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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 25, 2018 18:05:48 GMT
I guess bottom line is as long as the main single player story isn't harmed, then fine. I'm just hesitant because of how corporate the explanation was. Pretty much this. My baseline requirement is being able to get into a game that isn't rendered unplayable when PSN is down. If this "live" service basically involves rotating NPC's and ambient dialogue affected by online shenanigans, then that's cool, and I can ignore it. I just need a story I can access whenever and interesting NPC's to keep me busy.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 26, 2018 18:09:02 GMT
I guess bottom line is as long as the main single player story isn't harmed, then fine. I'm just hesitant because of how corporate the explanation was. How about a single player game that can be played offline?
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 26, 2018 19:58:56 GMT
I guess bottom line is as long as the main single player story isn't harmed, then fine. I'm just hesitant because of how corporate the explanation was. How about a single player game that can be played offline? On this topic I concur a lot of us. some of us or just me we have spotty internet at best so alienate me and i'm looking else ware for my gaming. sorry but live (have to be online) live service not going to happen here
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Post by Elfen Lied on Oct 2, 2018 15:26:52 GMT
I guess bottom line is as long as the main single player story isn't harmed, then fine. I'm just hesitant because of how corporate the explanation was. How about a single player game that can be played offline and where there isn't any SP content tied to MP/ONLINE content?
Fixed. Yes, I am still thinking about the infamous 5000 EMS point for ME3 red ending (pre-DLC) and how they denied that it wasn't impossible to get without playing MP, even after many people had proved them wrong.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 2, 2018 15:34:27 GMT
How about a single player game that can be played offline and where there isn't any SP content tied to MP/ONLINE content?
Fixed. Yes, I am still thinking about the infamous 5000 EMS point for ME3 red ending (pre-DLC) and how they denied that it wasn't impossible to get without playing MP, even after many people had proved them wrong. I called that months before release. I was laughed at.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Oct 2, 2018 15:50:41 GMT
Fixed. Yes, I am still thinking about the infamous 5000 EMS point for ME3 red ending (pre-DLC) and how they denied that it wasn't impossible to get without playing MP, even after many people had proved them wrong. I called that months before release. I was laughed at. I don't know which was worse, if their denial or the ravid fanboys jumping in and claiming that it was possible to get and that they managed to do it, when it was clearly impossible and when no one was ever able to prove it, when asked.
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Post by TabithaTH on Oct 2, 2018 17:14:16 GMT
I only finished ME3 a couple of weeks ago, so I always had the EC installed. I was still enraged when I found out that they had done something like that. I normally don’t care about controversies like this, but this one really made me angry. I didn’t mind the fact that MP made it easier to get the target EMS, but to make one of the endings completely dependant on MP participation? That is the stupidest idea I have ever heard. At least they made the EC free.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 2, 2018 18:37:24 GMT
FWIW, dev statements after ME3 launched were so completely incoherent that it looks like those EMS requirements, if they weren't an outright bug, were something that was never actually discussed at Bio.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Oct 2, 2018 19:23:28 GMT
FWIW, dev statements after ME3 launched were so completely incoherent that it looks like those EMS requirements, if they weren't an outright bug, were something that was never actually discussed at Bio. That probably happened because: - they couldn't openly admit that there was an ending which was MP-dependant after they had sworn for years that it wouldn't happen. I personally think that if they had admitted that it was a mistake and apologized for that many players would forgive them a little. The question about *HOW* such a thing could actually happen would remain, tho. But they rather decided to hide behind a vague "It's possible!" without showing people how, and after that they didn't even bother discussing it anymore. Which imho has been the worst PR decision ever. - they were already dealing with the ending's shitstorm - they were confident that with the incoming DLCs providing the missing EMS many players wouldn't even remember that the vanilla game had this problem. Moreover, many players who bought the game later weren't even aware that there was this problem. Nevertheless, there are people who never forgot and are still angry for that.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 2, 2018 20:16:52 GMT
FWIW, dev statements after ME3 launched were so completely incoherent that it looks like those EMS requirements, if they weren't an outright bug, were something that was never actually discussed at Bio. That probably happened because: - they couldn't openly admit that there was an ending which was MP-dependant after they had sworn for years that it wouldn't happen. I personally think that if they had admitted that it was a mistake and apologized for that many players would forgive them a little. The question about *HOW* such a thing could actually happen would remain, tho. But they rather decided to hide behind a vague "It's possible!" without showing people how, and after that they didn't even bother discussing it anymore. Which imho has been the worst PR decision ever. - they were already dealing with the ending's shitstorm - they were confident that with the incoming DLCs providing the missing EMS many players wouldn't even remember that the vanilla game had this problem. Moreover, many players who bought the game later weren't even aware that there was this problem. Nevertheless, there are people who never forgot and are still angry for that. If they are still angry about that that says more about them then BioWare. It was a major screwup if it was intentional, but to hold a grudge about something they altered years ago just seems strange especially with other problems that are currently part of gaming and not just problems at EA.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Oct 3, 2018 9:51:34 GMT
What problems? I am quite happy about the current state of gaming industry: my backlog is full of games to play, and so is my wishlist.
