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Post by griffith82 on Aug 27, 2018 0:50:37 GMT
I don't think anyone should be forced to like a game. But again its childish to wish it failure because its not what you wanted. Agreed.
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Post by Phantom on Aug 27, 2018 0:59:37 GMT
Hard reboot, I believe, is the only way forward. There's too much apathy toward the franchise and MEA in particular to move forward. I think they could have done a sequel to MEA had they not abandoned it but that window has closed. I would hate that. Despite its faults no reboot would ever live up to the original. People would constantly be comparing it to the original and finding all its "faults" for not being the OT. It think that's the most likely outcome. The game couldn't be viewed as an original work but instead as a pale imitation of the real thing.
If ME were rebooted, it would only be to bring the MW back. Beyond that, it would have to be a completely different story with an all-new cast. It would almost be like starting from scratch except we could have the same set of alien races. No Shepard, no VS's, no Wrex, etc. In fact, not even the same combination of races for squadmates. Cerberus would be a big no for me unless brought back to its ME1 roots - a terrorist organization that isn't wealthier than the volus.
This is just me, ME1 and ME2 version Of Cerberus is what I truly prefer and a much smaller organization than what we gotten with ME3 version of Cerberus due to the stupid big it has gotten within ME3 at an unreasonable size unreasonably quickly. Also My ideas with Cerberus would be less of Incomptence Inc. and more effective organization(less of them fucking up and them making effective science projects of all stripes). With my idea of ME3, Harbringer thru various means Reduce Cerberus to 1 to 2 Cells. Also I would have Harbringer have a much bigger role and having several plots in motion that causes massive damage to all canon factions thru Reaper Sleeper Agents, Classical Reaper Husks and Collectors. Also If there are going to be more humanoid factions to shoot up outside of Reaper(both Classical Reaper Husks and Collectors) and Geth, I would love to see someone add new Factions or develop under used factions. For example, Reaper Sleeper Agents can be made up with Several Known factions(alliance, citadel and other canon factions). Imagining fighting against Indoctrinated Justicars or Quarians or Alliance Marines for various quests. Or forced to Fight both Krogan and Turian Reaper Sleeper Agents On Tuchanka Arch. or get into a crossfire between Geth and Quarians and both of them actively shoot at you.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 27, 2018 1:04:34 GMT
I don't think anyone should be forced to like a game. But again its childish to wish it failure because its not what you wanted. Indeed.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 27, 2018 2:50:24 GMT
This is just me, ME1 and ME2 version Of Cerberus is what I truly prefer and a much smaller organization than what we gotten with ME3 version of Cerberus due to the stupid big it has gotten within ME3 at an unreasonable size unreasonably quickly. Also My ideas with Cerberus would be less of Incomptence Inc. and more effective organization(less of them fucking up and them making effective science projects of all stripes). Sorry, just addressing this part. I think Cerberus was still too big in ME2. They had the money to spend billions of credits to resurrect Shepard and restore him to prime condition. That money couldn't be easy to come by, at least not without basically shutting down every other cell to make it happen.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 27, 2018 6:23:14 GMT
I would hate that. Despite its faults no reboot would ever live up to the original. People would constantly be comparing it to the original and finding all its "faults" for not being the OT. It think that's the most likely outcome. The game couldn't be viewed as an original work but instead as a pale imitation of the real thing.
If ME were rebooted, it would only be to bring the MW back. Beyond that, it would have to be a completely different story with an all-new cast. It would almost be like starting from scratch except we could have the same set of alien races. No Shepard, no VS's, no Wrex, etc. In fact, not even the same combination of races for squadmates. Cerberus would be a big no for me unless brought back to its ME1 roots - a terrorist organization that isn't wealthier than the volus.
