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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 6, 2018 1:21:50 GMT
Early DLCs for ME3 - THE END IS NIGH! No DLCS for MEA - THE END IS NIGHER! Steady stream of DLCS for DA/ME next gen: THE END IS NIGHEST! bah. ...Yeah, and the games have gotten progressively worse as time has gone on. Really? For the most part for me they have been getting better and better. DAI is easily my favorite Dragon Age game, and MEA is up there on the Mass Effect game list.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Sept 6, 2018 1:38:43 GMT
Really? For the most part for me they have been getting better and better. DAI is easily my favorite Dragon Age game, and MEA is up there on the Mass Effect game list. DAI, as far as I'm concerned, is Bioware's worst (currently released) game. It's borderline unplayable.
While I liked MEA, it is a deeply flawed game that suffered tremendously from the absurd idea that it had to be an Open World game.
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Post by Felya87 on Sept 6, 2018 8:20:08 GMT
I'm not really confident about their new idea of live service. I mean from what I saw in the Sims 4, they went with a live service with small updates here and there...and it's cool I guess. But the content is much more shallow than what we got in previous game. So more free content: YAY, but content way more streamlined and with less layer....so personaly even with my somewhat short attention spawn and loving new free stuff : I totally lost interest. Don't know what Bioware will do but I fear I might end up missing DLCs, (although they might not completly ditch the DLCs ideas, who knows) and I will loose interest in their live service. And most of that content was either horribly bugged, or stuff that should have been in the base game, like pools and an entire life stage. And lots of stuff is still either worse than in previous games, or game breaking. I've found the sims 4 a huge mess of a game, for one thing it did better tham the previous iterations, at least four are worse. A very sad experience for me, who loved the serie.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Sept 6, 2018 13:19:17 GMT
I'm going to be following production pretty carefully... the potential shit-storm for DA4 could be huge... especially after Andromeda. It almost seems like BW is trying to cut ties with their old fanbase and recruit a new one with Anthem. At least there's still CDPR... Pretty much this. And to be honest I don't even care anymore. Between CDPR, Obsidian, Larian, inXile and many many others I certainly won't have any problem finding new games to play.
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Post by correctamundo on Sept 7, 2018 14:15:58 GMT
Really? For the most part for me they have been getting better and better. DAI is easily my favorite Dragon Age game, and MEA is up there on the Mass Effect game list. DAI, as far as I'm concerned, is Bioware's worst (currently released) game. It's borderline unplayable.
While I liked MEA, it is a deeply flawed game that suffered tremendously from the absurd idea that it had to be an Open World game.
Well, you do you.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 7, 2018 16:19:54 GMT
Early DLCs for ME3 - THE END IS NIGH! No DLCS for MEA - THE END IS NIGHER! Steady stream of DLCS for DA/ME next gen: THE END IS NIGHEST! bah. that just about sums it up I think.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 7, 2018 16:29:18 GMT
...Yeah, and the games have gotten progressively worse as time has gone on. Really? For the most part for me they have been getting better and better. DAI is easily my favorite Dragon Age game, and MEA is up there on the Mass Effect game list. Yeah agreed for me DAI is the best of the DA series although I'm a huge fan of all 3 games and although MEA may not have hit those same heights. But for me it makes for a better starting story point than what ME1 did back on the trilogy.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 7, 2018 16:49:10 GMT
Really? For the most part for me they have been getting better and better. DAI is easily my favorite Dragon Age game, and MEA is up there on the Mass Effect game list. Yeah agreed for me DAI is the best of the DA series although I'm a huge fan of all 3 games and although MEA may not have hit those same heights. But for me it makes for a better starting story point than what ME1 did back on the trilogy. I would say that Dragon Age: Inquisition would be my favorite if I look beyond the open world trappings, for it felt long by the end. I agree comparing Andromeda to Mass Effect 1 Andromeda is slightly higher on my list, but at the same time I think I found the story of Mass Effect 1 tighter for its a short game.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Sept 7, 2018 16:51:18 GMT
I'll wait and see what this means. I think there is a good argument in either direction depending on whether I'm feeling optimistic or pessimistic.
As far as whether the games are getting better or worse, I think it is hard to say. What are the "recent" games - just DAI and MEA? They are taking so long between entries now that it is more difficult to draw trend lines than in the past. I loved DAI for the most part, but did not particularly enjoy MEA. So I guess recent games are a mixed bag for me.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 7, 2018 20:05:02 GMT
Oh god...
What's wrong with a regular RPG and DLC?!
