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Post by sgtreed24 on Sept 4, 2018 20:08:39 GMT
I really hope Owlcat's Kingmaker game takes off. Hmmm, not heard of that one... That said, there are so many good games coming out, it's hard to know what to play... - 7 September - Spiderman
- 14 September - Shadow of the Tomb Raider
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Meh, I only see 2 playable games on that list. And it's the first 2. Pretty sure most people say its at the point in which they were acquired by EA. Personally, I just think Bioware is just going through a rough time with trying to figure out the Open world genre and getting their heads around the Frostbite engine. Which is pretty ironic considering most fan favorites would fall in the EA timespan. Eh idk about that... BG, NWN, KOTOR, and JE were all before EA were they not? At the least, BG and KOTOR are pretty darn popular.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 4, 2018 20:16:23 GMT
DA:I won GOTY by default, it was a pretty poor year in general IMdB lists 812 games released in 2014. www.imdb.com/search/title?sort=moviemeter,asc&title_type=game&year=2014 And DAI managed to be judged the best game of the year by default? I hope you will share this magic trick that a shit game can persuade 134 media outlets to declare it 'game of the year' by default. Certainly not taking issue with you personally, Steelcan, but that's comedy post of the month, thank you for it.
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Post by wright1978 on Sept 4, 2018 20:17:41 GMT
My eggs are firmly in cyberpunk’s basket.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 4, 2018 20:19:53 GMT
Pretty sure most people say its at the point in which they were acquired by EA. Personally, I just think Bioware is just going through a rough time with trying to figure out the Open world genre and getting their heads around the Frostbite engine. Which is pretty ironic considering most fan favorites would fall in the EA timespan. Yeah, Mass Effect 2 is often regarded as one of Bioware's best games, if not not one of the greatest games of all time... And it was an EA title.
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Post by helios969 on Sept 4, 2018 20:22:41 GMT
Hmmm, not heard of that one... That said, there are so many good games coming out, it's hard to know what to play... - 7 September - Spiderman
- 14 September - Shadow of the Tomb Raider
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- 20 November - Battlefield V
- 22 February - Anthem
Meh, I only see 2 playable games on that list. And it's the first 2. Which is pretty ironic considering most fan favorites would fall in the EA timespan. Eh idk about that... BG, NWN, KOTOR, and JE were all before EA were they not? At the least, BG and KOTOR are pretty darn popular. So popular that we discuss them ad nauseam in the subforums on this site designated to Bioware games? I enjoyed all those games (except BG which I missed) but we all know the overwhelming favorites are DA and ME. Hell, every couple years I bust out KOTOR for a fresh playthrough...but it doesn't hold a candle to those IP's.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 4, 2018 20:29:43 GMT
Meh, I only see 2 playable games on that list. And it's the first 2. Eh idk about that... BG, NWN, KOTOR, and JE were all before EA were they not? At the least, BG and KOTOR are pretty darn popular. So popular that we discuss them ad nauseam in the subforums on this site designated to Bioware games? I enjoyed all those games (except BG which I missed) but we all know the overwhelming favorites are DA and ME. Hell, every couple years I bust out KOTOR for a fresh playthrough...but it doesn't hold a candle to those IP's. Funny, I'm doing a BG2 run right now. I've put better than 50 hours into it so far, in fact....
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Post by helios969 on Sept 4, 2018 20:31:50 GMT
So popular that we discuss them ad nauseam in the subforums on this site designated to Bioware games? I enjoyed all those games (except BG which I missed) but we all know the overwhelming favorites are DA and ME. Hell, every couple years I bust out KOTOR for a fresh playthrough...but it doesn't hold a candle to those IP's. Funny, I'm doing a BG2 run right now. I've put better than 50 hours into it so far, in fact.... So that's what you want Bioware to go back to?
