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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2018 19:27:00 GMT
So again, she only betrays him once she realizes it will personally affect her. Screw everyone else, only her life matters. This is wilfully ignoring the quotation I made for her above. It quite clearly isn't herself the does it for but the realisation that if he would misuse her he would misuse all those other people she thought they were helping. Where does it state she doesn't know any of this? There is no evidence for her being unaware, yet evidence that she was. Well I think it is clear in the Dark Future that Alexius wasn't aware of the extent of what Corypheus intended. His motives were also entirely selfish. Why did he think that this Elder One could help his son when nothing else had been able to? Even if he did, what future was there for Felix in such a world. Did Florianne appreciate everything that Corypheus planned to do? Surely you would have to be very stupid to think unleashing an army of demons on the face of Thedas was going to leave you anything to rule over. Even allowing for the fact that they were being led by a demon masquerading as Lucius, would Templars really have agreed to serving an ancient Tevinter Magister, or unleashing an army of demons? The fact that if you choose one path over the other you only get to confront one of the main lieutenants, does suggest that each was being kept in the dark about what the others were doing. That is the problem with Corypheus' allies. If they knew what he planned in its entirety what could have possessed them to keep following him? Samson can probably be explained by not really caring any more and Erimond was a true fanatic but as for the rest, it makes little sense for them to do so. So really the only explanation is that they were being kept informed on a "need to know" basis. Remember it seemed apparent even from the listening crystal that Calpernia wasn't entirely comfortable, so may be she was hearing things but initially thought they couldn't be true. She must have realised he was hiding something because she wasn't allow access to the Temple of Dumat where her former master was trapped. Either that, or she didn't know about it at all. In which case he was keeping things from her. As for the mage slave army, technically it was indentured servitude, the same as Hawke undertook for the first year in Kirkwall. If they were really unhappy, then they had the option of walking away from the deal, although that would have left them at the mercy of their enemies. It was a quid pro quo situation, which is not the same as slavery where you have no choice. No, I read the quote. But as I said before, I have no reason to believe a word she says and the same rhetoric has been said by faithful followers of various tyrants once they realized they were on the losing side so said those things as an attempt to save their own necks. Hate to invoke Godwin's Law, but look at things like the Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials who suddenly said they didn't know, only did it for their nation, and wouldn't have followed if they did despite there being evidence that they did know yet followed anyway. So you are saying Calpernia wasn't entirely comfortable with what was happening? In that case thank you for making my case since if she was showing feelings like that or guilt yet continued to follow Corypheyus then that erodes any defense since she felt it was wrong but who cared if it achieved her goal. For a former slave, she would not draw that distinction. And they didn't have a choice really when it was "be our slaves" or death. She would know that at the very least, which means that once again she didn't care about anyone but herself and her goal. Everything and everyone else was expendable for it, even the people she was supposedly trying to save.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Sept 19, 2018 19:34:10 GMT
Where does it state she doesn't know any of this? There is no evidence for her being unaware, yet evidence that she was. The Venatori are working in Cells. Calpernia is formal Leader of the Venatori because Corypheus appointed her but these Cells don´t tell Calpernia everything. For example the Venatori in the Hissing Wastes. She knew that the Venatori had a significant presence there but she didn´t knew that they were using slave labor. If she had any Knowledge of this she likely had punished them and free the Slaves.
I also have the impression that Alexius had worked alone and only report to Corypheus. But he failed therefore he was replaced with Calpernia who led the Haven Attack. Yeah the Haven Attack i don´t see anything Wrong with that for Calpernias Part. Thats War. She led an Attack against an Enemy Amy.
And for the Crimes that the Red Templars did she wasn´t responsible. I double that she had a big insight in their operations. Calpernia had disapproved their Action in Emprise du Lion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2018 19:40:44 GMT
Where does it state she doesn't know any of this? There is no evidence for her being unaware, yet evidence that she was. The Venatori are working in Cells. Calpernia is formal Leader of the Venatori because Corypheus appointed her but these Cells don´t tell Calpernia everything. For example the Venatori in the Hissing Wastes. She knew that the Venatori had a significant presence there but she didn´t knew that they were using slave labor. If she had any Knowledge of this she likely had punished them and free the Slaves.