Don't like this at all. But my faith in DA4 being an awesome conclusion to the Dragon Age saga that will answer all questions hasn't been great for a while.
If the future of Bioware is either none if Anthem fails or all future games being like Anthem, I'm not sure what's worse. I'll be out either way.
I'm all for bigger hubs that feel more alive but the biggest problem with Bioware's open worlds are that there is NOTHING interesting outside that ONE hub. That's terrible game design! You create an interesting map by putting several settlements and points of interest on the map. If their new idea is one hub that sends you out on fetch quests, then they are taking a big step backwards. This is shallow looter shooter design. This may be enough for games like Anthem but I fail to see what adding a few cheap quests now and then adds to my experience.
I'd rather stumble upon an apostate mage in a hut in the wilderness and either kill or help them than being sent out from the hub city to look for a apostate mage in a hut. It's about the element of surprise.
And in any case, I like my games to just be a good story and then END. Crazy!
It CAN work if the hub quests sends you out to a interesting location at least but given Bioware's track record with open world design I don't think this is a good direction. But nothing I've heard lately from Bioware (or Bethesda for that matter) sounds like a good thing to me. I just want to play a simple immersive SP game. Seems to be a very unappealing concept these days...
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 7, 2018 20:29:52 GMT
I really don't understand all the panic that seems to be going around, going by what has been in the games in recent years where BioWare has outright said what is live service model in the ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP. I don't get the jumping to conclusions what it is going beyond those types of systems.
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Post by MediocreOgre on Sept 7, 2018 20:58:07 GMT
i mean we should take people saying that a system from a game that isn’t even out yet being a model for another game that won’t be out for years with a huge grain of salt.... live service is the new jargon but come 2085 when DA4 come out the new thing will probably be fully integrated blood payments.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 7, 2018 21:27:12 GMT
I really don't understand all the panic that seems to be going around, going by what has been in the games in recent years where BioWare has outright said what is live service model in the ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP. I don't get the jumping to conclusions what it is going beyond those types of systems. Because they are specifying ANTHEM'S live service model. Not some theoretical "what live service can mean" They are citing this specific game as a model going forward. And I have seen darn little in Anthem that I want touching any game I'd want to play.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 7, 2018 21:33:09 GMT
I really don't understand all the panic that seems to be going around, going by what has been in the games in recent years where BioWare has outright said what is live service model in the ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP. I don't get the jumping to conclusions what it is going beyond those types of systems. Because they are specifying ANTHEM'S live service model. Not some theoretical "what live service can mean" They are citing this specific game as a model going forward. And I have seen darn little in Anthem that I want touching any game I'd want to play. I haven't seen anything from BioWare talking about what the live service is going to be like in Anthem to generate this level of fear. Just people worrying that EA is going to be like every other publisher.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 7, 2018 21:47:32 GMT
Yeah agreed for me DAI is the best of the DA series although I'm a huge fan of all 3 games and although MEA may not have hit those same heights. But for me it makes for a better starting story point than what ME1 did back on the trilogy. I would say that Dragon Age: Inquisition would be my favorite if I look beyond the open world trappings, for it felt long by the end. I agree comparing Andromeda to Mass Effect 1 Andromeda is slightly higher on my list, but at the same time I think I found the story of Mass Effect 1 tighter for its a short game. <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="5.280000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 23.960000000000036px; height: 5.280000000000001px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_96114904" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="5.280000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 5.28px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_54523423" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="5.280000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 5.28px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 202px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_77921365" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="5.280000000000001" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 5.28px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 202px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_29523623" scrolling="no"></iframe> yeah I can see why some people take issues with the open world but I never minded too much. So long as the story and characters are good generally I'm sold.
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Post by TabithaTH on Sept 8, 2018 10:00:04 GMT
Having just finished MET and started MEA, I can say that I already miss the linearity of the missions of the OT.
Also, no wasted time figuring out how to get out of ditches and up mountainsides in order to get to your destination. As much as I like exploring new places and finding hidden stuff, It becomes extremely frustrating when the mechanics limits your maneuverability. At least in MEA you have a jump jet which kinda helps.
Same feeling I had when I went from DA:O/DA2 to DA:I. I prefered the quests that let me to a “dungeon” and not an entire open area. I felt like I was in the middle of the story and it wasn’t just another side activity. Honestly, I am a bit tired of open worlds. I really found it refreshing with bot MET and DA:O/DA2 that I didn’t have to think about how to get to a mission (wounded coast aside).