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Post by Iakus on Sept 4, 2018 20:47:14 GMT
Funny, I'm doing a BG2 run right now. I've put better than 50 hours into it so far, in fact.... So that's what you want Bioware to go back to? In a sense, yes. A sprawling world with huge maps, huge story, lots of companions with personal quests, agendas, banter, and compatibility issues. And yes those icky romances you so despise. Tons of dialogue, lots of choices, exclusive content, lots of room to, you know, Role Play. And best of all: mod friendly and designed with SINGLE PLAYER in mind! When I think of Bioware "evolving" I like to think of them taking BG2, and finding ways to improve THAT. Use advances in technology to improve graphics and mechanics. Improve the storytelling aspects. Aside from a large world, Anthem seems to have none of these things.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Sept 4, 2018 20:48:03 GMT
Meh, I only see 2 playable games on that list. And it's the first 2. Eh idk about that... BG, NWN, KOTOR, and JE were all before EA were they not? At the least, BG and KOTOR are pretty darn popular. So popular that we discuss them ad nauseam in the subforums on this site designated to Bioware games? I enjoyed all those games (except BG which I missed) but we all know the overwhelming favorites are DA and ME. Hell, every couple years I bust out KOTOR for a fresh playthrough...but it doesn't hold a candle to those IP's. KOTOR is probably my most played Bioware game. But of course ME and DA are the favorites. But technically ME1 was a Bioware before EA game as well. They didn't buy them until October 2007 and ME1 released in Nov 2007 so the game was basically finished by that point. And yes, I'd much prefer them to go back to KOTOR and ME1 style over the looter shooter craze. It can still be done and be popular I'd argue. (but it's not the fastest/easiest way to make a buck) I'd also wager CD's cyberpunk to be much more along those games lines than the newer games and their dumbed down mechanics.
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Post by river82 on Sept 4, 2018 20:54:16 GMT
I really hope Owlcat's Kingmaker game takes off. Hmmm, not heard of that one... ALERT! ALERT! We have a philistine in our midst! RPG storytelling God Chris Avellone himself is the narrative designer of Kingmaker, thereby ensuring a certain brand of storytelling goodness to go along with its godly gameplay. Behold, oh ye of questionable taste, and tremble: store.steampowered.com/app/640820/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 4, 2018 21:03:37 GMT
ALERT! ALERT! We have a philistine in our midst! Ah, that's one of those "PC games". I don't own a "PC".
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 4, 2018 21:17:57 GMT
Hehe myself i'll be playing wasteland 3 which comes out Feb. 26 so I can give Anthem time for the good or bad chatter before I commit
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Post by river82 on Sept 4, 2018 21:27:14 GMT
Speaking of upcoming video games. For anyone who likes turn-based, strategic squad shooters, Valkyria Chronicles 4 would almost have to be a "must buy". They've gone back to their roots and it looks amazing. Also there's a puppy ... who doesn't want puppies?
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Post by helios969 on Sept 4, 2018 22:09:57 GMT
So that's what you want Bioware to go back to? In a sense, yes. A sprawling world with huge maps, huge story, lots of companions with personal quests, agendas, banter, and compatibility issues. And yes those icky romances you so despise. Tons of dialogue, lots of choices, exclusive content, lots of room to, you know, Role Play. And best of all: mod friendly and designed with SINGLE PLAYER in mind! When I think of Bioware "evolving" I like to think of them taking BG2, and finding ways to improve THAT. Use advances in technology to improve graphics and mechanics. Improve the storytelling aspects. Aside from a large world, Anthem seems to have none of these things. Most of that stuff sounds good to me be save the BG top down POV, which I probably despise in the same way you dislike the Anthem shooter style. I actually do not hate romances, what I hate is the fanbase obsession and the demand that takes more and more away from all those other elements you speak of. It's apparently not good enough to have romances that are playersexual (an actually intelligent usage of limited resources) nope we have to have every taste and orientation accounted for rather than people just roleplaying that they lean a given way (which I think is nothing more than certain people needing their life choices validated). I would also like to point out that we the fanbase share some blame since the cost to create these games are substantially more yet people balk at dropping 60$ (a mere 10$ increase from almost a decade ago). I would also hazard a guess that RPG's are comparably more expensive to make with generally weaker sales. Now personally I would drop 100$ for a game like you describe, but I'm doubtful enough others would be. Hence Bioware's foray into a (potentially) more profitable market.