I also have the impression that Alexius had worked alone and only report to Corypheus. But he failed therefore he was replaced with Calpernia who led the Haven Attack. Yeah the Haven Attack i don´t see anything Wrong with that for Calpernias Part. Thats War. She led an Attack against an Enemy Amy.
And for the Crimes that the Red Templars did she wasn´t responsible. I double that she had a big insight in their operations. Calpernia had disapproved their Action in Emprise du Lion.
Do you have sources for any of this, or are you just pulling it out of thin air to defend your waifu?
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Sept 19, 2018 20:06:21 GMT
Do you have sources for any of this, or are you just pulling it out of thin air to defend your waifu? I had played her quest in DAI and i also read her Short Story.
Its more than obvious that Calpernia didn´t support Slavery. She spend a lot of money to buy Slaves. But she didn´t want to own them. She freed them. She also threated them well.
Therefore it made no sense if she tolerated the Operations in Hissing Wastes or in Emprise du Lion if she had Knowledge of them. Thats clearly against her Character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 20, 2018 2:15:31 GMT
Do you have sources for any of this, or are you just pulling it out of thin air to defend your waifu? I had played her quest in DAI and i also read her Short Story.
Its more than obvious that Calpernia didn´t support Slavery. She spend a lot of money to buy Slaves. But she didn´t want to own them. She freed them. She also threated them well.
Therefore it made no sense if she tolerated the Operations in Hissing Wastes or in Emprise du Lion if she had Knowledge of them. Thats clearly against her Character.
So you don't have any sources where it is shown she was unaware of those things. Thought not. I've played her quest and read her short story too. Sure, she doesn't like slavery, I never debated that point, but that doesn't mean that she was unaware of what the Venatori did including slaves. To use a real world example, several Founding Fathers didn't support slavery and would have liked nothing more than to bring it down. But to have power back then you had to be a landowner which involved owning slaves so they did since they thought overall they could do more good in power than free their slaves. And they are hardly alone in using methods one despises in order to get into a position to get rid of said method. We even see that in DAI with for example Gaspard, who hates The Grand Game but will play it in order to get the throne. For Calpernia, she wants Corypheus to succeed since she thinks that will let her succeed so she will support what he wants in order to do so.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 20, 2018 4:04:37 GMT
To use a real world example, several Founding Fathers didn't support slavery and would have liked nothing more than to bring it down. But to have power back then you had to be a landowner which involved owning slaves so they did since they thought overall they could do more good in power than free their slaves. Their position would be more similar to Dorian or Mae. There’s a huge difference between being opposed to slavery in a vague, abstract sort of way, and being opposed to slavery because you actually suffered from it. While it’s possible (and sometimes necessary) for people unaffected by an issue to get really fired up about solving it, it’s silly to expect that their level of passion would in general be comparable. At the end of the day, they always have the option to go home, switch everything off, and stop thinking about the problem. If you’re actually from a marginalized group, that fucking problem follows you around even when you’re utterly exhausted of thinking about it. It’s with you when you wake up. It’s with you at work. It’s with you on the street. You can try to stop thinking about it, but that doesn’t stop it from reinserting itself into your life, like a cursed whack-a-mole. Calpernia has lived experience with the thing she’s fighting. That doesn’t guarantee that her convictions will be stronger, but it sure makes it more likely that they are.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 20, 2018 4:19:15 GMT
To use a real world example, several Founding Fathers didn't support slavery and would have liked nothing more than to bring it down. But to have power back then you had to be a landowner which involved owning slaves so they did since they thought overall they could do more good in power than free their slaves. Their position would be more similar to Dorian or Mae. There’s a huge difference between being opposed to slavery in a vague, abstract sort of way, and being opposed to slavery because you actually suffered from it. While it’s possible (and sometimes necessary) for people unaffected by an issue to get really fired up about solving it, it’s silly to expect that their level of passion would in general be comparable. At the end of the day, they always have the option to go home, switch everything off, and stop thinking about the problem. If you’re actually from a marginalized group, that fucking problem follows you around even when you’re utterly exhausted of thinking about it. It’s with you when you wake up. It’s with you at work. It’s with you on the street. You can try to stop thinking about it, but that doesn’t stop it from reinserting itself into your life, like a cursed whack-a-mole. Calpernia has lived experience with the thing she’s fighting. That doesn’t guarantee that her convictions will be stronger, but it sure makes it more likely that they are. I know there are differences. I just used that because I figured that would be an example of the general point that everyone would know.
