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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 9, 2018 4:21:46 GMT
It will be interesting to see - when all is said and done - how much (or if) the FPP decision costs them. Clearly some people aren't bothered by it in the slightest, some are just 'uncertain' and others still just adamantly against it (for varying reasons). I mentioned Kingdom Come Deliverance earlier and I'm still coming to grips with that, because it is quite an adjustment when every game you play is 3rd person/over the shoulder. And it's never the wrong thread to drink, reg.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 9, 2018 8:23:22 GMT
It will be interesting to see - when all is said and done - how much (or if) the FPP decision costs them. Clearly some people aren't bothered by it in the slightest, some are just 'uncertain' and others still just adamantly against it (for varying reasons). I mentioned Kingdom Come Deliverance earlier and I'm still coming to grips with that, because it is quite an adjustment when every game you play is 3rd person/over the shoulder. And it's never the wrong thread to drink, reg. I think Cyberpunk is going to be successful, but its going to be interesting to see how it does overall. Now if it doesn't do as well as lets say The Witcher 3, I am also interested in seeing how the community reacts towards that information or the lack of information that might be given by CDPR. If that happens I am looking forward to the pure two faced responses from the online community and how they will go about defending Cyberpunk and CDPR.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 9, 2018 17:04:20 GMT
Guys and gals, will you never learn? Stop pre-ordering games. I feel a little unwelcome poke at my anus everytime you do it.... Stop trying to fuck me and every other consumer out there by pre-paying for something potentially bad, because you get some stupid limited editions Furry Armor. Fucking pervs  No, really, stop pre-ordering. It's embarrassing that your memories are that short. No, sounds like a game that’s worthy of a pre order so far.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Nov 9, 2018 20:17:59 GMT
It will be interesting to see - when all is said and done - how much (or if) the FPP decision costs them. Clearly some people aren't bothered by it in the slightest, some are just 'uncertain' and others still just adamantly against it (for varying reasons). I mentioned Kingdom Come Deliverance earlier and I'm still coming to grips with that, because it is quite an adjustment when every game you play is 3rd person/over the shoulder. And it's never the wrong thread to drink, reg. I think Cyberpunk is going to be successful, but its going to be interesting to see how it does overall. Now if it doesn't do as well as lets say The Witcher 3, I am also interested in seeing how the community reacts towards that information or the lack of information that might be given by CDPR. If that happens I am looking forward to the pure two faced responses from the online community and how they will go about defending Cyberpunk and CDPR. On their forums at least, they were spared nothing for the fuck ups in TW3. Most of the hyperbole around that game came from the gaming press and newcomers. Long time fans were more discriminating.
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 10, 2018 1:23:26 GMT
The setting looks cool, but I put "maybe, depending on reviews." That first person POV is the problem for me. It always feels claustrophobic, like I'm navigating the world through a periscope. Take the same field of view and stick my character in the middle of it instead of behind it, and suddenly everything's dandy.
How hard is it to change the POV programming once the game is this far along, I wonder? Any chance we'll get lucky and they'll announce that third person will be available after all?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 10, 2018 1:55:00 GMT
The setting looks cool, but I put "maybe, depending on reviews." That first person POV is the problem for me. It always feels claustrophobic, like I'm navigating the world through a periscope. Take the same field of view and stick my character in the middle of it instead of behind it, and suddenly everything's dandy. How hard is it to change the POV programming once the game is this far along, I wonder? Any chance we'll get lucky and they'll announce that third person will be available after all? That would drastically change my opinion....but I think it's probably wishful thinking.
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Post by Tittus on Nov 10, 2018 1:56:28 GMT
How hard is it to change the POV programming once the game is this far along, I wonder? Any chance we'll get lucky and they'll announce that third person will be available after all? No chances at all. They already confirmed they won't make any changes in this regard, were sorry for any disappointment and are only researching solutions for those that get sick with it.
But I have a similar question. There are chances of multiplayer after release, and as I don't know shit about animation and programmation of games, I don't understand why those animations can't be used to do a TPP. I mean: we see in TPP the characters of other people else moving, and they're playing in FPP as well.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Nov 10, 2018 14:56:54 GMT
How hard is it to change the POV programming once the game is this far along, I wonder? Any chance we'll get lucky and they'll announce that third person will be available after all? not that hard. I don't know how lucky we'll get, but changing the camera view is easy peasy. Especially for a developer with the toolkit. If CDPR is taking the "artistic integrity/vision" theme that BioWare turned into a meme, that is too bad for them.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 11, 2018 18:22:05 GMT
How hard is it to change the POV programming once the game is this far along, I wonder? Any chance we'll get lucky and they'll announce that third person will be available after all? Not that hard I imagine, but there’s more to it than code. Camera style is baked into a lot of game design decisions, like for example larger interiors being needed to accommodate maneuvering the third person camera.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Nov 11, 2018 19:05:57 GMT
How hard is it to change the POV programming once the game is this far along, I wonder? Any chance we'll get lucky and they'll announce that third person will be available after all? Not that hard I imagine, but there’s more to it than code. Camera style is baked into a lot of game design decisions, like for example larger interiors being needed to accommodate maneuvering the third person camera. I think it would be a fairly massive undertaking, which is why you don't see many devs do both, let alone make games that have great versions of both. For starters, FP has none of the animations put in for TP. Right there, mo cap, move sets, hitboxes etc have to be implemented for melee. I'm sure traversal over the environment and obstacles is also very different between the two views. I wish they had the resources to do it but we're not talking Rockstar here who have 2000 + devs at their disposal.