This is just me, ME1 and ME2 version Of Cerberus is what I truly prefer and a much smaller organization than what we gotten with ME3 version of Cerberus due to the stupid big it has gotten within ME3 at an unreasonable size unreasonably quickly. Also My ideas with Cerberus would be less of Incomptence Inc. and more effective organization(less of them fucking up and them making effective science projects of all stripes). With my idea of ME3, Harbringer thru various means Reduce Cerberus to 1 to 2 Cells. Also I would have Harbringer have a much bigger role and having several plots in motion that causes massive damage to all canon factions thru Reaper Sleeper Agents, Classical Reaper Husks and Collectors. Also If there are going to be more humanoid factions to shoot up outside of Reaper(both Classical Reaper Husks and Collectors) and Geth, I would love to see someone add new Factions or develop under used factions. For example, Reaper Sleeper Agents can be made up with Several Known factions(alliance, citadel and other canon factions). Imagining fighting against Indoctrinated Justicars or Quarians or Alliance Marines for various quests. Or forced to Fight both Krogan and Turian Reaper Sleeper Agents On Tuchanka Arch. or get into a crossfire between Geth and Quarians and both of them actively shoot at you. Personally I don’t really see much of a difference in size between ME2 and ME3’s Cerberus. They had massive facilities already in place by the beginning of 2. They had an entire space station dedicated to the Lazarus Project, and then another facility to build a bigger better Normandy, and that’s not even accounting for whatever secret hideout the Illusive Man is sitting in with his big primo view of a dying star.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 27, 2018 15:34:33 GMT
This is just me, ME1 and ME2 version Of Cerberus is what I truly prefer and a much smaller organization than what we gotten with ME3 version of Cerberus due to the stupid big it has gotten within ME3 at an unreasonable size unreasonably quickly. Also My ideas with Cerberus would be less of Incomptence Inc. and more effective organization(less of them fucking up and them making effective science projects of all stripes). With my idea of ME3, Harbringer thru various means Reduce Cerberus to 1 to 2 Cells. Also I would have Harbringer have a much bigger role and having several plots in motion that causes massive damage to all canon factions thru Reaper Sleeper Agents, Classical Reaper Husks and Collectors. Also If there are going to be more humanoid factions to shoot up outside of Reaper(both Classical Reaper Husks and Collectors) and Geth, I would love to see someone add new Factions or develop under used factions. For example, Reaper Sleeper Agents can be made up with Several Known factions(alliance, citadel and other canon factions). Imagining fighting against Indoctrinated Justicars or Quarians or Alliance Marines for various quests. Or forced to Fight both Krogan and Turian Reaper Sleeper Agents On Tuchanka Arch. or get into a crossfire between Geth and Quarians and both of them actively shoot at you. Personally I don’t really see much of a difference in size between ME2 and ME3’s Cerberus. They had massive facilities already in place by the beginning of 2. They had an entire space station dedicated to the Lazarus Project, and then another facility to build a bigger better Normandy, and that’s not even accounting for whatever secret hideout the Illusive Man is sitting in with his big primo view of a dying star. They were unreasonably large even in ME2
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Post by ahglock on Aug 29, 2018 1:31:52 GMT
I always figured they were stylized after Cobra. The illusive man is cobra commander, Miranda is Serpentor, kai leng is storm shadow.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 29, 2018 2:16:52 GMT
I always figured they were stylized after Cobra. The illusive man is cobra commander, Miranda is Serpentor, kai leng is storm shadow. And Liara is a tasty meal for us! 🍴 😈
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Post by Phantom on Aug 29, 2018 2:33:38 GMT
I always figured they were stylized after Cobra. The illusive man is cobra commander, Miranda is Serpentor, kai leng is storm shadow. And Liara is a tasty meal for us! 🍴 😈 You can have Liara and for science you can have your way with her
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 29, 2018 2:38:59 GMT
And Liara is a tasty meal for us! 🍴 😈 You can have Liara and for science you can have your way with her We would rather just eat her. Asari flesh is very tasty!
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Post by setecastronomy on Aug 29, 2018 19:31:37 GMT
I went with MEA2 with new protag simply because I am dying to see Andromeda/Helius 100-200 years later, getting to see the fruits of Ryder and Co.'s labor.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 30, 2018 1:52:57 GMT
I went with MEA2 with new protag simply because I am dying to see Andromeda/Helius 100-200 years later, getting to see the fruits of Ryder and Co.'s labor. I want Ryder and Andromeda but failing that I'd take a new protag but not with that big of a time jump.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 30, 2018 1:55:16 GMT
I would hate that. Despite its faults no reboot would ever live up to the original. People would constantly be comparing it to the original and finding all its "faults" for not being the OT. It think that's the most likely outcome. The game couldn't be viewed as an original work but instead as a pale imitation of the real thing.