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Post by wright1978 on Sept 20, 2018 7:57:12 GMT
I'm not opposed to her being a companion. Given her history you would hope she would be optional. Bonus points if you can hand her over to the Imperium.
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Post by Wulfram on Sept 20, 2018 12:30:33 GMT
Calpernia is too powerful and highly ranked to be a sensible companion IMO, unless its right towards the end or we have a returning protagonist.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 20, 2018 12:50:48 GMT
Their position would be more similar to Dorian or Mae. There’s a huge difference between being opposed to slavery in a vague, abstract sort of way, and being opposed to slavery because you actually suffered from it. While it’s possible (and sometimes necessary) for people unaffected by an issue to get really fired up about solving it, it’s silly to expect that their level of passion would in general be comparable. At the end of the day, they always have the option to go home, switch everything off, and stop thinking about the problem. If you’re actually from a marginalized group, that fucking problem follows you around even when you’re utterly exhausted of thinking about it. It’s with you when you wake up. It’s with you at work. It’s with you on the street. You can try to stop thinking about it, but that doesn’t stop it from reinserting itself into your life, like a cursed whack-a-mole. Calpernia has lived experience with the thing she’s fighting. That doesn’t guarantee that her convictions will be stronger, but it sure makes it more likely that they are. I know there are differences. I just used that because I figured that would be an example of the general point that everyone would know. Yeah, but in this case the differences are relevant to the matter at hand. The Founders who owned slaves sacrificed their principles because of their privileged position. At the end of the day, they were just tourists in this matter. They didn’t really have those convictions in a meaningful way, so when it came down to a matter of their own comfort vs. those principles, comfort was always going to win. Calpernia isn’t trying to free slaves to win morality points with other people. She’s doing it because she knows it actually matters. That level of conviction is much less likely to purposely turn a blind eye to slavers within her ranks. What’s the point of paying a bunch of money to free current slaves, if your own people are just adding more new ones? It doesn’t even make economic sense — stopping your own people would result in way more freed slaves for less money. That’s why it seems unlikely she knew about the situation in the Hissing Wastes.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Sept 20, 2018 16:44:08 GMT
What do you mean by the part with Leliana? In all my playthroughs she doesn't need to do those things to get her reforms in. You only get a softened Leliana if you interfere early on at Haven in the episode with the rogue agent. It makes it very difficult to role play your character properly and I would suggest that most people only get softened Leliana through meta-gaming. I didn't even realise it was possible to get her any different until I read it on the boards. When that incident occurs you have not been in the Inquisition long and whilst you are being seen as the Herald by some people, something you can strenuously deny, I doubt Leliana is convinced of this title. At this time you are not the leader of the organisation. So my natural reaction was to watch how Leliana went about her business. It wasn't my place to interfere one way or the other and besides, why would she listen to me if I did? However, just observing is treated the same as encouraging her to kill the agent and so no matter what you do in the future, her course is set on being hardened. What makes it even more frustrating is that on her personal quest, when you are now the leader of the Inquisition, you can order her not to kill the sister but she simply ignores you and does so. So really, given the very specific way you have to act in order to get a softened Leliana, it seems far more likely you are going to get a hardened Divine and that is her default character. So much this. The only time I could see the Inquisitor preventing the first incident is if a “saintly” goody-two-shoes type character is being roleplayed. It makes my Warden sad, but I just picture Leliana getting her rough edges massaged out again by her lady-love.
