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Post by mydamnalterego on Mar 6, 2019 19:27:17 GMT
Picked "other new". Shepard is dead, Ryder is 600 years away. The very proposal is: 1. Male one is of Russian origin (the only way to make him normal, without too much SJW stuff involved). 2. Female one - let's say, one of Afro origin (from real Africa - from Kau, Masai, Wanderobo or Zulu ... or, maybe, some other tribe).
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Post by ahglock on Mar 6, 2019 19:28:26 GMT
As far as your judgement of Ryder goes: Ryder's changes to throughout the story. While it is true that Ryder veils his or her insecurity behind casual remarks at the beginning of the story, Ryder does earn the respect of others and changes greatly in tone throughout the story. That is why I am somewhat frustrated with this constant criticism of Ryder, that judges the character only by the initial situation and fails to recognise that there is a development.
I've played the game multiple times and tried different conversation options, can't say for every conversation ive done every option but its close. And no, he does not grow that much. He has the assertiveness of a kid at the beginning maturing all the way to teen by the end. He earns their respect because the game says so. I saw nothing in his character to indicate why.
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Post by feuerrabe on Mar 6, 2019 21:07:49 GMT
Well, I suppose that's another point on which we will remain disagreeing.
However, this does suggest giving players different characters with a different tone. This, of course, will be expensive.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 6, 2019 21:37:26 GMT
As far as your judgement of Ryder goes: Ryder's changes to throughout the story. While it is true that Ryder veils his or her insecurity behind casual remarks at the beginning of the story, Ryder does earn the respect of others and changes greatly in tone throughout the story. That is why I am somewhat frustrated with this constant criticism of Ryder, that judges the character only by the initial situation and fails to recognise that there is a development.
I've played the game multiple times and tried different conversation options, can't say for every conversation ive done every option but its close. And no, he does not grow that much. He has the assertiveness of a kid at the beginning maturing all the way to teen by the end. He earns their respect because the game says so. I saw nothing in his character to indicate why. I dont agree. He/ She clearly grows by even the middle of the game. Ryder is young and it shows in the beginning but by the end he/she is a true leader.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 7, 2019 1:28:51 GMT
Meanwhile, you're the one being insulting to people. I like Ryder and not cry to mods about anything. If that was the case to be made, you've now lost.
It's clear to me that BW was intentionally distancing itself from the MET. Whatever happened in the MW, humanity (and other races) get a fresh start. That's why the tone was lighter. It boggles the mind that it isn't overwhelmingly obvious. You don't like it? Oh, well.
Not only me that didn't like it, I'd say Was it somewhere in my post that other people didn't like it? I'm well aware that a lot of people don't like it. I'm a regular poster here. My only point was that your correlation between those who like Ryder and those who complain to mods about whatever has no merit.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 7, 2019 1:45:21 GMT
1. Male one is of Russian origin (the only way to make him normal, without too much SJW stuff involved). Oh, so the new protagonist is a spy?
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Post by feuerrabe on Mar 7, 2019 9:26:34 GMT
I've played the game multiple times and tried different conversation options, can't say for every conversation ive done every option but its close. And no, he does not grow that much. He has the assertiveness of a kid at the beginning maturing all the way to teen by the end. He earns their respect because the game says so. I saw nothing in his character to indicate why. I dont agree. He/ She clearly grows by even the middle of the game. Ryder is young and it shows in the beginning but by the end he/she is a true leader. Indeed. A very good example of this is the debrief in Tann's office after you acquired the map from the archon. You are suggesting to go for Meridian. The scene ends with a little triumph for Ryder, of course, as the other pathfinders show up and side with Ryder after the Nexus leadership rejected the idea as too risky.
However, I was pretty proud of my Ryder even before then; she held her ground. When Tann questions her choice to save the Krogans rather than Salarians, I chose the emotional answer, thus she does show compassion, after all the loss of the Salarians, and particularly the Salarian pathfinder does touch Ryder, but does not apologise for the choice she had made and it was a solid return. Throughout the rest of the discussion I preferred the logical explanations as Ryder made the case for going after Meridian. The attitude that Ryder displays there has nothing to do with the Ryder in the beginning of the game.
