would have arisen. That's just realistic. However, they did go there and I enjoyed the game on its own terms. There were things I didn't like. There are also things I don't like from the OT. I also happen to like Ryder and would like to see and MEA2 that features Ryder. I'd love to see Ryder evolve as a fighter, but not lose the adventurous spirit. That's my take. Feel free to disagree but believe when I say that any ending of ME3 would have still left me not wanting Shepard anymore. I wholeheartedly agree  |
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I've stated my preference already here many times. MEA2 with Ryder... or MORE IMPORTANTLY, Bioware continuing with their story plan as they envisioned continuing the franchise before they released ME:A and encountered all the childish hate and flack that hit the internet. At the core of ME:A is, IMO, a good start to what could be a very interesting story with lots of potential to add new things for many games to come (and I believe their plans did include a means of coming back to the Milky Way). Bioware need to make some improvements on the delivery of that new story, sure; but it's certainly not as bad a story idea or game idea as some people would like to convince others to believe (and most of them seem to want to force the franchise back towards another story about Shepard because they didn't like how Bioware ended that story and began fighting the whole idea of Andromeda long before the game was released). Frankly, I'm sick of it and all the "discussion" here on the matter, poll after poll after poll... just because they don't like the results they get... has really just soured me on the OT.
At any rate, it probably matters little because the current trend in gaming is to play online... and my internet sucks so bad I simply can't. I can barely download the updates to these massives games now (yes, FO4 has crashed again for me and I'm looking at yet another 2-days worth of downloading and restarting the game for the 8th time). Please developers, go back to making some SP RPGs that are in the neighborhood of 50 hours long (not that I think you'll actually do that because the reality is you want other people's money, not mine, it seems... just be aware, I can't buy (or won't buy) what I can't play.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 19, 2018 22:48:09 GMT
I'm surprised at the results too. Personally I'd want to go back to the Milky Way with new characters, either before or after the events of the trilogy. I just never got emotionally invested in Andromeda despite being so excited about it at the start of the game.  Funny enough, my emotional investment in the OT only came after playing all three games. I just happened to have played them all, for the first time, in early 2016. And even then I was drawn in by mShenko. Not sure I'd have been invested with ME1 as a standalone game. (Also, ME1 had the lowest ratings of the OT.) Why not give MEA2 a shot? It might surprise you, especially if BioWare were dead certain that it had no animation issues and better writing. (Note that I liked MEA so the writing isn't an issue for me - I just know it was for other people.) Besides, plenty of the "Why couldn't Ryder say this?" are the same things I've heard about the MET with "Why couldn't Shepard do that?" Literally, the same thing but for some reason it seems more harsh when used against MEA. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 22:52:38 GMT
I'm surprised at the results too. Personally I'd want to go back to the Milky Way with new characters, either before or after the events of the trilogy. I just never got emotionally invested in Andromeda despite being so excited about it at the start of the game. Funny enough, my emotional investment in the OT only came after playing all three games. I just happened to have played them all, for the first time, in early 2016. And even then I was drawn in by mShenko. Not sure I'd have been invested with ME1 as a standalone game. (Also, ME1 had the lowest ratings of the OT.) Why not give MEA2 a shot? It might surprise you, especially if BioWare were dead certain that it had no animation issues and better writing. (Note that I liked MEA so the writing isn't an issue for me - I just know it was for other people.) Besides, plenty of the "Why couldn't Ryder say this?" are the same things I've heard about the MET with "Why couldn't Shepard do that?" Literally, the same thing but for some reason it seems more harsh when used against MEA. True, they might surprise us, but I was far more fond of the Salarians, Turians and Krogan at the end of ME1 than I ever was of the Angara or Kett. I did enjoy the first third of MEA tho so I would still be open to a new one, but if I had a choice I'd go back to the old crew. |
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