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Post by theascendent on Sept 20, 2018 17:02:08 GMT
Her fate was left intentionally ambiguous and her short story, cameo in the Mage killer comic, leave her plenty of room to develop. It will be interesting see how she leads the Venatori remnants in the more chaotic Tevinter, dealing with Solas and the Qunari. She probably has plenty of useful information she acquired from Corypheus and while she is a bit evil (this is Dragon Age, who isn't) she's a passionate patriot who legitimately wanted to help her homeland and it's more vulnerable citizens.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Sept 20, 2018 20:02:30 GMT
So you don't have any sources where it is shown she was unaware of those things. Thought not. I've played her quest and read her short story too. Sure, she doesn't like slavery, I never debated that point, but that doesn't mean that she was unaware of what the Venatori did including slaves. Vicinius need i say more? Vicinius was a Venatori Ally and Slaver but Calpernia killed him in a merciless way. Becaude he dared to mistreat the Slaves. Therefore it is nearly impossible that Calpernia would had tolerated the Hissing Wastes Operations if she had any Knowledge of the Slavery. It also made zero sense while spending so much Money for freeing them. Highly ranked? Calpernia and the small Remains of Venatori are beaten Enemies. Also which purpose did the Venatori have without Corypheus?
Calpernia is more a Pariah than a Leader. Therefore she could fit the DA 4 Companion Role.
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 22, 2018 18:17:44 GMT
If Dragon Age 4 has a similar party makeup to Inquisition (9 Companions, 3 of each class), that will likely leave one slot* for a human mage. If said mage is also from Tevinter, right now the most likely candidates are a returning Dorian, Maevaris or Calpernia. And then there is DAO which has two female human mages. Maevaris is the Wynne character while Calpernia more is the Morrigan type.
I agree that Maevaris is a likely companion but i see a big difference between her and Calpernia.
Mae like Dorian is moderate Reformer who fights the Corruption but didn´t want to whole System to the Ground. Mae and Dorian are fine with current Slavery in Tevinter. Calpernia is the radical reformer who wants to free all the Slaves. Yes, Origins had two human female mages, but every Dragon Age game since then has went for more diverse Companion lineups. Yes, Maevaris and Calpernia have different backstories, stations and philosophies, but in the end they are both still two white, human female Tevinter mages who want to redeem their homeland. Having both as Companions means one less slot to explore the culture and personalities of a Rivani Seer, an Avvar Shaman, a Mortalitasi Priest, a tal-vashoth saarebas, a Titan touched Dwarf, an ancient elf who actually acknowledges that they were from Arlathan, or any number of other possibilities.
Also, again whether you believe it is to truly progressive or simply token virtue signaling, the Bioware writers have expressed their desire to more inclusive, both from creative and talent standpoints. Maevaris (especially if they get an actual trans actress for her, as Patrick Weekes seems interested in) goes a lot further toward fulfilling that goal than Calpernia.
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 22, 2018 19:45:00 GMT
So you don't have any sources where it is shown she was unaware of those things. Thought not. I've played her quest and read her short story too. Sure, she doesn't like slavery, I never debated that point, but that doesn't mean that she was unaware of what the Venatori did including slaves. Vicinius need i say more? Vicinius was a Venatori Ally and Slaver but Calpernia killed him in a merciless way. Becaude he dared to mistreat the Slaves. Therefore it is nearly impossible that Calpernia would had tolerated the Hissing Wastes Operations if she had any Knowledge of the Slavery. It also made zero sense while spending so much Money for freeing them. Highly ranked? Calpernia and the small Remains of Venatori are beaten Enemies. Also which purpose did the Venatori have without Corypheus?
Calpernia is more a Pariah than a Leader. Therefore she could fit the DA 4 Companion Role.
Hate to break it to you guys, but you're likely wasting your time. Character backstories and beliefs, personal development, context and exploration of thematic archetypes, none of that seems to matter to Hanako. Calpernia, Loghain, Anders, Solas, Blackwall, Jack, not even grey characters like Iron Bull or Sera are worth saving. You are either a hero or villain, and you always have been and always will be only one or the other, with nothing in between.
