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Post by arsjac on Aug 21, 2018 17:01:22 GMT
Besides the ending, there's another huge WTF moment in Mass Effect 3, something that isn't mentioned much, but should be:
The prothean device on Thessia, which provided advanced knowledge to the Asari.
So, the main reason the Asari are "ahead" is because of that thing. Even Garrus mentions it if you bring him to the mission. That's such a huge "humanity is SPECIAL!" BS it blows my head off.
So the Asari had advanced knowledge for thousands of years, and despite all that, and their biotics and their long life span, the Asari empire is barely more advanced than humanity, despite the latter finding a prothean beacon just thirty years ago.
WOW!
Image if that temple had been on earth all the time and used by humans. Humanity would special the reapers ouf of existence with the blink of an eye during Mass Effect's time period.
"Humanity is special" is prevalent throughout the series, but that's the cake. Really, "humanity is special" SF should just come clear and say that humans are God's chosen and be done with it. That would piss lots of fanboys/girls off (or maybe not, given the success of BSG), but it would be actually easier to swallow than humanity is special... just because. ("genetic diversity" - because no other planet has continental drift?) At least there would be some kind of explanation for all that endless smug ULTRA specialness.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 21, 2018 17:12:09 GMT
Humanity is special. We're the best species in the universe. - we have the best looking homeworld in the universe - the best vacation spots in the universe - we have the best entertainment in the universe - we have Shepard  - the best food and drink |
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 21, 2018 18:21:49 GMT
Humanity is special. We're the best species in the universe. - we have the best looking homeworld in the universe - the best vacation spots in the universe - we have the best entertainment in the universe - we have Shepard  - the best food and drink Damn it! You beat me to it!
I was going to say, even going by the real world, that humanity is indeed special. I need proof that I'm wrong.
In story, well, we are special. That's why we became a Council race in 29 years and mostly held our own against the turians.
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 21, 2018 18:22:28 GMT
which have almost nothing to do with general advancement and are implied to be inferior to human biotics
the Asari empire is barely more advanced than humanity ...but vastly bigger |
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 21, 2018 18:27:51 GMT
Krogan are way specialer - just ask Wrex!
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 21, 2018 18:47:08 GMT
which have almost nothing to do with general advancement and are implied to be inferior to human biotics
the Asari empire is barely more advanced than humanity ...but vastly bigger For biotics, we have Kaidan Alenko as a match for asari. The way he can do Reave seems to be especially unusual, at least going by the Citadel DLC.
Sure, the asari are bigger, but they had special hand-outs from the Protheans. For one, the Protheans made them intrinsically biotic. That's an advantage over other races. Two, they had a Prothean beacon specifically left for them in their early stages of development. (For humanity, it was on Mars, so it would take some time to find.) What I take from this is that the asari aren't especially better than other races so much as they were given tech and power denied to other races.
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 21, 2018 19:57:55 GMT
For biotics, we have Kaidan Alenko as a match for asari. The way he can do Reave seems to be especially unusual, at least going by the Citadel DLC. Kaidan alone could be an outlier and he's barely a "match" to a typical asari. I'm talking about those paragraphs in Retribution about the limits of human biotics in general. Sure, the asari are bigger, but they had special hand-outs from the Protheans. [...] Of course, I'm just reminding a fact that's frequently forgotten. For one, the Protheans made them intrinsically biotic. That's an advantage over other races. Yes, but don't overestimate it. It makes them better combatants than most non-biotics but it gives no edge at technology, for example. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 21, 2018 20:07:24 GMT
For biotics, we have Kaidan Alenko as a match for asari. The way he can do Reave seems to be especially unusual, at least going by the Citadel DLC. Kaidan alone could be an outlier and he's barely a "match" to a typical asari. I'm talking about those paragraphs in Retribution about the limits of human biotics in general. Sure, the asari are bigger, but they had special hand-outs from the Protheans. [...] Of course, I'm just reminding a fact that's frequently forgotten. For one, the Protheans made them intrinsically biotic. That's an advantage over other races. Yes, but don't overestimate it. It makes them better combatants than most non-biotics but it gives no edge at technology, for example. Sure, but I covered that. The Protheans left a fully functional beacon right on Thessia. The one for humanity was on Mars. That's the tech advantage over other races. Kaidan might be an outlier, but it's funny because he has an older, more difficult implant. Sure, it's stronger than the L3's but not stronger than the L4's and L5's. And then there's Jack. Theoretically (never mind actual gameplay) she's extremely powerful. Miranda, by herself, took out that asari merc who was abducting Oriana. I think you don't give humanity enough credit. Maybe they're all outliers. But if that's true in just 30 years, think what kind of potential humanity has. And you know humanity will be doing, perhaps, safer ways to create new Jacks and Mirandas, but they will do it.
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 21, 2018 20:19:52 GMT
Miranda, by herself, took out that asari merc who was abducting Oriana. Miranda is said to have biotics implanted ten years before humans have ever learned about them. If we want to talk within some consistent theory, we should ignore her completely. I think you don't give humanity enough credit. Maybe they're all outliers. But if that's true in just 30 years, think what kind of potential humanity has. And you know humanity will be doing, perhaps, safer ways to create new Jacks and Mirandas, but they will do it.
I reminded in my previous post that humans are implied in the books to be outliers as a species in terms of biotics and I acknowledge that they are. Isn't that giving enough credit?