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Post by river82 on Sept 4, 2018 22:21:51 GMT
In a sense, yes. A sprawling world with huge maps, huge story, lots of companions with personal quests, agendas, banter, and compatibility issues. And yes those icky romances you so despise. Tons of dialogue, lots of choices, exclusive content, lots of room to, you know, Role Play. And best of all: mod friendly and designed with SINGLE PLAYER in mind! When I think of Bioware "evolving" I like to think of them taking BG2, and finding ways to improve THAT. Use advances in technology to improve graphics and mechanics. Improve the storytelling aspects. Aside from a large world, Anthem seems to have none of these things. Most of that stuff sounds good to me be save the BG top down POV, which I probably despise in the same way you dislike the Anthem shooter style. I actually do not hate romances, what I hate is the fanbase obsession and the demand that takes more and more away from all those other elements you speak of. It's apparently not good enough to have romances that are playersexual (an actually intelligent usage of limited resources) nope we have to have every taste and orientation accounted for rather than people just roleplaying that they lean a given way (which I think is nothing more than certain people needing their life choices validated). I would also like to point out that we the fanbase share some blame since the cost to create these games are substantially more yet people balk at dropping 60$ (a mere 10$ increase from almost a decade ago). I would also hazard a guess that RPG's are comparably more expensive to make with generally weaker sales. Now personally I would drop 100$ for a game like you describe, but I'm doubtful enough others would be. Hence Bioware's foray into a (potentially) more profitable market. Top down was probably necessary due to the strategic combat. Strategy games are almost always top down for a reason. Sales of RPGs aren't worse. BG2 sold ... 2 million when it was released? Also the price of games haven't increased, with inflation it's gone down. Also I, as part of the fanbase, aren't one of the problems, as I don't care about top graphics or voiceovers, big moneysinks. And others in the Bioware community feel the same. But the nature of AAA gaming means appealing to the widest possible number of customers, which means ramping up graphics regardless. To me, Pillars of Eternity looks absolutely gorgeous and blows me out of the water, and it would cost far less than detailing the graphics in Anthem. Bioware has become AAA, which means meeting the demands of many different consumers, an increasing number of consumers, chasing increasing profits and sales figures, and that's the moneysink. I'd be fine with AA games costing the same as they are and AAA games having an increase.
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Post by natetrace on Sept 5, 2018 0:34:32 GMT
I've already pre-ordered Anthem, I am ready for the focus on action. My family is growing, my wife and I both work, and I enjoy blasting away at monsters for a half hour.
I think part of the issue is BW seem to piss someone off no matter what they say. I think part of that is a concentrated effort by the anti social justice crowd, who were ready to hate Andromeda long before it came out. They continue to bash Andromeda or Inquisition or BioWare, with their monetized Youtube videos, to this day. I don't consider myself a "sjw", but it's a bit ridiculous to see the ever expanding get woke go broke crowd still pumping crap out years after DAI came out and over a year after MEA.
I don't think BioWares messaging can be totally clear, but I think it's only hard to follow for casual fans. Also, they kind of have to do this. As I said in another post, the gaming landscape has changed. These people need jobs. EA might not be perfect, but they are also the only reason we are here discussing future BioWare games.