Hanako, in the past you've denied this as an oversimplification, but I can't recall you ever giving specific examples to the contrary. Prove me wrong; who exactly, do you consider worthy of redemption? Why those characters and no one else, and under what circumstances? If not, why exactly are so against villains and/or antiheroes atoning and becoming better people?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 22, 2018 22:24:36 GMT
So you don't have any sources where it is shown she was unaware of those things. Thought not. I've played her quest and read her short story too. Sure, she doesn't like slavery, I never debated that point, but that doesn't mean that she was unaware of what the Venatori did including slaves. Vicinius need i say more? Vicinius was a Venatori Ally and Slaver but Calpernia killed him in a merciless way. Becaude he dared to mistreat the Slaves. Therefore it is nearly impossible that Calpernia would had tolerated the Hissing Wastes Operations if she had any Knowledge of the Slavery. It also made zero sense while spending so much Money for freeing them. Nearly impossible, so you acknowledge there is a possibility. As for why she tolerated one case and not the other, I've discussed that already. She's willing to tolerate that kind of thing since that sacrifice helps serve Corypheus and herself into achieving her goals. Meanwhile Vicinius is not a member of the Venatori and he mistreated slaves was just because he could. It makes sense. Those free educated slaves(notice she didn't buy uneducated slaves so she wasn't just being nice and freeing any slave she could) she used to form a spy network that was extremely loyal to her. Walter Black Back at it with the ad hominems, eh? What kind of examples would you like. I’ve given some before but maybe you didn’t see them.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 24, 2018 22:46:53 GMT
I adore Calpernia and I'd love to have her as a companion.
That's... that's it. That's my whole opinion. 👀
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Post by lilyenachaos on Sept 25, 2018 2:55:28 GMT
And then there is DAO which has two female human mages. Maevaris is the Wynne character while Calpernia more is the Morrigan type.
I agree that Maevaris is a likely companion but i see a big difference between her and Calpernia.
Mae like Dorian is moderate Reformer who fights the Corruption but didn´t want to whole System to the Ground. Mae and Dorian are fine with current Slavery in Tevinter. Calpernia is the radical reformer who wants to free all the Slaves. Yes, Origins had two human female mages, but every Dragon Age game since then has went for more diverse Companion lineups. Yes, Maevaris and Calpernia have different backstories, stations and philosophies, but in the end they are both still two white, human female Tevinter mages who want to redeem their homeland. Having both as Companions means one less slot to explore the culture and personalities of a Rivani Seer, an Avvar Shaman, a Mortalitasi Priest, a tal-vashoth saarebas, a Titan touched Dwarf, an ancient elf who actually acknowledges that they were from Arlathan, or any number of other possibilities.
Also, again whether you believe it is to truly progressive or simply token virtue signaling, the Bioware writers have expressed their desire to more inclusive, both from creative and talent standpoints. Maevaris (especially if they get an actual trans actress for her, as Patrick Weekes seems interested in) goes a lot further toward fulfilling that goal than Calpernia.
I would much rather have Maevaris as a comp/advisor than Calpernia. Also, all of those other options you listed sound much more interesting than Calpernia. You make good points. If we don't see Calpernia again I'm not going to be sad.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Sept 25, 2018 9:00:47 GMT
Yes, Origins had two human female mages, but every Dragon Age game since then has went for more diverse Companion lineups. Yes, Maevaris and Calpernia have different backstories, stations and philosophies, but in the end they are both still two white, human female Tevinter mages who want to redeem their homeland.
That´s a bit to superficial for my taste. In Calpernia it doesn´t really matter that she is a human female. She could theoretical be an Elven Male. Her Race/Gender isn´t her appeal.
Her Backstory makes the big difference. Calpernia was a former Slave who had served as Puppetleader an ancient Monster. DA 4 needs a Companion who will challenge other possible Followers like Maevaris and Calpernia. Also i would be disappointed if DA 4 forced us only into the moderate (Maevaris/Dorians) Solutions for reforming Tevinter. I rather have an Companion who has an interessing personality / Backstory than a boring one just for the sake of having one.
Also its likely that DA 4 have 9 Companion Slots again plus there is the possibility like Advisor.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Sept 25, 2018 11:03:21 GMT
I really don't see any reason we can't have two human female mages in the party. I mean, Origins did it!
That would still leave a mage slot free for an ex-Sarabaas or something. I think Solas was enough ancient Elven mage to be going on with for now - the next ancient elf in the party should be a rogue or something. (I'm thinking of those first groups of hunters you come across in Arbor Wilds.) Not sure a Titan-touched dwarf would be best implemented as a mage, either - there would be too much overlap in skill trees with regular mages if they did it that way. I'd rather see a warrior or rogue with a unique Titan magic tree if they were going down that path.