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Post by mydamnalterego on Mar 7, 2019 12:27:38 GMT
1. Male one is of Russian origin (the only way to make him normal, without too much SJW stuff involved). Oh, so the new protagonist is a spy? Spy? Rather a representative of one of Earth's subfactions - say, some sort of Slavic Confederation (all Slavic nations together) or, fuck knows, Shanghai pact (Russia-China-India):-))
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 7, 2019 16:36:34 GMT
Oh, so the new protagonist is a spy? Spy? Rather a representative of one of Earth's subfactions - say, some sort of Slavic Confederation (all Slavic nations together) or, fuck knows, Shanghai pact (Russia-China-India):-)) That was political commentary...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 7, 2019 16:53:22 GMT
Picked "other new". Shepard is dead, Ryder is 600 years away. The very proposal is: 1. Male one is of Russian origin (the only way to make him normal, without too much SJW stuff involved). 2. Female one - let's say, one of Afro origin (from real Africa - from Kau, Masai, Wanderobo or Zulu ... or, maybe, some other tribe). Out of curiosity, what do you mean by "without too much SJW stuff involved"?
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Post by feuerrabe on Mar 7, 2019 20:12:34 GMT
Picked "other new". Shepard is dead, Ryder is 600 years away. The very proposal is: 1. Male one is of Russian origin (the only way to make him normal, without too much SJW stuff involved). 2. Female one - let's say, one of Afro origin (from real Africa - from Kau, Masai, Wanderobo or Zulu ... or, maybe, some other tribe). When it comes to human characters, I don't see why there would be so much constraint on ethnic group. Now a Russian male character is not a problem, not every citizen of Russia is ethnic Russian (i.e. belongs to the east slavic group). He might as well be ethnic Korean, particularly if the character is from Vladivostok, or he might come from one of the indigenous peoples in Russia. Still, Mass Effect is pretty popular in the US, and likely has a lot of Afro-American fans. Black gamers will want black characters, regardless of the nationality... not sure whether there are that many black people in Russia.
As for the female character. Nah. I would be fine with saying she's from Cape Town, as that would still allow for pretty much any ethnic origin.
Jennifer Hale is able to fake a South African accent, she did with Chuchi in The Clone Wars*, however convincing it was I can't say, of course... well, let's not go down that road. (Be warned, she uses a higher pitched voice than when she's doing FemShep, the point is the accent, not the pitch, however.)
However, I think it's a good idea to leave the exact origin within the same boundaries as Mass Effect. Earth-Born, Spacer, Colonist. Where on Earth doesn't really matter. Whether to give the protagonist a different accent in the English version of the game is a different matter.
*Examples:
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 8, 2019 2:14:18 GMT
I would love shepard if they make it in the milky way universe. That is likely since it will sell very well despite the fact people will complain and bioware will want to play it safe. If in andromeda universe though I want a different character then ryder. And they need a better VA for the main character. Fem shep had a great one and male shep was good two but both ryders sucked. They had no emotion to me.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 8, 2019 15:17:30 GMT
I think your opinion and mine of what constitutes emotion are very different. I heard inflection in Ryder's voice. I heard it in Shepard's voice. If a criticism had to be made it would be against FemShep because, to me, she sounded like she was talking through her teeth. It was very odd.