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Post by Beerfish on Sept 5, 2018 3:31:10 GMT
I liked the marketing in the past of a decent flow of little info over the years to keep one engaged. The last few titles have been nothing at all for 3 or 4 years and them BLAM everything revealed in the last 4 months. For this reason i have barely follow anthem as compared to other bioware games.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 5, 2018 4:44:54 GMT
Most of that stuff sounds good to me be save the BG top down POV, which I probably despise in the same way you dislike the Anthem shooter style. I actually do not hate romances, what I hate is the fanbase obsession and the demand that takes more and more away from all those other elements you speak of. It's apparently not good enough to have romances that are playersexual (an actually intelligent usage of limited resources) nope we have to have every taste and orientation accounted for rather than people just roleplaying that they lean a given way (which I think is nothing more than certain people needing their life choices validated). I would also like to point out that we the fanbase share some blame since the cost to create these games are substantially more yet people balk at dropping 60$ (a mere 10$ increase from almost a decade ago). I would also hazard a guess that RPG's are comparably more expensive to make with generally weaker sales. Now personally I would drop 100$ for a game like you describe, but I'm doubtful enough others would be. Hence Bioware's foray into a (potentially) more profitable market. Top down was probably necessary due to the strategic combat. Strategy games are almost always top down for a reason. Sales of RPGs aren't worse. BG2 sold ... 2 million when it was released? Also the price of games haven't increased, with inflation it's gone down. Also I, as part of the fanbase, aren't one of the problems, as I don't care about top graphics or voiceovers, big moneysinks. And others in the Bioware community feel the same. But the nature of AAA gaming means appealing to the widest possible number of customers, which means ramping up graphics regardless. To me, Pillars of Eternity looks absolutely gorgeous and blows me out of the water, and it would cost far less than detailing the graphics in Anthem. Bioware has become AAA, which means meeting the demands of many different consumers, an increasing number of consumers, chasing increasing profits and sales figures, and that's the moneysink. I'd be fine with AA games costing the same as they are and AAA games having an increase. The problem is like you said people had their daggers out for BioWare the moment a game is announced. I still see people refer to Andromeda and Inquisition as SJW Propaganda being forced down their throat by EA. I don't think its that the games don't sell, the problem is the games don't sell well enough to cover the amount of money in development costs and make a reasonable profit. If they made a game at the AAA level and everything was in their favor it would need just under three million copies sold (digital only, they own the IP) to cover development and advertising for most of the costs would be distribution and platform holder costs (so Origin, Microsoft, and Sony costs) at least according to AskAGameDev. So I think the problem is that the standard RPG model that people around here really want BioWare to stick with doesn't have a large enough audience to sustain a third party developer development costs. Now from what I am seeing with Sony they are developing more games into the Single Player experience then others, but my guess is that they are looking more at the benefits of attracting that group to their platform and the additional profits when they sell other games.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 5, 2018 4:46:30 GMT
I liked the marketing in the past of a decent flow of little info over the years to keep one engaged. The last few titles have been nothing at all for 3 or 4 years and them BLAM everything revealed in the last 4 months. For this reason i have barely follow anthem as compared to other bioware games. Isn't that what people are praising when other developers do it? I know people were a little irked about Fallout '76 and not having it right away and I remember with Andromeda people were saying that part of the problem was that BioWare was talking it up for far too long.