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Post by wright1978 on Sept 25, 2018 12:02:44 GMT
I'd more prefer to have a companion in favour of the Tevinter Status quo rather than multiple ones with different strains of reformation.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Sept 25, 2018 12:26:53 GMT
I'd more prefer to have a companion in favour of the Tevinter Status quo rather than multiple ones with different strains of reformation. Who said that this Person have to be a Mage? I would find it quite amusing if our obligatory Templar Companion would be a Supporter of the Status Quo. Also there is Archon Radonis. Very likely one of the major NPCs in DA 4.
Do we really need one in the DA 4 Party? I would rather prefer a new female Dalish Warrior like Ariane and male elven Fogwarrior. (In reality the Fogwarriors are more Rogue than Warriors)
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 25, 2018 18:58:04 GMT
Walter Black Back at it with the ad hominems, eh? What kind of examples would you like. I’ve given some before but maybe you didn’t see them. I can only go by what I've read, so no I did not see them. Over the years you have displayed a pattern of opposing redemption for various villains and antiheroes, even characters who show the potential and desire to do so. It's one thing to hold said opinions on such characters yourself, but I do not recall you ever expressing the creativity or desire to roleplay the kind of PC who could help redeem dark characters. And no, I do not consider being fascinated with an anithero/villain's storyline (as you claimed with Solas) the same as thinking they deserve the chance to change.
So who specifically then, throughout your playthroughs have your characters worked to help redeem? Just what about them made worthy in your eyes, where other such characters were not? Just to be clear, people whose redemption arcs you actually enjoyed, as opposed to simply checking out content? Most importantly, people who weren't simply Jerks with Hearts of Gold, but genuinely dark, messed up, and/or evil?
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 25, 2018 20:13:51 GMT
Yes, Origins had two human female mages, but every Dragon Age game since then has went for more diverse Companion lineups. Yes, Maevaris and Calpernia have different backstories, stations and philosophies, but in the end they are both still two white, human female Tevinter mages who want to redeem their homeland.
That´s a bit to superficial for my taste. In Calpernia it doesn´t really matter that she is a human female. She could theoretical be an Elven Male. Her Race/Gender isn´t her appeal.
You just undid your entire premise; if anyone can be a radical revolutionary, then Calpernia herself is irrelevant.
A tal-vashosth (saarebas especially) rebel or former servant of the Evanaris and/or the Dread Wolf could just as easily fit that archetype as well. And the above mentioned possibilities, not to mention Rivani Seers, Avvar Shaman, Mortalitasi, a Titan touched Dwarf or new type of Spirit/Demon couldn't be challenging or interesting ? Agreed.
It's not just that Maevaris and Calpernia are two human female mages, but specifically ones born and raised in Tevinter, and who both revere and want to redeem their homeland. Despite both technically growing up in Fereldan, Wynne and Morrigan had completely different cultural upbringings and attitudes. Even though they have different stations, both Calpernia and Maevaris are Tevinter patriots. Sure, Calpernia favors more violent revolution and upheaval, but to me that just makes her Edgelord Mae . One slot, at expense of so many other diverse and creative possibilities.
Solas' true nature was hidden for most of Inquisition, whereas an Elf Companion whom we knew was from ancient Arlathan from the beginning would be a different dynamic.
Fair enough, I would actually welcome Companions having unique, personal Specializations again.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Sept 25, 2018 20:51:57 GMT
You just undid your entire premise; if anyone can be a radical revolutionary, then Calpernia herself is irrelevant.
The Difference is that we already know her. But my point is still valid. It doesn´t matter if Bioware had Calpernia designed as elven male in DAI. But she is a female human mage. Maevaris is also a female human mage but biological she is/was a male. It would not be same as Calpernia. She already exists in the Series. New Ones need their time to be established in the Game.
Calpernia also need that but why should Bioware waste all existing Material about Calpernia? Also don´t forget Bioware like Calpernia. "According to Patrick Weekes, Calpernia quickly became a favorite of the writers due to her intriguing story and personality." Every Character has the potential to be interessing or bland. I would argue that two dwarven Companions from the Amgarrak DLC are most dull Companions
in the Series. But they are Dwarves they have to be awesome. You miss one very important Detail that defines Calpernia.
She was a former Slave. Maevaris came from a rich family like Dorian. I would argue that Doran and Maevaris have a lot more in common than Mae and Calpernia.
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