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 8, 2019 17:57:34 GMT
Whatever uniform you wear. You can fight like a Krogan, run like a leopard. But you'll never be better than Commander Shepard
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 8, 2019 18:19:01 GMT
Whatever uniform you wear. You can fight like a Krogan, run like a leopard. But you'll never be better than Commander Shepard I prefer Ryder over Shepard easily. So yes they are better.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 8, 2019 18:21:04 GMT
I prefer Ryder over Shepard easily. So yes they are better. I prefer Shepard over Ryder easily. So yes, Shepard is much better
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Post by feuerrabe on Mar 8, 2019 20:41:19 GMT
At the current stage of discussion I might throw in that the truly most sophisticated player character ever was Duke Nukem.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 13, 2019 22:36:19 GMT
At the current stage of discussion I might throw in that the truly most sophisticated player character ever was Duke Nukem. I never played the new one but the old one I did. Somehow the strip club doesn't close down in an alien invasion. That game was nothing but class. It was fun though.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 13, 2019 22:38:15 GMT
I think your opinion and mine of what constitutes emotion are very different. I heard inflection in Ryder's voice. I heard it in Shepard's voice. If a criticism had to be made it would be against FemShep because, to me, she sounded like she was talking through her teeth. It was very odd. WHAT!? Fem shep was the best V.A. for a main character in any bioware game. You could really feel the emotion and...sorry I feel a little strongly on this
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 13, 2019 22:42:52 GMT
Whatever uniform you wear. You can fight like a Krogan, run like a leopard. But you'll never be better than Commander Shepard I prefer Ryder over Shepard easily. So yes they are better. Unlike alot of people I liked ryder. I am still ticked they didn't at least give us the quarian ark dlc. However in my opinion shep is better. Of course in my opinion shepard is one of the best main character bioware has made and probably in the top five of any game and I think alot of people would disagree with me on that. In the end who someone likes or dislikes is a personal taste. It's why I avoid telling someone that they are wrong about the character they like and usually say "in my opinion"
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Post by ahglock on Mar 13, 2019 22:44:20 GMT
I think your opinion and mine of what constitutes emotion are very different. I heard inflection in Ryder's voice. I heard it in Shepard's voice. If a criticism had to be made it would be against FemShep because, to me, she sounded like she was talking through her teeth. It was very odd. WHAT!? Fem shep was the best V.A. for a main character in any bioware game. You could really feel the emotion and...sorry I feel a little strongly on this Your feelings betray you.
Male Shep was just better, his tone and voice pattern portrayed the story of a soldier being thrust into command, and evolving as he leaves the alliance for Cerberus and is finally trying to be more of a leader to unite the galaxy. The both have certain lines that don't hit or really hit, but Male Sheps restrained emotion in ME1 to a more open emotion in Me3 fit the character better IMO.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 13, 2019 22:45:23 GMT
Whatever uniform you wear. You can fight like a Krogan, run like a leopard. But you'll never be better than Commander Shepard To be fair ryder didn't get garrus as a squadmate. That's a serious disadvantage for anyone since garrus could even make jacob interesting by standing next to him
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 13, 2019 22:47:11 GMT
WHAT!? Fem shep was the best V.A. for a main character in any bioware game. You could really feel the emotion and...sorry I feel a little strongly on this Your feelings betray you.
Male Shep was just better, his tone and voice pattern portrayed the story of a soldier being thrust into command, and evolving as he leaves the alliance for Cerberus and is finally trying to be more of a leader to unite the galaxy. The both have certain lines that don't hit or really hit, but Male Sheps restrained emotion in ME1 to a more open emotion in Me3 fit the character better IMO.
I agree that ME3 male shep voice was much better then he was in ME1. However to me fem shep felt more real and I could feel the emotion in it.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 14, 2019 0:48:36 GMT
Whatever uniform you wear. You can fight like a Krogan, run like a leopard. But you'll never be better than Commander Shepard To be fair ryder didn't get garrus as a squadmate. That's a serious disadvantage for anyone since garrus could even make jacob interesting by standing next to him They even tried to make an uninteresting female version of Garrus, but it just didn't work. To be fair with Ryder, you can't really be interesting when your crisis dealer is a complete idiot, your second in command can't speak 2 words without 3 being asari and your other squadmate is a poor attempt at being Garrus, but only talks about her sister
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 14, 2019 20:26:02 GMT
1. Male one is of Russian origin (the only way to make him normal, without too much SJW stuff involved). Oh, so the new protagonist is a spy? Or a hacker that sells credit card information on the dark extranet.
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