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Post by The Elder King on Dec 10, 2018 21:32:56 GMT
Seeing pictures of bearded inquisitors (and that qunari one is one of the best looking one, quality wise), makes me really wishing they improved a lot on that department. That qunari beard honestly looks like dirt, but it's the only qunari beard that isn't super bushy and disgusting (not that bushy big beards are disgusting but the way they are modeled in the game is disgusting) but at least adds some facial scruff. So yeah you're right, they better fix their damn beards. Some really basic styles are completely missing. And it doesn't help that Andromeda was even WORSE when it comes to beards. I should’ve been clear that with ‘best’ I meant more acceptable compared to the rest. I agree completely on the styles, but the same goes for hairstyles. It’s really strange how they go for extravagant one without considering normal ones, but the problem goes deeper, because fuller beards (not necessarily long, but all ogni them that aren’t stubbles) looks really bad quality wise (which in turns make playing dwarves also hard, though not as the elves, to play, since I usually play those with long beards.). Andromeda was stuck in a troubled development and the CC in general took a lots of steps back compared to DAI. Hopefully on the next one we won’t have problems. Expecially considering the time when the game will be released. It’ll be at least half a decade since DAI, probably more. There needs to be a serious upgrade.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 10, 2018 21:41:29 GMT
Speaking of beards..... can we pls get fancy braided beards (esp for dwarves) back? Sloppy hair textures aside, DAI's beards were just kinda... there... and there weren't really elaborate options. Like this!! Also I do appreciate DAI's decision to give lady dorfs optional stubble.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 10, 2018 21:42:38 GMT
I really need dreadlocks for DA4. I just recently discovered a mod that gives '' dreadlocks '' for male elves and it looks really nice. Thankfully the modding community saved my Inquisitors from the hair disaster that is DA:I.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 10, 2018 21:49:04 GMT
I really need dreadlocks for DA4. I just recently discovered a mod that gives '' dreadlocks '' for male elves and it looks really nice. Thankfully the modding community saved my Inquisitors from the hair disaster that is DA:I. YES. I always wanted dreads for one of my Wardens but I had to give him cornrows instead 'cause that's the closest there was. I would love to see more dreads, braids, etc.
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Post by 10k on Dec 10, 2018 22:42:37 GMT
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Post by Artemis on Dec 11, 2018 1:55:35 GMT
I really need dreadlocks for DA4. I just recently discovered a mod that gives '' dreadlocks '' for male elves and it looks really nice. Thankfully the modding community saved my Inquisitors from the hair disaster that is DA:I. Oh yeah modders are the only reason I played the game after my first couple playthroughs.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 11, 2018 3:05:50 GMT
I really need dreadlocks for DA4. I just recently discovered a mod that gives '' dreadlocks '' for male elves and it looks really nice. Thankfully the modding community saved my Inquisitors from the hair disaster that is DA:I. Oh yeah modders are the only reason I played the game after my first couple playthroughs. I vote that the new PC be just a single, giant dreadlock.
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Post by talyn82 on Dec 11, 2018 3:05:56 GMT
I never finished Inquisition so I don't know what happens to the Inquisitor. Saying that I chose the second option.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 11, 2018 3:37:39 GMT
You know what, It was only the PC elves that had this problem. Sera body looked fairly healthy compared to the female PC. And Solas well... LOOK AT THE QUADS ON THIS BOI!!!I at the very least want Solas body (That sounds weird), and amor types for the elves to resembles his. I guess the Ancient Elves believed that just because you can sleep for several millennia, that's still no excuse to skip leg day.
What did he do, work out in his sleep? I need fan art of this!
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Post by Artemis on Dec 11, 2018 7:46:20 GMT
You know what, It was only the PC elves that had this problem. Sera body looked fairly healthy compared to the female PC. And Solas well... LOOK AT THE QUADS ON THIS BOI!!!I at the very least want Solas body (That sounds weird), and amor types for the elves to resembles his. I guess the Ancient Elves believed that just because you can sleep for several millennia, that's still no excuse to skip leg day.
What did he do, work out in his sleep? I need fan art of this!
Sera has the human female body model. Solas's body model is unique. The PC and all other elven NPCs share the same model. Hence why this mod is a must... www.nexusmods.com/dragonageinquisition/mods/605
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Post by jjdxb on Dec 11, 2018 9:15:45 GMT
Sera had a human female body iirc. I'd say there was also a stylistic choice in presenting modern elves as waiflike compared to Solas and the other ancient elves; it could be interpreted as a visual metaphor of how far the elves have fallen since Elvhenan collapsed. To that extent I believe that the same trend (ancient elves buffer and less stick like than our potential elf!PC) should continue in DA:4. Maybe fix the shoulders and arms tho. Well I hope they don't continue with the stick figure body for elves, especially a dalish elf. A person who runs, hike, and hunt for a living wouldn't have a body of of a stick with no muscle definition. These elves are on the move 24/7, it doesn't make any sense. A lot of there original concept art as well showed elves with muscle mass. Not as much as a human, but muscle nonetheless. The game gave us elves with no muscle mass at all. I'd like to imagine my dalish elf inquisitor was a hunter before becoming herold. But I'm definitely going human next game if they keep up this emaciated child look. Origins did well with the elves. I was excited for the elven PC for Inquisition, but it failed. They should have some muscle definition yes, but real life hunter gatherers (which the Dalish were) don't really have what I think you're looking for. The best example for BW to follow are the remaining hunter gatherers left, most particularly the San people and certain Amazonian tribes.
Example:
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2018 13:29:06 GMT
Bioware didn’t go towards that body type because of the dalish, because all elves are affected and there are plenty that aren’t dalish.