If ME were rebooted, it would only be to bring the MW back. Beyond that, it would have to be a completely different story with an all-new cast. It would almost be like starting from scratch except we could have the same set of alien races. No Shepard, no VS's, no Wrex, etc. In fact, not even the same combination of races for squadmates. Cerberus would be a big no for me unless brought back to its ME1 roots - a terrorist organization that isn't wealthier than the volus.
This is just me, ME1 and ME2 version Of Cerberus is what I truly prefer and a much smaller organization than what we gotten with ME3 version of Cerberus due to the stupid big it has gotten within ME3 at an unreasonable size unreasonably quickly. Also My ideas with Cerberus would be less of Incomptence Inc. and more effective organization(less of them fucking up and them making effective science projects of all stripes). With my idea of ME3, Harbringer thru various means Reduce Cerberus to 1 to 2 Cells. Also I would have Harbringer have a much bigger role and having several plots in motion that causes massive damage to all canon factions thru Reaper Sleeper Agents, Classical Reaper Husks and Collectors. Also If there are going to be more humanoid factions to shoot up outside of Reaper(both Classical Reaper Husks and Collectors) and Geth, I would love to see someone add new Factions or develop under used factions. For example, Reaper Sleeper Agents can be made up with Several Known factions(alliance, citadel and other canon factions). Imagining fighting against Indoctrinated Justicars or Quarians or Alliance Marines for various quests. Or forced to Fight both Krogan and Turian Reaper Sleeper Agents On Tuchanka Arch. or get into a crossfire between Geth and Quarians and both of them actively shoot at you. I think a ME3 with one or two more years of development and less reliance on sets of MP faction units for combat enemies, could have at least been a lot closer to this concept that I agree with you on  I wanted way more Indoctrinated, by the Reapers directly. Not because I'm totally in love with this idea, but because its what the previous games seemed to be setting up anyway. I feel they rolled up too much into a Cerberus faction, and maybe it could have been done better and more enjoyable, but it wasn't so bleh.
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Post by jpcab on Aug 30, 2018 2:04:40 GMT
Ryder is good for 16 years old players maybe...but hey maybe those r the maiority now a days .. Why insisting on this character? Mea was a complete failure and there r ppl that insist on ryder? Jesus
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Ryder is good for 16 years old players maybe...but hey maybe those r the maiority now a days .. Why insisting on this character? Mea was a complete failure and there r ppl that insist on ryder? Jesus It was not a complete failure. You are welcome to not like it, but if it was a complete failure nobody would like the game and the way people talk around here is enough proof that isn't true.
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Post by jpcab on Aug 30, 2018 2:29:37 GMT
Was a failure. That for itself should be enough to not repeat the same mistake.
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Post by fortlowe on Aug 30, 2018 2:40:33 GMT
I'd rather a sidequel set in the Shepard era set on Illium, Omega, the Citadel, or Palaven. Something other than a party based RPG (please don't jump on my back, I ALSO want a proper Masse Effect game too). Maybe a stealth based espionage thriller about an operative for the Council on a mission that will earn them spectre status? Something set between two of the original three Mass Effect games?
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 30, 2018 2:40:45 GMT
Was a failure. That for itself should be enough to not repeat the same mistake. Failure in what regard then? Not meeting sales expectations sure, but then by that metric plenty of games are failures including Resident Evil 7.
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I'd rather a sidequel set in the Shepard era set on Illium, Omega, the Citadel, or Palaven. Something other than a party based RPG (please don't jump on my back, I ALSO want a proper Masse Effect game too). Maybe a stealth based espionage thriller about an operative for the Council on a mission that will earn them spectre status? Something set between two of the original three Mass Effect games? The problem I with any game that will take place before the end of Mass Effect 3 there really isn't that much to tell, its not like something like Star Wars where you can set something about the Force 10,000 years before the movies so anything you do doesn't have to match up perfectly with that information. The other problem is BioWare doesn't have the skills for those types of games and the more people complain about Anthem the less hope I have for them to even try to incorporate those ideas into existing franchises "because it isn't BioWare".