And I don't see how this could change in the future.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 3, 2018 11:06:09 GMT
How about a single player game that can be played offline and where there isn't any SP content tied to MP/ONLINE content?
Fixed. Yes, I am still thinking about the infamous 5000 EMS point for ME3 red ending (pre-DLC) and how they denied that it wasn't impossible to get without playing MP, even after many people had proved them wrong. Remember 5000 was needed if TIM shoots Anderson. 4000 was needed if Anderson isn't shot by TIM. Even the 4000 was not reachable without playing multiplayer or having the IOS app, if the player owns the device.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 3, 2018 11:17:37 GMT
If they are still angry about that that says more about them then BioWare. It was a major screwup if it was intentional, but to hold a grudge about something they altered years ago just seems strange especially with other problems that are currently part of gaming and not just problems at EA. I say it was intentional. Look at the flashbacks before the cut was released. Why is that only Williams, Alenko, t'soni the only ones to show up in the third flashback, if romanced, but not any of the other LI's? And if those three were not romanced, it was always the asari. Why? How much time would it have taken to add the other LI's in the flashback?
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 3, 2018 12:35:59 GMT
If they are still angry about that that says more about them then BioWare. It was a major screwup if it was intentional, but to hold a grudge about something they altered years ago just seems strange especially with other problems that are currently part of gaming and not just problems at EA. I say it was intentional. Look at the flashbacks before the cut was released. Why is that only Williams, Alenko, t'soni the only ones to show up in the third flashback, if romanced, but not any of the other LI's? And if those three were not romanced, it was always the asari. Why? How much time would it have taken to add the other LI's in the flashback? It depends on how much time it would have taken. I don't know anything about game development so I don't think I am qualified to answer about how much time it would have taken, but I do remember there being a discussion about how long it takes to animate character actions and dialogue sequences with Andromeda so it could have been they ran out of development time or something more pressing needed to finished by the animators and that is all that got done.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 3, 2018 12:37:38 GMT
What problems? I am quite happy about the current state of gaming industry: my backlog is full of games to play, and so is my wishlist.
And I don't see how this could change in the future.
Studio closures, lootboxes, microtransactions, treatment of developers.
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Post by TabithaTH on Oct 3, 2018 13:06:58 GMT
Remember 5000 was needed if TIM shoots Anderson. 4000 was needed if Anderson isn't shot by TIM. Even the 4000 was not reachable without playing multiplayer or having the IOS app, if the player owns the device. To make matters worse, the app is no longer available and as far as I’ve been told the MP base isn’t that large (Though I have never tried MP myself, so I can not know for sure). Even if people are still playing the MP, they still made a gamle that could affect all players who (like I) didn’t play the games until way after the original release. In theory their decision could have rendered a high EMS ending impossible by now, had it not been for the EC. It depends on how much time it would have taken. I don't know anything about game development so I don't think I am qualified to answer about how much time it would have taken, but I do remember there being a discussion about how long it takes to animate character actions and dialogue sequences with Andromeda so it could have been they ran out of development time or something more pressing needed to finished by the animators and that is all that got done. They could literally have reused any shot of the characters and added a filter to it. In fact, I’d be surprised if that isn’t what they did in the EC, since, as you say, making new animations are costly.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 3, 2018 13:49:33 GMT
]It depends on how much time it would have taken. I don't know anything about game development so I don't think I am qualified to answer about how much time it would have taken, but I do remember there being a discussion about how long it takes to animate character actions and dialogue sequences with Andromeda so it could have been they ran out of development time or something more pressing needed to finished by the animators and that is all that got done. They sure spent the time and money to have Williams, Alenko, t'soni in those slides since they had to have been made. Like the poster above mentioned. Use an animation of a character from the game. No need to make a new one. To make matters worse, the app is no longer available and as far as I’ve been told the MP base isn’t that large (Though I have never tried MP myself, so I can not know for sure). Even if people are still playing the MP, they still made a gamle that could affect all players who (like I) didn’t play the games until way after the original release. In theory their decision could have rendered a high EMS ending impossible by now, had it not been for the EC. You do know that a default ME3 playthrough, without playing multiplayer and not playing any dlc, will not get the breath scene unless the player chooses to not have TIM shoot Anderson. That's because Anderson gives 200 war assets. The most the player can get is about 2970 ems. So next time you play ME3, head to Earth with about 2900 ems and don't have TIM shoot Anderson. You will get the breath scene. If you decide to let TIM shoot Anderson, plan on playing a dlc or multiplayer to make up the difference. I would suggest Leviathan or Omega since they give more ems than Ashes and Citadel.