Also, just by looking at those screenshots posted, the dalish are on a more advanced level then them, so it’s not exactly a fit comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 13:57:45 GMT
It's interesting to see how elves have changed throughout the series. I like aspects of each of the designs, but none of them have felt "right". DA:O - I liked that they were visually appealing, but they were way too much like humans in my opinion. Some of the hairstyles completely covered the ears and you wouldn't even know that the character was an elf (they just looked like a slightly shorter human). I mean, look at Iona. There are absolutely no indications that she's an elf and I think that's a major dropped ball. DA2 - I really liked that they tried to make the elves unique and different from the other races. I think they skewed a bit too far in that respect. They looked like aliens. Partly I think the game's design aesthetic was more cartoony in general, but elves suddenly were unattractive and odd looking. The odd noses. The huge eyes. The reindeer like ears. I get what they were going for, but they lacked subtlety in their execution. Plus, why were both Merrill and Fenris shoeless? That drove me nuts. Maybe I could understand Merrill (although not really because the rest of the Dalish wear boots, right?). But Fenris? Why is he running around without boots on? I would love to do a redesign on him where he's a little bulkier, wears armor, and wears boots. But I digress. DA:I - I think they cut the different with faces and I actually liked where they landed. While I don't find either Sera or Solas particularly attractive, I think they split the difference enough to make them different from humans but not cartoonishly so. The major issue, as indicated in this thread, is around the bodies. Particularly the male elf body. They made them so freakishly waif-ish that they looked malformed. Also, come to think of it, are there any major female elf characters in the game? Outside of Sera (who has a human body - do we know why they did this by the way?) and Briala, I can't think of any. I can't think of anything wrong with the female elf design, per se. But the male elf needs a rehaul on the body. Bulk it up just a bit (wider shoulders, arms that have a little meat to them) and I feel like they will have found the right balance.
Of course, all of that being said, I probably wouldn't pick an elf to be my protagonist anyway. They are probably my least favorite race (or maybe tied with humans?), so unless it was only humans and elves as PCs, I wouldn't actually consider playing as one.
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Post by 10k on Dec 11, 2018 14:26:12 GMT
They should have some muscle definition yes, but real life hunter gatherers (which the Dalish were) don't really have what I think you're looking for. The best example for BW to follow are the remaining hunter gatherers left, most particularly the San people and certain Amazonian tribes. It's funny how you only pick images from tribes who do persistence hunting. You can tell this is true by how skinny they are and by the long spear and small bows the guys are holding in the picture. Dalish don't do persistence hunting so they wouldn't be that skinny.They are strictly bowmen living in a forest not savanna, that's why they have long bows and not spears. This is a tribe that do not participate in persistence hunting, they are mostly longbowmen and use short spears. Pure muscles because they are not doing cardio all day. EDIT: you can also see this phenomenon with olympic runners. Sprinters are more bulkier than cross country or marathon runners. It's basic science.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 16:17:10 GMT
Here's a pic of the adults of that tribe (Enawene Nawe) in the 4th pic.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Dec 11, 2018 16:21:26 GMT
I guess it's cock season or something because, boy, I sure wasn't expecting to see it here, but at the same time...bsn going to bsn.
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Post by 10k on Dec 11, 2018 16:26:10 GMT
I guess it's cock season or something because, boy, I sure wasn't expecting to see it here, but at the same time...bsn going to bsn. They are tribesmen, it's human anatomy growup. If that's the first thing you think of seeing these men well that's you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 16:28:26 GMT
I guess it's cock season or something because, boy, I sure wasn't expecting to see it here, but at the same time...bsn going to bsn.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2018 16:38:48 GMT
I guess it's cock season or something because, boy, I sure wasn't expecting to see it here, but at the same time...bsn going to bsn. They are tribesmen, it's human anatomy growup. If that's the first thing you think of seeing these men well that's you. I am pretty sure that goes against site rules of posting nudity however.
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Post by 10k on Dec 11, 2018 16:44:26 GMT
Image has been fixed, no more man genitals
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Post by llandwynwyn on Dec 11, 2018 17:00:51 GMT
I guess it's cock season or something because, boy, I sure wasn't expecting to see it here, but at the same time...bsn going to bsn. They are tribesmen, it's human anatomy growup. If that's the first thing you think of seeing these men well that's you. I'm pretty sure this a sfw board, but anyway
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Post by 10k on Dec 11, 2018 17:20:03 GMT
They are tribesmen, it's human anatomy growup. If that's the first thing you think of seeing these men well that's you. I'm pretty sure this a sfw board, but anyway
that picture is sfw. There is nothing inappropriate about it. It a picture of tribesmen standing for a picture. All nudity isn't bad, it's sexual nudity that crosses into NSFW status.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Dec 11, 2018 17:44:58 GMT
I'm pretty sure this a sfw board, but anyway
that picture is sfw. There is nothing inappropriate about it. It a picture of tribesmen standing for a picture. All nudity isn't bad, it's sexual nudity that crosses into NSFW status. You do realize NSFW includes simply nudity sometimes, right? It doesn't matter if it's anthropology or checking Netter's anatomy for phimosis, some places don't care.
Anyway, you guys are exaggerating what was nothing. Go back to discuss muscle definition from native tribes. ffs
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Post by 10k on Dec 11, 2018 17:47:27 GMT
that picture is sfw. There is nothing inappropriate about it. It a picture of tribesmen standing for a picture. All nudity isn't bad, it's sexual nudity that crosses into NSFW status. You do realize NSFW includes simply nudity sometimes, right? It doesn't matter if it's anthropology or checking Netter's anatomy for phimosis, some places don't care.
Anyway, you guys are exaggerating what was nothing. Go back to discuss muscle definition from native tribes. ffs
Operative word here. Like I said the first time, all nudity isn't bad.
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