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Post by Beerfish on Sept 5, 2018 5:03:14 GMT
I liked the marketing in the past of a decent flow of little info over the years to keep one engaged. The last few titles have been nothing at all for 3 or 4 years and them BLAM everything revealed in the last 4 months. For this reason i have barely follow anthem as compared to other bioware games. Isn't that what people are praising when other developers do it? I know people were a little irked about Fallout '76 and not having it right away and I remember with Andromeda people were saying that part of the problem was that BioWare was talking it up for far too long. Well i am not worried about other people, just saying that i would rather there be a steady slow trickle as in the past than nothing for years and then massive overload at the end. Androida was th same as this almost nothing and then too too much in the last few months.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 5, 2018 5:20:35 GMT
Isn't that what people are praising when other developers do it? I know people were a little irked about Fallout '76 and not having it right away and I remember with Andromeda people were saying that part of the problem was that BioWare was talking it up for far too long. Well i am not worried about other people, just saying that i would rather there be a steady slow trickle as in the past than nothing for years and then massive overload at the end. Androida was th same as this almost nothing and then too too much in the last few months. My guess is to prevent the backlash that happened with Inquisition with the closed door Crestwood demo and other features that were altered by release and how people reacted. I am of the belief that BioWare only shows and talks about content that they are certain will be in the final game. That is why we only saw combat last year at E3 2017 and since they are probably starting to lock down more content for its near the end of the development cycle they know what will be in the game and what won't be so they are starting to show more.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 5, 2018 6:25:01 GMT
The problem is like you said people had their daggers out for BioWare the moment a game is announced. I still see people refer to Andromeda and Inquisition as SJW Propaganda being forced down their throat by EA. Ha. And what was the 'SJW affront in DAI? A gay character in the shape of Dorian and Krem as a minor character? plus not being able to bang Sera? And in MEA, a 'blink and you'll miss them' trans character and again, not being able to bang Suvi. Heck, MEA was rightly criticized for having insufficient m/m romances at the start to even meet an in-game achievement. I know where the 'SJW propagandists' can shove their arguments...
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 5, 2018 6:37:19 GMT
The problem is like you said people had their daggers out for BioWare the moment a game is announced. I still see people refer to Andromeda and Inquisition as SJW Propaganda being forced down their throat by EA. Ha. And what was the 'SJW affront in DAI? A gay character in the shape of Dorian and Krem as a minor character? plus not being able to bang Sera? And in MEA, a 'blink and you'll miss them' trans character and again, not being able to bang Suvi. Heck, MEA was rightly criticized for having insufficient m/m romances at the start to even meet an in-game achievement. I know where the 'SJW propagandists' can shove their arguments... Agreed, but those are the people that are going to go to places like Reddit and spread whatever information they can to try and hurt the game. Like the arguments I saw claiming that the handful of really bad sets of facial animations were representative of the entire game. I believe that the M/M romance was something that needed to be fixed, but some of the attacks again on BioWare because it wasn't fully equal wasn't deserved at the rhetoric level it was given at. Especially when they are one of the few developers that even have romances trying to reach out to being more then a fixed male protagonist with a female character. The best example of the worst level of commenting was like the Ruby Rose situation right now where first she wasn't a Jewish lesbian and couldn't play Batwoman to changing to she isn't lesbian enough for the role.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 5, 2018 6:52:46 GMT
I'm mostly fine with Anthem's messaging. I don't feel like I'm being tricked into believing that it is something it really isn't or anything. The focus is on multiplayer co-op combat, and there will be NPCs to talk to on the Strider and inside Fort Tarsis, and that's fine with me. Any big single player story moments are a bonus to me, not the central aspect of the game.
What I would really like to see is this:
- at least a few minutes of uncut combat at the game's average level of challenge (i.e. no overleveled Javelins etc) - a glance at the Javelin modification options - and, because personal pet peeve with MEMP, a close look at consumables (will guns be pea shooters again without them? will they infest the loot pool?)
I'll continue to keep an eye on it. Currently leaning towards "no preorder, wait for release and player reception".
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Post by sgtreed24 on Sept 5, 2018 12:30:18 GMT
The problem is like you said people had their daggers out for BioWare the moment a game is announced. I still see people refer to Andromeda and Inquisition as SJW Propaganda being forced down their throat by EA. Ha. And what was the 'SJW affront in DAI? A gay character in the shape of Dorian and Krem as a minor character? plus not being able to bang Sera? And in MEA, a 'blink and you'll miss them' trans character and again, not being able to bang Suvi. Heck, MEA was rightly criticized for having insufficient m/m romances at the start to even meet an in-game achievement. I know where the 'SJW propagandists' can shove their arguments... I thought the big thing that people were SJWing about or whatever was that Bioware was being too SJW themselves with not really having it possible to make a white character in the CC in vanilla MEA? I guess I missed the m/m thing. I did catch on to all the facial animation hate though. Which, admittedly, was pretty bad lmao
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