Please don’t get me wrong, I very much enjoyed DA:I, but like I said, I’m just a bit tired of the same old gameplay. I’d be fine with them taking the open world concept to a new level.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Sept 10, 2018 19:32:06 GMT
yeah I can see why some people take issues with the open world but I never minded too much. So long as the story and characters are good generally I'm sold. For me, the story is largely unimportant. I want a world and a ruleset and some background events to which to react (basically what you'd call a story, but without necessarily involving me) and the freedom to play the character I've designed. BioWare used to be really good at this. But since DAO, DAI is the only vaguely adequate game they've made. DA2 and the MET were travesties of railroading and linearity.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Sept 12, 2018 0:24:20 GMT
I'm going to be following production pretty carefully... the potential shit-storm for DA4 could be huge... especially after Andromeda. It almost seems like BW is trying to cut ties with their old fanbase and recruit a new one with Anthem. At least there's still CDPR... Pretty much this. And to be honest I don't even care anymore. Between CDPR, Obsidian, Larian, inXile and many many others I certainly won't have any problem finding new games to play. I have to say that it is encouraging that some of these other studios are offering some of the gaming experiences I enjoy. Divinity Original Sin and Pillars of Eternity have the best character customization and freedom of the titles I play since my favorite Bioware entry, Dragon Age Origins. However, I still care about some of Bioware's legacy. With some of the amazing experiences Bioware has provided, I would hope that, if the worst were to come, Dragon Age could end with a bang, not a whimper.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Sept 12, 2018 16:54:25 GMT
However, I still care about some of Bioware's legacy. With some of the amazing experiences Bioware has provided, I would hope that, if the worst were to come, Dragon Age could end with a bang, not a whimper. It depends on how much of that Bioware has survived up to now and how much of its soul has been retained.
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Post by warden on Sept 12, 2018 17:32:55 GMT
However, I still care about some of Bioware's legacy. With some of the amazing experiences Bioware has provided, I would hope that, if the worst were to come, Dragon Age could end with a bang, not a whimper. It depends on how much of that Bioware has survived up to now and how much of its soul has been retained. none.
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Post by Realguile on Sept 17, 2018 20:51:57 GMT
If it's in the mold of Monster Hunter World where new events are added based on in game lore like dressing up in the holidays or new rare enemies that show up in the changing seasons or even crossover content like the final fantasy one it'd be cool to see. If it's MMO paywall trash then no. To me monster Hunter World is how you do a 'live service' to retain players long after the game is released. I hope they follow this model.
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Post by bizantura on Sept 18, 2018 13:52:40 GMT
Bioware from my standpoint seems "EA"tified. EA seems allergic to real deep storytelling probably because of costs. Honestly, I think lots of people like online looting and shooting without much relevant packaged story around the product.
EA's primary worry seems to be nothing else than maximizing profits thru loot boxes and abandoning the game if they can't get their way what they seem to be doing with Battlefront 2.
In practise I am having trouble seeing people in such an enviroment being creativity in a cultural sense but only in the more money making sense which isn't the same. From that perspective I am curious what Anthem will cook up after the Battlefront debacle.
I don't expect anything from Bioware on the Mass Effect or Dragon age front. Not because they don't care but because they can't there hands tied to money making and nothing much else. With Mass Effect I can't say I care, it ended with ME3 and that is a very well rouded up story. I would have liked a gracefull ending after DAI and for all I care from there on Bioware can do what they like. DAI left to much story threads unending but I don't think it will get a proper and decent resolve to those unended treads. Anyways, I am not expecting much from DA4.
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Post by SomberXIII on Sept 18, 2018 17:34:27 GMT
Early DLCs for ME3 - THE END IS NIGH! No DLCS for MEA - THE END IS NIGHER! Steady stream of DLCS for DA/ME next gen: THE END IS NIGHEST! bah. Nailed it.
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Post by bzombo on Sept 23, 2018 19:48:50 GMT
I guess bottom line is as long as the main single player story isn't harmed, then fine. I'm just hesitant because of how corporate the explanation was.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 24, 2018 17:01:19 GMT
If it's in the mold of Monster Hunter World where new events are added based on in game lore like dressing up in the holidays or new rare enemies that show up in the changing seasons or even crossover content like the final fantasy one it'd be cool to see. If it's MMO paywall trash then no. To me monster Hunter World is how you do a 'live service' to retain players long after the game is released. I hope they follow this model. I do like the idea of seasonal & special events like in MH:W, but hopefully not turning DA into a loot grind game (more than it already is...).
The HR loot grind in MH:W is what soured me on what was otherwise a great game.
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