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Post by jpcab on Aug 30, 2018 2:49:04 GMT
Was a failure. That for itself should be enough to not repeat the same mistake. Failure in what regard then? Not meeting sales expectations sure, but then by that metric plenty of games are failures including Resident Evil 7. Failure in what regard? ? Really? Compare it to any of the trilogy games compare feedback between shepard and ryder go to fanfic make the comparison again and i think its obvious.Sincerely
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 30, 2018 2:56:56 GMT
Failure in what regard then? Not meeting sales expectations sure, but then by that metric plenty of games are failures including Resident Evil 7. Failure in what regard? ? Really? Compare it to any of the trilogy games compare feedback between shepard and ryder go to fanfic make the comparison again and i think its obvious.Sincerely Again that is personal opinions then, for people have been ranking the game differently from its launch for not everyone feels the same as you.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 30, 2018 3:05:48 GMT
I went with MEA2 with new protag simply because I am dying to see Andromeda/Helius 100-200 years later, getting to see the fruits of Ryder and Co.'s labor. I want Ryder and Andromeda but failing that I'd take a new protag but not with that big of a time jump. I don't think I'd be okay with this. Ryder was the central protagonist in MEA. ME is not DA and shouldn't be treated as such. At best, we could have a slightly older and more seasoned Ryder but even that isn't something I'd prefer.
Yes, Ryder had some insecurities. Definitely wasn't ready to be the Pathfinder. That was supposed to be Cora's job. Ryder was meant to follow orders and now suddenly has to give them. Yet, Ryder also has a cockiness at times. Certainly showed no fear when facing Sloane. That's a pretty big deal considering how tough she is and having tons of thugs to back her up. I think there's much more to Ryder that can be explored. Without a doubt, Ryder's self-confidence would be greatly improved in MEA2. I just don't think it needs to be changed a lot. Love the Ryder personality. So incredibly different from Shepard (who I loved) but Shepard was in familiar territory with familiar races. Ryder was in an unknown place, fighting enemies right from the start with no known motives, encountered crazy robots that were always trying to kill them, had to figure out who was friend or foe, deal with the broken AI factions - all while trying to broker peace with the angara. That's a hell of a lot of shit to do when you're a 25 year old.
I get that people what Shepard. Unfortunately, Shepard is dead...600 years dead by the time of MEA. If we have to leave the MW (and we do) then go for broke and make something different. That's Ryder, who embodies the spirit of adventure and exploration.
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Post by fortlowe on Aug 30, 2018 3:47:46 GMT
I'd rather a sidequel set in the Shepard era set on Illium, Omega, the Citadel, or Palaven. Something other than a party based RPG (please don't jump on my back, I ALSO want a proper Masse Effect game too). Maybe a stealth based espionage thriller about an operative for the Council on a mission that will earn them spectre status? Something set between two of the original three Mass Effect games? The problem I with any game that will take place before the end of Mass Effect 3 there really isn't that much to tell, its not like something like Star Wars where you can set something about the Force 10,000 years before the movies so anything you do doesn't have to match up perfectly with that information. The other problem is BioWare doesn't have the skills for those types of games and the more people complain about Anthem the less hope I have for them to even try to incorporate those ideas into existing franchises "because it isn't BioWare". I thinks there's plenty to tell. The primary reason Mass Effect is such a great series is that as important as Shepherds story is, it doesn't happen in a narrative vacuum. There are all these different governments, and corporations, and organizations, and characters, all vying for resources or influence or agendas with nothing at all to do with the Reapers or Cerberus.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 30, 2018 4:16:45 GMT
The problem I with any game that will take place before the end of Mass Effect 3 there really isn't that much to tell, its not like something like Star Wars where you can set something about the Force 10,000 years before the movies so anything you do doesn't have to match up perfectly with that information. The other problem is BioWare doesn't have the skills for those types of games and the more people complain about Anthem the less hope I have for them to even try to incorporate those ideas into existing franchises "because it isn't BioWare". I thinks there's plenty to tell. The primary reason Mass Effect is such a great series is that as important as Shepherds story is, it doesn't happen in a narrative vacuum. There are all these different governments, and corporations, and organizations, and characters, all vying for resources or influence or agendas with nothing at all to do with the Reapers or Cerberus. I think the MET was absolutely Shepard's story. I could possibly see a Spectre-based ME5, since they had to be doing some major things around the galaxy, but even that wouldn't work for me. No, Shepard's story is done. Time to move on.
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