Anyways. This is getting away from dragon age. Go next DA game Go
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Post by Elfen Lied on Oct 3, 2018 15:01:04 GMT
What problems? I am quite happy about the current state of gaming industry: my backlog is full of games to play, and so is my wishlist.
And I don't see how this could change in the future.
Studio closures, lootboxes, microtransactions, treatment of developers.
The 2nd and 3rd are related to AAA games market, about which (with the only exception of CDPR) I don't really care anymore, considering the shift it took in the last few years.
The 1st one's always happened and it always will. Companies will close and new companies will be born, not only in gaming industry.
The last one is quite a disturbing matter indeed, but I cannot see it related to gaming industry only. Death treaths and online abuses are a thing that many people from various industries must face: many manga artists and anime creators are facing it every day, for example. Novelists as well. In every fandom there will always be overzealous people and psychologically unstable persons.
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Post by TabithaTH on Oct 3, 2018 17:21:56 GMT
You do know that a default ME3 playthrough, without playing multiplayer and not playing any dlc, will not get the breath scene unless the player chooses to not have TIM shoot Anderson. That's because Anderson gives 200 war assets. The most the player can get is about 2970 ems. So next time you play ME3, head to Earth with about 2900 ems and don't have TIM shoot Anderson. You will get the breath scene. If you decide to let TIM shoot Anderson, plan on playing a dlc or multiplayer to make up the difference. I would suggest Leviathan or Omega since they give more ems than Ashes and Citadel. Anyways. This is getting away from dragon age. Go next DA game Go That was exactly my point. Without the EC, part of the gaming experience was directly dependent on the App (which no longer is available) and the MP (which could easily die out). Thus you could potentially end up in a situation were part of the story was impossible to reach. At any rate. I just really hope they do not do the same thing with DA4. I did not participate in MP in MEA and therefore can’t talk about the game experience. I will however say that I was ok with the way it was Integrated into the SP part of the game. I could easily see something similar being made for DA4, considering DA:I had the wartable missions. It all depends on whether they want to make the missions dependent on a specific crew, or give you the opportunity to choose who gets to go. Either way, I see it tieing in nicely with the Live service they are talking about. (Though any MP content might take resources away from any potential SP content).
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Post by bzombo on Oct 8, 2018 13:09:11 GMT
I guess bottom line is as long as the main single player story isn't harmed, then fine. I'm just hesitant because of how corporate the explanation was. How about a single player game that can be played offline? That would be nice. I hope it is similar to how Inquisition worked. If you go offline, you can still play. No need for always online.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 10, 2018 11:45:10 GMT
How about a single player game that can be played offline? That would be nice. I hope it is similar to how Inquisition worked. If you go offline, you can still play. No need for always online. Because I have the game-of-the-year edition, I have to be connected for the game to start. Once I start playing, I don't have to be connected.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 10, 2018 12:36:00 GMT
Even if they provide all this extra content at no additional cost to me, I do not want to play a game that never ends, anymore than I would want a book that never ends, or a film that never ends. Completion of a compelling narrative is what I derive my enjoyment from.
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