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Post by fchopin on Nov 14, 2018 8:32:59 GMT
The game is first person so no preorder. i will wait for a few weeks after it comes out or maybe wait for modding possibilities.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 14, 2018 18:00:54 GMT
It will be interesting to see - when all is said and done - how much (or if) the FPP decision costs them. Clearly some people aren't bothered by it in the slightest, some are just 'uncertain' and others still just adamantly against it (for varying reasons). I mentioned Kingdom Come Deliverance earlier and I'm still coming to grips with that, because it is quite an adjustment when every game you play is 3rd person/over the shoulder. And it's never the wrong thread to drink, reg. There is a lot of people commenting on the perspective aspect. I, too, wonder how much of that is representative of the totalvaudiwnce.
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Post by kidgamer on Nov 15, 2018 6:11:54 GMT
Day 0, game is gonna be huge. Easily my most anticipated game in the last 5 years.
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Post by Serza on Nov 16, 2018 13:20:30 GMT
Hey, just a heads up, the more you hype it, the more likely it will not live up to your expectations.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 16, 2018 13:27:55 GMT
Hey, just a heads up, the more you hype it, the more likely it will not live up to your expectations. Yep, I learned that the hard way by letting the buildup for BioShock: Infinite influence me, the game was a letdown after all the hype Irrational caused around it by all the talking and not showing they did for that game. Its more accepted now that there were problems with the game, but talking bad about it near its launch would get you essays about how dumb you were about not seeing the true meaning behind the narrative and how awesome that ending was. It was also the first game I remember having the goals for pre-orders on Steam where they had four or five titles with a pre-order goal to get extra unlocks.
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Post by mousestalker on Nov 16, 2018 13:27:58 GMT
This is a game I very much want to like. But I will wait for the reviews and see what people say before buying. I just do not have the time and money for bad or unplayable games any more.
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Post by NotN7 on Nov 16, 2018 14:08:43 GMT
I'm on the fence since its kind of not the type of game I would play but given time I may play, definitely not going to preorder i'm going to give it six months or so till I decide.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 15:27:23 GMT
Hey, just a heads up, the more you hype it, the more likely it will not live up to your expectations. It can be just like Andromeda right?
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Post by slimgrin727 on Nov 16, 2018 17:14:10 GMT
Hey, just a heads up, the more you hype it, the more likely it will not live up to your expectations.
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Post by Serza on Nov 16, 2018 18:04:35 GMT
Hey, just a heads up, the more you hype it, the more likely it will not live up to your expectations. It can be just like Andromeda right?
To smaller extent...
We'll see if issues are blown out of proportion with CP2077 as well. Unfortunately, blowing things out of proportion is the new normal in this day and age.
Hey, just a heads up, the more you hype it, the more likely it will not live up to your expectations.
Careful now...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 23:19:56 GMT
It can be just like Andromeda right?
To smaller extent...
We'll see if issues are blown out of proportion with CP2077 as well. Unfortunately, blowing things out of proportion is the new normal in this day and age.
Careful now...
I wholeheartedly agree!
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 17, 2018 4:56:27 GMT
To smaller extent... We'll see if issues are blown out of proportion with CP2077 as well. Unfortunately, blowing things out of proportion is the new normal in this day and age.
Careful now...
I wholeheartedly agree! I also think that Cyberpunk will be opening CDPR to more criticism overall because in a lot of ways its like BioWare moving from ME3 to MEA where its a big shift in the game design for them and they already have a some people looking negatively towards the game for the decision to go first person. I wonder how big a controversy down the road they might wade into with their online take as well if they decide to implement it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 5:31:18 GMT
I also think that Cyberpunk will be opening CDPR to more criticism overall because in a lot of ways its like BioWare moving from ME3 to MEA where its a big shift in the game design for them and they already have a some people looking negatively towards the game for the decision to go first person. I wonder how big a controversy down the road they might wade into with their online take as well if they decide to implement it. The whole "1st vs 3rd person" thing is a non-issue with me. I play all my Bethesda games in 1st person and others like Mass Effect and The Witcher type games in 3rd person and enjoy both types. I feel that it's far from a controversy.
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Post by Serza on Nov 17, 2018 8:40:11 GMT
I also think that Cyberpunk will be opening CDPR to more criticism overall because in a lot of ways its like BioWare moving from ME3 to MEA where its a big shift in the game design for them and they already have a some people looking negatively towards the game for the decision to go first person. I wonder how big a controversy down the road they might wade into with their online take as well if they decide to implement it. The whole "1st vs 3rd person" thing is a non-issue with me. I play all my Bethesda games in 1st person and others like Mass Effect and The Witcher type games in 3rd person and enjoy both types. I feel that it's far from a controversy.
It would not be an issue for you and me, as we're used to going FP-only (or so I gather from that post) in games that offer both, and at least I prefer first person, but I don't think we represent the general market, much more in games where TP is largely a norm, with FP having fewer appearances overall.
Other than that, I rolled perception on that quote and I'm just not sure what I'm seeing.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 17, 2018 14:12:30 GMT
I like good games.
I think CD Project Red has earned enough good faith to justify a pre-order, so I'm in...
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