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 21, 2018 22:36:41 GMT
Barely more advanced? Ehhhh I dunno about that. The asari were exploring space much earlier than the humans. They also made the Destiny Ascension which is a highly advanced ship, where as humans only have the Normandy and Tempest because they collaborated with the turians and salarians. Normandy > Destiny Ascension, in terms of sophistication. Wasn't the dark matter ending all about how the asari were almost perfect biotics, the beings the reapers were waiting for, but only fell a little short? It was about it and some groundwork for this ending was made:  (This is at the time some human biotics already match the asari.) Later in the book, Reapers are wildly interested in this data.
How are human biotics better than that? Better than Samara? Jack destroyed three YMIR mechs with one attack, using old implants and without load-up. I believe it's Samara's level.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 22, 2018 0:42:37 GMT
Jack destroyed three YMIR mechs with one attack, using old implants and without load-up. I believe it's Samara's level. Agreed, as my wasn't-paying-close-enough-ass also suggested, using Jack, Miranda and Kaidan as examples. (I'd call Jack stronger than Kaidan because Jack could have shoved that Mako out of the way whereas Kaidan had to dodge it. [Meta analysis - it could have been anyone there so the cutscene had to account for, say, Vega and Ashley, neither of who are biotics.] Still, he's asari level. She's another level entirely.) |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 22, 2018 1:35:04 GMT
We had a good laugh at the whole "asari are superior" thing. Because they are not.
We, the Klyntar are the FAR superior race compared to the asari.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 22, 2018 5:26:38 GMT
We had a good laugh at the whole "asari are superior" thing. Because they are not. We, the Klyntar are the FAR superior race compared to the asari. I don't know. If I lure you up to a bell tower and ring it, you just turn to goo. At least, that's how Peter Parker rid himself of your kind. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 22, 2018 5:34:39 GMT
We had a good laugh at the whole "asari are superior" thing. Because they are not. We, the Klyntar are the FAR superior race compared to the asari. I don't know. If I lure you up to a bell tower and ring it, you just turn to goo. At least, that's how Peter Parker rid himself of your kind. Bah! Puny Parker did not know what he had when we were with him. If he did then he would have been the best superhero in New York, at lest Flash Thompson and Eddie Brock knew what kind of benefit we are to them. Edit: Also, Flash Thompson was the only one who believed that we were more then when Parker would call us a "monster". |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 5:45:12 GMT
Humans are a special interest for the Reapers, because it was Shepard, a human, along with some help managed to take out one of their own. Shepard is essentially leading the charge and gathering up all these allies to help defeat the Reaper invasion.
Humanity aside, Harbinger has a special interest in Shepard, because it knows Shepard's value, and if Harbinger can turn Shepard into a Reaper agent, Shepard can prove to be useful to them. Shepard is much better off alive than dead. That's why they wait until the very end of ME3 to make their offer to Shepard.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 22, 2018 9:52:23 GMT
How are human biotics better than that? Better than Samara? Jack destroyed three YMIR mechs with one attack, using old implants and without load-up. I believe it's Samara's level.
In a cut-scene yes, but in-game she was not very good IMHO. I never liked this disparity tbh. Either give us power or not. |
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Aug 22, 2018 12:09:22 GMT
Asari are the master race. Only the krogan can compare but even they fall short.
Humans are pathetic. Only piss poor writing allows us to stand anywhere near these two vastly superior races.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Aug 22, 2018 12:26:30 GMT
They also made the Destiny Ascension which is a highly advanced ship Is it though? Seems like a slow, lumbering projectile sponge to me  |
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 22, 2018 13:44:56 GMT
Jack destroyed three YMIR mechs with one attack, using old implants and without load-up. I believe it's Samara's level.
In a cut-scene yes, but in-game she was not very good IMHO. I never liked this disparity tbh. Either give us power or not. Because gameplay needs to be balanced. |
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 22, 2018 14:31:55 GMT
In a cut-scene yes, but in-game she was not very good IMHO. I never liked this disparity tbh. Either give us power or not. Because gameplay needs to be balanced. I know.... but still, the cutscenes could be as balanced sorry just ranting |
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 22, 2018 16:50:46 GMT
Yes but could she float down from a balcony like a GODDESS? She's not as stylish as Samara but she can do something like that   |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 22, 2018 20:10:30 GMT
Asari are the master race. Only the krogan can compare but even they fall short. Humans are pathetic. Only piss poor writing allows us to stand anywhere near these two vastly superior races. The only thing that the asari are "masters" at is being a snack for us! |
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 22, 2018 20:29:55 GMT
They also made the Destiny Ascension which is a highly advanced ship Is it though? Seems like a slow, lumbering projectile sponge to me  It's also enormous, holding 10,000 people. So, yeah, I think you're right that it has to be slow. It might do a lot of damage...if it can reach its target before it speeds away. Unless it's like a Death Star and can actually blow planets to bits. It was actually to slow to escape the geth fleet. That's problematic and I can't say how it would be especially useful during evacuations. |
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Aug 22, 2018 20:34:47 GMT
Asari are the master race. Only the krogan can compare but even they fall short. Humans are pathetic. Only piss poor writing allows us to stand anywhere near these two vastly superior races. The only thing that the asari are "masters" at is being a snack for us! Does your disgusting parasitic race even exist in the Mass Effect universe? |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 22, 2018 20:38:47 GMT
The only thing that the asari are "masters" at is being a snack for us! Does your disgusting parasitic race even exist in the Mass Effect universe? Why don't you ask Knull. He might be able to answer that. Edit: We are disgusting? Ha! The asari are the ones who are truly disgusting. |
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